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Multiple manufacturers have independently indicated that Apple is planning to shrink its 30-pin dock connector to a 19-pin port in the next iPhone, according to a new report.

Though rumors of an upcoming "mini dock" connector for Apple's next-generation iOS devices have swirled for some time now, TechCrunch on Wednesday offered the most confident claim yet about Apple's plans for it by reporting that it had "independently verified" and "confirmed" the company is prepping a smaller 19-pin port for inclusion on its next iPhone.

According to the report, three independent manufacturers said Apple was working on the connector, adding that accessory makers are currently in limbo as they wait for Apple to officially announce the new standard, which will presumably be incompatible with current accessories. The new port would reportedly come close in size to the Thunderbolt port found on Apple's newest Macs, but it is not expected to have the same "pin-out."

Author John Biggs added that a purported video of the next-generation iPhone that surfaced earlier this month partially showed the new connector. That video appeared to show a sixth-generation iPhone metal back plate component with a smaller dock port.



The main reason for the new port is believed to be Apple's continual quest to free up space in its mobile devices. The dock connector was first introduced in 2003 in the third-generation iPod. The advent of iCloud and wireless syncing has also reduced user reliance on the dock connector.

At the least, Apple is hiring engineers to work on new iPod connectors. Late last month, the company posted job listings for design engineers who would help manage "multiple connector designs and developments."
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Late last month, the company posted job listings for design engineers who would help manage "multiple connector designs and developments."

 

Wow! Those new engineers worked FAST! 

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What happened with Apple supposably using a standard USB connector a while back?

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What happened with Apple supposably using a standard USB connector a while back?

Did anyone actually believe they'd do that?
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Did anyone actually believe they'd do that?

Sounded like it was possible a couple years back in Europe.

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Sounded like it was possible a couple years back in Europe.

Some people foolishly contorted the universal charging solution to mean Apple would put a micro-USB port on all their portable devices.

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Some people foolishly contorted the universal charging solution to mean Apple would put a micro-USB port on all their portable devices.

And some people foolishly proclaimed that Apple would never put an HDMI port on a MBP. Ever.
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And some people foolishly proclaimed that Apple would never put an HDMI port on a MBP. Ever.

If you're implying I said that with your off topic comment then prove it. I still stand by my desire to not have it there over a 3rd USB port but that is not the same as saying Apple would never do something, especially since they've already done it in their Mac mini which seems just as likely to be connected to an HDTV since OS X no longer has Front Row.

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The 30-pin dock was great while it lasted.  However, all the pins are no longer needed.

 

When it first came, it didn't use every pin.  When firewire was dropped, so can be the pins FW used to use.

 

Based on this pinout, there are also some pins no longer needed: http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml

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What would you use all 3 USB ports for?

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The 30-pin dock was great while it lasted.  However, all the pins are no longer needed.

When it first came, it didn't use every pin.  When firewire was dropped, so can be the pins FW used to use.

Based on this pinout, there are also some pins no longer needed: http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml

I'm counting 8 specifically for FW and nothing else. That brings it down to 22 without even considering other changes that I assume would be possible a decade later.

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If you're implying I said that with your off topic comment then prove it. I still stand by my desire to not have it there over a 3rd USB port but that is not the same as saying Apple would never do something, especially since they've already done it in their Mac mini which seems just as likely to be connected to an HDTV since OS X no longer has Front Row.

Oh pleez, for years you swore up and down that the mini display port was the best thing invented since sliced bread and to use an adaptor and an HDMI port was soo non Apple only used by crappy Sony etal.
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Oh pleez, for years you swore up and down that the mini display port was the best thing invented since sliced bread and to use an adaptor and an HDMI port was soo non Apple only used by crappy Sony teal.

You're probably confusing him with me. I often said that HDMI is a TV port and Mini DisplayPort is a computer port.

Two worlds, two different purposes, two distinct ports. For a reason. I don't at all get why Apple put an HDMI port on their laptops. One wonders if they even want to sell the Apple TV at all.

Maybe they make more money on the Apple HDMI Cable than they do on the Apple TV. But wireless is a still FAR better solution than wired, so that theory doesn't make much sense.
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Oh pleez, for years you swore up and down that the mini display port was the best thing invented since sliced bread and to use an adaptor and an HDMI port was soo non Apple only used by crappy Sony etal.

1) Since sliced bread? I tend not to speak in pointless idioms.

2) Yes, I've said DisplayPort was better than HDMI as you were calling for mDP connector to be removed in favour of solely supporting HDMI. As it's been shown repeatedly DP if far superior to HDMI's capabilities.

3) I've never said Sony was crappy. It's amazing after all these years your reading comprehension is still so poor.

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You're probably confusing him with me.
He's clearly confused but it's not about the forum members. He makes foolish comments without thinking and I've called him out on them too many times. What he's confused by is how I can I have an opinion or position on a topic and not state it as an unwavering fact. That entire concept evades him.
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I often said that HDMI is a TV port and Mini DisplayPort is a computer port.
Two worlds, two different purposes, two distinct ports. For a reason. I don't at all get why Apple put an HDMI port on their laptops.
That's been my position as well. Him and his ilk have been calling for the replacement of every computer display port for HDMI. No middle ground. Apple has found a middle ground with the RMBP and the Mac mini before it. On the Mac mini there are 4 USB ports, which would suit me well, but on the new RMBP there are now 3 display out ports. I would have at least liked to have had a $29 TB-to-USB3.0 adapter. I don't care for Apple's choice here but it's there choice to make. That said, I might be bypassing the RMBP altogether if they offer a Retina iMac in the not to distance future.
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As it's been shown repeatedly DP if far superior to HDMI's capabilities.

Right- so now Apple has a comprehension deficiency interpreting data and providing HDMI all of a sudden.
Talk about a lack of comprehension. Or is it misguided stubbornness on you part ?
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Right- so now Apple has a comprehension deficiency interpreting data and providing HDMI all of a sudden.
Talk about a lack of comprehension. Or is it misguided stubbornness on you part ?

Do you think before you post? Apple hasn't removed DisplayPort from their machines. It's a part of every Mac they sell.


PS: You've sufficiently jacked the thread with your nonsense. Looks like someone made today's quota.

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Oh pleez, for years you swore up and down that the mini display port was the best thing invented since sliced bread and to use an adaptor and an HDMI port was soo non Apple only used by crappy Sony etal.

 

Should be relatively easy to provide some proof of his posts then?

 

Interesting to see that somebody with a username created only in March 2012 would refer to comments made years back.

 

You been forced to change usernames once or twice for some reason? ;-)

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Apple hasn't removed DisplayPort from their machines. It's a part of every Mac they sell.

Much to your dismay an HDMI port is there instead of a 3rd USB yet you insist a USB would never hit the iPhone/iPad. Enough of your drek.
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What would you use all 3 USB ports for?

Lol- did you really have to ask him that? Can't you too comprehend his every flippant thought?
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You been forced to change usernames once or twice for some reason? ;-)
I think it's been a lot more than once or twice.

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Much to your dismay an HDMI port is there instead of a 3rd USB yet you insist a USB would never hit the iPhone/iPad. Enough of your drek.
Now I've insisted USB would never hit the iPhone/iPad yet that is how they charge and sync for about 9 years now since they released a Windows-capable version? Makes perfect sense¡

Oh, you mean, the silly theory that they'll add a micro-USB to the side of the iPhone in addition to the 30-pin connector that supports USB? Yeah, I've clearly stated I don't think that will happen. I've also clearly stated that the goal was to reduce incompatible chargers not to force every mobile device to support micro-USB on the device.

Note: I use terms like "I don't think" and "It's unlikely." Rarely do I ever use extreme absolutes that you're so fond of not only using but attributing to others which I assume is mostly due to your lack of objectivity, closed-mindedness, and poor reading comprehension.

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Note: I use terms like "I don't think" and "It's unlikely." Rarely do I ever use extreme absolutes that you're so fond of not only using but attributing to others which I assume is mostly due to your lack of objectivity, closed-mindedness, and poor reading comprehension.


Lol- tell us more about yourself- we're all dying to hear. These self analytical diatribes are more hysterical than any Bravo reality series.
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I think Apple is crazy if they do this. I have multiple speakers and alarm radios that use the existing plug for my multiple idevices. To abandon multi Apple device users like myself to get a tiny bit of space back is just crazy, it will impact my decision on whether to go to iphone5. Steve Jobs would not have done something this stupid! 

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I think Apple is crazy if they do this. I have multiple speakers and alarm radios that use the existing plug for my multiple idevices. To abandon multi Apple device users like myself to get a tiny bit of space back is just crazy…

$10 adapter. Boom. The only crazy thing here is people claiming Apple should ignore the future and keep the same port.
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Steve Jobs would not have done something this stupid! 

This is getting extraordinarily old, particularly since one of the highlights of his entire career was doing this. Dozens of times. To every product they make, reshaping the entire industry every single time.

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Aside: It's interesting… You're online, but… …Interesting.
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Sounded like it was possible a couple years back in Europe.

 

that was due to legal issues. Apple got them to agree to letting them keep the DC so long as they gave folks in Europe a free adapter to use with their standardized power cables to recharge their phones. 

 

personally I think at some point they likely will reduce the dock connector but not until wifi syncing and/or thunderbolt adoption is way more wide spread. 

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I think Apple is crazy if they do this. I have multiple speakers and alarm radios that use the existing plug for my multiple idevices. To abandon multi Apple device users like myself to get a tiny bit of space back is just crazy, it will impact my decision on whether to go to iphone5. Steve Jobs would not have done something this stupid! 

 

Simple adapter should do it. Not a big deal. I've got an RMBP on order that uses MagSafe 2 and 2 adapters to make my TB display and spare charger compatible. Bit ugly, but hardly the end of the world.

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Looks very legit.
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Thunderbolt: a single connection to rule them all. Soon on iOS besides the current Mac. REVOLUTIONARY!
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Uh, yeah - I had the 12v to 5v adapter for my older car interface and it was a hot, heavy POS that constantly fell out of the 30 pin connectors. I have to agree that his would be Ill-advised. It also removes a selling point of iPhone over an Android phone.

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For those who listen to Mac Break Weekly I agree with Andy Ihnatko.  I'm all for moving forward with a design as long as it is adding some form of functionality.  For example, the need to potentially carry a dongle for the new MBP to be able to use an extra $80 power I have at home, then a $30 adapter for when I'm on the road and somewhere with no Wi-Fi, is a pain in the a$$.  Especially when its done to save a mm or two.  When it's all said and done it's still a freaking 15" laptop.  What's all that inconvenience give me?  The ability to shove a few extra papers in to my laptop bag?  Sorry not worth it.

 

There are millions of existing accessories out there for the 30-pin.  It'll be a huge inconvenience and expense for the next 2-3 years for every one who owns an iPad, iPhone, iPod.  If the rumors are true I hope the design is for a super secret feature yet to be named....

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$10 adapter. Boom. The only crazy thing here is people claiming Apple should ignore the future and keep the same port.

 

How convenient and pretty to have to move around another mandatory proprietary adapter to put on top of your existing third parties devices, so great. Never ever could they have at least evolved toward a dock using industry ubiquitous and standard ports like microUSB, god forbids.

 

edit: moreover even less open, "the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories."

cf. http://www.slashgear.com/new-iphone-port-tipped-to-lock-out-unlicensed-accessories-21235103/


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moreover even less open, "the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories."

cf. http://www.slashgear.com/new-iphone-port-tipped-to-lock-out-unlicensed-accessories-21235103/

 

You link to an article about the possibility of a magnetic connector on the next iPhone and you moan about the technology changing?  I suppose you still listen to cassette tapes and watch video tapes?

 

Some people always find something to moan about

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How convenient and pretty to have to move around another mandatory proprietary adapter to put on top of your existing third parties devices, so great. Never ever could they have at least evolved toward a dock using industry ubiquitous and standard ports like microUSB, god forbids. ...

 

This is just crazy talk.  

 

It's impossible to replace the 30 pin connector with microUSB or Firewire or any of the "standard" ports.  Apple would have to put 3 ports on it instead of one and there wouldn't be room for that.  If they had gone with just one connector and eschewed all the missing compatibility, they would have had to change it over the years from Firewire to USB to USB 2 to USB 3 anyway and nothing would be compatible with anything else from the start.  At lead with the 30 pin connector we've had ten years of compatibility with no adapters.  The very thing you are complaining about is actually enabled by the technology you are dissing here.  

 

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... even less open, "the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories."

cf. http://www.slashgear.com/new-iphone-port-tipped-to-lock-out-unlicensed-accessories-21235103/

 

 

Any decent high speed data cable has a "chip" in the cable and/or in the devices it connects to.  Firewire works because the chip is mandated in each firewire compatible device for instance.  Thunderbolt puts the chip in the cable.  

 

You don't seem to know much about what you are criticising here. 

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This is just crazy talk.

 

It's impossible to replace the 30 pin connector with microUSB or Firewire or any of the "standard" ports.  Apple would have to put 3 ports on it instead of one and there wouldn't be room for that.  If they had gone with just one connector and eschewed all the missing compatibility, they would have had to change it over the years from Firewire to USB to USB 2 to USB 3 anyway and nothing would be compatible with anything else from the start.  At lead with the 30 pin connector we've had ten years of compatibility with no adapters.  The very thing you are complaining about is actually enabled by the technology you are dissing here.  

 

 

I don't understand why they need so many pins anyway. I know at some point there was an HDMI adapter which probably used a few, however I doubt many people use that, especially now that we have Airplay. Every time I plug my iOS device into a charger or a computer the other end is always USB anyway so why do they need anything more than USB on the other end. Apple can do absolutely anything with just USB including completely replacing the entire OS. What exactly do they do with the other pins?

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For those who listen to Mac Break Weekly I agree with Andy Ihnatko.  I'm all for moving forward with a design as long as it is adding some form of functionality.  For example, the need to potentially carry a dongle for the new MBP to be able to use an extra $80 power I have at home, then a $30 adapter for when I'm on the road and somewhere with no Wi-Fi, is a pain in the a$$.  Especially when its done to save a mm or two.  When it's all said and done it's still a freaking 15" laptop.  What's all that inconvenience give me?  The ability to shove a few extra papers in to my laptop bag?  Sorry not worth it.

There are millions of existing accessories out there for the 30-pin.  It'll be a huge inconvenience and expense for the next 2-3 years for every one who owns an iPad, iPhone, iPod.  If the rumors are true I hope the design is for a super secret feature yet to be named....

I agree, Apple would be filling in one of its moats by changing the dock connector. The ability to reuse your accessories with multiple devices is a tremendous incentive to stick with an iOS device in the future. For example, I'm still using the Apple Universal Dock I bought with my long gone iPod Video, and I have a iHealth blood pressure dock that I have used with my iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.

And I just got my Elevation Dock, dammit! =)
Edited by rasimo - 6/21/12 at 8:59am
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the new power connector will have a chip on both ends of the cable, giving Apple total control and leaving device manufacturers unable to make unlicensed third-party accessories.

I love that you think this is somehow a bad thing.
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Agree. Using thunderbolt should be nice and equip the latest iPhone with ultra fast flash memory ...
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Agree. This should be nice and equip the latest iPhone with ultra fast flash memory …

You know, that's the only thing I ever hear as an excuse for why there shouldn't be Thunderbolt pins on the new port. "The NAND chips can't write fast enough"… SO MAKE FASTER NAND CHIPS! My stars, we're supposed to be held back because of that? NO; this is how you move forward. You don't say, "Well, it can't be taken advantage of now, so we may as well not do it," because then the chip makers say, "Well, the port can't go any faster than this, so there's no sense in making chips that can write that fast."
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An Italian site has an interesting take on the dock change. They suggest it will allow for Apple's needed pins but also be backwards compatible with micro-USB for chargers. They also suggest that the movement of the stereo jack could be for an adapter that would allow current docks to work with the new design.


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PS: Gizmodo doesn't mention it but I'd say audio would still go through the dock port with the stereo jack only providing support for the adapter.
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An Italian site has an interesting take on the dock change. They suggest it will allow for Apple's needed pins but also be backwards compatible with micro-USB for chargers. They also suggest that the movement of the stereo jack could be for an adapter that would allow current docks to work with the new design.

Now there's an idea. And it explains the movement of the 3.5mm jack (though if that's the only reason for the move, I'll be somewhat upset).
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I bet having the jack on the bottom is for FaceTime calls. I generally have headphones on when talking to the wife and son, the cord is usually in the way because I often flip back and forth with the cameras. Plus the cord is always in the way when taking pictures and listening to something at the same time.
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