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This whole thread just makes me sad.  People who buy magazines and watch cable TV are just idiots in my book.  

 

Advertisements are bad enough in and of themselves.  They are deceptive, not as creative as everyone thinks they are and their entire purpose is to fool you, annoy you, and otherwise twist your mind around.  

 

Magazines and Cable TV (in general) also have almost no original content, and magazines generally have no content at all that is more current than a few months ago.  Most of the content in both cases is also freely available elsewhere without advertisements.  In the case of cable TV, most of the content is many years old, was produced for pennies on the dollar and should actually be free since the creative minds that put it together are all long dead, and didn't even get paid more than a few dollars in their lifetimes for the stuff they made.  

 

Anyone who actually pays their own hard earned money for something that still has advertisements in it is just a complete and utter fool IMO.  Special scorn is reserved for those who buy "fashion" magazines where even the articles are in fact advertisements and the actual content falls to zero.

 

People are essentially paying for companies to lie to them, to fool them into buying something they don't need.  Idiots.  

 

The whole point is to 'not pay' for advertising, which is how the cable and sattelite industry screwed the nation. The idea is to get the content cheap and have the advertisers pay for all or most of it. It worked for years on over the air television and radio and it is a good model. It costs a lot of money to generate that content, and they should be paid, let the advertisers pay for it. Good business!

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Now that I am finding the level to which advertising is integrated it certainly makes the thing less compelling to me.

 

I certainly know some people won't find out about the ads until they've ran out and grabbed one for $199 thinking it was a steal.  Then they'll complain about the ads.

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The whole point is to 'not pay' for advertising, which is how the cable and sattelite industry screwed the nation. The idea is to get the content cheap and have the advertisers pay for all or most of it. It worked for years on over the air television and radio and it is a good model. It costs a lot of money to generate that content, and they should be paid, let the advertisers pay for it. Good business!

But remember the networks broadcast ota. Cable companies have to maintain a infrastructure. Yes advertisements pay for the content but getting that content to you is an additional cost.
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I have to disagree with you on cable tv. The best series being made today are all produced by cable channels. Network TV is crap in comparison.

Walking Dead, Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire, Hell on Wheels, Deadwood, Curb your Enthusiasm, Breaking Bad, The Wire and countless others...........

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I see that you like me can't do without HBO and AMC, and you forgot Game of Thrones.

I cut the cord and still have access to virtually every excellent television show without commercials for $7.99 per month via Netflix. For those very few television shows I want to see the next day I simply purchase from iTunes.

How many people realize that even mid-sized markets (Des Moines, IA or Little Rock, AR for example) offer a dozen or more channels over-the-air now?
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And here I thought that Amazon was actually interested in the User Experience. 

 

 

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Ok, I'm too smart to think that, but Amazon has had every *opportunity* to prove me wrong.  

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I see that you like me can't do without HBO and AMC, and you forgot Game of Thrones.

Damn, how could I have missed Game of Thrones? I love that series.

 

Unfortunately, Game of Thrones doesn't return until March 31, 2013!

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I cut the cord and still have access to virtually every excellent television show without commercials for $7.99 per month via Netflix. For those very few television shows I want to see the next day I simply purchase from iTunes.
How many people realize that even mid-sized markets (Des Moines, IA or Little Rock, AR for example) offer a dozen or more channels over-the-air now?

Netflix is alright too, I've been a subscriber for years. Netflix does have some decent stuff, but there are certain things that are not on Netflix at all, such as HBO series. The HBO GO app works very nicely on iPad, so does Cinemax GO.

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They have been selling service driven gadgets for 10 years. It is entirely possible he knows more than you.
Edit: Ok it was 5 years not 10. They still have some experience.

 

And you missed my point, but thanks for trying.  

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[" url="/t/152391/lock-home-screen-ads-aid-amazons-aggressive-pricing-of-kindle-fire-hd/80#post_2184722"]Netflix is alright too, I've been a subscriber for years. Netflix does have some decent stuff, but there are certain things that are not on Netflix at all, such as HBO series. The HBO GO app works very nicely on iPad, so does Cinemax GO.

Netflix DVD

While you may wait a year, there are not advertisements and the cost per month is similar to HBO with a much larger selection. The only channel of which I am aware that doesn't provide any programming to Amazon Instant or iTunes is CBS.

I will probably drop most of the few television shows I watch on iTunes as well. There are much more engaging activities.

I do miss cable news though.
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Maybe Samsung will feel inspired to use the idea. I can only hope.

Well, now that you've referred to it as an "idea", I think its a lock...

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I do miss cable news though.

 

News and Sports are the only reason I haven't cut the cable(well, on demand is nice too, but that more was more or less a response to online content anyways).  Everything else is more convenient to either watch online or wait for the DVD's

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Maybe there won't be any iPad mini after all. Just imagine it would sell for 299 USD with 1024x768 resolution and 16 GB storage. Who will buy it?

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Its already been confirmed that the advertising can be removed on these new kindles, so it really isn't a big deal...

Link?

The new Kindle Paperwhites (refers to screen technology, not color) can still be purchased without ads, like all the older Kindles, for a higher price,

but on the *new* Fire models, it isn't optional.  

 

They display full screen when you "sleep" (or "lock") the gadget, and in a lower screen corner when the gadget is in use...

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Maybe there won't be any iPad mini after all. Just imagine it would sell for 299 USD with 1024x768 resolution and 16 GB storage. Who will buy it?

 

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Lots of people.

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Moving on.

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But remember the networks broadcast ota. Cable companies have to maintain a infrastructure. Yes advertisements pay for the content but getting that content to you is an additional cost.

 

That's a good point, but still I think we're overpaying them for their infrastructure, especially since they 'bundle' a bunch of useless crap in their channels. While it 'work's for them, I think they are holding back the technology that allows you to get what you want with a more  ala carte type of purchase. I think that is the kind of thing Steve Jobs wanted to break, but iTunes and Apple TV alone will rarely generate the kind of revenue needed to produce quality TV shows. Maybe with a little ad revenue, they would be closer to approaching that kind of revenue even if it is streamed as opposed to sold. I think the internet is going to surplant their infrastructure. What I imagine will happen is that content creators will find a way through the web to get what they need. Already comedians are selling concerts for $5 and generating profitable revenues and then getting more from cable/OTA as a second level kind of thing. Let someone produce a drama or sitcom that way and then it will really be on. 

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The new Kindle Paperwhites (refers to screen technology, not color) can still be purchased without ads, like all the older Kindles, for a higher price,

but on the *new* Fire models, it isn't optional.  

 

They display full screen when you "sleep" (or "lock") the gadget, and in a lower screen corner when the gadget is in use...

 

 

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http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/07/amazon-confirms-yes-you-can-opt-out-of-ads-on-new-kindle-fire/

 

I have seen the error of my ways

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And no doubt these adverts will be rendered using your puny annual data cap. A data plan for suckers.
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And no doubt these adverts will be rendered using your puny annual data cap. A data plan for suckers.

 

Ah, I hadn't thought of that… 

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PS:  Still, I see many in this Apple-centric crowd underestimating Amazon.  Don't discount the Bezos.  People say the company doesn't "make money," but the stock's up over 12,0000% since the years ago IPO.  Somebody's doing something right.  And Amazon may yet prove the most formidable competitor to AAPL in the tablet space.  

Amazon's EPS is crap though. Their margins do not justify their share price. High share price without fundamental numbers to back it up is what the lay people call a bubble. Keep in mind they have yet to give any figures at all on their Kindle division. They keep talking about the high sales volumes of Kindles, but they don't give any actual figures numbers, which sounds very 1999 bubble to me.

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http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/07/amazon-confirms-yes-you-can-opt-out-of-ads-on-new-kindle-fire/

I have seen the error of my ways

We'll see. The response they quote doesn't say what the article says. At best, the letter says they'll think about it.

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And no doubt these adverts will be rendered using your puny annual data cap. A data plan for suckers.

That data plan is better than what AT&T offers. Theirs is $15/mo for 250MB, which is $180/yr, Amazon's data plan is $50 for the year on a similar amount of data per month. Still images don't consume much data, banner ads are often 10-20k.
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Yes, because I am currently writing a dissertation that includes a detailed cost benefit analaysis of the Ad supported kindle vs the ad free kinde...  Oh wait, Im not doing that, I am posting in a forum.  But your right, I guess going forward we need to implement a quotation system for AI.  My preferred method is footnotes, but maybe AI will implement a standard citation system...

Another reason to take your posts seriously, I guess.

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And you missed my point, but thanks for trying.  

Fascinating response. You said.

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Who are these people you speak of, Jeff?  The ones who don't want gadgets?

I admire Jeff Bezos, he's a great entrepreneur.  But he's out of his league on this, I'm afraid.


You believe he is out of his league because he thinks consumers want devices that deliver services and not just devices that are devices. Maybe you had no point. I said he has quite a bit of experience figuring out what consumers want. I also suggested he was in a much better position than you were to know that.

What part of my response missed the point? There are maybe 5 people in the world that are likely to know as much as he does about what consumers want. If you think I missed the point, you should clarify it. How is he out of his league? What do you know that consumers don't? If you actually heard his statement you would realize it could have just as easily been uttered by Steve Jobs.

Perhaps you missed his point.
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We'll see. The response they quote doesn't say what the article says. The letter basically says they'll think about it.
 

 

 

"I understand that you would like to opt out of the special offer and willing to pay extra for opting out special offer. Options for unsubscribing special offer will be announced soon"

 

Maybe you and I are reading this differently, but they seems they are stating that the options will be announced soon.  I have no reason not to believe this, since the option has been offered on their other kindles.  Maybe they will suprise me, but it seems likely that they will have a one time expense to get rid of the advertising as they do with their other devices.

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The advertisements throughout Kindle's OS are advertised as a feature on Best Buy shelves.

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Edit: All right, Just_Me, if this is trolling, care to show pictures of Best Buy cards that don't show this? Or perhaps an intelligent, sourced argument as to why OS-level advertisements that cannot be removed or hidden are good? I'm willing to be shown that I'm wrong in not wanting to be spammed while using a device, and I'm willing to be shown that I'm wrong in wanting a device, too, but the latter will take some serious work. Amazon's deluded as all get out.

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So if they can get movies, books, Netflix, etc on a $199 Kindle Fire versus a $499 iPad, that's what they are going to buy, because all they care about are those services, not the shiny box it comes in.

 

 

I think that you underestimate the so called over 40 crowd, which you claim to know about. Plenty of older people use Apple's devices, and just because somebody is over 40, that doesn't mean that their senses, such as sight and feel, are not functioning anymore. I bet that even an average 80 year old person can tell the difference between the super fluid iPad and non responsive Android tablets.

 

How old was Steve Jobs when...

 

I was in the room when Steve said he didn't trust anyone over 30... I was 40 at the time.

 

Steve returned to Apple in 1996 -- at the age of 41...  Many say Steve's best work was done between the ages of 46 and 56 (2001-2011).

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So if they can get movies, books, Netflix, etc on a $199 Kindle Fire versus a $499 iPad, that's what they are going to buy, because all they care about are those services, not the shiny box it comes in.

 

 

I think that you underestimate the so called over 40 crowd, which you claim to know about. Plenty of older people use Apple's devices, and just because somebody is over 40, that doesn't mean that their senses, such as sight and feel, are not functioning anymore. I bet that even an average 80 year old person can tell the difference between the super fluid iPad and non responsive Android tablets.

 

How old was Steve Jobs when...

 

I was in the room when Steve said he didn't trust anyone over 30... I was 40 at the time.

 

Steve returned to Apple in 1996 -- at the age of 41...  Many say Steve's best work was done between the ages of 46 and 56 (2001-2011).

 

This, I believe, is much more a result of the market finally being ready for him then his best work. Apple computers were a fantastic consumer level breakthrough (particularly in ease of use and intuitiveness) compared to what existed beforehand, but the world just wasn't ready yet.

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Fascinating response. You said.
You believe he is out of his league because he thinks consumers want devices that deliver services and not just devices that are devices. Maybe you had no point. I said he has quite a bit of experience figuring out what consumers want. I also suggested he was in a much better position than you were to know that.
What part of my response missed the point? There are maybe 5 people in the world that are likely to know as much as he does about what consumers want. If you think I missed the point, you should clarify it. How is he out of his league? What do you know that consumers don't? If you actually heard his statement you would realize it could have just as easily been uttered by Steve Jobs.
Perhaps you missed his point.

 

 

:-)

 

I appreciate the laugh this late in the day, I needed it.  I'll try to explain myself a bit better, because I do have a point.  

 

I said he's out of his league because while I think he's a genius, and a great entrepreneur, he's facing some very strong headwinds going against Apple and Google, plus every other tablet maker out there.  I'm not arguing that Amazon will sell many, many of these.  I just don't agree with him (or Steve Jobs back in the day) standing up there telling me (the consumer) what I "don't need" or what I "don't want" and I suspect i speak for a lot of other consumers on that.

 

Again, I'll say for the 3rd time, he's a genius, I admire him, always have.  But Amazon is no Apple and will never be.  I sincerely hope I answered the question.  Cheers.

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How useful would Apple Insider be if it posted articles but never sourced the information or provided links?

 

Please think before you post.

Appleinsider is a news/rumors site, I am not(wasn't sure if you were aware).  Comparing a persons comment on a forum to an article on news site is rediculous. 

 

All i am saying is that for something that is really easy to find, consult google.  If it is some statistic/quote/etc where the detail is important, then provide a link.  Otherwise, the person asking for the link is being lazy.

 

 

The way I see it, is if a poster is asked to supply a link -- he probably should have supplied one in his original post --  humor/sarcasm aside.

 

The poster usually knows if his assertions are controversial or will be challenged... so it is just common courtesy to back them up.  Sometimes people post and cannot immediately find the correct sources (links) -- but state they will find them later and update or add a new post.  Often, others in the conversation will supply additional or missing links.

 

Kinda' the way you want people to treat you... and the way you should treat them in return.


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"I understand that you would like to opt out of the special offer and willing to pay extra for opting out special offer. Options for unsubscribing special offer will be announced soon"

Maybe you and I are reading this differently, but they seems they are stating that the options will be announced soon.  I have no reason not to believe this, since the option has been offered on their other kindles.  Maybe they will suprise me, but it seems likely that they will have a one time expense to get rid of the advertising as they do with their other devices.

I guess I missed that sentence.

That said, the story has been updated twice.
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Update 2: We've gotten in touch with Amazon ourselves, and they say that there's been a mix-up in support -- there won't be any opt-out choice. Sorry, folks. If you don't like ads, you'll have to hope there's a change of heart between now and launch.
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Gadgets subsidized with ads is relatively new, but ad subsidized products and services that are not new. Magazines, newspapers, cable & satellite TV come to mind. You pay for the product or service, and you still pay by ad exposure.

 

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But, what if he is right?
What if, instead of bombarding you with random ads, the OS and Amazon's servers could monitor your current interests and show you only [mostly] ads of interest -- helping [serving] you rather than spamming you?
Amazon's web site already tracks your interests, reminds you of them, and suggests other items that may be of interest to you.
Done properly, this could work as a personal shopper's assistant... Rather than a carnival barker!


I let a friend staying over for a week or so use my computer - THREE YEARS ago - and he browsed Amazon, the iTunes Store and other sites on my computer.  And I'm still getting recommendations for the products HE was interested in - none of which are of any interest to me. "Personal shopper's assistant" my sweet patootie.

It's also frightening to me sometimes (tho' occasionally hilarious) what gets placed in my gMail and facebook screens based on a few random words in some email, post or message. And the, yes, eye-catching electronic billboards on the interstates have come close to making me a dangerously distracted driver on more than one occasion of late.

But 99% of the time I've trained my eyes to simply ignore the constant "BUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUY" prompts we receive as we move through both the analog and virtual worlds......  ...making me luckier than some of my friends who get more distracted to either a) their consternation and botherment or b) their impending bankruptcies because they're driven by the marketing messages......

PS:  Still, I see many in this Apple-centric crowd underestimating Amazon.  Don't discount the Bezos.  People say the company doesn't "make money," but the stock's up over 12,0000% since the years ago IPO.  Somebody's doing something right.  And Amazon may yet prove the most formidable competitor to AAPL in the tablet space.  

 

I hear ya'...  

 

I said "done properly" -- and, I agree that Amazon doesn't meet that standard.  There should be a way to purge items that are no longer of interest.

 

Here's one from an email I received yesterday:

 

 

 

Maybe I can get my 16-year-old granddaughter to drive/chaperone me on a date :)

 

...been a long time since I needed a dueña!

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What's that so wrong about Kindle Fire's ads? It's not like iAds, that appear when using an app, just on lock and home screens, isn't that better?. And they seem to be high-quality, just like iAds too. As an iPad user, I wouldn't mind an enticing ad from time to time on my screen. Actually, it may lift some boredom or give some novelty to the day-to-day screen. And if that subsidizes $200 off the price, why would that make me feel a cheapskate? I still prefer an iPad 3, because I have more use to it than just consuming media or playing games, but for people like my parents or friends that would give a light use to it, I would certainly recommend them a Kindle Fire HD 8.9" ($299)
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The over 40 crowd are the true fans of Apple products. Most of the young whipper snappers never heard of Apple before the iPod.

I agree, how old do you think the people who grew up with Apple ]['s are today? And I'd also say that a young person is much more likely to buy some inferior, cheap, discounted Android device with ads. Youth unemployment is very high, and many young people are broke today.

 

Most people have money by the time that they're 40, and a hundred bucks here or there means nothing to them. Most people over 40 are also wiser than young kids, and I bet that many of them value quality over cheapness.

 

I would add to that... the current generation is much into entitlement and instant gratification.  Older generations, not so much.  My wife and I went years without dining room and bedroom furniture because we could not justify spending the price for what we wanted.. as did our parents.  

 

It was demonstrated to us by our parents:  "better to do without, than to buy shoddy".   In those days those people who had [trashy] everything, but obviously couldn't afford it -- they were called "filthy rich".


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Gadgets subsidized with ads is relatively new, but ad subsidized products and services that are not new. Magazines, newspapers, cable & satellite TV come to mind. You pay for the product or service, and you still pay by ad exposure.

 

Ads in magazines, newspapers and traditional TV are completely fine because they are not invading anyone's privacy (with or without permission).  For 50+ years those kinds of ads exist, and they are targeted at the demographic that is likely to be reading or viewing a particular type of content at that particular time.  No problem, it helped support free and cheap media for decades.

 

The big difference now is that these (borderline evil) companies are no longer satisfied with decent targeting, they want micro/personal-targeting, and that requires compiling the equivalent of electronic dossiers on hundreds of millions of (mostly unsuspecting) individual consumers.  And that information gets bought and sold in back channels.  Evil stuff.  Most people still think they are somewhat anonymous when they browse the net and are not signed into a particular service, but that's just not the case anymore.  Not to mention companies like Amazon have a complete track history of your purchases and probably most of what you've been browsing for as well.  That's just too much information to be trusted in the hands of ANY corporation.  It's guaranteed to be misused or abused at some point.

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I hear ya'...  

I said "done properly" -- and, I agree that Amazon doesn't meet that standard.  There should be a way to purge items that are no longer of interest.

Here's one from an email I received yesterday:

Maybe I can get my 16-year-old granddaughter to drive/chaperone me on a date 1smile.gif

...been a long time since I needed a dueña!

There is a way to remove items. Go to your account, "Your Recommendations" then "Your Browsing History" and you should see a list of items which you can delete. There is even a button for "Delete All Items".

You got that ad through Amazon? The worst I get is ads for partner clothing stores, though I never look at or buy clothes through Amazon.
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That said, the story has been updated twice.

 

If this ends up being final, then it is a huge mistake on Amazon's part.  I don't find the adds obtrusive on the Kindle Touch, but thats because I spend 99% of the time in a book.  The menu's only function for me is to load the next book(or occasionally purchases directly on the device).  On a tablet, this would not be the case.  The lockscreen advertising wouldn't bother me(I am assuming a static advertisement).  Seeing adds when I am switching apps, browsing, etc makes this seem, for lack of better words, cheap.

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I hear ya'...  

I said "done properly" -- and, I agree that Amazon doesn't meet that standard.  There should be a way to purge items that are no longer of interest.

Here's one from an email I received yesterday:

Maybe I can get my 16-year-old granddaughter to drive/chaperone me on a date 1smile.gif

...been a long time since I needed a dueña!

There is a way to remove items. Go to your account, "Your Recommendations" then "Your Browsing History" and you should see a list of items which you can delete. There is even a button for "Delete All Items".

You got that ad through Amazon? The worst I get is ads for partner clothing stores, though I never look at or buy clothes through Amazon.

 

Ahh... thanks for the info!  Often, the things I buy on Amazon are to fill a specific need or the need is perishable -- in that once satisfied, the need no longer exists.

 

No... I don't know where the sender got my email address...  But I am curious what the silhouetted model is wearing -- if anything.

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http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/07/amazon-confirms-yes-you-can-opt-out-of-ads-on-new-kindle-fire/

 

I have seen the error of my ways

Fascinating - thanks for the link...

It may be very awkward for Amazon to have to "regretfully inform" pre-orderers that they'll be paying a premium for "ad-free" if they choose to revise their orders!

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I think I'd rather pay more than go for something cheap and constantly be bombarded with ads.

 

not to mention how this might hurt your battery. or what about if you get the LTE version, do the ads come via cell data. does it count against you for that 250MB. if it does what happens when it goes over that amount. do you lose all cell data service for the rest of the month or can you pay overages, what are the fees

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News and Sports are the only reason I haven't cut the cable(well, on demand is nice too, but that more was more or less a response to online content anyways).  Everything else is more convenient to either watch online or wait for the DVD's

Of course, AppleTV provides access to MLB, NBA and NHL. Roku provides access to MLB, MLS, NBA, NHL, UFC. I don't understand why the NFL is a holdout.
post #119 of 147
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Just because you've blocked them out of your mind, that doesn't change the reality of things. They're still there and people will notice them. Victims of brutal crimes, like assault, armed robbery and rape do sometimes try and block the incident from their mind, that doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

 

You're seriously comparing non invasive ads to violent personal crimes? What heck is wrong with you?

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I think that you underestimate the so called over 40 crowd, which you claim to know about. Plenty of older people use Apple's devices, and just because somebody is over 40, that doesn't mean that their senses, such as sight and feel, are not functioning anymore. I bet that even an average 80 year old person can tell the difference between the super fluid iPad and non responsive Android tablets.

 

As I'm currently knocking on 40's door, yes, I do think I know a thing or two about that demo. And no, they really don't care. Yes, there are diehard fanatics like you that strictly adhere to one brand or another, but many at that age and beyond just don't care as long as it works. This is why they buy boring yet reliable vehicles like Honda Accords and such when many could easily afford something more expensive and flashy. In their minds, getting to and from with the least amount of hassle at a reasonable price is all they care about. Mock that mentality if you must, but understand it exists, and in much greater quantities than those akin to yours.

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