hey i was in boston this weekend and the fine arts museum used macs at the help desk. has nothing to do with this article but whatever, i thought it was interesting
Hats of to Apple for getting involved in a little bit of urban regeneration to enhance the area for everyone. It's a good thing.
I dunno. I don't call yet another "Best Buy, Gap, Pier 1 Imports, Pottery Barn, Express, Ethan Allen, Crate & Barrel, and Whole Foods" invasion anything to be proud of. Lord no. What happened to trying to make your city or town better without making it just like everyone else?
I dunno. I don't call yet another "Best Buy, Gap, Pier 1 Imports, Pottery Barn, Express, Ethan Allen, Crate & Barrel, and Whole Foods" invasion anything to be proud of. Lord no. What happened to trying to make your city or town better without making it just like everyone else?
Steppenwolf Theatre is around the corner, and there are several locally-owned restaurants and shops nearby. So I take your point about chain stores, but come on ... people with no knowledge of this neighborhood need to stop being so judgmental about it.
Those people in the White House won because those in Congress were effective at shifting the blame of the failed attempt of their socialized sub-prime housing onto the outgoing administration which didn't defend itself.
Yes Greenspan created the real estate bubble for speculation and economic improvement, but the sub-prime mess of Freddie and Fannie was the Congress's fault. Congress makes up 2/3 of the power of our government. So essentially when that 2/3 shifted parties, all hell broke loose.
Greenspan taking over the corrupt, highly over leveraged, government run mortgage buyers Freddie and Fannie is proof of that.
Real estate bubbles happen and collapse eventually, but taking the sub-prime and the economy down with it wasn't part of the plan.
Banks and lending institutions that practiced the three C's; Credit, Collateral and Character. Are doing fine today.
Anyway what does this have to do about the topic?, it's economy and that effects what is going on with Apple and people's spending habits.
Apple is opening lot of fancy stores, in high priced locations to a market that might be disappearing here shortly.
It might not be the end of Mac's, Apple could always start selling Mac's with Windows 7 instead of OS X.
It's got it's toe in the water with Bootcamp, taking the temperature. Just like OS X being able to run on Intel processors was planned years in advance.
I cannot help it. I have to inform you that you sound mentally ill.
1) Umm, "socialized sub-prime housing"? Are you also a birther? It was capitalists that went too far with their greed that brought the economy where it is today. Capitalism is a great framework, but when people let their greed run rampant poor bets are made. It's a complicated topic and so there is room for some speculation, but you sound like a nut-job.
2) Umm, "It might not be the end of Mac's, Apple could always start selling Mac's with Windows 7 instead of OS X." Please. You're predicting the end of Apple, while 'reality' is seeing Apple at the top of their game--I'll trust 'reality'. Again--you sound like a nut-job.
NEWSFLASH!! Not to be outdone, Microsoft is rumored to be in talks with the CTA for renovating another rapid transit stop adjacent to a future Microsoft Store in Chicago. Microsoft vigorously denied that the station will be renamed "End of The Line."
Why would they name a subway station anything other than the name of the street it intersects? Are they intentionally trying to confuse the passengers?
And why can't the Chicago subway system renovate it's own station?
Why do socialists always capitalize on successful capitalists? Like leaches or something.
Raise the subway fee's a little, renovate the station and rent out space. Be self sustaining or at least make a little profit on it's own merits, not on the backs of companies who will just pass those costs onto guess who?
US. Yes US.
I'm now paying for renovations to a Chicago subway station that I will never use.
Chicago's failure isn't our problem and we shouldn't be paying for it through higher costs for our computers.
And to boot Apple has to still pay for advertising which it should be getting for free for the 4 million.
Well that's one less Apple product I will buy now to make up for it.
What goes around comes around.
Also flashy areas are just places people go to forget how bad the economy is and think they are wealthy. The Apple Stores are filled with lots of people looking, but not buying. That's why the prices have been lowered recently.
The real wealthy types don't need or bother with computers (with their headaches and all) and there are not enough of them spending enough to make it worthwhile catering to their small market. If they use one it's only one computer just like most everyone else.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - Margret Thatcher
all the station ads are in bright klieg light glossy windows
so apple can sell 3 million more glossy screen glass computers
all those not buying are staring at there reflections
I cannot help it. I have to inform you that you sound mentally ill.
1) Umm, "socialized sub-prime housing"? Are you also a birther? It was capitalists that went too far with their greed that brought the economy where it is today. Capitalism is a great framework, but when people let their greed run rampant poor bets are made. It's a complicated topic and so there is room for some speculation, but you sound like a nut-job.
2) Umm, "It might not be the end of Mac's, Apple could always start selling Mac's with Windows 7 instead of OS X." Please. You're predicting the end of Apple, while 'reality' is seeing Apple at the top of their game--I'll trust 'reality'. Again--you sound like a nut-job.
But the bigger picture is that turning government activities into profit centers has been a disaster across the board. The insistence on making everything from postal service to prisons to wars corporate profit centers has been an economic an social fiasco, adding billions of profit skimming part of what should be support of commons that benefit everyone.
This is not socialism. I really don't care if Apple is paying whatever amount they pay to be in that spot. They're a private business and as such, I'm sure their bean counters ran the numbers and decided that they could still make a profit.
What I would add is that turning government activities into profit centers is not a problem at all. The problem is that government monopolizes certain segments of industry (think postal service, defense, arbitration, public safety (COUGH)) and disallows any free market competition. Even without competition, they are not able to turn a profit, which makes sense because it has never worked in the history of the human race.
Government should either stick to defense, which means only using force if someone comes here and tries hurting us - none of this preemptive war garbage or having troops in Korea and Europe for decades on end - and possibly law enforcement of a a few very basic laws that are simple to understand by everyone. OR, and I like this idea better, why even have that cancerous parasitical class anyway?
What I would add is that turning government activities into profit centers is not a problem at all. The problem is that government monopolizes certain segments of industry (think postal service, defense, arbitration, public safety (COUGH)) and disallows any free market competition.
Where does the government disallow free market competition? You can mail your packages with UPS, buy bottled water, do research at a private library or hire private security for your gated community. Rather than an evil monopoly, I see most government services as an unsexy, practical way to get things done ... some so much so that we take them for granted (e.g., interstate highways, 911 service) ... and in cases like medical research and, let's see, THE INTERNET, the government provided a launching pad for private industries.
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Originally Posted by kaisdaddy
Government should either stick to defense, which means only using force if someone comes here and tries hurting us - none of this preemptive war garbage or having troops in Korea and Europe for decades on end - and possibly law enforcement of a a few very basic laws that are simple to understand by everyone.
These libertarian descriptions of utopia always sound like a third-world country to me. Government services are limited to military force and there are no public resources, parks, schools, food and drug safety, etc. The economy is in the tank because there's no structure for business development, and natural resources are exploited by an elite minority. Is there a place on earth where a minimalist government has led to a better standard of living, or is this just a fantasy?
I think this is really terrific on Apple's part and I wish other companies would do the same. While subway cars in New York City are relatively nice, subway stations are incredibly disgusting, even the so-called renovated ones. The craftsmanship is so poor that the day they complete a renovation, the station looks like it needs to be renovated again.
Since private companies could not possibly operate in New York without the mass transit system, which averages over 5 million rides on the subway alone (not including buses) and over 2 million on weekends, my personal belief is that each company larger than x size in New York should adopt and renovate a station, as Apple seems to be doing in Chicago.
At any rate, I'm surprised by some of the negativity. This is a win-win. The CTA gets the costs paid for a station renovation without having to be funded by bonds or taxpayers and Apple gets a nicer environment for their store. And in addition, the locals get a small park. Even if the station carries some Apple branding or advertising, I think it's well worth the tradeoff. You know that the part of the renovation that Apple has control over is going to be gorgeous, perhaps a model for future renovations of stations.
Can you imagine a nationwide effort where large corporations compete to see who can renovate subway stations and the like with the coolest design?
By the way, why Chicago ? Any link with any president ?
Yes, that must be it. It couldn't possibly be that one of the largest metro areas in the region, not to mention the nation, is not entirely served by the Michigan Avenue store smack downtown, nor by the halo of smaller stores out in the 'burbs. It can't possibly be that among the neighborhoods in Chicago, Lincoln Park is a bleedingly obvious address for an Apple Store. How absurd to believe that Apple might want to locate its stores near their customers!
No, it must involve the President somehow. Self-interest is illusion. Only conspiracies are real. If you can see the fnord, it can't hurt you.
Please. Is it really so shocking that a company might actually want more than one store address in Chicago proper?
These libertarian descriptions of utopia always sound like a third-world country to me. Government services are limited to military force and there are no public resources, parks, schools, food and drug safety, etc. The economy is in the tank because there's no structure for business development, and natural resources are exploited by an elite minority. Is there a place on earth where a minimalist government has led to a better standard of living, or is this just a fantasy?
I'll probably get 'beat down' for replying to an off-topic post with my own off-topic reply, but...
Like any philosophy, Libertarianism describes a somewhat idealized environment which would naturally result from ideal conditions. Interestingly, the ideals described by Libertarianism are now more popular than they have ever been and this is in part due to the Internet and the self-government attitude endemic to users (whether they realize it or not). It's also due in part to the collapsing dollar and economy, and a struggle between Democrats and Republicans to assert their version of where they think "we" should be going as a country and both falling horribly short. The ever growing attempt to control the lives and decision-making of Americans, either under the guise of "security for all, freedom for none" Conservatism, or "we know better than you, so sit down, shut up and pay up" Liberalism will result in both failing because they are both outdated, centralized solutions to the open communication and transparency the Net has given us.
The fact is, Libertarianism is what happens when your government no longer has all the answers and you're smart enough to realize it.
Zoetmb, I agree with everything you have written below. It works as long as you like the product and can tolerate the advertisements. This of course sets a dangerous precedent. Could you imagine a Microsoft, a Coke, McDonald's, or <insert company name here> subway or bus station. Imagine every piece of government property permanently littered with ads.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
I think this is really terrific on Apple's part and I wish other companies would do the same. While subway cars in New York City are relatively nice, subway stations are incredibly disgusting, even the so-called renovated ones. The craftsmanship is so poor that the day they complete a renovation, the station looks like it needs to be renovated again.
Since private companies could not possibly operate in New York without the mass transit system, which averages over 5 million rides on the subway alone (not including buses) and over 2 million on weekends, my personal belief is that each company larger than x size in New York should adopt and renovate a station, as Apple seems to be doing in Chicago.
At any rate, I'm surprised by some of the negativity. This is a win-win. The CTA gets the costs paid for a station renovation without having to be funded by bonds or taxpayers and Apple gets a nicer environment for their store. And in addition, the locals get a small park. Even if the station carries some Apple branding or advertising, I think it's well worth the tradeoff. You know that the part of the renovation that Apple has control over is going to be gorgeous, perhaps a model for future renovations of stations.
Can you imagine a nationwide effort where large corporations compete to see who can renovate subway stations and the like with the coolest design?
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hey i was in boston this weekend and the fine arts museum used macs at the help desk. has nothing to do with this article but whatever, i thought it was interesting
Why- because boston is usually so bone backwards?
Hats of to Apple for getting involved in a little bit of urban regeneration to enhance the area for everyone. It's a good thing.
I dunno. I don't call yet another "Best Buy, Gap, Pier 1 Imports, Pottery Barn, Express, Ethan Allen, Crate & Barrel, and Whole Foods" invasion anything to be proud of. Lord no. What happened to trying to make your city or town better without making it just like everyone else?
I dunno. I don't call yet another "Best Buy, Gap, Pier 1 Imports, Pottery Barn, Express, Ethan Allen, Crate & Barrel, and Whole Foods" invasion anything to be proud of. Lord no. What happened to trying to make your city or town better without making it just like everyone else?
Steppenwolf Theatre is around the corner, and there are several locally-owned restaurants and shops nearby. So I take your point about chain stores, but come on ... people with no knowledge of this neighborhood need to stop being so judgmental about it.
Those people in the White House won because those in Congress were effective at shifting the blame of the failed attempt of their socialized sub-prime housing onto the outgoing administration which didn't defend itself.
Yes Greenspan created the real estate bubble for speculation and economic improvement, but the sub-prime mess of Freddie and Fannie was the Congress's fault. Congress makes up 2/3 of the power of our government. So essentially when that 2/3 shifted parties, all hell broke loose.
Greenspan taking over the corrupt, highly over leveraged, government run mortgage buyers Freddie and Fannie is proof of that.
Real estate bubbles happen and collapse eventually, but taking the sub-prime and the economy down with it wasn't part of the plan.
Banks and lending institutions that practiced the three C's; Credit, Collateral and Character. Are doing fine today.
Anyway what does this have to do about the topic?, it's economy and that effects what is going on with Apple and people's spending habits.
Apple is opening lot of fancy stores, in high priced locations to a market that might be disappearing here shortly.
It might not be the end of Mac's, Apple could always start selling Mac's with Windows 7 instead of OS X.
It's got it's toe in the water with Bootcamp, taking the temperature. Just like OS X being able to run on Intel processors was planned years in advance.
I cannot help it. I have to inform you that you sound mentally ill.
1) Umm, "socialized sub-prime housing"? Are you also a birther? It was capitalists that went too far with their greed that brought the economy where it is today. Capitalism is a great framework, but when people let their greed run rampant poor bets are made. It's a complicated topic and so there is room for some speculation, but you sound like a nut-job.
2) Umm, "It might not be the end of Mac's, Apple could always start selling Mac's with Windows 7 instead of OS X." Please. You're predicting the end of Apple, while 'reality' is seeing Apple at the top of their game--I'll trust 'reality'. Again--you sound like a nut-job.
Why would they name a subway station anything other than the name of the street it intersects? Are they intentionally trying to confuse the passengers?
stop making sence
I understand MS is renovating and renaming the adjacent men's room for their store.
i was i a real f--img shit mood
now my side;s are splitting
great zinger
And why can't the Chicago subway system renovate it's own station?
Why do socialists always capitalize on successful capitalists? Like leaches or something.
Raise the subway fee's a little, renovate the station and rent out space. Be self sustaining or at least make a little profit on it's own merits, not on the backs of companies who will just pass those costs onto guess who?
US. Yes US.
I'm now paying for renovations to a Chicago subway station that I will never use.
Chicago's failure isn't our problem and we shouldn't be paying for it through higher costs for our computers.
And to boot Apple has to still pay for advertising which it should be getting for free for the 4 million.
Well that's one less Apple product I will buy now to make up for it.
What goes around comes around.
Also flashy areas are just places people go to forget how bad the economy is and think they are wealthy. The Apple Stores are filled with lots of people looking, but not buying. That's why the prices have been lowered recently.
The real wealthy types don't need or bother with computers (with their headaches and all) and there are not enough of them spending enough to make it worthwhile catering to their small market. If they use one it's only one computer just like most everyone else.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - Margret Thatcher
all the station ads are in bright klieg light glossy windows
so apple can sell 3 million more glossy screen glass computers
all those not buying are staring at there reflections
in the glossy displays
the subway will be named glossy square
I cannot help it. I have to inform you that you sound mentally ill.
1) Umm, "socialized sub-prime housing"? Are you also a birther? It was capitalists that went too far with their greed that brought the economy where it is today. Capitalism is a great framework, but when people let their greed run rampant poor bets are made. It's a complicated topic and so there is room for some speculation, but you sound like a nut-job.
2) Umm, "It might not be the end of Mac's, Apple could always start selling Mac's with Windows 7 instead of OS X." Please. You're predicting the end of Apple, while 'reality' is seeing Apple at the top of their game--I'll trust 'reality'. Again--you sound like a nut-job.
3million macs
8 million iphones
millions more touchs
34 million nano phones
he is a nut job
sadly we all are
iClyborn
inorth
But the bigger picture is that turning government activities into profit centers has been a disaster across the board. The insistence on making everything from postal service to prisons to wars corporate profit centers has been an economic an social fiasco, adding billions of profit skimming part of what should be support of commons that benefit everyone.
This is not socialism. I really don't care if Apple is paying whatever amount they pay to be in that spot. They're a private business and as such, I'm sure their bean counters ran the numbers and decided that they could still make a profit.
What I would add is that turning government activities into profit centers is not a problem at all. The problem is that government monopolizes certain segments of industry (think postal service, defense, arbitration, public safety (COUGH)) and disallows any free market competition. Even without competition, they are not able to turn a profit, which makes sense because it has never worked in the history of the human race.
Government should either stick to defense, which means only using force if someone comes here and tries hurting us - none of this preemptive war garbage or having troops in Korea and Europe for decades on end - and possibly law enforcement of a a few very basic laws that are simple to understand by everyone. OR, and I like this idea better, why even have that cancerous parasitical class anyway?
What I would add is that turning government activities into profit centers is not a problem at all. The problem is that government monopolizes certain segments of industry (think postal service, defense, arbitration, public safety (COUGH)) and disallows any free market competition.
Where does the government disallow free market competition? You can mail your packages with UPS, buy bottled water, do research at a private library or hire private security for your gated community. Rather than an evil monopoly, I see most government services as an unsexy, practical way to get things done ... some so much so that we take them for granted (e.g., interstate highways, 911 service) ... and in cases like medical research and, let's see, THE INTERNET, the government provided a launching pad for private industries.
Government should either stick to defense, which means only using force if someone comes here and tries hurting us - none of this preemptive war garbage or having troops in Korea and Europe for decades on end - and possibly law enforcement of a a few very basic laws that are simple to understand by everyone.
These libertarian descriptions of utopia always sound like a third-world country to me. Government services are limited to military force and there are no public resources, parks, schools, food and drug safety, etc. The economy is in the tank because there's no structure for business development, and natural resources are exploited by an elite minority. Is there a place on earth where a minimalist government has led to a better standard of living, or is this just a fantasy?
Since private companies could not possibly operate in New York without the mass transit system, which averages over 5 million rides on the subway alone (not including buses) and over 2 million on weekends, my personal belief is that each company larger than x size in New York should adopt and renovate a station, as Apple seems to be doing in Chicago.
At any rate, I'm surprised by some of the negativity. This is a win-win. The CTA gets the costs paid for a station renovation without having to be funded by bonds or taxpayers and Apple gets a nicer environment for their store. And in addition, the locals get a small park. Even if the station carries some Apple branding or advertising, I think it's well worth the tradeoff. You know that the part of the renovation that Apple has control over is going to be gorgeous, perhaps a model for future renovations of stations.
Can you imagine a nationwide effort where large corporations compete to see who can renovate subway stations and the like with the coolest design?
By the way, why Chicago ? Any link with any president ?
Yes, that must be it. It couldn't possibly be that one of the largest metro areas in the region, not to mention the nation, is not entirely served by the Michigan Avenue store smack downtown, nor by the halo of smaller stores out in the 'burbs. It can't possibly be that among the neighborhoods in Chicago, Lincoln Park is a bleedingly obvious address for an Apple Store. How absurd to believe that Apple might want to locate its stores near their customers!
No, it must involve the President somehow. Self-interest is illusion. Only conspiracies are real. If you can see the fnord, it can't hurt you.
Please. Is it really so shocking that a company might actually want more than one store address in Chicago proper?
I think this is really terrific on Apple's part and I wish other companies would do the same. ...
At any rate, I'm surprised by some of the negativity. This is a win-win. ...
Can you imagine a nationwide effort where large corporations compete to see who can renovate subway stations and the like with the coolest design?
Very good points and ideas.
And regarding "negativity", it might be more appropriately directed at the contrasting corporate behavior of this Apple competitor.
You don't use Macs, you have stated that you hate them, and you continue to dis everything Apple related. So why the hell are you here?
Because stupid people reply to him?
The ignore features fatal flaw is it doesn't block people who fall for the bait and reply to his ilk
Because stupid people reply to him?
The ignore features fatal flaw is it doesn't block people who fall for the bait and reply to his ilk
I hear that!
These libertarian descriptions of utopia always sound like a third-world country to me. Government services are limited to military force and there are no public resources, parks, schools, food and drug safety, etc. The economy is in the tank because there's no structure for business development, and natural resources are exploited by an elite minority. Is there a place on earth where a minimalist government has led to a better standard of living, or is this just a fantasy?
I'll probably get 'beat down' for replying to an off-topic post with my own off-topic reply, but...
Like any philosophy, Libertarianism describes a somewhat idealized environment which would naturally result from ideal conditions. Interestingly, the ideals described by Libertarianism are now more popular than they have ever been and this is in part due to the Internet and the self-government attitude endemic to users (whether they realize it or not). It's also due in part to the collapsing dollar and economy, and a struggle between Democrats and Republicans to assert their version of where they think "we" should be going as a country and both falling horribly short. The ever growing attempt to control the lives and decision-making of Americans, either under the guise of "security for all, freedom for none" Conservatism, or "we know better than you, so sit down, shut up and pay up" Liberalism will result in both failing because they are both outdated, centralized solutions to the open communication and transparency the Net has given us.
The fact is, Libertarianism is what happens when your government no longer has all the answers and you're smart enough to realize it.
I think this is really terrific on Apple's part and I wish other companies would do the same. While subway cars in New York City are relatively nice, subway stations are incredibly disgusting, even the so-called renovated ones. The craftsmanship is so poor that the day they complete a renovation, the station looks like it needs to be renovated again.
Since private companies could not possibly operate in New York without the mass transit system, which averages over 5 million rides on the subway alone (not including buses) and over 2 million on weekends, my personal belief is that each company larger than x size in New York should adopt and renovate a station, as Apple seems to be doing in Chicago.
At any rate, I'm surprised by some of the negativity. This is a win-win. The CTA gets the costs paid for a station renovation without having to be funded by bonds or taxpayers and Apple gets a nicer environment for their store. And in addition, the locals get a small park. Even if the station carries some Apple branding or advertising, I think it's well worth the tradeoff. You know that the part of the renovation that Apple has control over is going to be gorgeous, perhaps a model for future renovations of stations.
Can you imagine a nationwide effort where large corporations compete to see who can renovate subway stations and the like with the coolest design?
Apple is really smart to pick this location for 2 reasons:
1. It's a very high traffic location. The area is figuratively exploding with customers.
2. It's right next to CB2, Crate & Barrel's urban store, which has the same young, hip, design-conscious demographic as Apple.