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Sure it's makes a good marketing bullet point, but I wouldn't call it a ploy as I see a real benefit to iPhone going 64-bit that no one around the web seems to be mentioning.  While some people gargle on DED's balls as he trys to defend a technology that offers little benefit in its current implementation, I think Apple is busy setting up a base for future products (I believe jungmark hinted at this).  Having both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of an OS adds a level of fragmentation and introduces the need for backwards compatibility.  Once iOS reaches a point where the benefits of having a 64-bit OS can shine, I'm betting that they won't have to be concerned about offering 32-bit compatibility at that point as the legacy devices will then be 64-bit as well.  If this is what Apple is planning then I think it's a really smart move on their part.

 

Interesting attempt at damage control in the "64-bit is a hoax!" Android camp, but I believe your attempt to characterize the A7 using "nothing now, but 64-bit will be important when Android has it!" explanations is simply wrong. 

 

Among the apps being able to make immediate, noticeable use of the A7's new architecture is Touch ID, encryption and likely also video codecs. Also, even if there weren't ANY apps that went 64-bit, having all of the bundled software on the iPhone running against the modern, optimized new instruction set, with access to new registers and cache, all optimized by Apple's LLMV, will deliver immediate benefits.

 

You can stir up distractions and ridicule those who do get it, but the fact is that you're missing the truth because you're so indebted to a particular ideology that isn't working. You might as well be rooting for Linux netbooks. 

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And another one. 

 

Did no one re-read before posting??

 

Amid sluggish demand for conventional chips hit by poor sales of personal computers, Apple?s orders were a big help in lifting Samsung?s semiconductor business.""Amid sluggish demand for conventional chips hit by poor sales of personal computers, Apple?s orders were a big help in lifting Samsung?s semiconductor business" - Korea Times

 

You're reading the automated forum posting, not the article as it appears on the site. So what you're complaining about is a Forum presentation error, not a proofreading flaw. 

 

If you find actual typos in the article, please report them and they'll be fixed.

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Interesting attempt at damage control in the "64-bit is a hoax!" Android camp, but I believe your attempt to characterize the A7 using "nothing now, but 64-bit will be important when Android has it!" explanations is simply wrong. 

 

Among the apps being able to make immediate, noticeable use of the A7's new architecture is Touch ID, encryption and likely also video codecs. Also, even if there weren't ANY apps that went 64-bit, having all of the bundled software on the iPhone running against the modern, optimized new instruction set, with access to new registers and cache, all optimized by Apple's LLMV, will deliver immediate benefits.

 

You can stir up distractions and ridicule those who do get it, but the fact is that you're missing the truth because you're so indebted to a particular ideology that isn't working. You might as well be rooting for Linux netbooks. 

 

It would appear that your Apple tinted lenses are making you see things in what I posted that aren't really there.  Whoever you're quoting, it isn't me.

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What's holding Apple back from opening up the Apple TV to the AppStore? Instantly have a library of hundreds of thousands of games, game controller compatibility, console-level graphics with the new A7 processors ... As well as other types of media, consumption, and even productivity apps ...

Um, user input would be the main impediment.  It is completely different to, select text, by holding your finger over one spot of text, then dragging to another, where the text is directly under your finger, and doing the same with a remote touchpad to select text on your TV.

 

It requires a different UI, which the AppleTV has, principally, the concept of a cursor [which is what the highlight around the current selected item is].

 

Some games probably would work OK with a remote touchpad, but most have to rework their input mechansim for the AppleTV.

 

And then there is reconfiguring the UI to display in landscape in 720p and 1080p.

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Interesting attempt at damage control in the "64-bit is a hoax!" Android camp, but I believe your attempt to characterize the A7 using "nothing now, but 64-bit will be important when Android has it!" explanations is simply wrong. 

Among the apps being able to make immediate, noticeable use of the A7's new architecture is Touch ID, encryption and likely also video codecs. Also, even if there weren't ANY apps that went 64-bit, having all of the bundled software on the iPhone running against the modern, optimized new instruction set, with access to new registers and cache, all optimized by Apple's LLMV, will deliver immediate benefits.

You can stir up distractions and ridicule those who do get it, but the fact is that you're missing the truth because you're so indebted to a particular ideology that isn't working. You might as well be rooting for Linux netbooks. 

It would appear that your Apple tinted lenses are making you see things in what I posted that aren't really there.  Whoever you're quoting, it isn't me.

I am a Mac and iOS developer... Where can I get my hands on one of those Apple LLMVs?
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Great article Daniel as always!

 

just a few comments. First of all, in practice the need for 64 bit addressing is not just limited to DRAM. People seem to forget that we need enough address space to decode access to peripherals (both on chip and off) and fast VRAM.  

 

Recall what we saw with Windows PCs migration to 64 bit Windows. We had PC shipping with 3GB (not 4GB) while the market waited for Microsoft to get Windows 64 bit SW widely adopted.

 

Now, look at what Samsung announced earlier this month with Note 3 and the latest 10" tablet. 3GB RAM.  While I dislike Samsung, I honestly do think Samsung had plans for 64 bit HW, but was waiting for Android SW stock to catch up.  Same problem as we had with Windows PCs. If Google had released 64 bit Android prior (this past summer), I think Samsung would have released 64 HW a few weeks ago and shipping with 4GB RAM instead of being capped with 3GB specs.    I think Samsung needs 64 as of today.   Anyone who thinks Samsung did not want 64 bit SW support for this year's Note 3 and 10.1 tablet would be ignorant. Did they need it, no. Did they want it, yes.

 

However, I do think Samsung was surprised that Apple had made the jump to 64bit both in SW and HW so soon because iOS was only using 1GB RAM in prior iOS HW (likely only 2GB of total address space) . I think Samsung and Google thought they had more time to get their 64 SW stack story together before Apple raised the bar. 

 

Samsung miscalculated Apple's timing and their plans for 64bit were no doubt gated by Google's Android timeline; something they do not yet control to the level required to make the switch to complete 64 bit product themselves.   No doubt they are more in hurry  now to push Google to support 64 bit SW now that Apple has made the switch. Get the whip!


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The argument about Qualcomm chips being used in Samsung in North America is uninformed - they are used because Qualcomm has a monopoly on the cellular baseband chips required for several of the carriers in North America, and it is better power to use Qualcomm's all-in-one than to use Qualcomm's baseband only chip with Samsung's Exynos. Several companies have done this, including Samsung's S3, so nothing new to see here.

 

The point is that if samsung putting out there flagship phone the gs4 don't use the very fastest processor the exynos of there own design, it basically means they have no faith in there own architecture.  So no its not uniformed.  You would think they would want there most prestigious device to be the fastest and most capable device they sell everywhere. So yes there is a lot new to see here.

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I am a Mac and iOS developer... Where can I get my hands on one of those Apple LLMVs?

If you are a Mac and iOS developer, and reasonably up to date with XCode, you already have been using LLVM for quite some time.

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edited to be more accurate - I see appleinsider as the opposite Anandtech - good for news and business insights, not so good on technical details. Stick to what you're good at and don't try to throw in tech details you don't really understand.

 

Judging from your 2 posts here you should go back to anandtech.  Since this a stupid sight in your eyes.  and if you actually read the article you would see that DED is quoting other people that DO know what there talking about, when talking about technical issues. He even quotes Brian Klug and Anand Lal Shimpi's reactions to the new A7 and they were impressed.


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I rarely comment here, but his and some other related articles by AppleInsider require an immediate hats off. Dan this is just an excellent analysis and article and kudos to whoever staff contributions may have also been involved. Thanks again. Just excellent work! I hope you're proud of it, you should be....
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The argument about Qualcomm chips being used in Samsung in North America is uninformed - they are used because Qualcomm has a monopoly on the cellular baseband chips required for several of the carriers in North America, and it is better power to use Qualcomm's all-in-one than to use Qualcomm's baseband only chip with Samsung's Exynos. Several companies have done this, including Samsung's S3, so nothing new to see here.

Let me get this straight, Samsung does not ship a "better" SoC in NA because they are worried about power. Interesting logic.

Note that Apple A6 and A7 uses the off  SoC Qualcomm chip and has a smaller battery than the Samsung S4.   Yet they don't seem to have this power issue you speak about.    

 

Also if you look at the BOM breakout in the article you will see the S4 in NA (Qualcomm SoC) still uses external Qualcomm radio. 

Apparently, from the BOM breakout even Samsung Exynos uses external radio too and is only cheaper by a buck compared to Qualcomm external radio.

 

So where exactly is this power saving you speak of?

I think its more to do with cost of buying just the Qualcomm radio in NA vs both Qualcomm SoC and external Qualcomm Radio.  Just want radio with CDMA? ok bend over and pay us $40 bucks.. but if you buy both Qualcom SoC and Qualcom external radio we will give you deal. 


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I am a Mac and iOS developer... Where can I get my hands on one of those Apple LLMVs?
If you are a Mac and iOS developer, and reasonably up to date with XCode, you already have been using LLVM for quite some time.

Yes, I have been using LLVM for some time -- but the op referred to a LLMV.
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Daniel,

 

I enjoy your articles so much. Really, some of the best research and reporting in the business. AI has really stepped up the quality of its editorials, and it is much appreciated.

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Android is dominating the world market because it's user base is more demanding and not so willing to follow whatever their OEM of choice tells them. Android users have no sense of loyalty that allows Google and the device OEM of choice to sit on their fat behinds and offer the same phone year after year. I want Apple to get better and start leading the market again with real innovations rather than stupid new kid color phones. I want an iPhone that gives me my money's worth in hardware not just software. The only way this will happen is for us Apple customers to be more demanding than we are now. It seems everyone here has forgotten how much we have bragged about our AMAZING iDevices and their amazing RELIABILITY. Who do you think provided all those amazing reliable parts right up to now. SAMSUNG!!! 

 

I for one prefer a company that uses the "throw everything and see what sticks" strategy as it truly reveals a company that is eager to see what the CONSUMER REALLY WANTS. Forget all the stupid surveys that ask me what I want, just make everything you can and let me and the rest of the market decide what we like with our $$$. Then start making just those device. This is the most ideal for consumers. I don't want a company telling me whats best for me. We the customers will decide with our dollars. You the company just put out everything you can. Of course this is more costly to the company, but at least I know I'm buying from a company that actually cares about what I want rather than fattening their profit margin year after year. Apple please copy this strategy from Samsung. It truly puts the consumer first. Stop telling me I want some hideous gold iPhone or high gloss plastic cheaply made iPhones with beyond ugly cases to go with it. Just stop being the greediest company on this planet and start giving me value again. Please Apple, Please. 

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"Not in the shortest time," Samsung's co-CEO Shin Jong-kyun said, "but yes, our next smartphones will have 64-bit processing functionality."


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"Not in the shortest time," Samsung's co-CEO Shin Jong-kyun said, "but yes, our next smartphones will have 64-bit processing functionality."


Shades of Microsoft Cairo...

 

Hmmm....so did Apple copy Android OEMs by going dual core? What happened to it's all about the software? Did they copy Samsung with the 4 inch screen? What happened to 3.5 inches was perfect?

Any chance going 64 bit was the next evolution of CPU? Any chance this would have to do more with ARMs architecture already heading this way? As I stated before, I want Apple to lead once again, but they never will if it's user base are blind loyalists. This causes a company to sit on it's fat rear and fall behind. Apple is falling behind because most of it's user base eat up anything Apple serves them. I am asking all my fellow Apple fans to stops this embarrassing way of thinking and start demanding more. Stop wasting your time on whether or not other companies will full fill their promises. 

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It's quite sad how there are so many blind loyalists that they will quickly swallow anything written by another blind loyalist. Android is dominating the world market because it's user base is more demanding and not so willing to follow whatever their OEM of choice tells them.

ROTFLMAO.

Android users are more demanding? Then why do they put up with such a crappy OS?
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It's quite sad how there are so many blind loyalists that they will quickly swallow anything written by another blind loyalist. Android is dominating the world market because it's user base is more demanding and not so willing to follow whatever their OEM of choice tells them.

ROTFLMAO.

Android users are more demanding? Then why do they put up with such a crappy OS?

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It's quite sad how there are so many blind loyalists that they will quickly swallow anything written by another blind loyalist. Android is dominating the world market because it's user base is more demanding and not so willing to follow whatever their OEM of choice tells them.

To create a brand for which people are loyal is sad?   Not sure, I would call that sad. I would call that an accomplishment.  To not have any loyally to any product because you are unsatisfied with the brand or your purchase is the sad part to companies to make these products.

 

Android is popular because people are looking for the best perceived bang for the buck.  Lower price can not be overlooked and forces people to consider alternatives to the benchmark.  Most of which are first time smartphone owners.

 

Unlike products which have a long life time, smartphones are relatively new and units have relative short life spans.  People are willing to gamble on a cheaper product.  Especially if it advertises lots of "features" which may look useful, however its hard to judge if they will actually be used.  This is why first time smartphone owners choose Android vs iOS.  It's cheaper and has many perceive features, including a bigger screen.  More for the money, is the angle. You pay less and are perceived to get more.  Hard to ignore for many first time smart phone owners.

 

However, its also equally interesting to see how many eventually gravitate to iOS for their second phone.  

Loyalty is not automatic, its earned.   Sorry to hear you have not found a product which makes you loyal to a brand.  Assuming you are a previous Apple owner, its obvious that Apple has failed to earn your loyalty.  

 

However, I am at a loss as why it appears to sadden you to see others for which Apple has most definitely earned their loyalty. You would think you would be happy for them that they have found a product and brand they love.  Obviously you have not found this product or brand yet. This is what is sad my friend.

 

However, my gut tells me that what you feel toward others who love the Apple brand may not be "sadness"... I think it may be a different emotion.  Hopefully it is something you are working on figuring out and why it makes you feel this way towards others who are happy with the brand. 


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ROTFLMAO.

Android users are more demanding? Then why do they put up with such a crappy OS?

 

Please, please, we need to all stick together on this. We can't waiver now. We need to get more demanding on Apple or we will keep falling behind. We need real high end hardware that will run all features of upcoming OS updates. No more of this leaving out of features for devices that are only a year old like when Siri was introduced. I find it extremely disturbing that so many of my fellow Apple fans are accepting such practices. Android will eat us up alive if we don't do this. I see Android customers jumping from OEM to OEM. Their lack of loyalty is extremely refreshing and so important for the market to keep growing. HTC was an Android monster at first now they are a dying company all because they were not giving the consumer what the consumer wanted. Those android consumer are that demanding. They will let a company die for their mistakes. This is how brutally demanding we Apple customers must be. Please stop the blind loyalty. I beg  you all, please stop it. I will never get the chance to own the Apple device I want if so many other blind loyalist keep falling for the same phone year after year. 

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I for one prefer a company that uses the "throw everything and see what sticks" strategy as it truly reveals a company that is eager to see what the CONSUMER REALLY WANTS.

 

You don't have a clue what you want, nor how to run a business. Now go sit in the corner and bump your phone. You'd still be using a miniature physical keyboard were it not for Apple.

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It's quite sad how there are so many blind loyalists that they will quickly swallow anything written by another blind loyalist. Android is dominating the world market because it's user base is more demanding and not so willing to follow whatever their OEM of choice tells them.
To create a brand for which people are loyal is sad?   Not sure, I would call that sad. I would call that an accomplishment.  To not have any loyally to any product because you are unsatisfied with the brand or your purchase is the sad part to companies to make these products.

Android is popular because people are looking for the best perceived bang for the buck.  Lower price can not be overlooked and forces people to consider alternatives to the benchmark.  Most of which are first time smartphone owners.

Unlike products which have a long life time, smartphones are relatively new and units have relative short life spans.  People are willing to gamble on a cheaper product.  Especially if it advertises lots of "features" which may look useful, however its hard to judge if they will actually be used.  This is why first time smartphone owners choose Android vs iOS.  It's cheaper and has many perceive features, including a bigger screen.  More for the money, is the angle. You pay less and are perceived to get more.  Hard to ignore for many first time smart phone owners.

However, its also equally interesting to see how many eventually gravitate to iOS for their second phone.  
Loyalty is not automatic, its earned.   Sorry to hear you have not found a product which makes you loyal to a brand.  Assuming you are a previous Apple owner, its obvious that Apple has failed to earn your loyalty.  

However, I am at a loss as why it appears to sadden you to see others for which Apple has most definitely earned their loyalty. You would think you would be happy for them that they have found a product and brand they love.  Obviously you have not found this product or brand yet. This is what is sad my friend.  I don't think what you feel toward other who love Apple as "sadness"... I think it may be a different emotion.


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You don't have a clue what you want, nor how to run a business. Now go sit in the corner and bump your phone. You'd still be using a miniature physical keyboard were it not for Apple.

 

Yes this is what I'm talking about. I have to BUMP my phone because Apple does not have NFC. Samsung has had Wifi Direct since the Galaxy S2, and it is amazing. Why can't Apple do such a thing. File transfers are incredibly fast. Please help me make Apple better so we no longer have to download an App and ridiculously Bump our expensive iPhones. These phone are like jewels, we should not be forced to treat them this way just to transfer files and use up data. Wifi Direct is extremely easy, no need to bump anything, and it uses absolutely no data. Maybe you have some suggestions on how we can get Apple to implement this. I'm open to anything to help the iPhone get better and better to be the best iPhone ever. 

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I have to BUMP my phone because Apple does not have NFC.

 

Thanks for confirming you've never used an Apple product.

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Er, note his join date, number of posts -- then review his posts. They are all anti apple posts on pro Apple site.

Nothing to be gained, for him or us, by encouraging his further activity.

 

Please don't treat me different because I am new. I've been an Apple customer forever, but I want Apple to get better. We all share that same interest. I hope we can all make that happen. btw, it is nice to meet you Dick. 

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I've been an Apple customer forever, but

 

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You don't have a clue what you want, nor how to run a business. Now go sit in the corner and bump your phone. You'd still be using a miniature physical keyboard were it not for Apple.

 

 Samsung has had Wifi Direct since the Galaxy S2, and it is amazing. Why can't Apple do such a thing. File transfers are incredibly fast. ...Wifi Direct is extremely easy, no need to bump anything, and it uses absolutely no data. 

with all this excitement in your tone, you still are not loyal to Samsung?  What is it going to take to make you loyal to the Samsung brand? Why are you not loyal to Samsung? What could you possiblity not be happy with? We have plenty of Samsung reps here on the forum, I am sure they are listening and would be happy to make you their loyal customer. 

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It would appear that your Apple tinted lenses are making you see things in what I posted that aren't really there.  Whoever you're quoting, it isn't me.

 

well my electrical engineering glasses were on when I read this and the referenced articles and the fact that the a7 chip has both 64bit and 32bit cores makes 'compatibility mode' somewhat spurious.  Obviously you need better glasses, as you don't see the basic architecture of the a7.  

 

Out of the box,  if it was compiled in 32bit, you run in 32bit.  and obtw, the next run through Xcode, create a universal binary, send to AppStore, and you're running 64 bit.   Apple's been doing universal binaries for what, 21 years on 7 platforms (68K, rs6000, Sun, HP PA Risk, PowerPc, Intel x86, and ARM) …  they do it better than most.

 

64 bit is less about the 4gb memory, and more about faster data paths.  This helps graphics (sending 2X the data per clock), as well as encryption (~2x as fast).   And given this is a graphically interface with every application in an encrypted sandbox… 64 bit makes for immediate benefit for a computer that is really measured in response time to display an update to the multi-megapixel screen.

 

And it does lay down a long term capabilities of Apple's platform (I wonder if Intel is looking at Haswell, and wondering how long MacBook Airs are running on Haswell chips).

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with all this excitement in your tone, you still are not loyal to Samsung?  What is it going to take to make you loyal to the Samsung brand? Why are you not loyal to Samsung? What could you possiblity not be happy with?

 

I will never buy Samsung, please do not ever suggest such a thing. But I do like the features Samsung has in their phones. Other Android phones don't seem to do the same thing. I want Apple to put in these amazing features like wifi direct. I would like everyone to help me make Apple the industry leader in hardware, not just software. I think it would be amazing. btw, it is nice to meet you as well snova. I feel like I'm making so many friends today. 

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with all this excitement in your tone, you still are not loyal to Samsung?  What is it going to take to make you loyal to the Samsung brand? Why are you not loyal to Samsung? What could you possiblity not be happy with?

 

I will never buy Samsung, please do not ever suggest such a thing. But I do like the features Samsung has in their phones. Other Android phones don't seem to do the same thing. I want Apple to put in these amazing features like wifi direct. I would like everyone to help me make Apple the industry leader in hardware, not just software. I think it would be amazing. btw, it is nice to meet you as well snova. I feel like I'm making so many friends today. 

 

Stevel, 

 

let me be the first then to tell you that Apple has implemented Point to Point Wifi transfer in iOS7 its call AirDrop.  They also already have it in OS X too for a year now and works very well.( 10.8.x - Mountain Lion). I hope this made your day.

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I own no Apple products, but have always had high regard for the company. I read all the news about Apple on many Apple sites, but when I read an editorial by Daniel Dilger in Appleinsider, it was like a slap in the face to what I believed was happening at Apple. While not in a downward spiral, Apple certainly lost something special with no forward thinking, just one of many competing for the same demo. That was my take from the many articles I read. What a surprise to learn another side from Mr. Dilger. While I don't appreciate fanboy glows, I do appreciate his obvious work on this article. It has restored my faith in a great company.
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btw, it is nice to meet you as well snova. I feel like I'm making so many friends today. 

some people have a positive aura about them and immediately come across as thoughtful, knowledgeable that they immediately draw praise, respect and admiration from everyone around them. You have a gift and I am sure this is the reason why you are so successful here and in your personal life.  Best wishes to you and thank you for caring enough to bring Samsung Wifi Direct vs Apple BUMP transfers to our attention.  Its this kind of insightful posting, targeted at "simple minded" Apple loyalists which directly make them question their happiness with the Apple brand and make the Apple product better in the future. 


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Apple certainly lost something special with no forward thinking

 

Thanks for your useful and accurate assessment of whatever you're pretending is the case.

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Excellent article.

1. If Steve Jobs were still alive, no doubt he'd be a real life Tony Stark.

2. With the A7 chip and the fingerprint technology, what evil and devastation could some rogue nation whip up with a stolen or purchased iPhone 5S?
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Those saying a move to a 64-bit processor is useless are being short sighted, though yes the immediate benefits aren't great. Apple should be commended for being the first in market.

 

Those saying Samsung, Qualcomm or other ARM users are only moving to 64-bit processors b/c of Apple's announcement are equally as foolish.  Their designs using ARMv8 have likely been in progress for at least a year and the design, tooling, testing, and manufacturing of a new processor is years in the making.  You cannot "decide" to launch a 64-bit processor in a year.

 

What is impressive is that Apple was able to be the first to market by a considerable margin. However, I'd expect that by next year, it'll be pretty commonplace.

 

The A7 is certainly an impressive chip, but the Qualcomm S800 has also been eye-raising this fall with amazing performance and power  sipping. These two are clearly the chips to have at the moment. I wonder what Qualcomm will announce this coming January as that's when they announced the S600 and S800 - they clearly are hitting their stride as well.

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We should be glad Samsung is forcing Apple to innovate this good.
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We should be glad Samsung is forcing Apple to innovate this good.

 

you are right. If it was not for Samsung there would have never been an iPod,  iPhone or an iPad.   Forget about asking yourself "what would Steve do";  its "what would Samsung do." /s

 

I am sure Apple is racing right now to copy the Samsung Gear watch as we speak. A champagne "gold" variant with an innovative bigger screen and a mini version with a smaller screen. /s


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well my electrical engineering glasses were on when I read this and the referenced articles and the fact that the a7 chip has both 64bit and 32bit cores makes 'compatibility mode' somewhat spurious.  Obviously you need better glasses, as you don't see the basic architecture of the a7.  

 

Out of the box,  if it was compiled in 32bit, you run in 32bit.  and obtw, the next run through Xcode, create a universal binary, send to AppStore, and you're running 64 bit.   Apple's been doing universal binaries for what, 21 years on 7 platforms (68K, rs6000, Sun, HP PA Risk, PowerPc, Intel x86, and ARM) …  they do it better than most.

 

64 bit is less about the 4gb memory, and more about faster data paths.  This helps graphics (sending 2X the data per clock), as well as encryption (~2x as fast).   And given this is a graphically interface with every application in an encrypted sandbox… 64 bit makes for immediate benefit for a computer that is really measured in response time to display an update to the multi-megapixel screen.

 

And it does lay down a long term capabilities of Apple's platform (I wonder if Intel is looking at Haswell, and wondering how long MacBook Airs are running on Haswell chips).

 

Excellent post.  iPhone response time isn't exactly lacking in it's current form so I'm not convinced that the current system will see any enormous change, but I think we both agree that the move to 64-bit adds to the long term capabilities of the iOS platform and will be beneficial down the road.


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