Google activating 300,000 Android devices per day, for free - Page 2

And yet another Apple hating troll with an inferiority complex and envy joins AppleInsider with an insightful first post. How delightful.

My how the trolls flock to any pro-android news, like moths to a flame.
Even on Apple-centric sites, they are so insecure that they must thump their chests and tell all how good android is, what they are trying to say is "look androyd is as good as iOS".
In reality they are saying "when the f&$k is my carrier going to upgrade my plasticly piece of s*#t to androyd version 2.x". Well actually never idiot. Why should they ? Makes no business sense to do so.
But makes perfect sense to get you to buy another piece of crap.
Your choice go, but please, oh please can you remove yourselves from our site.

What OS did Apple copy with the first iPhone, then?

Rubin Android activations seem uninformative to me. I seem to recall Jobs saying that they are activating x-many unique iOS devices per day, with some days exceeding an even higher number. Saying “each day” is ambiguous as to when the ≥ 300k started. For on the past 2 days since before the tweet? For the Black Friady weekend?


PS: Come on people, you know PaiZuri was just baiting you all. Ignore the trolls.

Meh.. Talking about inferiority complex. I had tried some top Android models and I don't think they're better than iPhone at all. Yes, iPhone is more expensive and here Android phones that are more or less the same price just sitting gathering dust while people flocked to buy half the price models.

Mac OS Xs Darwin literally. That lazy iPhone team couldnt even choose a different OS to make iPhone OS. What a bunch of good for nothings.

The two are similar IMHO in one important aspect; both Google and MS business models rely on market domination. Conversely, Apple's model relies on differentiation within the marketplace.

What I mean is this. Google introduced Android to support its domination of paid search. Mobile was a threat, particularly when Windows Mobile looked strong, because carriers and manufacturers had much more influence over the choice of search engine than on the desktop. If Windows Mobile seized a large chunk of the market, which was conceivable in 2005, they could force everyone to use Bing (or Windows Live Search, or whatever it was called) services. This threatened Google's dominance, so as a defensive move, they developed Android to maintain their market dominance and promote their services. If Bing were to go away entirely, Google would be delighted. It would just mean more revenue for Google and fewer threats. Nothing about this models needs other providers.

This is much like MS's approach and their Windows Tax aspiration. It's well documented and not worth repeating here. Essentially, they wanted Windows everywhere and to kill all competition, which they almost managed.

Apple is different. It has always tried to differentiate itself from others' product offerings by making integrated products that are more usable, more powerful, prettier, cooler, and just plain better than their competitors. They want customers to have choice and to choose them, even if their products won't do everything that everyone wants. Apple relies on being different (or better) and needs others to allow customers to make this relative judgement. Apple needs to operate in a plural marketplace with lots of providers.

So, Apple is not like MS, but Google is.

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Not sure about Android Central , but there are other
AnDroid Sites that the Apple bashing is very bad on.
There are many Android Fanboi's that go out of there way to bash
anything Apple does without even taking a look at the product.

I am fairly neutral when it comes to technology.
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Each device can serve its purpose but Apple products are for the most part a
more finished product, that you can depend on.

I have already needed a factory reset on the Droid X just so the stock music player would work. I wont go into all the other problems i have had with Android.

I think that Google is cooking the books.

WHO F'ing CARES? No, really?

Android is being placed on just about every smartphone coming out that is not an iPhone. It's naturally going to overtake Apple, but it simple does not matter. Why? Because there are PLENTY of folks who are happy to be dialed into the clean Apple ecosystem, so Apple will continue to sell iPhones by the boatload. When the phone is offered on Verizon, you will see a nice bump in sales. Android will still outpace the iPhone, but once again it doesn't matter.

Apple is doing exactly what they need to do and are being rewarded with sales that have valued the company as #2 in the world.

That is because Google is trying to kill the iPhone. If not for that, it would be OK for them to coexist. But Google is trying to kill the iPhone.

prove it

I totally agree - my parents were incredibly excited when they realized that while the UI and performance may not be consistent, and the app selection is more limited and apps may or may not work well on their devices, that they could issue the above commands to compile their own kernel. I assume that's the main draw on GoogleTV as well?

So basically the only other tweet Rubin had was to counter Jobs, and then he totally missed the point of what the argument was. Nice.

It is down right a lie!

Have I said that Apple has copied anything?

I was quoting someoneo who has said that everyone copies Apple.

"We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We wont let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but theres no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This dont be evil mantra: Its bullshit.

Ah, the proof that Google wants to kill the iphone is a quote from Jobs saying that Google wants to kill the iPhone.

Yes, a very good and reliable proof

Maybe Android has become self-aware and is activating by itself.. Heck maybe Andy Rubin is an Android.. Who knows?!

Dont forget you also have a quote from enohpI saying that Google wants to kill the iPhone. That has to mean something¡

Free fragmentation for everyone!! Come and git it, folks!

Where did you read this?


Soon? There's an article on AI stating it'll take 2 years before WP7 catches up. 2 years is a long time.

Why do you think that? Smartphone sales have exploded (96% year-over-year) and the majority of those (with perhaps the exception of AT&T) are Android devices.

Can anyone explain to me how the upcoming Chrome OS fits into this? Is google going to replace Android with this when it comes out? Wont that confuse users? Good new for Apple has this will make yet another OS in the sea, keeping one from dominating the market.

I wish that some post like enohpI one where paid by Apple competitors, because they make so harm to Apple making their supporters look dumb

Android is the eMachines of mobile OSs.

You just fell hook/line/sinker for this author's one sided claim.

Every wonder why non-channel Android devices don't have access to the Marketplace? Think about that for 2 seconds.... maybe 2 minutes if you are a brainwashed fanboi. Remember those $100 android tablets that showed up at kmart or walmart? Try one of those as an example.

I wonder if there's any licensing to use google products, such as maps, browsers, marketplace, etc. I'll bet the author missed that point.

Plus ios (not the Cisco OS) devices include music only devices, which are hardly feature phones. They only fragment the Apple line even more. Apple is clever here to class all ios into their "activations", as that just means an itunes account. It helps inflate their numbers.

So you're surprised that a site called AppleInsider is biased towards Apple?

Why are you here?

No, one thinkg is being biased, another totally different is being a cult and a bashing site against anything that is not Apple.

And our beloved Daniel has changed his hatred from Microsoft to Google since this has been a treat to Apple.

When Google passes Apple in market cap... then, maybe, I'll give a shit.

Till then... hey Google...

Wow. This article reeks of desperation. What happened to the attitude that market share doesn't matter? I guess now that Android has basically caught up the new line of discussion is to throw anything and everything at the wall that shows Android is not "successful".

First, there's the, "It doesn't make any/enough money line." Really? So a company that sells ads is not beating out a company that sells hardware and software bundled together. Stop the presses! What a revelation. DED is a genius.

As for Android being given away for free....the OS is given away for free. Google's proprietary apps (GMail, Android Market, etc.) are not. Google charges for those. And if they are activating 300 000 Android devices a day ( of which 95%+ are still only smartphones), then it's quite likely that Android's development costs are being paid for by licensing costs for Google's apps alone (even it's $1 per phone). Heck, they'd be making a good chunk of change at 214 000 activations per day. Even Andy Rubin says it's profitable. And more profitable and viable than it would have been without Google's backing according to him. Somehow, I think the guy who founded the company must know about its financials.

And let's say they actually gave away Android for free? So what? That's their business model. Seems to work well damn well for them on all their cloud centric businesses....to which incidentally Android drives a lot of traffic. Just because it can't work for Apple doesn't mean nobody else should be able to try out that strategy. The defensiveness on here borders on hysterical at times.

Be glad for the competition. I really wonder how good the iPhone 4 would have been if the Android truck hadn't been bearing down on iOS. And where would Apple's cloud strategy be without Google offering serious competition in that space. I'm glad Apple and Google broke up. It's better for me as a consumer that they compete. I'll bet the threat of Android has advanced Apple's development cycle by at least a year if not more. Jobs would have been happy to simply user cheaper tech, spread out his development cycle and rake in more profits per unit. I'll bet that this is what pisses him off about Android. It makes him work harder. If Apple goes dual core next year, throws in near field communications and super AMOLED screens, you can thank Android for that. Conversely, I'm grateful for the superb UI in iOS that keeps pushing Google to improve Android's usability. Just look at how much Android's UI and UX have improved in a year. There's no way that would have happened without competition from Android.

And smartphones wouldn't be getting commodotized if it wasn't for Android. People like to crow about how little profits the Android OEMs make. Except they still make more than they did when they sold dumbphones (heck Motorola's survival is entirely because of Android....the iPhone killed their cash cow: the RAZR line) and as their products get commodotized, they're putting high end smartphones within reach of more and more of the world's population everyday. All this driven by a free mobile OS, given away by an internet search (primarily) company. If Apple was the sole innovator in this space, nobody would be getting highly capable touchscreen smartphones for free on contract. Nor would any of them cost $500-$600 contract free.

All this brings me to my prediction...a Verizon iPhone won't change much at all. Verizon could add 20 000 activations a day to Apple's iOS count. But Android will probably have widened the gap by that much or more by the time the iPhone launches on Verizon. Especially as Android Honeycomb kicks off the Android Tablet run. But in the end do these numbers matter? If I'm a Verizon customer, I'd be happy to just get more choice. Now I get to choose between the iPhone, Blackberries, Windows Phone 7 and Android. Who could be against being spoiled by choices?

You're a terrible businssman if you don't understand the difference in business paradigms bet you and your competitor. Android's almost a loss-leader for Google. Those 300 000 activations a day...are 300 000 more pairs of eyeballs for Google Search, GMail, Google Maps, Google Latitude. And Google doesn't have to invest in hardware development. They just have to make the OS. There's not even much incremental expenditure on their other services. Spend on Android and drive customers towards Google's cloud services.

As for giving away handsets for free...that's not Google, or the OEMs (who get full price for their handsets), that's the carriers. For that small discount of $100-$200 on a handset they get to upsell a two year data contract. That must be a really hard concept for a businessman to understand: the upsell.

It will change more than you think has Verizon will now promote iphones at there stores with ads. Going from pushing and promoting android to promoting iphones will make a huge impact on total iphone sales.

In canada you see big iphone 4 posters at every cell phone shops. That changed things in terms of visibility.

And I think Google is going to push ChromeOS on tablets so dont expect Android to take too much "activations" in that market. On the other hand, they are both Google OS. With RIM, windows, iOs, Android and ChromeOS, we are in for one hell of a ride in the next years. imo fragmetation helps Apple a lot, the only thing Apple need to fear is one coming out the winner.

Has long has the market stays fragmented, Apple is going to keep being the biggest phone/tablet company and by far the most profitable one.

I can see Rubin in early American history clamoring for freedom for mankind against the oppressive British while keeping slaves and not seeing how there is a difference or an injustice. It sounds like Android is only open for the HW vendors and carriers who can then shackle the device in ways that adversely affect users in bizarre ways that defy any definition of “open" I know of.

Brilliant post. And this last part made me smile because the answer to your question is: an Apple apologist. To them, choice equals "fragmentation."

You are being tracked just like you are when you do a Google search.
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I'd charge at least a dollar for the OS and either buy the staff lunch, OR give some of it away to Charity! When something goes wrong, who are you going to send a "class action" lawsuit to?

Actually it's Android phones + Tablet (not plural). The only tablet that connects to the Android Market (and that's where these stats are from) is the Samsung Galaxy Tab.


You're wrong.


Your bias is compelling you to mix up the concept of market share and installed base. Android has only taken off this year. You can't really expect them to beat out 3 years worth of iPhone sales, and countless years of Nokia and Blackberry sales in one shot. Not to mention the fact that being in the UK, you actually got the better Androids months after they did in the US (just like us here in Canada...and we were later than you).

This time next year, you'll be seeing a lot more Androids on your Tube ride into work....


~15% are at 1.x. I'd venture to say that's probably the same proportion of iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G owners active in the iOS ecosystem who don't have the latest OS. And something like 40% of Androids are on 2.1. Yet as far as apps go, there really aren't that many that require 2.1, and I can only really think of 2 apps that require 2.2 (Flash and Skype). Even the new and fantastic Google Maps for Mobile 5 which uses vector graphics only needs Android 1.6. And speaking of Android 2.2. Just look at how fast phones have been upgraded to that standard. Over half the installed base will be on 2.2 by Christmas. Contrary to popular belief, fragmentation is actually getting better, not worse.


Another genius who doesn't understand Google's business paradigm for Android.

And they do have a revenue stream. The OS is free. But you have to pay to license all of Google's proprietary apps including the Android Market.

Now that's what I'm talking about!


Hence APPLEinsider....

Everyone in the western world is being tracked. It doesn't matter what fuckin phone you have. This is not a valid argument whatsoever.

So which figure is correct?

1) 300,000 phones/day per Rubin's tweet
2) 1,500,000 devices*/week (214,000/day) per the Nexus S launch

*which basically means phones, given the essential absence of other devices

What you seem to be forgetting is that google make a huge amount of money off mobile advertising through your precious IPHONE too. Android is out there to ensure no one company ends up with a closed operating system on phones. It benefits everyone.