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I wonder how he or she managed sneaking a camera in. Prolly those button sized cameras.
That however needs sophistication to make.

I need to try and see if I can trace device information off that pic. If I see Samsung manufactured the devices we know who hired the spy.

If that's the case the spy would have been highly paid off.

Considering her statement about the Xiaoma smartphone from the Chinese tech company Xiaoma Technologies, it was likely them that paid her off for the detailed images she didnt post as well as the public photo featuring a name drop for their company she DID post.
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5. (For) but to make this product stand out as something different or less expensive, the standard black front could be a ways to do this.  Look that the "budget" model of the iPod touch.  Alum. back and Black front.

I've thought that as well.

Not sure if I like that its going to be

Black glass = cheap

White glass = expensive.

(not racist obviously)

But as far as Apple's other products it makes some sense I guess.

It'd be interesting if this will make less people use cases for their black/slate iPhone 5/5S because in a case they're going to look identical to the 5Cs. No one paying twice as much wants their phone associated with the "cheap" model.

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Yeah, my initial instinct was just "black fronts? … makes sense" but in writing it out in detail, there are some reasons to go with white.  I still think on balance that black wins out though.  

Maybe they will make both, but for production simplicity and given that they are already making multicoloured back pieces, I think they will go with the rest of the phone being identical. It makes it far easier to switch volumes on the SKU's. Like if lime green isn't selling and they have a warehouse full of them, they could easily pull out the guts and put it in white backs and save the majority of their costs on that inventory.  If they are going for cheap production, they should also be going for flexible production.  

I think the picture seems real enough though and that alone is a convincing argument that they are going with all black fronts.  

As with all of this kind of rumour and speculation, I could of course be completely wrong. 1smile.gif

Interesting idea.

It actually adds that much more credence to black fronts for the 5C.
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It's because of people like this bitch that took the photo that security measures increase, leading to more inefficiency, difficulty, monitoring, and inconvenience for employees who don't take illegal pics like this and post them online. And she just got hired in mid-July. Hope it was worth her ass being fired. 

But she got a promotion from her other job - at Samsung.

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These tests are likely being done on pre-production product that will never leave the plant. 

It doesn't matter. Modern manufacturing and quality methods rely on Lean principles (Toyota Production System) and that jumbled mess would not be acceptable. If it's real, someone's doing a terrible job.
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post #44 of 108
will it make phone calls?
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The phones themselves -- if these are not fake -- look mediocre.

Troubling.
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The phones themselves -- if these are not fake -- look mediocre.

Troubling.

 

Agreed.

 

I'm hoping there's still something special in the 5C yet to be revealed. It needs a "cool" factor that sets it apart from the competition.

 

Maybe instead of polycarbonate it will utilize a special bio-plastic for its colorful back panel? That would appease Greenpeace and help Apple's "cool" "eco-friendly" image. 

 

Something along those lines would make the ugliness of the phones more forgivable and help Apple continue on with their green environmental goals; the same goals that led them to move away from environmentally damaging plastics in the first place...

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Thanks for saying what the article already said.

 

Lol sorry didn't read, happens half the time at least, anyway, the black front plate looks nicer I think, nice black and white look. The original source, the female worker mentions how much this looks like a Xiomi phone, funny that, because Xiomi looks exactly like a iPhone to begin with.

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It doesn't matter. Modern manufacturing and quality methods rely on Lean principles (Toyota Production System) and that jumbled mess would not be acceptable. If it's real, someone's doing a terrible job.

For those that don't know what JR is referring to here's a plain English description:
http://www.biztechreport.com/story/1365-lean-transformations-asian-organizations

JR, correct me if I'm wrong please.

In essence I think "lean manufacturing" methods move the manufacturer's focus to achieving cost savings/efficiencies from planning by actual customer orders instead of old traditional market forecasts and projections that require inventory gambles and build-out for possible future orders. In the simplest terms if it's not a real order you don't expend company resources on it, which saves effort and increases profit.

If I'm correct Toyota's "TPS" (a marriage of "lean" and SixSigma quality guidelines perhaps?) adds a necessary level of product quality checks and balances so that excessive focus on cost savings from "lean manufacturing" doesn't result in product flaws and defects for the customer. JR no doubt knows much more about it but I don't see the details as all that important to the discussion anyway.

So this particular picture kinda leaves the impression they may be paying too much attention to the "lean" cost savings and not enough focus on the other elements of TPS. 1hmm.gif
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post #49 of 108

This is how the apple section at Fry's electronics looks! I'm not kidding, it's a mess! :)

 

Looking fwd to the iPhone 5c

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The French blog site also posted photos of a black/brown and pink model:

http://www.nowhereelse.fr/iphone-5c-plastique-rose-et-brun-87283/

and there's a picture of a 5S mockup with a long yellow LED, and embossed logo with yellow writing.

This seems to be a common thing now whenever a new Apple product is coming, to post loads of fake models and mockups. It helps Apple in a way because while many are clearly fake, it makes it hard to pick out any genuine ones. This didn't happen so much back in the old days, I guess because nobody paid much attention to what they were doing. Now that they have half a billion customers, everyone with a blog wants to feed off the interest in the new products so they want people linking back to their ad-supported sites to promote them.

The pile of phones in the Pegatron factory doesn't look right, beyond just the black front. I don't see why they'd pile up production iPhones and risk them getting scratched. They are shipping millions of these so I guess some workstations might be messier than others but they've had inside looks into their factories and I'm sure the iPhones were charged using rows and rows of docks. There's a video here with Foxconn and you can see the care they take in the operation:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Five-Minutes-Inside-Foxconn-s-Factories-Video-254254.shtml

Pegatron might be run differently but it doesn't look like a testing process that would be up to standard.
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Agreed.

 

I'm hoping there's still something special in the 5C yet to be revealed. It needs a "cool" factor that sets it apart from the competition.

 

Maybe instead of polycarbonate it will utilize a special bio-plastic for its colorful back panel? That would appease Greenpeace and help Apple's "cool" "eco-friendly" image. 

 

Something along those lines would make the ugliness of the phones more forgivable and help Apple continue on with their green environmental goals; the same goals that led them to move away from environmentally damaging plastics in the first place...

 

I'm still hoping that the extra 1.2mm of thickness is all battery. Can't think of any other reason.  24 hour battery? 

 

I mean it's hard to get the figures on internal component sizes, but 1.2 mm is (rough calculation) a 25% larger battery.

 

Edit: numbers wrong, only 0.8mm thicker, still … larger battery? 


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Something along those lines would make the ugliness of the phones more forgivable and help Apple continue on with their green environmental goals; the same goals that led them to move away from environmentally damaging plastics in the first place...

There's nothing necessarily 'environmentally damaging' about plastics. The issue with plastics is recycling. Arguably, plastics are a good way to sequester carbon.

Everything is a mixed blessing: I'd rather have my x-rays, toothbrushes, and buttons, with proper (incentives for) recycling.
post #53 of 108
There is no reason why this phone, if it is genuine, cannot come with a black front or white front as the iPod Touch does have this variation too.
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There's nothing necessarily 'environmentally damaging' about plastics. The issue with plastics is recycling. Arguably, plastics are a good way to sequester carbon.

Everything is a mixed blessing: I'd rather have my x-rays, toothbrushes, and buttons, with proper (incentives for) recycling.

 

That's true for the most part, but Apple themselves seem to demonize regular plastic.

 

On their apple.com/environment page, every time a product transitions from plastic to aluminum it's marked as an environmental feat and a progressive move toward greater recyclability. 

 

But last year it looks like the AirPort Express (one of Apple's few remaining plastic products) was upgraded to a bioplastic material. Maybe we'll see the same material in the 5C?

 

Could be a great marketing point if the 5C is the first mass produced bioplastic smartphone (Cue Phil saying "Can't innovate anymore my ass!")

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I'm still hoping that the extra 1.2mm of thickness is all battery. Can't think of any other reason.  24 hour battery? 

 

I mean it's hard to get the figures on internal component sizes, but 1.2 mm is (rough calculation) a 25% larger battery.

 

Edit: numbers wrong, only 0.8mm thicker, still … larger battery? 

 

That would make sense. 

 

It looks like from at least some reports the upcoming A7 is more power efficient and the 5S looks to have a slightly larger battery as well.

 

With the 5C using an A6 it would probably need a more significant battery upgrade to match the 5S's battery life (if that's what Apple is going for).

 

Maybe we'll see 24 hour battery life for both?

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That's true for the most part, but Apple themselves seem to demonize regular plastic.

On their apple.com/environment page, every time a product transitions from plastic to aluminum it's marked as an environmental feat and a progressive move toward greater recyclability. 

But last year it looks like the AirPort Express (one of Apple's few remaining plastic products) was upgraded to a bioplastic material. Maybe we'll see the same material in the 5C?

Could be a great marketing point if the 5C is the first mass produced bioplastic smartphone (Cue Phil saying "Can't innovate anymore my ass!")

I won't bother saying who it was 1hmm.gif, but there were "mass-produced bio-plastic" mobile phones in 2008. Smartphones specifically? Yeah that too, 2011.
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I won't bother saying who it was 1hmm.gif, but there were "mass-produced bio-plastic" mobile phones in 2008. Smartphones specifically? Yeah that too, 2011.

 

True, but remember that the iPhone 5 was the thinnest smartphone in the world...

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True, but remember that the iPhone 5 was the thinnest smartphone in the world...

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I call fake on this photo.

One, how the hell did it get taken. No way would they not have security to make sure no one takes photos
Two, there can't be that many folks supervising QA so someone would be costing themselves a job. Can't see anyone being that stupid
Three, apple is too anal for this to be their testing. Apple would require neat little rows, all apple only cables, everything in the same testing. Not this mashup

This looks more like one of those knock off companies copying the rumors and trying to pass off their work as the legit thing. Make a few bucks before the polyc iPod touch is revealed.

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I call fake on this photo.

One, how the hell did it get taken. No way would they not have security to make sure no one takes photos
Two, there can't be that many folks supervising QA so someone would be costing themselves a job. Can't see anyone being that stupid
Three, apple is too anal for this to be their testing. Apple would require neat little rows, all apple only cables, everything in the same testing. Not this mashup

This looks more like one of those knock off companies copying the rumors and trying to pass off their work as the legit thing. Make a few bucks before the polyc iPod touch is revealed.

Engadget has an article that explains things better.

"...after digging around the original poster's Sina Weibo profile, we deduced that this spy shot came straight out of Pegatron's Shanghai plant..."
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/24/pegatron-iphone-5c-leak/

They went on to say they've seen this type of thing before during factory tours but weren't permitted to photograph it.
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It's obviously a small test batch. That's how modern manufacturing works. It doesn't matter if you're mass producing beer or iPhones, the same principles apply.

Apple is too anal to have even a small test batch treated like this.

This is the company that (according to the stories) only lets certified Geniuses replace screens on the phone 5 although their mobile specialists are good enough to do everything else. Story is that they have two every expensive machines in the back that test every display after it is put on to make sure it is functioning and to program the exact levels of touch sensitivity out of the range that that display registers, among other things.

No way would they be so shabby with even one unit, particularly in regards to using what appears to be third party power cables.

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Apple is too anal to have even a small test batch treated like this.

This is the company that (according to the stories) only lets certified Geniuses replace screens on the phone 5 although their mobile specialists are good enough to do everything else. Story is that they have two every expensive machines in the back that test every display after it is put on to make sure it is functioning and to program the exact levels of touch sensitivity out of the range that that display registers, among other things.

No way would they be so shabby with even one unit, particularly in regards to using what appears to be third party power cables.

 

Maybe this is Pegatron's own in house testing to make sure the phones they built are operational? Apple likely has their own testing facilities and in house tests for quality control and such as well.

 

The girl who originally posted these pics seemed to have an ulterior motive. She probably was given a spy cam built into a pen or eye glasses or something by the company she was really working for (either Samsung or Chinese smartphone maker Xiaomi). That's why no one caught her take the pics until she leaked them, and she probably only leaked them because her real employer told her to. Also the comment she made was notably calculated too. Comparing the 5C to a Chinese knockoff? Pretty low blow.

 

Anyway she probably got paid enough money where the experience was worth it, who knows?

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Engadget has an article that explains things better.

"...after digging around the original poster's Sina Weibo profile, we deduced that this spy shot came straight out of Pegatron's Shanghai plant..."
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/24/pegatron-iphone-5c-leak/

Deducing is not proving and you can fake a profile.

I could write a bio for this site that says that I'm a 32 year old female FX specialist living in LA that has worked on dozen major motion pictures (and name them) and I could really be a 50 year old guy in Hicksville, Alabama who fixes tractors for a living

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Deducing is not proving and you can fake a profile.

I could write a bio for this site that says that I'm a 32 year old female FX specialist living in LA that has worked on dozen major motion pictures (and name them) and I could really be a 50 year old guy in Hicksville, Alabama who fixes tractors for a living

Possible, but Engadget says they've seen similar stuff before during factory tours but weren't permitted to photograph those scenes. That isn't proof that Engadget isn't "lying" of course since they don't have their own photographic evidence.
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It's Sunday!! Where's my DED Editorial?

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Possible, but Engadget says they've seen similar stuff before during factory tours but weren't permitted to photograph those scenes. That isn't proof that Engadget isn't "lying" of course since they don't have their own photographic evidence.

They saw similar things during factory tours of the Meizu factory. Meizu makes phones with black fronts and white plastic backs that look like iPhones:

http://en.meizu.com

A commenter somewhere even said that one of the screens looks like it's running Android. Maybe you can tell, does the screen with the blue/red/green colors on it resemble any of the Android startup animations or wallpapers?

The displays are also washed out at the extreme angles, which suggests non-IPS displays. Meizu phones use ASV displays so they should be ok at extreme angles but Apple doesn't use TN panels any more, even in the iPad Mini or iPod Touch.
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They saw similar things during factory tours of the Meizu factory. Meizu makes phones with black fronts and white plastic backs that look like iPhones:

http://en.meizu.com

A commenter somewhere even said that one of the screens looks like it's running Android. Maybe you can tell, does the screen with the blue/red/green colors on it resemble any of the Android startup animations or wallpapers?

The displays are also washed out at the extreme angles, which suggests non-IPS displays. Meizu phones use ASV displays so they should be ok at extreme angles but Apple doesn't use TN panels any more, even in the iPad Mini or iPod Touch.

All good questions Marvin. As far as the one phone at the top I don't personally know of any Android phones with a red/green/blue animation like that but I also couldn't possibly say there wasn't one seeing as Android home screens can be anything the manufacturer wants. The iPhone-ish round and what looks like dimensional home button doesn't resemble anything Android I've seen either, not that it proves anything. FWIW the current Meizu phone you linked looks to have a softkey for home.

In just 16 days we can revisit this thread and see if the actual iPhone looks like what we see in this photo.
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Originally Posted by toysandme View Post
Some of these phones are MUCH LARGER than the current 5...

 

Which you can tell from… absolutely nothing whatsoever, and in fact the size of the Lightning connector proves otherwise.

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Apple is too anal to have even a small test batch treated like this.  …

 

I know you're a hot FX artist and all … 1smile.gif … but I'm not so sure you're right on this.  

 

The phones all clearly have the protective film on the screen and we could assume it's also on the back, so  it's not like they would be scratched by being treated this way.  

 

I know nothing about quality assurance procedure at such a factory, but I could imagine that they might have a deal where they pick random phones out of the lineup and toss them on the rack like this to see if they light up or something.  They can't test them all, so the testing they do might not be as structured as we imagine.  

 

Every single iPhone I've ever bought has had some kind of manufacturing defect and had to be exchanged/fixed in the first month or so as a result.  If you buy them when they are brand new (the first batches like) there are actually a lot of faults, dings, etc.  

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It's Sunday!! Where's my DED Editorial?

 

He's busy digging up everything stupid Steve Ballmer ever did or said.

And it's a very long list. 1wink.gif

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The iPhone-ish round and what looks like dimensional home button doesn't resemble anything Android I've seen either

You don't remember this one?:

http://www.redmondpie.com/the-iphone-5s-knockoff-is-already-here-powered-by-jelly-bean-dual-core-processor-and-more-video/
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/152348/new-photos-of-alleged-next-gen-iphone-show-off-uni-body-designs-thinness/40#post_2183258

There's the techdy one too - also white back, black front:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/6/4498260/low-cost-iphone-allegedly-captured-in-photos-and-video

Android and knockoffs go hand in hand so it's easy to forget these things. Here's the Blackberry Z10 clone:

http://crackberry.com/android-powered-blackberry-z10-knock-hits-ebay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iSf0ygB-Ic

Some of the pictured 5Cs could be genuine but they can't all be genuine as some have opposite colored front panels and logos so some of them have to be knockoffs.
post #72 of 108
Ya .. sure.. apple takes bunch of phones, throws them all on sloted shelves with tangled wires to do Q and A.. And they do that to millions of iphones... Lol.
Are these reporters completely out o their mind to put that pic up...
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That's definitely not a good QA process if that's the case. 

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There is no reason why this phone, if it is genuine, cannot come with a black front or white front as the iPod Touch does have this variation too.

 

Two different models though aren't they?  And the black one is the cheap model?


Edited by Gazoobee - 8/25/13 at 2:59pm
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I'm no expert, but it looks fake to me. The fact that Engadget say they've seen something like this before doesn't mean this shot is real. Something about the perspective of the phones between the top row and bottom looks off to me, and some of the phone look like they're floating due to their perspective, rather than actually lying there.

 

In the end, I expect that 95+% of these leaked photos are straight outta Cupertino. They benefit immensely from the build up of interest, and they are able to tamp down interest or concern in certain things through these leaks. 

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It's ridiculous. First of all, the desperate need for advance info on upcoming Apple products, while flattering to Apple's corporate ego, has created this monster, one which leads to sites flooding their pages with these types of bogus "insider" info just to attract clicks, and even to criticism of upcoming products that are no more than vapours. Second, the lack of critical thinking being exhibited by some readers here is somewhat sad, if not a little terrifying. The old adage of pictures never lying has been turned on its head, and now it would be safer to assume that ALL photos lie, and that the truth lies hidden in any of these images, if the viewer would only look for it.

 

What is the truth of this image? Hard to say, but one thing is abundantly clear - this is not a QA department or situation in any modern electronics manufacturing facility. Shame on whoever started this, but double shame on those who are taking it at face value. And yes, shame on me for reading through this entire article and ensuing comments and then responding in any way whatsoever, but I find myself falling down these rabbit holes more and more often in pursuit of… truth?… only to find these stories based on … what?

 

I know, I'm a throwback, an anachronism, maybe even a curmudgeon, but I pine for the days when journalism was, well, journalism.

 

In brief - BS - nothing to see here folks, go back to your homes….

 

Cheers,

 

thx

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If that's quality control then Apple is going to rain down fire and sulphur on this company, not for the leaked image but for the poor treatment of these devices. Not only that every single one of them appear to be connected up using cheap, inferior Chinese knockoff power supplies... you know, the kind of power supplies that electrocute Chinese people in the bath?
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The phones themselves -- if these are not fake -- look mediocre.

Troubling.

And you can reach that conclusion simply by looking at a blurry picture? Amazing.
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For those that don't know what JR is referring to here's a plain English description:
http://www.biztechreport.com/story/1365-lean-transformations-asian-organizations

JR, correct me if I'm wrong please.

In essence I think "lean manufacturing" methods move the manufacturer's focus to achieving cost savings/efficiencies from planning by actual customer orders instead of old traditional market forecasts and projections that require inventory gambles and build-out for possible future orders. In the simplest terms if it's not a real order you don't expend company resources on it, which saves effort and increases profit.

If I'm correct Toyota's "TPS" (a marriage of "lean" and SixSigma quality guidelines perhaps?) adds a necessary level of product quality checks and balances so that excessive focus on cost savings from "lean manufacturing" doesn't result in product flaws and defects for the customer. JR no doubt knows much more about it but I don't see the details as all that important to the discussion anyway.

So this particular picture kinda leaves the impression they may be paying too much attention to the "lean" cost savings and not enough focus on the other elements of TPS. 1hmm.gif

What you've described is about 2% of Lean and much of what you've written id wrong, anyway. And it most certainly IS relevant to my post.
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The front should always be black. I've always thought this. Even if the back is hot pink with yellow speckles. The screen should draw the eye, not the bezel. That's not just an opinion, the human eye only sees three things: contrast, lines, and colors, so adding a white front a messing with the first thing just makes the mind work harder and for most people that's really asking too much from an already overtaxed mind.
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