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Apple on Thursday began selling the iPad through the two largest wireless carriers in the U.S. -- Verizon and AT&T -- as retail expansion of the touchscreen tablet before the holidays continues.

The Oct. 28 launch was announced earlier this month, and both companies will sell the product in their brick-and-mortar retail stores starting today. AT&T will sell all three iPad Wi-Fi + 3G models at their standard pricing, while Verizon will sell the iPad with Wi-Fi and a MiFi 2200 Intelligent Mobile Hotspot router at the same price.

AT&T will offer data plans at $14.99 for 250MB per month, and $25 per month for 2GB of data with no term contract. Those plans also include unlimited access to AT&T's more than 23,000 domestic Wi-Fi Hot Spots. The iPads sell for $629 for 16GB, $729 for 32GB, and $829 for 64GB.

On Verizon, iPad customers will be able to buy 1GB of data for $20 per month, 3GB for $35, or a $50-per-month plan that gets 5GB of data. Unlike the iPad AT&T will sell, Verizon's iPad does not have built-in 3G and will require use of the MiFi mobile router for non-Wi-Fi Internet connections.

The iPad's availability at AT&T was expected, as the company has been the exclusive wireless carrier of the iPhone in the U.S. since Apple's handset launched in 2007. But the deal with Verizon came as a surprise, as the largest wireless carrier in the U.S. has been rumored to partner with Apple for the iPhone for years, but a deal has never come to be.

Verizon's sale of the iPad for the holiday season has helped to fuel rumors that the carrier will begin offering a CDMA version of the iPhone compatible with its network starting in early 2011.



Apple had quickly expanded the retail presence of the iPad in time for the holidays. On Oct. 15, the device went on sale at Walmart, while Target and Amazon started their sales on Oct 3.. Best Buy expanded sales to all of their retail stores on Sept. 26.
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the Verizon offering is a waste of time. My first iPad was of course the WiFi model and i thought i could use the MyFi to have internet all the time....
Well, the problem is that when the WiFi ipad sleeps, it sleeps the WiFi signal. Not so with the 3G model that i have now. the 3G is always on. just like the iPhone.

the ipad wifi with a Verizon MyFi is a waste of money.... imho
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did hell just freeze over?
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did hell just freeze over?

No, but it came damn near close.
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Oh all of a sudden Verizon wants to embrace Apple products!! Guess they realize who is king now.
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the Verizon offering is a waste of time. My first iPad was of course the WiFi model and i thought i could use the MyFi to have internet all the time....
Well, the problem is that when the WiFi ipad sleeps, it sleeps the WiFi signal. Not so with the 3G model that i have now. the 3G is always on. just like the iPhone.

the ipad wifi with a Verizon MyFi is a waste of money.... imho

I absolutely agree. I pre-ordered the iPAd 3G knowing these issues would occur. Verizon is just trying to be in the loop as soon as it can. Wifi Wifi-Only buyers are 'mostly' uninformed or technically lame. I say that because they are unware of the sheer benefits of the Wifi+3g models

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the Verizon offering is a waste of time. My first iPad was of course the WiFi model and i thought i could use the MyFi to have internet all the time....
Well, the problem is that when the WiFi ipad sleeps, it sleeps the WiFi signal. Not so with the 3G model that i have now. the 3G is always on. just like the iPhone.

the ipad wifi with a Verizon MyFi is a waste of money.... imho

"Oh, no! I actually have to use my iPad to see my new e-mails! Oh, wait, I couldn't actually read them without turning it on, thus activating Wi-Fi anyway."

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This is beginning to sound like the fragmentation Jobs talked about.
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"oh, no! I actually have to use my ipad to see my new e-mails! Oh, wait, i couldn't actually read them without turning it on, thus activating wi-fi anyway."

+1

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Wifi Wifi-Only buyers are 'mostly' uninformed or technically lame. I say that because they are unware of the sheer benefits of the Wifi+3g models

I want to play this game, too...

ATT 3G iPad owners are mostly foolish and unaware of the limitations of their device. They have to repurchase a 3G modem with every device they buy and pay for separate data plans for each of them. Talk about a waste of money! They must be unaware of the possibilities for using a MiFi device and a single contract to get your iPad, iPad touch, your laptop, as well as any of your friend's or other family member's devices online by sharing your access point. And when they upgrade their iPad, they need to AGAIN pay extra for a 3G modem since they can't keep the one built into their old 3G iPad.

This is a fun game!
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"Oh, no! I actually have to use my iPad to see my new e-mails! Oh, wait, I couldn't actually read them without turning it on, thus activating Wi-Fi anyway."

that would be a useful comment IF the iPad only read emails.....

what about a program i use called IM+?
what about a program i use called PocketTunes?

you must be justifying your WiFi only purchase....
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that would be a useful comment IF the iPad only read emails.....

what about a program i use called IM+?
what about a program i use called PocketTunes?

you must be justifying your WiFi only purchase....

Do those even work when your iPad is locked?

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Do those even work when your iPad is locked?

only on my iPad 3G, not on my WiFi iPad with a MyFi sitting right next to it.

I have all those stupid toys and as a owner / user of all of them, the iPad 3G is an ALWAYS connected device. just like my iPhones.
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Verizon has set free the iPad from it's mobile broadband captors. Free at last, free at last. Okay Verizon don't disappoint your fans with knucklehead decisions like ATT made okay!
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I absolutely agree. I pre-ordered the iPAd 3G knowing these issues would occur. Verizon is just trying to be in the loop as soon as it can. Wifi Wifi-Only buyers are 'mostly' uninformed or technically lame. I say that because they are unware of the sheer benefits of the Wifi+3g models

That's odd, my iPad still gets email and other network related alerts/data while it is locked and sleeping, so I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
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Hmmm.....I"ve got $629 to purchase an iPad. What to do?....

Verizon:
  • Wifi only iPad (no GPS!)
  • Connects via mifi to slower CDMA network
  • mifi device only compatible here in US....won't work globally
  • mifi device has a much shorter battery life than the iPad.
  • Must configure/carry/charge/connect another separate device
  • No GPS chip in the Wifi iPad

AT&T:
  • Wifi + 3G + GPS Model for same price as Verizon's Wifi-only model
  • AT&T 3G GSM is faster than Verizon's CDMA
  • 3G is global
  • Free access to over 20k wifi hotspots (don't need to use valuable GBs on plan)
  • lower monthly service entry price point

I'm sorry....the Verizon solution looks adhoc. It appears like some engineer at Verizon said "Hey, if we connect this to that, configure this other device, use some glue and other connectors, we can make this iPad work on our network!"

The day that I forget to charge this mifi device is the day I regret this solution.
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Do those even work when your iPad is locked?

They do on my iPad. I still get mail and even IM's in AIM (if AIM is open). Not sure why some of these people think the WiFi is automatically turned off when the iPad is locked or sleeping?
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did hell just freeze over?

Not yet.. In January it will..
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Hmmm.....I"ve got $629 to purchase an iPad. What to do?....

Verizon:
  • Wifi only iPad (no GPS!)
  • Connects via mifi to slower CDMA network
  • mifi device only compatible here in US....won't work globally
  • mifi device has a much shorter battery life than the iPad.
  • Must configure/carry/charge/connect another separate device
  • No GPS chip in the Wifi iPad

AT&T:
  • Wifi + 3G + GPS Model for same price as Verizon's Wifi-only model
  • AT&T 3G GSM is faster than Verizon's CDMA
  • 3G is global
  • Free access to over 20k wifi hotspots (don't need to use valuable GBs on plan)
  • lower monthly service entry price point

I'm sorry....the Verizon solution looks adhoc. It appears like some engineer at Verizon said "Hey, if we connect this to that, configure this other device, use some glue and other connectors, we can make this iPad work on our network!"

The day that I forget to charge this mifi device is the day I regret this solution.

I just love (ie, I hate) when people create these intentionally biased lists. I mean, at least try to appear a little unbiased if you are trying to help people make informed choices. Oh wait, you weren't trying to be helpful. You are just being a shill for ATT.

Let me balance things out a bit for you...

- You listed "no GPS" twice for Verizon just to up the cons list. And there are options for adding GPS to a wi-fi only iPad if you decide later you really need it (obviously, at an exrtra cost).
- Verizon has a wi-fi hotspot network, too, that you (and AI) conveniently neglect to mention when talking about ATTs hotspots (yes, it's less extensive than ATT's, but they do have one).
- GSM is theoretically faster than CDMA, just like USB 2.0 is theoretically faster than FW400. And we all know how accurate that claim is. Signal coverage for both carriers is highly dependent on where you are. If you are in an area of poor/no ATT coverage, like I am sometimes, all the speed claims in the world aren't going to help you.
- The pricing plans alternate between carriers. If you typical usage is between 2-3 GB, the Verizon plan is better. Saying ATT has a lower entry point is like saying you can get a PC for cheaper than a Mac. What are you needs?
- If you have a 3G iPad, but also an iPod touch and/or a laptop you'd like to get online, just how many ATT data plans are you willing to pay for?
- If you upgrade your iPad in the spring, you need to pay the "built-in 3G" premium all over again. Or once the carriers get 4G up and running, you have to buy a whole new iPad, I'll probably be able to just get a new MiFi device.
- If, like most Americans, you don't travel outside the US, why would you care about "global" 3G. And how much are you willing to pay ATT for international data plans? And a wi-fi iPad will work just fine at the many internet cafes you'll find everywhere you travel overseas (they are much more common than in the US).

I'm not saying Verizon is the universally better option. It's just different. Choose depending on your needs.
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That's odd, my iPad still gets email and other network related alerts/data while it is locked and sleeping, so I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

Same here. I take my iPad to the gym to watch movies while I work out. As soon as I walk back into my house I can hear the emails coming in. All while it is asleep.
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did hell just freeze over?

Nope. that would be the day that Apple steps up with a CDMA ipad.

Which would also be real fuel to this whole Verizon iphone rumor. Because even with LTE, it would need CDMA to fall back on until Verizon's network is up in full.

Otherwise, we need someone releasing a triSim that can handle all 3 with zero to minimal negative impart on the battery life etc

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I use my wifi only 16gb all the time. It works perfectly and no issues. Dont know what the guy is talking about complaining it doesnt have 3g. My son uses it in the back seat with our mywi to stream netflix. Works like a charm. To each their own. By the way, as someone who has coverage with both verizon and att, I can say(for me in seattle) Verizon is waaay better than att. Way better, and the iphone if it ever hits big red will kick att's arse. Att sucks, the iphone rules.
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It should say "for sale" and not "on sale."


Anyway, get a MacBook Air and a Virgin Wireless (Sprint network) 3G USB dongle (~$75US) for $40/month UNLIMITED with no contract. You can use network sharing if you want to share your connection with another device. You can also buy 100MB for 10 days for $10 if you only need 3G temporarily.
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Yeah the Verizon situation doesn't make any real sense for many users unless you happen to live say in an area in the midwest where ATT could have poor 3G coverage.

It also os a convenient way for Apple and Verizon to get familiar with each other. measure demand, get support structure in place, etc. -- before Verizon iPhone rollout!

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Smartest thing in the world for Verizon to work with Apple. If they let Apple have their way they will bring in huge revenue to Verizon. Look at what Apple has done for a crappy carrier. Just think, the best spamrtphone on the best network...excellent match. Once the carriers let Apple do its thing on their networks their companies' revenue will explode and the android market will slow down considerably.
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I expect that the next release of the iPad will have the ability to do either CDMA or GMS. We use a tablet at work that already has the ability. We normally use CDMA but all I need to do to use AT&T is plug in a SIM card. The same will happen to the iPad.

I think that Verizon has the better plan. I don't care what the carriers say a 250MB plan is just dumb. It does not take much to go over it. Verizon 1GB plan is a really good starting point that most people will not go over.

Personally I'd rather see the carriers to go a simple plan like $10 to $15 for the first 1GB then $10 for each 1GB after that with no limit on how much you can eat.
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For everyone who has doubts or concerns if there is GPS on the Verizon iPads, here's a good link to follow: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/appl...s-and-no/5898; you'll need to read "adambanksdotcom" comment to possibly confirm this. He says that he has a wifi only iPad that probably does have GPS; and he also gives a brief review about using the wifi only iPad with Navigon. I'll be sure to call Apple to confirm this and update my reply.
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For everyone who has doubts or concerns if there is GPS on the Verizon iPads, here's a good link to follow: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/appl...s-and-no/5898; you'll need to read "adambanksdotcom" comment to possibly confirm this. He says that he has a wifi only iPad that probably does have GPS; and he also gives a brief review about using the wifi only iPad with Navigon. I'll be sure to call Apple to confirm this and update my reply.

No. It doesn't. We've torn them apart. There is NO GPS in the Wi-Fi iPad. Verizon did not get special iPads. Some guy did not get a special iPad. You can use Wi-Fi triangulation to find yourself with a Wi-Fi iPad.

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After just speaking with an AppleCare Rep. for the iPad within less than a minute ago, it has now been confirmed that any user of a "WiFi Only" ipad can use GPS just so long as they have an internet connection. When the user is not near a hotspot, this is where the Verizon MiFi comes in to help ensure GPS navigation. If the user needs more than what the "Maps Application" offers, the WiFi only iPad will work with a 3rd party GPS app. made for the iPad; GPS apps which are currently on the iPhone that do not have an iPad version may have trouble with resolution. With any 3rd party application, check with them for how to configure it.
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After just speaking with an AppleCare Rep. for the iPad within less than a minute ago, it has now been confirmed that any user of a "WiFi Only" ipad can use GPS just so long as they have an internet connection.

SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GPS. It's identifying location based on the location of the currently connected wireless network.

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SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GPS. It's identifying location based on the location of the currently connected wireless network.

If you don't have line of sight to the satellites (be it highrise buildings blocking you or you are driving in a tunnel), you are getting your location data from other sources as well --- even if you have a iphone with GPS.

If you have a Verizon ev-do router which can get location data from aGPS and from the cell phone towers and it passes that information to you wifi ipad ---- then your wifi ipad will know where you are.
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If you don't have line of sight to the satellites (be it highrise buildings blocking you or you are driving in a tunnel), you are getting your location data from other sources as well --- even if you have a iphone with GPS.

If you have a Verizon ev-do router which can get location data from aGPS and from the cell phone towers and it passes that information to you wifi ipad ---- then your wifi ipad will know where you are.

Is there a GPS chip in the MiFi? Because if there is no dedicated GPS chip, you're STILL wrong. It's not aGPS unless it has a real GPS chip in addition to cell triangulation.

And that still has nothing to do with the Wi-Fi iPad not having GPS.

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Is there a GPS chip in the MiFi? Because if there is no dedicated GPS chip, you're STILL wrong. It's not aGPS unless it has a real GPS chip in addition to cell triangulation.

And that still has nothing to do with the Wi-Fi iPad not having GPS.

Yes, it does.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/reviews/a...-MiFi-2200.htm
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Yes, it does.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/reviews/a...-MiFi-2200.htm

That's neat. So the MiFi will shoot the iPad its location data based on GPS and cell.

But the Wi-Fi iPad does NOT have GPS on its own.

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