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I know everyone (Apple & Media) is saying that the iPad will deliver on March 16, but UPS is scheduling my delivery for March 12. I did order mine at 3:00 pm west coast time last Wednesday. Took me around 3 hours just to order it because apples servers were running so slow that day! I did find it easier for myself to use the Apple Store App than the Mac using Safari.
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Is it really millions of fanboys lining up to purchase the latest gadget for bragging rights? That may be the case for a very small minority, but most of us just like using the device and know that updates just make the experience better.

The real truth of the matter is that the technology used in handheld devices is growing by leaps and bounds every single year. So, to stay current, most people are on an upgrade cycle of 1-2 years. Which is great for Apple and the industry as a whole. I currently use an original iPad, i put off purchasing the iPad 2 because I knew the retina display was coming. But now, my iPad is showing it's age, which is amazing for a device that is only 2 years old. But that just goes to show how much the technology is changing.

Before the original iPhone, who cared about 3G or LTE? Did you know what the resolution of the screen was on your phone? Did you know what processor is used or how much memory it had? Apple brought to general public the realization that the simple device that everyone was carrying was capable of more than just phone calls, texting, downloading ringtones, and if you had a top of the line product, bare bones email.

Yes, every update after the original release is going to be an incremental update, companies do not redefine a genre every time they release an updated product. The new iPad, better screen resolution, faster processor and graphics, utilizing current top of the line wireless technology around the world (even though there isn't a standard yet). What more do you want from an update, a stylus?
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B.T.W. I'm holding a customer's Galaxy Tab 7.7 in my hand right now, with Samsung Equinox soc and 1280x800 super amoled+ (197pp) screen, samsung design casing, and it's some serious stuff. They've got their dual-core A15 ready as well, which I would have love to have seen in the new Ipad

Yeah, and it has all sorts of terrible apps of which very few takes advantage of tablets.
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I'm holding a customer's Galaxy Tab 7.7 in my hand right now, with Samsung Equinox soc and 1280x800 super amoled+ (197pp) screen, samsung design casing, and it's some serious stuff. They've got their dual-core A15 ready as well, which I would have love to have seen in the new Ipad

I love how you completely omit the OS it's running. Pity such fantastic hardware is hobbled by an operating system straight out of the dark ages.
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Surely they must be buying multiple iPads to make it look like they are selling better¡

I C whut U did thar!

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Where was that?

I've never seen anything but Apple leading the way thru 2015. None of the the MS-based mobile devices are seeing much in the way of success. They even lost more market share in smartphones this last quarter according to articles here at AI. In tablets they're non-existent for practical purposes.

Ha Ha just depends on "which pundits" you read about. Lol there were a ton of them saying the "new iPad is a mediocre upgrade and still are saying it one even said that the windows 8 pads were going to put the "new iPad" to shame its funny really how distant from reality some of these bloggers are
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3) I don't think Win8 has much of a chance. It's certainly nicer than Android and there are plenty of great features in Metro but it's too little too late. It's like WinPh compared to iOS for iPhone except the gap between Win8?Metro and iOS for iPad is even greater... and I still have yet to see how Win8 performs on a full functional ARM-based tablet. If it can't get 10 hours of battery life from the same basic HW and be as good in price if not cheaper there is a problem. On top of that it's not like Windows previous control where apps will work the same across PCs. It's a new UI that requires new apps so this Windows Everywhere mantra is ridiculously misguided.

Win8 on tablets is a bet-the-company move for Microsoft. If they fail here, they will be hard-pressed to find avenues to maintain growth or at least minimize the rate of contraction.

Unfortunately for them, they have no recent history of success to really build on. Their biggest recent innovations are things like the Kinect, which hasn't really been a catalyst for meaningful growth in the Xbox world.

The one thing that Microsoft has in their favor is desktop inertia and the "nascent" tablet market relative to it in the enterprise. If the products that really differentiate its capabilities don't make it out mid-year though, it could be game over.
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Why can't you be happy without feeling that you are somehow better than other people? Why do you imagine that preferring one company's products makes you somehow a better person?

Anybody can join your club. Owning a product doesn't make you a better person.

why do people who only want to belittle Apple waste their time here. Seems very foolish to me
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I'm not surprised. The retina display is a huge difference, one which is tangible to consumers.

NO THIS CANT BE ITS a MEDIOCRE UPGRADE AT BEST

(sarcasm intended)
I got to see one of them and the retina display is drop dead gorgeous.
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Maybe they should get some credit for playing such a big role as well ?

I certainly give them the credit they are due but it's still not an Samsung device just as who refines the steel ore for car (which accounts for nearly all the weight and component costs) does mean it's their car. They are just one of many companies that are hired by the customer to perform a duty or sell a product. Does an Oscar winning writer owe his career to the PC he used to write his screenplay? I don't think so even though that machine likely made his writing easier.

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B.T.W. I'm holding a customer's Galaxy Tab 7.7 in my hand right now, with Samsung Equinox soc and 1280x800 super amoled+ (197pp) screen, samsung design casing, and it's some serious stuff.

That is the non-PenTile display. It's very good all around. It does best the iPad's HiDPI display but when you get to a certain point you don't have to. It's not Retina Display level but it's close enough that anyone using it will likely be very satisfied with the image.

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They've got their dual-core A15 ready as well, which I would have love to have seen in the new Ipad

Not in any shipping product. I know of no one that is shipping anything Cortex-A15 at the moment. The closest is Qualcomm's Krait but that's an intermediary design and not based on Cortex-A15.

Because of the number of units Apple sells they will usually be behind other vendors who sell only a fraction of the units for newly produced chips. An exception is with their GPUs and displays but they are investing a lot to get rights to these products.

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Ha Ha just depends on "which pundits" you read about. Lol there were a ton of them saying the "new iPad is a mediocre upgrade and still are saying it one even said that the windows 8 pads were going to put the "new iPad" to shame its funny really how distant from reality some of these bloggers are

To be fair, Gatorguy appears to get his news from Rob Enderle.

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why do people who only want to belittle Apple waste their time here. Seems very foolish to me

I've been saying that for many years.

It makes sense that people who like a product would spend their time talking with others who like the product to learn about rumors or features that they might not have been aware of.

But for someone to go out of their way and spend a lot of time intentionally going to a web site that's about a product they don't use, don't like, and have no interest in is surely a sign of mental illness.
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Franky, we don't care. Thanks anyway.

Then why bother replying?
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post #93 of 423
No suprise, this is my first order of apple prelease product.
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To be fair, Gatorguy appears to get his news from Rob Enderle.

I guess you chose to ignore my PM. No biggie.

I've never felt the iPad would be anything but successful
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Surely they must be buying multiple iPads to make it look like they are selling better¡

Actually, it is just Apple "fudging" the numbers to look good. Since the items have not actually been sold (in the hands of the customer and Apple having their cash), it's the same as everyone else counting sold when it goes to the retailer. /s
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Why would Samsung do that as they already supply the soc, memory and display (and maybe even more) ?

Not to offend everyone, but you're buying a samsung device with apple os and apple quality standards during production and assembly.

Your lack of knowledge astounds! The A5X is most certainly not samsungs chip. It is a custom asic designed by apple based on the arm core but with a ton of custom add ons inside. Apple designs the guts to the processor and samsung manufactures it. That is the only involvement samsung has nothing more. They DO NOT design the A5X. Samsung is an OEM manufacturer, that is all not a designer. Apple owns all of the rights to the chips they use because they custom build the prototypes the send them to an oem like samsung for mass production. So are you going to say that the new GOBI chip from qualcomm for 4G is a samsung chip? Because samsung manufactures them for qualcomm? I can point to hundreds of other cases just like this. How about the Xbox 360? Is it an IBM system because IBM manufactures the main Power PC processor inside? How about the Playstation 3? Is it an IBM Playstation because IBM Manufactures the Cell Processor inside? Because the Cell is a custom collaboration of power pc between IBM and Sony?

How about the noise cancellation part of the A5X is that samsungs too, does it matter that apple licenses that tech and incorporates it in all of there A series chips?

I could go on about other parts of all of apple products like this all day but you get the point.

Samsung is nothing more than an OEM manufacturer in this regard. They don't own the design to anything inside of any iDevice except maybe the memory, and maybe some of the display tech but apple has a huge hand in the display tech design too.

OEM manufacturers are just that ... companies with the manufacturing facilities to build soc's and asic's
nothing more. If that was not the case why is samsung not using the A5X in there phones and pads?
BECAUSE IT IS NOT THERE TECHNOLOGY. PERIOD. They were contracted to mass manufacture them to Apples specs. Period.

Look to add despite apple and samsungs legal wranglings aside .....Apple is a 8 to 10 Billion dollar OEM Customer to samsung per year But that is the extent of there involvement, like other posts here have said do we give credit to U.S. Steel for making the steel in our cars and say they built them no.
They made the material the car was made out of but not the car. If you look outside electronics you will find that there are literally thousands of "support" or OEM manufacturers that support the main companies that build all of the products all of us use worldwide on a daily basis, but that does not mean that the OEM manufacturers design those products they just help mass manufacture parts for those products to OEM specs. The OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) (Apple in this Case) designs and engineers the product then has someone else build the components that has the facilities to do so.
post #97 of 423
No surprise at all! Anybody with a half a brain saw this coming.

Unfortunately many people are apparently missing normal, functioning brains.

And it's not just iPad 1 owners and people who don't have iPads who have ordered. I believe that many people who already have iPad 2's have also ordered the new one. I certainly did!

This is no small upgrade, like some clueless morons claim. It is a major, major upgrade, featuring a mind blowing screen that has never before existed on any consumer device.

It's going to be a terrible year for Fandroids all over the world! Isn't that great?
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Because it is about ports, cores, Ghz and a dozen other things 90% of the buying public does not care about.

They don't care about it because they don't understand it. I agree, 90% of the iPad buyers are clueless about computers which is why iPad is perfect for them. It allows them to get on Facebook. What else do they need?

In the past with their office computer when they couldn't figure out how to do something they just assumed it was because they are clueless. They would never suspect the device itself could be to blame for lack of functionality. They have learned not to blame their computer because whenever they had suggested something like that in the past, an IT person would embarrass them by showing them that the problem was that they just don't know what the hell they are doing.

Ignorance is bliss.

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I think your numbers are very low. The original iPad in 2010 sold 300k units in the first day. They also sold 1 million units in just under a month. Let's not forget this was still an unknown product category with only a handful of iPad designed apps for the App Store, with the 3G models not hitting the shelves until nearly a month after the WiFi models went on sale. I think a couple million the first weekend is more likely.

If they sold 15 Million units last quarter and the ipad 2 has already been out for a while, i don't think that 25 Mil units for the next full quarter is out of line. If they sell more, even better for Apple.
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I'm not sure having less stock in stores makes the most business sense. There might be a completely valid rhyme and reason that I'm not seeing... but, by definition, I'm not seeing it.



So far the iPad has had no competition and it's improved drastically in the last two years. I think the desire to keep competition from getting remotely close is enough to stimulate innovation.



1) There are plenty of articles and blogs that are making such claims. I don't recall anyone noteworthy or any claim that is worthy of repeating but they are out there.

2) Since I know of no such claims about Win8 tablets overtaking the iPad I noted the claims of Win8 overtaking Android tablets.

3) I don't think Win8 has much of a chance. It's certainly nicer than Android and there are plenty of great features in Metro but it's too little too late. It's like WinPh compared to iOS for iPhone except the gap between Win8?Metro and iOS for iPad is even greater... and I still have yet to see how Win8 performs on a full functional ARM-based tablet. If it can't get 10 hours of battery life from the same basic HW and be as good in price if not cheaper there is a problem. On top of that it's not like Windows previous control where apps will work the same across PCs. It's a new UI that requires new apps so this Windows Everywhere mantra is ridiculously misguided.

It appears that "winnows everywhere" may be a better name for MS' mobile market share.
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I'm not sure having less stock in stores makes the most business sense. There might be a completely valid rhyme and reason that I'm not seeing... but, by definition, I'm not seeing it.

Less stock in stores makes no sense. Apple is huge into the visual marketing thing and nothing shows and breeds demand like a news story with video and pictures showing mobs of people waiting outside of an Apple store.
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post #102 of 423
Ok this might be a stupid question but my tracking at FedEx says my iPad is in Kentucky. And that was as of yesterday. I live in Minnesota. If its in Kentucky how can it take until Friday to be delivered to Minnesota?
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So Samsung builds and designs some of the components and so ALL the HW is now something Samsung has their hands on? How the frak does that make sense?

Very little of the HW appears to be from Samsung. Even if the assemble the A5X chip most of it isn't from Samsung just like Foxconn assembling the iPad doesn't mean that it's a Foxconn iPad.

Where did you get the idea that the IPS LCD is a Samsung display? All evidence points to LG being the inventors backed by Apple's investment with multiple foundries used to assemble the displays.

There are literally dozens of companies from many countries supplying something to the iPad but you think it makes sense to single out what Apple hires Samsung to supply and say it's a Samsung device? Really?!

PS: It's simply amazing the lengths some of you will go to claim a company is pathetic and pointless. No CE is built in a bubble.

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No surprise at all! Anybody with a half a brain saw this coming.

Unfortunately many people are apparently missing normal, functioning brains.

And it's not just iPad 1 owners and people who don't have iPads who have ordered. I believe that many people who already have iPad 2's have also ordered the new one. I certainly did!

This is no small upgrade, like some clueless morons claim. It is a major, major upgrade, featuring a mind blowing screen that has never before existed on any consumer device.

It's going to be a terrible year for Fandroids all over the world! Isn't that great?

It's not just the improved screen, it is a faster processor (graphics mostly), more RAM, 4G LTE for those that need it and are willing to pay for it, plus much improved software/apps, video camera, etc. Apple has the better customer experience with everything surrounding the hardware to make it the better choice.
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I agree, 90% of the iPad buyers are clueless about computers which is why iPad is perfect for them. It

Weren't you the guy who was slamming the original iPad when it came out?

You are the one who simply does not get it. You didn't get it back then and you don't get it now.

How does it feel to be so completely wrong?
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Ok this might be a stupid question but my tracking at FedEx says my iPad is in Kentucky. And that was as of yesterday. I live in Minnesota. If its in Kentucky how can it take until Friday to be delivered to Minnesota?

You may get it a day early. Fedex is not allowed to deliver it sooner even if they could easily do it.

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Ok this might be a stupid question but my tracking at FedEx says my iPad is in Kentucky. And that was as of yesterday. I live in Minnesota. If its in Kentucky how can it take until Friday to be delivered to Minnesota?

Unions. Yours is also not the only box on the truck.

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It's not just the improved screen, it is a faster processor (graphics mostly), more RAM, 4G LTE for those that need it and are willing to pay for it, plus much improved software/apps, video camera, etc. Apple has the better customer experience with everything surrounding the hardware to make it the better choice.

I of course agree!
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Ha Ha just depends on "which pundits" you read about. Lol there were a ton of them saying the "new iPad is a mediocre upgrade and still are saying it one even said that the windows 8 pads were going to put the "new iPad" to shame its funny really how distant from reality some of these bloggers are

Apparently the NY Times chaned their headline after complaints. Their original headline mirrored the Associated Press which called it a modest upgrade.
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I would say you're mistaken. I really don't think there are "plenty of articles and blogs" predicting Microsoft-based tablets will overtake those using Android anytime soon Soli. I think you may have misunderstood what you've seen. Let me know if you find a reputable one.

There's an article here with projections from Gartner and IDC. Neither of them see Microsoft overtaking Android tablet share, and both see Apple leading at least thru 2014.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...t-gartner-ipad

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Franky, we don't care. Thanks anyway.

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I sold my iPad 1 32GB 3G to my 70-year old mother for $200 last week. She's been wanting one, and $200 was a lot better than $300 for a refurbished 16GB wifi model. And she wouldn't take it for nothing since she knew I was upgrading to the 'New iPad'.

Anyhow, went up yesterday to see how she liked it "WONDERFUL!!!" and updated it to iOS 5.1, and the thing is running better than at any time I ever had it! Even Infinity Blade plays fine without crashing She loves the fact that she can show off her grandkids, surf the web and email...the basic stuff, which the original iPad is great for. Glad to see it found a happy home. Now I'm having iPad withdrawal symptoms and have to wait until Friday for the new one

I did similar. I'm giving my wife's parents my iPad 2 for Christmas. But I sure as hell wasn't going to give them my iPad 2 on Christmas day. I ordered my upgrade on launch with the same difficulty as most. Can't wait to get the New iPad. Wife's folks will be thrilled once we set them up with wifi in their home.
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Some stupid comments from AnandTech:
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Won't happen, Apple uses off the shelf parts. The same parts as any one else, the tech does allow you to create a 9.7" 2048x1536 display, just like they did that resolution on the same tech in lower end/last gen older fabs ten years ago at 15" laptops. It's a standard resolution, one normally supported by CRT monitors and VGA-cards via the analog connections. At least since we had 300MHz RAMDAC. Which ends you up back in the 90's. Much higher then our current resolutions won't be supported on laptops though, so you can forget about 2880x1800 resolution on Macbooks (the is no reason to go 4 times the resolution here, laptops hasn't been stuck at a specific resolution and held back for that matter) as the integrated Intel graphics won't have the bandwidth to drive that resolution at 60Hz (or above) and GCN is the first architecture that has the bandwidth to drive 4k displays over DP/HDMI or anything over 2560x1600 @ 60Hz for that matter. You will need enough LVDS, TMDS or Displayport bandwidth to transmit a resolution like that as well as video card support. Others have showed up a range of other resolutions up to 1920x1200 because that's what is out in the supplychain or what they custom order, they of course has other considerations then to market it as as much pixels the eye can see. While Apple was intentionally not upgrading it's 1024x768 display others where doing 1280x800 way down to 7.7" on the same display tech, planning on going 1920x1200 on displays that is far less prototypes then the devices showing them, but major product updates and releases won't come at any time, so you would have to wait until they replace their top products. Just as you would have to wait for Apples release cycle to put out new stuff. Of course Apple uses parts from these companies that is "babbling", like displays, memories, NAND-storage, batteries, SSDs, harddrives, gpus, wireless hardware, mobile graphics vendors and so on. The PowerVR SGX 543MP4(+) is already out in consumer products like PS Vita for example.

Samsung is one of the major manufacturers of these new iPad LCD-panels. It's Samsung's, LG Display's or Sharp's own tech.

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-Our beloved customers are ready to give us more of their money for trendy gadget upgrade. We gotta sell them 'The New iPad', what have we got to "revolutionize"?
-Nothing.
-Eh, not even some app like Siri that we can remove from app store and shamelessly claim to make yet another breakthrough?
-Nope.
-Bah, let's play 'retina" display card then.
-Well, we only got 264 points per inch display, we claimed "retina display" to be 326 ppi, can we still claim 264ppi is retina?
-We are Apple dude, we can claim anything! (besides dudes like Anand will find excuses to demonstrate we were right)
-Right. Anyway, we'd need more powerful hardware too keep up old speeds at new resolution. (dudes like Anand will still make us look better, by using useless to customers off-screen benchmark) so we'd need a bigger battery.
-So it will be bigger, heavier and take longer to charge?
-Yep.
-Oh well, but it will still have "retina display". Should still sell well.

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I sold my iPad 1 32GB 3G to my 70-year old mother for $200 last week.

How considerate of you.


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I did similar. I'm giving my wife's parents my iPad 2 for Christmas.

Don't you just love used Christmas presents?

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Then why bother replying?

To try and stop you. But I realize it's futile....
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Apple should embed a hardware Easter egg in the new ipad. Some crazy ass unidentifiable device that glows in the dark and has a stamp that can only be viewed through a microscope that says "Roswell1947" or something like that.
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Your lack of knowledge astounds! The A5X is most certainly not samsungs chip. It is a custom asic designed by apple based on the arm core but with a ton of custom add ons inside.

Did I say they designed the A5X, no I said they supplied it, and Apple has tried to get another party to supply it (TSMC) and they had to revert to Samsung.

Samsung (different branch) does design their own ARM soc's, and they are one of the best on the market. In fact I'm saying it wrong, as ARM designs the ARM deisgn (but that's just a part of the overall process in creating a soc)
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How considerate of you.



Don't you just love used Christmas presents?

Really? Who wouldn't love a free iPad. And their computer needs are so basic. They will love the "used" iPad 2. And if anyone else wants to give me their used iPad 2 for Christmas I'll gladly accept another one.
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This release is my first pre order of anything, my iPad 1 has convinced me that an update would be worthwhile. This is especially the case because iOS 5.1 is looking really good right now as it has that iPad running smoother than ever.

The big mystery is how many iPads did they have reserved for Preorder. If iPad 3 has been in production since December we could be talking 5 million preorders sold. That is assuming 15 million produced for launch which isn't out of the ball park. That would give them about ten million to distribute through stores at launch.

In case you are wondering I'm using a production count of 15 million a quarter, for 60 million a year. To be honest though I could see them making 20 million for launch just to try to deal with the weeks of out of stock issues they have had in the past.

Your 60 million is way too conservative.
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Unions. Yours is also not the only box on the truck.

I thought FedEx was non-union.
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To try and stop you. But I realize it's futile....

I read nothing trollish about his reply to me. He made a sound rebuttal and offered a link that backs up his position. That's exactly the kind of discourse I expect from this forum.

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