Apple CEO Tim Cook, other tech leaders call on North Carolina to repeal anti-LGBT law

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  • Reply 101 of 109
    londorlondor Posts: 258member
    See you just keep on showing your total lack of reading comprehension. I don't find funny the act, I find funny your idea that every male who has decided to have a circumcision is insane.
  • Reply 102 of 109
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    londor said:
    I find funny your idea that every male who has decided to have a circumcision is insane.
    So have an actual argument. Explain how self-mutilation is not mental illness.
  • Reply 103 of 109
    londorlondor Posts: 258member
    Self-mutilation can be a sign of mental illness or not. You just need to study each individual case to get to a particular conclusion. Blanket statements like the ones you make lead to false notions like "every man who decides to have a circumcision is insane".
  • Reply 104 of 109
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    londor said:
    Self-mutilation can be a sign of mental illness or not.
    Give examples of instances of self-mutilation that are not mental illness.
  • Reply 105 of 109
    londorlondor Posts: 258member
    Reading comprehension problems again? As I said it all the depends on each individual case but I'd say in most cases of circumcision. removing diseased organs or limbs, donating organs, SRS to correct gender dysphoria, other instances like the one portrayed in the movie "127 hours", etc. self-mutilation is not a sign of mental illness.
  • Reply 106 of 109
    xbitxbit Posts: 390member
    londor said:
    Self-mutilation can be a sign of mental illness or not.
    Give examples of instances of self-mutilation that are not mental illness.
    I don't think you can call surgery performed by trained specialists 'self-mulitation'. 

    Comestic surgery seems very popular in the states. Why are you going after just one sub-group so much?
    londor
  • Reply 107 of 109
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    londor said:
    As I said it all the depends on each individual case...
    So give them. I mean, there has to be at least a single legal case in the past in which it was ruled otherwise.
    ...most cases of circumcision...
    I fail to see how. Again, circumcision causes permanent damage to neurological state and is the removal of healthy tissue. Infants have no choice and thus that is not self-mutilation, but adults certainly have the capacity to choose.
    ...removing diseased organs or limbs...
    Not healthy tissue, thus not mutilation.
    ...donating organs...
    Live organ transplants are still self-mutilation, despite any altruistic desire behind them, because it’s healthy tissue being cut on/out.
    ...SRS to correct gender dysphoria...
    Definitionally mental illness, as has been shown. Definitionally self-mutilation, as it is the removal of healthy tissue. 
    other instances like the one portrayed in the movie “127 hours”
    Not healthy tissue, thus not mutilation.
    Self-mutilation is not a sign of mental illness.
    Definitionally is.

    Remember, mutilation is:
    Medical: deprivation of a limb or essential part, especially by excision
    Legal: 
    The depriving a man of the use of any of those limbs which may be useful to him in fight, the loss of which amounts to mayhem. However, where mayhem does not apply, the definition of ‘limb’ refers to crippling or mutilating extremities in any way, or to inflict any injury which deprives a person of the use of said limb.
    Associated terms include ‘maim’, which medically refers to a serious wound that permanently deprives of physical (the surgery undergone by thread topic) or mental (add to for circumcision, at the very least) capacity.

    “Self” doesn’t mean that you yourself do it, but rather that you engage in the decision to do it. Lacking coercion, threat, etc. 

    And to associate mutilation with mental illness:
    Medical: any of a broad range of medical conditions marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, or emotions to impair normal psychological functioning and cause... ...disability and that are typically associated with a disruption in normal thinking, feeling, mood, behavior, interpersonal interactions, or daily functioning.
    Legal: A disorder of the mind that causes a noticeable deficiency.

    “A disorder of the mind that causes a noticeable deficiency.” Transsexualism, as proven, is a disorder of the mind. This disorder causes the individual to feel deficient, as well as to desire and/or carry out actions which result in causing a PHYSICAL deficiency unto himself–the removal of healthy tissue. “Himself”, in this context, being the proper use of an antecedent of common gender, as outlined in the Century Collegiate Handbook, not to imply that only males suffer from the mental illness of transsexuality.

    Back to your original statement, taken in a wider context. If the act of self-mutilation in general (the act of rendering oneself physically unfit or underfit, causing damage to the community in which the person resides by definition of this unfitness’ effect on production, efficiency, and defense capability) is “not” mental illness, then only “situationally” would be, for example, the act of cutting on oneself a sign of poor health. The corollary to this statement, then, is that cutting yourself is, sometimes, healthy. Which is abject nonsense.

    Back to surgery. It is a violation of the hippocratic oath to ‘do harm’, defined in this context as the removal of healthy tissue. A superfluous gall bladder removal, for example, brings criminal charges against the doctor. The same is not true–in some countries–of tranny mutilation due exclusively to death threats against the relevant overseeing bodies. Not due to logic, data, or reason.

    In before jet23 tries to claim I “failed” for having the audacity to repeat a word’s definition.
    edited April 2016
  • Reply 108 of 109
    singularitysingularity Posts: 1,328member
    http://brucespringsteen.net/

    A statement from Bruce Springsteen on North Carolina

     

    As you, my fans, know I’m scheduled to play in Greensboro, North Carolina this Sunday. As we also know, North Carolina has just passed HB2, which the media are referring to as the “bathroom” law. HB2 — known officially as the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act — dictates which bathrooms transgender people are permitted to use. Just as important, the law also attacks the rights of LGBT citizens to sue when their human rights are violated in the workplace. No other group of North Carolinians faces such a burden. To my mind, it’s an attempt by people who cannot stand the progress our country has made in recognizing the human rights of all of our citizens to overturn that progress. Right now, there are many groups, businesses, and individuals in North Carolina working to oppose and overcome these negative developments. Taking all of this into account, I feel that this is a time for me and the band to show solidarity for those freedom fighters. As a result, and with deepest apologies to our dedicated fans in Greensboro, we have canceled our show scheduled for Sunday, April 10th. Some things are more important than a rock show and this fight against prejudice and bigotry — which is happening as I write — is one of them. It is the strongest means I have for raising my voice in opposition to those who continue to push us backwards instead of forwards.

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