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@DanielEran ;: The "Jesus" joke is played out and has been unfunny... for years now. It's not about being dumbed down, it's that it was already dumb.

Maybe it's funny for the uninitiated - like 7 year olds with no contact with anyone Hispanic.

Holy crap dude, please read what you yourself wrote. Do you really think that I think that 70% of 10-19 year olds are 16?

You: "According to the U.S. Census Bureau estimates, there were 41,731,233 youth age 10-19 in the United States in 2015. "

I unbolded the 19 and bolded the 10.

Teens are not 10. Nor are they 11, nor 12. So unless you proclaim that there are 0 10-12 year olds in the United States of America, your numbers are not just questionable, they are proven 100% wrong by the exact source that you quote. My 29M estimate is assuming an even distribution of 10-19 year olds into each age, and removing 30% (there are 3 years of 10-19 year olds that are not teens, and 10 years of age in that same group: 3/10=30%) of that number from your 41M. That is 29M. Is it exact? No, but I guarantee it's between 28 and 30.

Second: There are a reported 101M active iPhones in the US according to Consumer Intelligence Research Partners:
http://files.ctctcdn.com/150f9af2201/14c7ae08-3800-4083-9528-7ed752432545.pdf

The CIRP is talking estimates, which takes current numbers based on actual existing information, while your source uses the term "forecast". In the realm of population estimates and projections, this term (forecast) explicitly means they are talking about the future, which are less reliable than estimates, all else being equal.
Of course, who knows which has better models, but one should always take estimates as more accurate than forecasts.
Ever checked the population 5 years from a census year? The projections created are less reliable than estimates taken, even when just compared to a year ahead of the estimate. I should know, I used to create them.

While they don't explain their criteria very well, I would like to look at your numbers. Their average age of respondent is 16. Avg household income was 66,000 (62k was avg home with children) so it seems fairly representative.

Your numbers are the ones that are suspect.
It's interesting that you describe teenagers as 10-19 years of age.
http://www.actforyouth.net/adolescence/demographics/
So the actual number is somewhere around 29 million, which means 21M iPhones are used by teens.

And according to this very website:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/11/19/of-101m-iphones-now-in-us-installed-base-62-are-iphone-6-models-with-apple-pay-support
the installed base is 101M, so that is about 80M used by adults.

So, yeah, I can believe that.

ps: they have done this 33 times, so I would be willing to bet they have the statistical sampling down pretty well.

rotateleftbyte said:

And accoerding to marlet surveys in other parts of the world Apple's share of the phone market tanked and is less that 10%

All I know is that one of the two shops of the two biggest UK carriers is wall to wall Samsung at the moment. It has gone over 100% to the S8/S8+ promo.
The other one was like that last week but this week they are actually having an iPhone 7 promo but it is still dwarfed by the S8 promotion.
The biggest UK MNVO is still 100% Samsung.

Where I live finding iPhones (apart from PAWN Shops) on retail sale is hard.
Samsung is spending really big money promoting their stuff.
Google/Pixel is nowhere. Sold out or back ordered.
Sony? Well if you ask nicely you can get one.

Curry's/PC-World has gone off Apple phones in a big way yet they are advertising MacBook Pro's on TV.

The rest of the world is very different to the USA. Those who control the Apple stock price seemingly can't see beyond the USA.
If Apple were to compete a bit more outsode the USA then...?????
 

How is this different than any launch of a new phone? Of course it's dwarfed by the brand new shiny thing. When the next iPhone is out, the S8 will scarcely be seen.

I saw that this morning, but didn't use any of it today. It will be handy to switch directly from music to maps, which is what I tend to do the most of, and screennames is right - maps is only there if I actively have navigation going.

I have variations of times for loading up as well, along with some issues of the car not recognizing the phone at all sometimes, where it will attempt to connect, then give up and try to connect again, ad infinitum. That's annoying because I can't stop it and just let my phone charge. I definitely think it is the car's problem, as some other issues with it the vehicle connect occur on occasion. I have a 2016 VW Jetta