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post #41 of 130
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I meant to run flawlessly. In the past, certain iOS releases have run on older hardware but with limited features.

And yeah, I don't see Apple ever releasing a phone sans retina display. But that presents a hurdle as far as price.

Perhaps they'll forgoe the rear camera a la the new iPod touch.

 

Well I bow to your superior knowledge on processing power because I am not sure myself, but aren't a great deal of iOS 7's new features unavailable on older phones for this exact reason?  This has always been true with each release of course, but I've read numerous reports of it being quite marked with iOS 7.  

 

It would seem that the internals of this thing would have to at least be iPhone 5 level (camera filter, AirDrop) for it to make sense but I guess by the time it comes out, that will be "last years" guts.  

post #42 of 130

neon is hot right now, now you can have a phone to match your laces.

post #43 of 130
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Well I bow to your superior knowledge on processing power because I am not sure myself, but aren't a great deal of iOS 7's new features unavailable on older phones for this exact reason?  This has always been true with each release of course, but I've read numerous reports of it being quite marked with iOS 7.  

It would seem that the internals of this thing would have to at least be iPhone 5 level (camera filter, AirDrop) for it to make sense but I guess by the time it comes out, that will be "last years" guts.  

I strongly think it would at least have the 5's processor. Or it could have an A5X (boosted GPU).

But yeah, that would be "last year's" tech.
post #44 of 130
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Originally Posted by Soundvision View Post

People who say Steve is rolling in his grave obviously don't remember Blue Dalmation and Flower Power iMacs. ...

 

Or leopard skin print software boxes, and the iBooks that looked like girls makeup cases.  

 

People conveniently forget that Johnny Ive was responsible for this monstrosity also:

 

 

 

There is actually a long history of tacky at Apple.  1smile.gif

 

Because most of their stuff is excellent, we mostly forgive and forget, but they've had some stinkers too. 

post #45 of 130
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An iPhone without a CAMERA? The most popular camera in the world... without a camera? 1eek.gif

There's a limit to the stinginess of the people to whom Apple wants to sell.

Well technically, this would be a NEW category, so anything is possible. Also something to separate it further from the premium iPhone.

But yeah, dumb idea. Maybe it will have a lower-grade camera though.
post #46 of 130
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

I meant to run flawlessly. In the past, certain iOS releases have run on older hardware but with limited features.

And yeah, I don't see Apple ever releasing a phone sans retina display. But that presents a hurdle as far as price.

Perhaps they'll forgoe the rear camera a la the new iPod touch.

I honestly think its more likely they'll withold retina before removing the camera for the low cost phone.

As Tallest said the camera on the iPhone and on phones in general is a popular feature. Conversely the iPod touchs rear camera is a barely advertised likely barely used feature.

Apple released a non-retina affordable iPad last year and I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that this new iPhone could share the same screen as the iPad Mini.

It would be cost effective for Apple since nothing else is using the 163PPI screen anymore.
post #47 of 130

The people who are claiming that Apple would never do something like this or use those colors are in for quite a surprise.lol.gif

post #48 of 130
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Or leopard skin print software boxes, and the iBooks that looked like girls makeup cases.  

People conveniently forget that Johnny Ive was responsible for this monstrosity also:





There is actually a long history of tacky at Apple.  1smile.gif

Because most of their stuff is excellent, we mostly forgive and forget, but they've had some stinkers too. 

I don't think Ive designed that box. Link?

I thought Ive's first work as head of industrial design was the iMac.
post #49 of 130
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I honestly think its more likely they'll withold retina before removing the camera for the low cost phone.

As Tallest said the camera on the iPhone and on phones in general is a popular feature. Conversely the iPod touchs rear camera is a barely advertised likely barely used feature.

Apple released a non-retina affordable iPad last year and I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that this new iPhone could share the same screen as the iPad Mini.

It would be cost effective for Apple since nothing else is using the 163PPI screen anymore.

iOS 7 seems to be designed with retina in mind, which makes what you're saying unlikely. Especially since the iPad mini will likely get a retina version as well.

If Apple is leaving two things behind, it's the 30 pin connector and non-retina displays.
post #50 of 130
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iOS 7 seems to be designed with retina in mind, which makes what you're saying unlikely. Especially since the iPad mini will likely get a retina version as well.

If Apple is leaving two things behind, it's the 30 pin connector and non-retina displays.

"If Apple is leaving two things behind, it's the 30 pin connector and non-retina displays."

 

Agreed.

post #51 of 130
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If Apple is leaving two things behind, it's the 30 pin connector and non-retina displays.

Exactly. Well, minus the iPhone 4 and 4S and iPad 2 and iPad mini that get iOS 7.

But they can completely remove all non-retina UIImage elements and references thereto from the OS (except for the iPad 2/mini's ipsw files), which will slim it down quite a bit. Bet they won't, though, because of the iPad 2/mini.

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post #52 of 130
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I don't think Ive designed that box. Link?

 

The person in this video has hair, but it's Ive. And I also notice that he was called Jon Ive back then.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTts8elSDeE

post #53 of 130
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Exactly. Well, minus the iPhone 4 and 4S that get iOS 7.

But they can completely remove all non-retina UIImage elements and references thereto from the OS, which will slim it down quite a bit.

And those won't be for sale, I'm guessing. Just refurbished.

Could they make it so iOS 7 only downloads non-retina images for certain devices, like the iPad 2 and Mini?
post #54 of 130
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And those won't be for sale, I'm guessing. Just refurbished.

Yeah, but they get the OS.
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Could they make it so iOS 7 only downloads non-retina images for certain devices, like the iPad 2 and Mini?

Sure; that's why every device has its own separate IPSW file. But when people crack open iOS 7.0.0 GM, I bet you they'll all still have those images regardless of the device.

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post #55 of 130
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Exactly. Well, minus the iPhone 4 and 4S and iPad 2 and iPad mini that get iOS 7 … 

 

Ah, but if iPhone "cheapo" is real, then all of those iPhones will certainly be discontinued this year and with a new iPad mini, there is no reason to keep making the old one.    

post #56 of 130
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Ah, but if iPhone "cheapo" is real, then all of those iPhones will certainly be discontinued this year and with a new iPad mini, there is no reason to keep making the old one. 

But they still get the OS! That was the defining point. The support for them will remain in the OS, and I do bet that references to the files for them will show up across all devices' IPSWs.

Take Mavericks, for example. It still has 1024x1024 images of old Macs that can't even run Intel-based OS' on them! 'Course that might just be because it's physically possible to be on the same network as one of them... But not all of them (for which that is possible) are there! Nor is every type of iOS device in there! There's no iPhone 5 or iPod touch 5 image in Mavericks.

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post #57 of 130
I see there are a lot of comments about "Apple would never use colors like that". I think what Apple is doing, and pretty intelligently, is to target color selections that younger generations would like. If you go to any store and take a look at girls jeans... they are available in nearly identical colors. The 80's color palettes are back with a vengeance whether you like it or not. You also see the same, over saturated tones in iOS7. This is Apple's modern look, like it or not.

The good news is, this phone isn't made for you. You're a successful 30, 40 50 something and they have the solution for you. It's called and iPhone 5S, 6, etc. How do you prevent fragmentation while differentiating your brand and pricing? Color and material.

For those who say "why can't they make it like the iPod touch". Simple. It's called "antennas". While the iPhone 5 and 5S will use the metal band and aluminum, the device can be made much less expensive with polycarbonate or plastic. It's simply less expensive and parents around the world will rejoice and buy these like hot cakes. Actually, probably faster than hot cakes. I don't think they sell fast any more.

Almost all iPhones are put in a case anyway, so no one would know you had a "Maize" phone anyway.
post #58 of 130

It is always hard to pass judgement by photos over the internet, but so far those colors are pretty ugly.  It this rumor is true then I'd want to see them in person for sure.  Having the colors may not be a big deal anyway as in the case of my iPhone case barely any of the phone is shown besides the screen.

post #59 of 130
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But they still get the OS! That was the defining point. The support for them will remain in the OS, and I do bet that references to the files for them will show up across all devices' IPSWs …

 

Of course, but the original statement was "leaving (non-lightning, non-retina) behind."  Not manufacturing the devices anymore certainly qualifies IMO.  Additionally, because they are (hypothetically/presumably) switching to this new manufacturing model, they won't be selling last year's or the year before's products anymore either.  It would be (hypothetically/presumably), the iPhone, and the "cheap" variant each year instead.  

 

Also, the iPad mini is already lightning equipped as is the iPad 4.  The iPad 4 and the iPad 3 are both already retina.  The iPhone 4 and the iPhone 4s are similarly retina (despite being 30 pin), but the iPhone 4 would fall into officially unsupported territory this cycle anyway.  

 

So overall, there would be no more manufacturing of non-retina and non-lightning devices and other than the original iPad mini.  All available devices, even ones so old as to be worthless at this point, would be retina.  The iPhone 4s and the iPad 2 & 3 would be the last of the 30 pin stock, but other than second hand, they wouldn't have a single non-retina, non-lightning product for sale right from the moment they switched to this new strategy with the cheap phone.  

post #60 of 130
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Right. 1rolleyes.gif

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Awesome pics. I want one of each please!

 

Actually, even if I could just get my hands on a bondi-blue, I'd be happy.

post #61 of 130

iPhone Liste will most probably be today's iPhone 5 wit some features omitted and in cheaper case. It can be good for some markets, but it will not make big change in Europe. Europe aches for larger screen. Period.

post #62 of 130
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Originally Posted by jkichline View Post

I see there are a lot of comments about "Apple would never use colors like that". I think what Apple is doing, and pretty intelligently, is to target color selections that younger generations would like. If you go to any store and take a look at girls jeans... they are available in nearly identical colors. The 80's color palettes are back with a vengeance whether you like it or not. You also see the same, over saturated tones in iOS7. This is Apple's modern look, like it or not.  ...

 

Actually it's girls pants (not jeans), and men's pants as well.  

 

This is what the Gap has for men's pants this season:

 

 

Looks fabulous to me, but these are actually more 1960's or 1970's colours than they are 1980's.  

 

The 80's was all about hot pink & turquoise, or black & red.  

Ugh. 1frown.gif

post #63 of 130
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… Actually, even if I could just get my hands on a bondi-blue, I'd be happy.

 

Ha! 1smile.gif

 

Funnily enough, I tossed out a Bondi-Blue iMac and a Blueberry one too, just last week, and I just saw a Grape one in a sidewalk sale this morning.  

I didn't ask how much they wanted for it but they aren't good for much but museums now. 

post #64 of 130
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

 

Ha! 1smile.gif

 

Funnily enough, I tossed out a Bondi-Blue iMac and a Blueberry one too, just last week, and I just saw a Grape one in a sidewalk sale this morning.  

I didn't ask how much they wanted for it but they aren't good for much but museums now. 

 

I've still got a Bondi Blue model (bought in '99 I think) somewhere, and I obviously don't use it anymore, but it still works great, as good as new, should I ever feel the need to turn it on.

 

I wonder how many people still have working Windows PC's at home that they have kept from the previous century?lol.gif

post #65 of 130
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This is what the Gap has for men's pants this season:

 

It doesn't matter to me what the Gap chooses to call them. Based on the colors, they look like girls pants and clown pants.

post #66 of 130
Well after seeing this spy shots, all I can think of is

Yes, it's unusual for Apple.. but boy does the icons of iOS 7 make sense now...
post #67 of 130
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

 

It doesn't matter to me what the Gap chooses to call them. Based on the colors, they look like girls pants and clown pants.

 

Always the polite charmer you are.  1smile.gif

post #68 of 130

I predict (and you can quote me on this) that this new iPhone will end up proving what an excellent size the current iPhone is and that this new category of cheap phone from Apple with iPhone 5 dimensions will be a runaway hit as the iPad mini was, and defy all predictions (apart from this prediction)

post #69 of 130
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[...] a device like that would literally fly off the shelves.

 

Oh 'Zoob, don't do that. "Literally?" As in "will grow wings and levitate?" We chastise, ridicule and berate the 20-somethings for that one. Don't let it get you, too.


Edited by v5v - 7/1/13 at 1:15am
post #70 of 130
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An iPhone without a retina display would truly be a phone for idiots.

 

What?! Why?

 

Sure, Retina is nice to look at and is a defining premium "luxury" feature but it's hardly essential.

 

How is trading a razors' edge of text sharpness for a lower price the mark of an idiot? Seems like a perfectly reasonable compromise to me.

post #71 of 130
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Or leopard skin print software boxes, and the iBooks that looked like girls makeup cases.  

People conveniently forget that Johnny Ive was responsible for this monstrosity also:





There is actually a long history of tacky at Apple.  1smile.gif

Because most of their stuff is excellent, we mostly forgive and forget, but they've had some stinkers too. 

Hey Woz says the 20th Anniversary Mac was a slick machine. Not everyone hated it or thought it was tacky.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/27/4468314/steve-wozniak-on-how-the-newton-changed-his-life
post #72 of 130
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I don't think Ive designed that box. Link?

I thought Ive's first work as head of industrial design was the iMac.
Ive started at Apple in 1992. I think one of the first things he worked on was the Newton.
post #73 of 130
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Originally Posted by v5v View Post

What?! Why?

Sure, Retina is nice to look at and is a defining premium "luxury" feature but it's hardly essential.

How is trading a razors' edge of text sharpness for a lower price the mark of an idiot? Seems like a perfectly reasonable compromise to me.
Except iOS 7 will probably look like crap on a non-retina display.
post #74 of 130
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I don't think Ive designed that box. Link?

I thought Ive's first work as head of industrial design was the iMac.

Heres a video of a younger Jonny Ive (with hair!) describing it with much love. Back then it looked quite posh, but I times change, even the first iMacs, once you've seen today's iMacs, those first ones looks kind of clown like, and the G3/G4 towers which looked impressive back in the day, looks absolutely outdated today, Apple have the habit of making their earlier products look dated, and they are usually ahead of the curve when it comes to computer industrial design at least in my view, PCs back then really were big clunky beige boxes, not really that long ago but feels longer.

post #75 of 130

Although in favor of cheaper iPhones, I am opposed to these colors. Subtle colors needed.

 

BTW, the colors in iOS7 are subtle, as it happens. Not like this Gap influenced malarky.

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post #76 of 130
That is some ugly.
post #77 of 130
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Originally Posted by v5v View Post

What?! Why?

Sure, Retina is nice to look at and is a defining premium "luxury" feature but it's hardly essential.

Yes it is. We have already established in a previous discussion that iOS7 is designed to look good on a retina display.
The thin fonts would be nigh on unreadable on a non retina screen.
post #78 of 130
Something about this seems really off. Appler's product line is very clean. Aluminum and glass. Sliver and slate. With the iPod line getting some color. But everything seems to go together. Where does glossy colored plastic fit into their product line? And then they'll have this beautiful aluminum iPod touch with the polished chamfered edges and the cheaper iPhone (which will be more expensive than an iPod touch) will be glossy colors plastic? I just don't get it. Unless these cheaper phones are only going to be sold in certain countries like China? But when has Apple ever done that before?
post #79 of 130
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

Although in favor of cheaper iPhones, I am opposed to these colors. Subtle colors needed.

BTW, the colors in iOS7 are subtle, as it happens. Not like this Gap influenced malarky.
I thought iOS 7 was more pastels than neons.
post #80 of 130
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Originally Posted by v5v View Post

What?! Why?

Sure, Retina is nice to look at and is a defining premium "luxury" feature but it's hardly essential.

How is trading a razors' edge of text sharpness for a lower price the mark of an idiot? Seems like a perfectly reasonable compromise to me.

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Except iOS 7 will probably look like crap on a non-retina display.

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Yes it is. We have already established in a previous discussion that iOS7 is designed to look good on a retina display.
The thin fonts would be nigh on unreadable on a non retina screen.

I agree with v5v.

The Retina display is a luxury and I don't think it's essential for iOS 7. The iPad Mini has the same PPI as a non-Retina iPhone and apparently iOS 7 still looks great on it.

Also how else would Apple be able to shave 40-60% off the price of the phone? A plastic case alone would barely shave off 10% of the cost.

A non-Retina display would mean cheaper screen, smaller battery, it would use less GPU so a cheaper processor could be used as well.

Unless Apple is using magic there is no other way I see them making a cheaper iPhone actually cheaper. Also forgoing Retina would add a value factor to the 5S preventing cannibalization and likely increasing upsale which equals PROFITS.
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