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Apple's full-size iPad is set to shed some excess, with a thinner and lighter fifth-generation redesign expected to arrive this year.

The next 9.7-inch iPad is expected to borrow design cues from its smaller sibling, the 7.9-inch iPad mini, according to KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo. He expects the fifth-generation iPad to be "significantly lighter and slimmer" than the design featured in the third- and fourth-generation models.

In addition, Kuo said Apple's "iPad 5" will feature a narrow border design, similar to the one found on the iPad mini. To compensate for that smaller border, the iPad mini features advanced software that allows the system to ignore unintended touching of the screen during one-handed use.

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Kuo has forecast Apple to release a new full-size iPad in the third quarter of 2013. That goes against some other recent rumors, which pegged a fifth-generation iPad to launch in March, which would be about six months after the launch of the iPad 4 and would continue with a twice-per-year upgrade cycle.

Last year, Kuo accurately predicted that Apple would launch a modified new iPad before the end of 2012. At the time, that news was seen as a surprise, because Apple had just updated the iPad in March, and previously had only refreshed its touchscreen tablet once per year.

But Apple did in fact announce a new fourth-generation iPad in October, featuring a new Lightning dock connection, as well as a faster A6X processor.

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Kuo also believes Apple's 2013 lineup will include an updated iPad mini with a high-resolution Retina display. He expects the next iPad mini to have the same 2,048-by-1,536-pixel resolution as the full-size iPad, which would pack in more pixels per inch on the smaller 7.9-inch screen and would allow developers to write their applications for one shared resolution.

And while some have said they expect Apple to launch a full-fledged television set this year, Kuo doesn't see that happening. His product roadmap predictions call for a refresh to the Apple TV set-top box this quarter, but an Apple HDTV won't show up until 2014 at the earliest, he said.
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Did you guys just parlay one analyst report into two+ articles about the same thing?

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So many rumours this week...

I'd rather they kept the size and added a bigger battery to be honest. 20hour battery life would do me just fine. I'm looking to get a new iPad this year as I'm still rocking Generation 1.

But if the iPad mini goes retina then that's a sure fire buy.
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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. They need to innovate, as Microsoft have done so well with the Surface tablets. Else, the iPad value prop is going to fade. Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.
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Most plausible rumor all week.

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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. They need to innovate, as Microsoft have done so well with the Surface tablets. Else, the iPad value prop is going to fade. Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.

 

You forgot the sarcasm tag.

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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. They need to innovate, as Microsoft have done so well with the Surface tablets. Else, the iPad value prop is going to fade. Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.

 

Then, let's assume he was being sincere....

 

How does the logic of that work? Exhibit A for how the surface (a tablet) is so innovative is a sales comparison of two smartphones, neither of which is sold by Microsoft? (Ignoring the factual basis of his numbers.) Do people really think like this? Or is this level of irrationality a sign of trolling?

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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. They need to innovate, as Microsoft have done so well with the Surface tablets. Else, the iPad value prop is going to fade. Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.

 

You also need to make a device thats useable and quite frankly, Microsoft totally missed the mark on this one. Sure it may be new and different from anything else, but that doesn't necessarily mean its better. For one, the attachable keyboard is one of the worst keyboards I've ever typed on. So it may be cool, neat, different and all that but at the end of the day it doesn't make it a better tablet. 

 

Windows 8 while is more usable on a tablet because of its design, I don't think is a better OS than iOS in the tablet space. Its still so different that its not exactly intuitive to use. This is where Apple has the market nailed, along with the apps. Microsoft may think they have the upper hand with apps because they "claim" it will run Windows apps, but the fact of the matter is, that comes at a price which is higher than the iPad. So why buy one? In the end, I don't think anyone has Apple beat on price, features, usability, etc...

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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. They need to innovate, as Microsoft have done so well with the Surface tablets. Else, the iPad value prop is going to fade. Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.

 

The Surface is a joke. The Surface RT doesn't run Windows Apps so it's a non-starter, and the Surface Pro is thicker and heavier than a MacBook Air.

 

Great news for you. The iPhone 5 is outselling the Galaxy S3, so I guess that means Apple has nothing they need to change?

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Then, let's assume he was being sincere....

 

How does the logic of that work? Exhibit A for how the surface (a tablet) is so innovative is a sales comparison of two smartphones, neither of which is sold by Microsoft? (Ignoring the factual basis of his numbers.) Do people really think like this? Or is this level of irrationality a sign of trolling?

 

Well, assuming he's sincere...when the iPad hits the thickness of the iPod Touch I guess it'll be thin and presumably light enough.  But we're a long way from there.

 

I think that Surface RT is DOA but Surface Pro will have legs.  That's not an issue for the iPad as much as the MBA.  If there were a tabletized MBA I think that would be killer.  Dock to keyboard for a mac experience.  Undock for an iPad experience.  Most iOS apps will run on x86 so it is possible.  A digitizer would be great for artists and note takers.

 

There are many roads not taken by Apple and that's deliberate.  The focus on the roads they take leads to great products but it's fun to think about what else could be.

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Is this serious. WTF? Yes and next year computers will be more powerful and faster.
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post #12 of 76
This makes sense. The biggest complaint I hear about the iPad, particularly from women, is that it is too heavy. The iPad mini is nice and light, but lacks the Retina Display, and the technology might not be feasible to add it in 2013 (battery life probably being the biggest hindrance).
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Dang, looks like my prediction of a heavier, thicker fifth generation iPad is going to turn out wrong.

 

I'm still holding out hope my prediction of a worse screen resolution on the iPad Mini is correct.

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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. They need to innovate, as Microsoft have done so well with the Surface tablets. Else, the iPad value prop is going to fade. Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.

 

And the surface tablets are selling so well too¡ So well that Samsung decided not to make any. Samsung doesn't release any unit sales figures either so we only have analyst estimates of how many S3s were sold. We found out Samsung lie like rugs. When actual sales figures were forced out of them at the trial we found out how dismal their tablet sales were didn't we. That makes your "Exhibit A" a big pile of dung doesn't it. You did use the cop-out word "may" however to hedge your bets, like all the clueless analysts do. 

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 He expects the fifth-generation iPad to be "significantly lighter and slimmer" than the design featured in the third- and fourth-generation models.

[Scratches head]

 

Wow! This guy really know's his shit. How could he possibly have figured that out?? I might, if I spent HOURS thinking about it, come up with ONE of those predictions... but ... words fail me... 

 

[shakes head in awe / disbelief]

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Dang, looks like my prediction of a heavier, thicker fifth generation iPad is going to turn out wrong.

 

I'm still holding out hope my prediction of a worse screen resolution on the iPad Mini is correct.

I'm with you on that one. And a worse resolution pretty much guarantees a slight weight increase and shorter battery life. 

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do you suppose it will also be faster???

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Hey, where's the Mac Pro they were promising?
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I prefer the larger iPad, so this would be a welcome change. Push the iPad mini upto a retina display and you have the 2 best tablets on the market. This would leave Amazon and Android to duke it out for the $200 tablet space.

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Hey, where's the Mac Pro they were promising?

This is either on the way or on the way out. It probably isn't a big money maker, so analysts don't really care.

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Well Duh.

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Do You Think That It Might Run The Next iOS. Probably not considering how all of Apple Devices never run the same software.

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So many rumours this week...

I'd rather they kept the size and added a bigger battery to be honest. 20hour battery life would do me just fine. I'm looking to get a new iPad this year as I'm still rocking Generation 1.

But if the iPad mini goes retina then that's a sure fire buy.

Yeah, Apple's unhealthy obsession with thin needs to go away. I'm sorry, I'd like a longer battery life and an easily removable battery MUCH more than I'd like a thinner device.

And that's even more important when it comes to computers. I'd be VERY happy with a high-res display 15" laptop that's half an inch thicker than the current MBP, if it gives me a more powerful graphics chip, 4 RAM slots, an easily swappable larger battery, and maybe a swappable media bay.

Actually, now that I think about it, Apple's PowerBook G3 series was the PERFECT form factor. Pop-out battery, media bay that could hold a second battery, lift the keyboard for hard drive access, ports on the BACK, not the side, and covered. Make it a fast core i7, put in a retina display, full complement of modern ports (2 thunderbolt, 2 firewire, 3-4 USB, HDMI, ethernet, expresscard 54) and a bigger trackpad (but keep the real button, it was better), and you'd have the perfect portable Mac. Sure, it's thick, but it's comfortably curved, no sharp edge at the front like today's machines.
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Do You Think That It Might Run The Next iOS.

 

No, depending on launch times.


 Probably not considering how all of Apple Devices never run the same software.

 

What do you mean? That's not the case.

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Im shocked by this rumor.

 

I thought that the next iPad was going to be thicker and weigh more, and it would also sport a lower resolution.

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Yeah, Apple's unhealthy obsession with thin needs to go away. I'm sorry, I'd like a longer battery life and an easily removable battery MUCH more than I'd like a thinner device.

And that's even more important when it comes to computers. I'd be VERY happy with a high-res display 15" laptop that's half an inch thicker than the current MBP, if it gives me a more powerful graphics chip, 4 RAM slots, an easily swappable larger battery, and maybe a swappable media bay.

Actually, now that I think about it, Apple's PowerBook G3 series was the PERFECT form factor. Pop-out battery, media bay that could hold a second battery, lift the keyboard for hard drive access, ports on the BACK, not the side, and covered. Make it a fast core i7, put in a retina display, full complement of modern ports (2 thunderbolt, 2 firewire, 3-4 USB, HDMI, ethernet, expresscard 54) and a bigger trackpad (but keep the real button, it was better), and you'd have the perfect portable Mac. Sure, it's thick, but it's comfortably curved, no sharp edge at the front like today's machines.

 

Well if want a computer thats stuck in 1999 you can get a Dell. I hear they're pretty cheap too!

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do you suppose it will also be faster???

Tough call. My instincts tell me it will be a fair bit slower, what with the lower res. I am guessing it will only run IOS 5.

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I think that Surface RT is DOA but Surface Pro will have legs.

 

The only thing associated with the Surface, RT or Pro, that will have legs is the general public running from it as fast as they can. People are tired of compromise in CE, and the Surface, especially the Pro, is the ultimate compromise device. It'll do nothing well besides frustrate users.

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Well if want a computer thats stuck in 1999 you can get a Dell. I hear they're pretty cheap too!

 

Better hurry, though.

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Just offer a Retina iPad Mini and I'll be happy.  Until then, my Nook Color works fine as a reader.

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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. ... Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.

 

This is a joke right?

 

Apple sold 35-45 million iPhone 5's last quarter.  Galaxy S3's? .... 23 million.  

 

Also, you seem to have no idea of the actual definition of the word "innovate."

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This is a joke right?

 

Apple sold 35-45 million iPhone 5's last quarter.  Galaxy S3's? .... 23 million.  

 

Also, you seem to have no idea of the actual definition of the word "innovate."

Damn, 1/23 can't come fast enough! I want Cook to say "We sold 50MM iphones in the Dec qtr. I think you analysts need to find a new line of work than lying about our finances and supplies. btw, WSJ, what on Earth makes you think we would order 65MM lcd screens for the March NON-HOLIDAY qtr when we've never sold 50MM IPhones in a HOLIDAY qtr before now, of course. do some research for once."

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What's wrong with all the news sites blindly accepting the amount of analyst's guesses lately? All I see is any random analyst guessing what Apple is going to do/should do this year to stay competitive, without any real (and realistic) information about why or how.

Of course Apple is going to release new products this year%u2026 that's what they always do. But new products (the smaller/cheaper iPhone, an already newly designed retina-MBP and such) are just a shot in thin air; it doesn't make any sense to spout this nonsense and just guess. And what's more annoying is that more and more news sites are blindly taking these wild guesses and publish it as "news". Even Appleinsider (and others like Macrumors/Macnn and such) are starting to simply follow and accept "guesses".

Why not stick with what has usually worked out a lot better, as in reliable contacts from/at Apple that might share some real insight into possible new things. Analysts can do nothing more than guess and estimate, which is hardly ever news worthy.
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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. They need to innovate, as Microsoft have done so well with the Surface tablets. Else, the iPad value prop is going to fade. Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.

General estimates are pegging total Microsoft Surface sales for the 4th quarter at around the 1M mark. THAT'S ALL. Hardly evidence of "doing well".

 

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/microsoft-surface-low-sales-estimates/

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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. They need to innovate, as Microsoft have done so well with the Surface tablets. Else, the iPad value prop is going to fade. Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.

Yes, where the 5 is beating the crap out of the S3 (who barely beat out the close to a year old 4S for a month or so while people anticipated the 5...): excellent point! PS The Surface is a sad joke. Innovation is more than coming up with an idea/product that then craters, so how's the battery life on your Zune?

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Damn, 1/23 can't come fast enough! I want Cook to say "We sold 50MM iphones in the Dec qtr. I think you analysts need to find a new line of work than lying about our finances and supplies. btw, WSJ, what on Earth makes you think we would order 65MM lcd screens for the March NON-HOLIDAY qtr when we've never sold 50MM IPhones in a HOLIDAY qtr before now, of course. do some research for once."

^This.

 

Oh but I also want him to show the slides for his "What I did on my recent visit to China" presentation...

 

That said a "5", "mini" form factor for the full sized pad and I'm on it. Heck I notice it's a bit "heavy" when I have the smartcover on it! Similar to the 5, I loved the design of the 4's but the 5 is a wonderful weight for something you hold a lot. IMHO anyway.


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I prefer the larger iPad, so this would be a welcome change. Push the iPad mini upto a retina display and you have the 2 best tablets on the market. This would leave Amazon and Android to duke it out for the $200 tablet space.


Agreed. I expect we'll see an improved mini with retina display and a drop in the price of the existing mini. No more, no less.

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In addition, Kuo said Apple's "iPad 5" will feature a narrow border design, similar to the one found on the iPad mini. To compensate for that smaller border, the iPad mini features advanced software that allows the system to ignore unintended touching of the screen during one-handed use.

 

And chamfering, most likely.  Not just as a cosmetic detail, but to improve the user's one-handed grip very close to its edge.

 

Try this if you have an iPad mini: hold it over a pillow one-handed, with your thumb on the glass and fingers behind.  (But first take the Smart Cover off if you have one.)  See how close you can slide your thumb to the very edge without dropping it.  Pretty close, right?  Now try the same thing with the iPad mini upside-down.  You'll need to keep far more thumb on the upper (aluminum) surface when it's upside down.  The rounded back edge provides far less "edge grip" than the chamfered top edge.

 

That's because the chamfering, with its two slightly sharp ridges, provides extra grip.  The ridges provide extra friction, like the knurling on hand tools, but to a lesser extent and more or less only in one direction.

 

My theory is that the iPad mini has a relatively narrow long-edge bezel because you can physically hold it more securely with your thumb at the very edge of the device.  Less need to keep your thumb on the touch-sensitive area of the screen.  So if the "big" iPad does get a thinner bezel, I think it will be chamfered.

 

Same thing applies to the iPhone 5 and iPod touch: the front chamfering helps you grip it, but in a different way.  The extra edge grip helps provide extra friction to help prevent dropping, but you'd probably never need to hold your iPhone 5 with thumb on screen and four fingers on back.

 

And why are both front and back of the iPhone 5 chamfered while iPod touch is only chamfered on the front?  Because of the glass panels in the back of the iPhone 5.  Far easier to simply inset them flush, the way the front screen is inset. So it makes sense to put the same chamfering on the back.


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Apple's policy of simply faster thinner may not prove profitable forever. They need to innovate, as Microsoft have done so well with the Surface tablets. Else, the iPad value prop is going to fade. Exhibit A: Sales of iPhone 5 - VS - Galaxy S3.

Uh. No. If Surface was success through innovation, then it would be "Exhibit A".

Your chosen "Exhibit A" only proves the value of copying.

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The Surface is a joke. The Surface RT doesn't run Windows Apps so it's a non-starter, and the Surface Pro is thicker and heavier than a MacBook Air.

 

Great news for you. The iPhone 5 is outselling the Galaxy S3, so I guess that means Apple has nothing they need to change?

Yes the iPhone 5 is outselling the Galaxy S III but lets compare the numbers for a bit. lets compare the sells of the iPhone 4 to the Galaxy S (and it varients) then lets compare the sells of the iPhone 4s and the Galaxy S II. You will see the as both phones increase in the amount of units sold...The gap is getting smaller.

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