Originally Posted by Tulkas
Other handset users are also now using large amounts of data, not just iPhone users, though they probably still use more than others.[
I agree with you there -- yes, Android has probably pushed up the data use as well -- not as much based on their app downloads and other well-established patterns, but Apple's share has probably decreased. However, overall -- bandwidth usage WAY up. Which means unlimited data or large data plans are MORE important -- agreed?
iPhone users hitting data caps early on AT&T or Verizon don't benefit
iPhone and Android users taking advantage of Netflix DO PAY ATTENTION to the unlimited data plan on t-Mobile. iPhone users wait, while Android users look to see if their normal zone of usage is covered by t-Mobile, it isn't so they wait as well.
Actually, those with eating disorders would probably put the buffet out of business when they broke their treatment.
So my Analogy is correct since T-Mobile is starving it's business right now! The only thing they have is cheap service. I know -- I've got T-Mobile.
Maybe. But then Verizon got rid of unlimited data only after they got the iPhone. Where was the backlash over tiered data?
The backlash is in people moving to T-Mobile even when it's got less coverage. If there weren't an effect, T-Mobile would be hurting more than they are. Actually -- they are in great position with the cash they got from AT&T's bid withdrawal and the extra bandwidth they have to sell them.
T-Mobile will probably START upgrading their networks -- because they were sitting on their heals for the buy-out.
That is a logical leap. T-Mobile having unlimited data didn't prevent Verizon from pitching unlimited data and bringing in tiered data. I think you are correct that it was Apple that was the catalyst for more affordable data. Apple. Not TMobile.
OK, and why would I argue with myself? Apple's new device pushed higher data rates on cell phone networks.
However, as a sharp cookie, I'm sure you have to recognize that SOMETIMES competition in business leads to forced improvements regardless of current economic impact. Verizon went to tiered Data because they could. This Christmas, however, was a huge lurch into smart phones for a lot of customers. There tiered plans are not too onerous because MOST People don't get a good enough bandwidth from Verizon in the first place. Verizon has a larger map for "good enough" data, but AT&T has the fastest data service in the right areas -- so the chance of someone hitting the cap on Verizon is much slimmer and kind of rare.
My prediction: Verizon and AT&T are going to get pushback. T-Mobile is going to upgrade their networks and eventually add the iPhone.
The ONLY thing that has stopped a bigger backlash, is the depressed economy, people struggling at work and staying employed -- and nobody making waves. As the economy picks up, then there will be more money in capturing Growth. Right now, carriers just want to have enough to KEEP their customers -- the low hanging fruit is gone.
For instance; Anyone who can be serviced by T-Mobile and doesn't need an iPhone has probably already given them a look.
If T-Mobile upgrades in a reasonable amount of time, they will be cannibalizing from AT&T and Verizon. ONLY THEN, will unlimited plans start becoming available from the other carriers.
The NEXT competitive source of price-gouging might be in; "Pay us not to share your data or spy on your location" or "guaranteed service".
>> I think we can all agree that without T-Mobile in the mix, the prices for the data plans would be higher -- that's my point, and you've complicated it.