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robroy72 said:

The biggest part of this problem is when you get people yapping their mouths who do not know what they are talking about.  Most people have no real clue how the technological processes are setup for these systems to work and for proper security to be in place.  "Oh just have Apple make a program to get into the device" -- shows how little these government lawyers at the Justice Department and politicians (Trump, Obama & most in DC) know how this stuff works.  

In turn you have other incompetent staff at San Bernardino County that have no clue on how to properly manage iOS devices in an enterprise environment.  

And to think -- some people want more government in our lives and "caring" for us!

bugsnw said:

I think if this was another company, people would think it prudent to help unlock phones on a court-ordered by court-ordered basis. The odds of this technology getting out are quite low. Both sides make a great case. I just lean slightly towards national security on this one. Even with an encryption key safeguarded by the govt./FBI, I would feel like my data was safe from prying eyes. We don't have all that much privacy out in the wild as it is. It's part of the give and take of rights vs. safety.

Maybe for the millennials.  I grew up in the 80s under this grand propaganda scheme that said America was this shining light of freedom and rule of law with inviolable civil liberties, and it was willing to plunge the world into a nuclear holocaust in order to protect those rights.  Now I realize it was all just a show.  If capitalism is totalitarian, why put up with it?  At least communism tasks the state with providing for all. We have to live in poverty and unemployment AND we have to give up our political rights?  If government is to be big brother, then shouldn't we demand to be treated like family?  Liberty was the ostensible reason America's values were worth fighting for.  Without that, what's left but national chauvinism?

G. Ned C. said:

I have everything I could find on this subject this week in trying to decide how I feel about it. It is a very difficult issue for me. I can clearly see both sides. We all want to know where domestic terrorists might strike next, and we all want to insure that our phones and associated cloud storage are secure from would-be hackers. At least for now, I side with Apple. I don't want to slide down that slippery slope, at least in this instance. I think it highly unlikely that they will find anything useful on this guy's work phone, after having destroyed their personal phones and removed/destroyed the hard drive in their computer. Maybe in a different situation, but let's not go there quite yet.

Then what's to prevent you from falling for fascist ploys to erode democratic rights? All they have to do is scare you and you're fine with a police state?

dogman said:

Where was the NSA on this? Weren't they listening in on the terrorists conversations?