'iPhone 5,' 'iPad mini' among 8 new Apple products coming before end of 2012 - Page 2

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Originally Posted by Mynameisjoe 

WiFi in the iPod nano. That's interesting. Guess you'll be able to sync it with iCloud.

 

Of course what would be really interesting is if they brought Siri to it. An internet connection would make that a possibility and the ability to operate such a small product with voice would be very useful. Although the need to be within range of a WiFi network is a serious limitation.

I got a free nano to replace the one that had the possibility of catching fire (2 years after I bought it).  I bought a watchband case and gave it to my youngest grandson -- an amazing device.

So, they may add WiFi... Next thing you know they'll add a cell radio and, we'll finally have arrived at this idea from the 1950's:

BTW, Dick Tracy's wrist radio had a wire as an external antenna that ran up his arm and was taped to his skin  :)

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Originally Posted by AjitMD 

Apple should have focussed in bringing different models of the iPhone.  That where the money is.  They should have kept the same aspect ratio and produced 4.0-4.5", 4.5-5" versions, in addition to the 3.5" version.  Just 1 color to simplify inventory and only 2 memory choices.  The smartphone market is huge and different people want different sizes.  They boxy design in uncomfortable to hold... need something ergonomic and easy to hold like the 3GS model.  

 

Apple is not going to win in the courthouse, unless they can deliver a knock-out blow to Google/Android - not likely.  At worst, Google will pay a multi-billion fine and modify Android so as not to infringe.  Meanwhile, Samsung comes up with new models before the courts can even deal with the old models.  

 

Apple has to innovate to compete with the entire Android value chain.  They take 1+ years to come with a new iPhone model and they look like the old iPhone!!!  Management is becoming are too fat, dumb and happy now.

That's probably the worst idea I've ever heard in my life. And your definition of 'innovating to compete' is to spam the market with as many screensizes as possible? Really? That's innovation to you? 1 new phone a year is working out fantastically for Apple, regardless of what messageboards will tell you, as well as for consumers, who aren't overloaded with new models every couple months and can have some confidence when making a purchasing decision and predictable upgrade cycles. Apple does not need to compete with the 'entire Android value chain'- they never have, and they never will. You can find $50-$100 Android phones. You ant them to compete with that? Why? When have they done this in the desktop, laptop, or tablet space? Also, management is becoming too 'fat, dumb, and happy' because they release 1 new iPhone/year? Yeah, I hear ya. I pine for the good old days when SJ was in charge and we got 5 new iPhones a year. He'd be rolling in his grave if he knew about this once a year non-sense. 

You clearly have no understanding of Apples business model, logistics, supply chain efficiency, clarity, and the factors that make them so successful if you believe what you're saying. 

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Originally Posted by charlituna 

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Originally Posted by kjf77 

Where is the Mac Mini in all of this??  The current one is well over a year old and needs a refresh too.  On top of that B&H Photo has constrained availability on some models lately.
 

Quiet update

I'm wondering about the whole Apple TV thing, the Cinema Displays etc.

Yeah, I kinda' expected/hoped for an iMac 27" update in August...  Also, FCP X should be about ready to drop a new version -- and that would be a good tie-in to a new iMac or a new Mini.

If the new iPhone gets a new A6 SOC, I hope they will upgrade the iPad 3 -- or add a new high-end model.

I could see all of this happening.

The iPad getting a new dock seems feasible- nothing else changes and it sells the same.

The iPhone is a given

The iPod nano and Touch are obviously overdue and could be the same time as the iPhone

The iPad Mini is absolutely a possibility

And the iMacs (and mini) should be here soon too- although I dont know why the 21.5 and 27" are at different times.

The 13" rMBP seems the most far fetched- I'd see a mini before that.

I think the iMacs and Minis get a tiny upgrade- ivy bridge, gpu, 1666 vs 1333 ram as a silent announcement on iPhone day, and the 2 iPods get their refreshes there too- both being 2 years out from refresh.  Thats 5 right there.  If the iPad is going to get the new dock- it'd happen at the same time as well.

Separate event for the iPad mini in October- and that's that.  If the iMacs didnt get silent release on iPhone day, they will here.

One can hope...

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Originally Posted by rjbruce 

Apple TV (set top) update?

That's an interesting thought... they could give the AppleTV the ability to play games... likely require a new model with more power (GPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, Thunderbolt).  If they could keep the same form factor and get the price at $149-$249, they might have a winner.

Also, several of these little boxes could be daisy-chained together and attached to an iMac -- to be used as a transcode/analyze/render farm for FCP X video editing...  I believe that FCP X is designed so that background processing can be done on external devices.  FCP X already lets you edit while video is being ingested, transcoded, analyzed and rendered in the background.  For example, you edit clips while the original is being transcoded... as each clip completes, the transcoded media is seamlessly substituted for the original -- incorporating any edits.

A capability like this could revolutionize video editing!

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Originally Posted by Harbinger 

Is it? Do you have a source for that?

Good catch. My memory failed me from what was said during the last earnings call. Here is the actual quote from Tim Cook:

I remembered it backwards. What I can't quite interpret from his reference to "1 million units" if he was referring to total iPad units, just iPad 2, or just the new iPad.

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Originally Posted by Brian Jojade 

I'm not sure how the retinal display MacBook Pro is going to be priced at $1100.  The current unit starts at $1199.  In the 15", the entry unit is $1799, but the entry retina is $2199.  If the retina 13" comes in at $1100, that would mean Apple would have to severely drop the price of the 15".  It would be hard to justify paying double the price for a machine 2 inches bigger.

I think the 13" Retina MBP will be priced at $1,499 and $1,799.  This would be consistent with pricing of the 15" RMBP.  The question is: Will Apple continue to sell 3 lines of 13" - Regular, Air and Retina?  We will just have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer 

No new Mac mini or Mac Pro, when this is technically the first quarter of 2013 for Apple?

 

The Retina Display 27" will force Apple to put an AMD 7000 series GPGPU in the Mini and that level in the Mac Pro or the option of an equivalent Nvidia box leaving the Intel 4000 out of the picture. For it to be a true 4K panel the only GPGPU that supports that is from AMD starting with the 7750 and up.

Ahh... The 27" Display, not the 27" iMac gets Retina [first]... That makes a lot of sense as it gives better pricing options and eases supply/demand issues.

According to Michael Cioni, the latest/greatest video editing is being done on 5K for 4K -- where they overshoot 25% and then trim to 4K.  FCP X is 4K capable.

What do you think would be the cost of the Retina Display 27" that you describe?

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Originally Posted by Harbinger 

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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff 

 

 

Retina Cinema is likely the gating factor.  they've got to get the iMac's and Mac Pro out first and a RD display.  The mini is that uber niche product (people too small to need a Mac Pro, too 'PCified' to go with the iMac, or likely have a MacBookAir/Pro for 'most of their computing) so I can see why they will tail end the update.

What's a Retina Camera?

Watch this -- it is very informative and enjoyable -- this guy is good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qztrb9arZl4

I don't see how they are still quoting September 12th as the date, doesn't apple always send invited 2 weeks prior to an event? I think the mini is a good size for kids. I love my New ipad and use it everyday. Considering the price of an ipod touch though, $299.99 for 32 gib or $399.99 for an Ipad 2 16 gb, maybe it will come in at $349.99 if it does I would probably buy one for my daughter.

Personally, I will be ecstatic when Apple begins updating to 802.11ac Wi-Fi.  I plan to immediately replace my AirPort Extreme Base Station, purchase a new Time Capsule and likely a new Mac or two.  An iPhone with 802.11ac Wi-Fi and LTE Advanced would be incredible as well.  In my opinion, this level of ultra-fast ubiquitous, persistent connectivity with 20 nm process technology may make wearable computing a reality.

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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro 

Personally, I will be ecstatic when Apple begins updating to 802.11ac Wi-Fi.  I plan to immediately replace my AirPort Extreme Base Station, purchase a new Time Capsule and likely a new Mac or two.  An iPhone with 802.11ac Wi-Fi and LTE Advanced would be incredible as well.  In my opinion, this level of ultra-fast ubiquitous, persistent connectivity with 20 nm process technology may make wearable computing a reality.

 

Yeah, that's another thing that seems to have fallen through the cracks.  Apple is usually among the first to offer new WiFi technology... but not this time... wonder why?

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Originally Posted by Hopeless 

I would love it if there was a "one more thing ..." at the September event. How about beating Google Glasses to the punch? I know, that's probably dreaming, but it would be pretty fantastic.

Well, it's kind of impossible to "beat Google to the punch" as they always bring products to market long before they are useful or saleable.  

Google has already beaten Apple to the punch with "Google glasses" but no one actually wants to buy a pair.  Five or ten years from now when the product is useful and desirable, Apple will probably make the definitive model.  The same thing happened in laptops (Netbooks), and in tablets (Microsoft had crappy tablets for years before Apple), and almost every other product category you care to mention. 

Google glasses are in fact hardly any different at all from the state of the same technology about five years ago.  They aren't really any smaller or better quality or anything.  Just as the geeks in 1998 were completely mistaken about this technology being "just around the corner" then, Google is similarly mistaken now.  When people actually want this product, Apple will make one.  

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Originally Posted by AjitMD 

Apple should have focussed in bringing different models of the iPhone.  That where the money is.  They should have kept the same aspect ratio and produced 4.0-4.5", 4.5-5" versions, in addition to the 3.5" version.  Just 1 color to simplify inventory and only 2 memory choices.  The smartphone market is huge and different people want different sizes.  They boxy design in uncomfortable to hold... need something ergonomic and easy to hold like the 3GS model.  

 

Apple is not going to win in the courthouse, unless they can deliver a knock-out blow to Google/Android - not likely.  At worst, Google will pay a multi-billion fine and modify Android so as not to infringe.  Meanwhile, Samsung comes up with new models before the courts can even deal with the old models.  

 

Apple has to innovate to compete with the entire Android value chain.  They take 1+ years to come with a new iPhone model and they look like the old iPhone!!!  Management is becoming are too fat, dumb and happy now.

Thanks for the advice, but with its top-selling line-up that is worth a market cap of at least $300B just by itself (see a superb valuation analysis of the iPhone franchise here: http://aswathdamodaran.blogspot.com/2012/08/apples-crown-jewel-valuing-iphone.html) I am sure Apple knows what it is doing.

802.11ac/d, nothin'! I still want 802.22. I don't care if it means that "I'll see 1-20 thousand Wi-Fi networks in the dropdown because everyone's connectable from 50 miles away"; all I care about is my own network (so I'll set it invisible and connect to only that) and the best tech that would allow me access to it from however far. 

iPod nano becomes simply iPod, gaining new connectivity, in particular, BT 4.0 (Internet access can be gained through iPhone/iPad).

iPod shuffle, classic and touch discontinued.

iPad mini introduced (or new iPod touch; doesn't really matter what they call it, but I do think iPod touch is sort of outdated considering iPod nano has touch.)

I'm not a huge fan of something between 3.5 and 10-inches, but it seems like a good business move in some ways.

I find it unlikely that Apple will release a NEW new iPad in October just to change the charging cord.  That's really un-Apple like.  They usually just wait until the next release for that kind of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum 

 

That's an interesting thought... they could give the AppleTV the ability to play games... likely require a new model with more power (GPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, Thunderbolt).  If they could keep the same form factor and get the price at $149-$249, they might have a winner.

 

you can already play games on the aTV if you have another iOS device, it's called "Mirroring".

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee 

It makes much more sense to me for it to focus on connecting to your phone seamlessly with Bluetooth and using the communications capabilities on the phone.  

I disagree. If you have an iPhone with you, you don’t need an iPod nano—an iPhone can do everything just as well. iPod nano is all about stand-alone use. So I don’t think Bluetooth connection is that important.

On the other hand, Wi-Fi is necessary to complete the post-PC strategy. You’ll be buying songs on any device you want (e.g. iPad) with the iPod nano automatically downloading them from your iTunes account. (Without a wireless connection, you’d need a Camera Connection Kit for that.)

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider 

Ok, this graph makes no sense to me.

Why would Apple release the 21" and 27" iMac a month apart?  They released all the MBs at a single event.

The likelyhood of a 13" rMBP (IMO) would not be for a while.  Unless the sales have been through the roof on the 15", which i gather it hasn't.

Personally, I think the iPhone event will only be about the iPhone, nothing else.

However, now that they have leaked the shit out of the next iPhone, it is quite possible that a "one more thing" is in order...just to throw a curve at the press.

If there is no "OMT" in September, I see all the iPod stuff happening in October at the normal Music-related Apple event.  iPod Touch, updated iPods and possibly the iPad Mini.

And if they refresh any of the PC's  That will be late October, all at once.

Does anyone else recall how the iPad 1 was rumored for months and months to be released in October 2009.  Everyone was positive 100% it would be released just before X-mas.  And it disappointed all the analysts and the press for months until then when it was announced in Jan 2010, and released in April 2010.

Just sayin'

Originally Posted by antkm1 
Does anyone else recall how the iPad 1 was rumored for months and months to be released in October 2009.  Everyone was positive 100% it would be released just before X-mas.  And it disappointed all the analysts and the press for months until then when it was announced in Jan 2010, and released in April 2010.

 

Just sayin'

Just like they pushed back the iPhone nano and iPad mini for years… 

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

802.11ac/d, nothin'! I still want 802.22. I don't care if it means that "I'll see 1-20 thousand Wi-Fi networks in the dropdown because everyone's connectable from 50 miles away"; all I care about is my own network (so I'll set it invisible and connect to only that) and the best tech that would allow me access to it from however far. 

Nope, 802.23; because that would be one more thing.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

Just like they pushed back the iPhone nano and iPad mini for years… 

well, the iPOD mini wasn't released until 3 years after the first iPod.  And it seems that, historically, the major new products are announced in (Jan/Feb).

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Originally Posted by antkm1 

I find it unlikely that Apple will release a NEW new iPad in October just to change the charging cord.  That's really un-Apple like.  They usually just wait until the next release for that kind of stuff.

Except they probably intend on keeping it around after the next iPad release as a second tier option. For example they quietly updated the cpu in the iPad 2 even after the iPad 3 came out. I think Apple is developing a slightly different strategy with iPad than they did with iPhone, partly because iPhone is subsidized but also because the second tier iPad needs to continue to run the most current education apps since that is one of the primary target markets for the reduced price device.

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee 

I'm still not sold on the iPod nano getting Wi-Fi.  

 

The entire housing is metal, and the screen has metal shielding behind it.  It's basically a tiny metal box, the absolute worst possible form factor for Wi-Fi reception.  It's also so small that even if they find a way to put an antenna inside that actually has some reception, it's likely to lose that reception as it moves around the Wi-Fi zone in that it would be much more susceptible to skip and interference from even small metallic objects in the room with it.  

Faraday cage*

They could easily include a wifi chip, simply put it where ever there is room for it, and put the antenna in the headphone jack.

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Originally Posted by Mynameisjoe 

WiFi in the iPod nano. That's interesting. Guess you'll be able to sync it with iCloud.

 

Of course what would be really interesting is if they brought Siri to it. An internet connection would make that a possibility and the ability to operate such a small product with voice would be very useful. Although the need to be within range of a WiFi network is a serious limitation.

No, Apple won't include Siri, having it available one minute and not the next? it'd drive customers insane and they'd HATE apple for it.

Originally Posted by marcusj0015 
No, Apple won't include Siri, having it available one minute and not the next? it'd drive customers insane and they'd HATE apple for it.

Is that just mocking the generic old belief of that? Because the iPad 3 gets Siri. Unless they're blocking it on the Wi-Fi models, the above doesn't apply anymore.

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Originally Posted by rjbruce 

Apple TV (set top) update?

Dude, the Apple TV third gen just came out a few months ago, there's not much need for any more power in that...

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Originally Posted by AjitMD 

Apple should have focussed in bringing different models of the iPhone.  That where the money is.  They should have kept the same aspect ratio and produced 4.0-4.5", 4.5-5" versions, in addition to the 3.5" version.  Just 1 color to simplify inventory and only 2 memory choices.  The smartphone market is huge and different people want different sizes.  They boxy design in uncomfortable to hold... need something ergonomic and easy to hold like the 3GS model.  

 

Apple is not going to win in the courthouse, unless they can deliver a knock-out blow to Google/Android - not likely.  At worst, Google will pay a multi-billion fine and modify Android so as not to infringe.  Meanwhile, Samsung comes up with new models before the courts can even deal with the old models.  

 

Apple has to innovate to compete with the entire Android value chain.  They take 1+ years to come with a new iPhone model and they look like the old iPhone!!!  Management is becoming are too fat, dumb and happy now.

What is with all the iPhone guys saying Apple should abandon every non iOS device Apple makes?! Dude, just shut your damn mouth, you don't even know what you're talking about. *sigh*

Where's the Macmini on there? I hope they don't forget about that. 

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Originally Posted by mstone 

Except they probably intend on keeping it around after the next iPad release as a second tier option. For example they quietly updated the cpu in the iPad 2 even after the iPad 3 came out. I think Apple is developing a slightly different strategy with iPad than they did with iPhone, partly because iPhone is subsidized but also because the second tier iPad needs to continue to run the most current education apps since that is one of the primary target markets for the reduced price device.

the iPad 2 always had the dual core A5 chip, it has never seen an update, unless by update you mean updating it to the iPad (3rd gen).

My prediction contrary to the defending two events.Posted imageA single event, multiple releases and marketing department who come to care for the understanding of consumers.

The presentation of a MacBook retina 13" only complement the portfolio and therefore do not deserve to great fanfare. And if the iMac keeps updating the current design only internal components will certainly occur a quotation well in Keynote fast as Apple did with the MacBook Air and Mac Pro at WWDC 2012. The Mountain Lion is well presented to the world, so an event just for Macs think at this point makes no sense. Next year will make sense because there is the promise of a new Mac Pro, MacBook Air retina and an iMac with a new design, in short, yes there will be many new developments that justify a separate event.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum 

 

Yeah, I kinda' expected/hoped for an iMac 27" update in August...  Also, FCP X should be about ready to drop a new version -- and that would be a good tie-in to a new iMac or a new Mini.

 

If the new iPhone gets a new A6 SOC, I hope they will upgrade the iPad 3 -- or add a new high-end model.

I don't get why Apple would insist on the laminated display screen for the 27" iMac if the yields were not good. Even if the vendor is stuck with a fixed price contract for the component the lack of availability is a problem in terms of sales...aside from the fact that replacement costs are almost certainly higher.

What a lot of people want in the 13" MBP is a quad-core CPU, discreet graphics processor and anti-glare screen. Leave the optical drive in it so that it can be taken out to install a SSD and use the rotating drive for data storage.