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Although it's no secret that members of Microsoft's leadership frown upon employees who choose an Apple iPhone over one running the company's own Windows Mobile operating system, approximately 1 in 10 still veer towards the forbidden fruit and sometimes go to great lengths to conceal them on the job.

In a lengthy profile on the perils of being an iPhone user at Microsoft, The Wall Street Journal cites two people familiar with the matter in saying that nearly 10,000 iPhone users were regularly accessing the Microsoft employee email system last year, representing roughly 10% of the company's global headcount.

The trend at Microsoft has flourished in the face of chief executive Steve Ballmer, who has a long track record of making inflammatory remarks about the Apple handset and expressing his displeasure with staffers who use one. Perhaps the most infamous example of this came last September during a private company meeting when he caught an employee using an iPhone to snap a photo of his entrance.

Ballmer grabbed the iPhone from the employee, made some remarks as the crowd booed, then placed it on the ground and pretended to stomp on it before walking away. During his ensuing presentation, the Microsoft chief again turned his attention to the employee with a few more teasing remarks.

In yet another sign that Microsoft was determined to curb iPhone adoption amongst its own kind, the Journal notes that the company "in early 2009 modified its corporate cellphone policy to only reimburse service fees for employees using phones that run on Windows Phone software." The Redmond, Wash.-based software giant would later claim the move was "part of a broader cost-cutting plan."

Still, many employees are unwilling to sacrifice their iPhone and regularly adopt measures to hide their handsets when in the presence of the company's top brass, according to the Journal. "While rank-and-file workers tend to use the iPhone openly around peers, some conceal them within sight of more senior executives.," the paper reports. "One Microsoft worker said he knows several colleagues who try to disguise their iPhones with cases that make them look more like generic handsets."

Ballmer laughs off the iPhone in 2007.

"Maybe once a year I'm in a meeting with Steve Ballmer," that employee said. "It doesn't matter who's calling, I'm not answering my phone."
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Thats interesting.
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Rounding error.
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It's a business expense for the WinMo7 team.
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You don't work at Pepsi and bring a Coke back from lunch. No matter who is watching.
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Sometimes wonder if Ballmer isn't an iPhone user himself, but is still in the closet. We know he gave at least one presentation using a MacBook Pro...

 

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You don't work at Pepsi and bring a Coke back from lunch. No matter who is watching.

But without the cans nobody would know Not so easy with an iPhone, no matter what can you put it in ...
post #9 of 69
Hopefully this will encourage Microsoft to make their offering more competitive. I'm sure that the vast majority of Microsoft employees would use a Windows Phone if it was anywhere near on par with the iPhone.
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Surely the easiest way for MS to stop their employees using iPhones would be for MS to build a better phone that those same employees would actually want, no?
post #11 of 69
As a shareholder of both AAPL and MSFT, I'm a bit torn about how I should feel about this.

However, since my holdings of AAPL greatly outstrip my MSFT investment, I guess I should encourage Microsoft employees to keep buying iPhones.

Thanks guys!
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When Steve Jobs said they were about 5 years ahead of the competition - I'd say he was just about right. By the time the new Windows phone ships, Apple will be on to version 4. If you look at the current Windows Mobile offering today - you can surely see why many of their employees are using the iPhone. Maybe that will change with Windows Phone 7.
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I bet there's a bit of a market for a Zune-like case.

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You don't work at Pepsi and bring a Coke back from lunch. No matter who is watching.

Chug it on the way back and leave the container in the car.

I knew a guy that liked classic Fords and worked for GM. The only restriction for him was that if he wasn't parking a GM vehicle, he had to park it on the farthest parking lot.
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How many Apple employees have Windows PC's or use Windows on a Mac?

How many Apple employees family members use PC's at work or at school?
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But without the cans nobody would know Not so easy with an iPhone, no matter what can you put it in ...

The ringtone is the worse give away. Here in NYC everyone seems to use the old phone ringtone. Whenever I'm in a crowded place everyone grabs their iPhone when they hear it.
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How many Apple employees have Windows PC's or use Windows on a Mac?

How many Apple employees family members use PC's at work or at school?

And: how many of those Apple employees LIKE the Windows experience anywhere near as much as the Mac experience, or find it anywhere near as productive and hassle-free?

Vs. how may of the Microsoft employees LIKE the iPhone experience anywhere near as much (dare I say better?) than the Windows Mobile experience?

In other words, how many Microsoft and Apple people use the competitors products by CHOICE vs. regrettable necessity?
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Surely the easiest way for MS to stop their employees using iPhones would be for MS to build a better phone that those same employees would actually want, no?

Damn, what a concept!
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Although it's no secret that members of Microsoft's leadership frown upon employees who choose an Apple iPhone over one running the company's own Windows Mobile operating system, approximately 1 in 10 still veer towards the forbidden fruit and sometimes go to great lengths to conceal them on the job.

So why is it still an issue? You get MS technology buying a WinMo phone. But you get an MS OS, plus some third party hardware.

With the iPhone you get Third part y hardware and perhaps a small amount of licensed MS technology, but to be honest the *reason* I bought an iPhone has almost 100% to do with that piece of MS technology. MS ActiveSync technology allows Google to provide me my iPhone email/calendar/contacts syncing.

Why aren't they pointing that out...it's a win both parties in my mind.

Without that key piece in place I'd be forced to buy a RIM/Blackberry device.
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If it's so important for Microsoft's employees to use Windows Mobile phones, buy 'em the damned phones!
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If it's so important for Microsoft's employees to use Windows Mobile phones, buy 'em the damned phones!

You do know that they have tried giving them away - right?
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You don't work at Pepsi and bring a Coke back from lunch. No matter who is watching.

I agree - I love Apple. I have a brand new MBP. But I don't have an iPod or an iPhone[AT&T-abomination]. But just b/c Apple is awesome, doesn't mean that good business practices should be pushed aside. You don't work for Yahoo and use Google search at work. You don't work for GM and drive a Honda to work...there was a recent story about a GM plant about to close and one of the workers driving a Honda to work. One day he came out and his car was demolished. Is that wrong? Yes. Should he have been smarter? Of course.
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As a shareholder of both AAPL and MSFT, I'm a bit torn about how I should feel about this.

However, since my holdings of AAPL greatly outstrip my MSFT investment, I guess I should encourage Microsoft employees to keep buying iPhones.

Thanks guys!

You probably started with the same amount in each stock five or more years ago:

post #23 of 69
"I like our strategy. I like it a lot."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXq9NTjEdTo
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"Familiar with the matter"

Oh so Microsoft IT has come out and said they have 10k people using an iPhone? That's almost as believable as Boeing using Android instead of BlackBerry...let's be real here lol.
post #25 of 69
...what percentage have iPods vs. Zunes...

Nah, they ALL have Zunes, to be sure.
post #26 of 69
With Windows Phone Series 7 might give those employees a good reason to eat their own dog food. It seems to be a sweet mobile OS taking cues from the iPhone and Android in what works and what doesn't.

I can't wait till RIM intros their new OS 5. That should be good too. All these improvements to mobile phone OSes is due to Apple.
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We just won't tell Bill G or Steve B, will we?
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Sometimes wonder if Ballmer isn't an iPhone user himself, but is still in the closet. We know he gave at least one presentation using a MacBook Pro...

err you are not talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5S6hhGP8PE

signing a MBP presentation?

Or was there another occassion?
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"Familiar with the matter"

Oh so Microsoft IT has come out and said they have 10k people using an iPhone? That's almost as believable as Boeing using Android instead of BlackBerry...let's be real here lol.

WTH does Boeing have to do with Android or Blackberry?

In any event, which company hands out BBs to rank-and-file employees?
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I like our strategy ... I like it a lot.

Translation: Let's copy Apple and tell everyone we're great innovators.
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I agree - I love Apple. I have a brand new MBP. But I don't have an iPod or an iPhone[AT&T-abomination]. But just b/c Apple is awesome, doesn't mean that good business practices should be pushed aside. You don't work for Yahoo and use Google search at work. You don't work for GM and drive a Honda to work...there was a recent story about a GM plant about to close and one of the workers driving a Honda to work. One day he came out and his car was demolished. Is that wrong? Yes. Should he have been smarter? Of course.

So his GM was in the shop, again, so he drove his wife's Honda to work and they turned it into scrap -- just a guess!
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I agree - I love Apple. I have a brand new MBP. But I don't have an iPod or an iPhone[AT&T-abomination]. But just b/c Apple is awesome, doesn't mean that good business practices should be pushed aside. You don't work for Yahoo and use Google search at work. You don't work for GM and drive a Honda to work...there was a recent story about a GM plant about to close and one of the workers driving a Honda to work. One day he came out and his car was demolished. Is that wrong? Yes. Should he have been smarter? Of course.

I know! Let's play blame the victim! That's better than asking tough questions about the quality of the company and employees as a whole. It's the vandals that are the dumbasses, they're the criminals, making the employees look like they're willing to do some crime rather than ask themselves why GM couldn't sell enough cars. The blame for that falls on much of the entire organization, from the top to the janitor being paid $70 an hour in pay and benefits.
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This report is actually true. A friend of mine at Microsoft told me over a year ago that Microsoft had about 8000 iPhone users back then. That being said, he told me a couple weeks ago that he was looking forward to getting his first Windows 7 Phone series beta device soon.
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I agree - I love Apple. I have a brand new MBP. But I don't have an iPod or an iPhone[AT&T-abomination]. But just b/c Apple is awesome, doesn't mean that good business practices should be pushed aside. You don't work for Yahoo and use Google search at work. You don't work for GM and drive a Honda to work...there was a recent story about a GM plant about to close and one of the workers driving a Honda to work. One day he came out and his car was demolished. Is that wrong? Yes. Should he have been smarter? Of course.

Are you really this stupid? Employers can't require employees to buy their products. Many people who work for an automobile company drive drive another brand to work.
post #35 of 69
I'm not surprised. A couple of my buddies who work at Microsoft use their iPhones religiously. Recently, some started to get the Android-based smartphones.

With MS Exchange support natively on the iPhone, I'm sure MS gets money from each iPhone sales, right?
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Are you really this stupid? Employers can't require employees to buy their products. Many people who work for an automobile company drive drive another brand to work.

particularly when they work for toyota!
post #37 of 69
How many employees working at MS and would that 10% include only US or Worldwide?

Googled number of employees... According to official SEC documents, Microsoft employed 89,809 workers worldwide, as of May 31, 2008. So 10% is close to 9000 MS workers using iPhones... At least some smart people working for MS!

Wonder what the percentage how many former MS employees are using iPhone? 100%

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I agree - I love Apple. I have a brand new MBP. But I don't have an iPod or an iPhone[AT&T-abomination]. But just b/c Apple is awesome, doesn't mean that good business practices should be pushed aside. You don't work for Yahoo and use Google search at work. You don't work for GM and drive a Honda to work...there was a recent story about a GM plant about to close and one of the workers driving a Honda to work. One day he came out and his car was demolished. Is that wrong? Yes. Should he have been smarter? Of course.

There's a sign outside a local auto assembly plant:

"Vehicles not built by the UAW are not welcome here."

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I know! Let's play blame the victim! That's better than asking tough questions about the quality of the company and employees as a whole. It's the vandals that are the dumbasses, they're the criminals, making the employees look like they're willing to do some crime rather than ask themselves why GM couldn't sell enough cars. The blame for that falls on much of the entire organization, from the top to the janitor being paid $70 an hour in pay and benefits.

You've never been on the ugly side of a union, have you? The woes are because the workers weren't paid enough, even ask them.
post #39 of 69
the IT douche at my job just "upgraded" us to Exchange 2007 and everyone with a windows phone can no longer get push email. When asked to fix it, his response is "it works on my iphone" with a smiley face.

Yeah, I don't think he's going to be around long.
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We just won't tell Bill G or Steve B, will we?

Bill G was one of the first people to buy a Mac, so I don't see how they can really complain.

 

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