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Office 365 is available on Android, iOS and I'd presume Windows phone.

 

Desperation.

 

Office365 is not Microsoft Office as most people understand it; you need to install Desktop Office first and it's a subscription service and after 2 months you would have spent enough to buy Pages for iOS. Then of course you would also need an online connection to get all you've paid for.

 

Here's part of a review from PCMag on Home Office365:

 

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Until Microsoft completely redesigns all of Office's dialog boxes, this problem will hinder Office on tablets. Apple got this right when it gave its office apps—Pages, Numbers, and Keynote—a completely different interface on touch screen devices and on full-scale computers, with all controls easy for even the clumsiest fingers to manage. Maybe Microsoft will get Office's touch screen interface right in the next version.
 
Maybe. So far it doesn't look good though given Microsoft's embarrassing attempt with Surface.
 
Then, from MacWorld's review Office Mobile for Office 365:
 
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As a word processing tool, Word in Office Mobile is, at best, an uneven experience and at worst, an exercise in frustration. Word does not behave like any iOS app you’ve ever used to edit text.

 

Standards? What are they?

 

 

Macworld again looking at what you can expect when creating a presentation:

 

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PowerPoint offers the least features of all three apps. PowerPoint is essentially a viewing tool with some minor editing capabilities. You can make changes to text, but really nothing else.

 

Ho hum.

 

Whereas PCMag had this to say about Keynote for iOS:
 
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Like the other members of the iWork for iPhone suite, Keynote not only impresses with its elegant interface, but it is also surprisingly capable at creating compelling presentations, which you can save as PowerPoint, PDF, or Keynote desktop files. The app even offers animations and presenter's notes, both beloved of today's lecturers.
 
And Pages, Numbers and Keynote are now to be free on all new devices running iOS7. Smart move.
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Yes, as said it is a step into the future.

The beauty here, is that for Apple, if income on the older 32 bit app platform is negligible then they can force move all new apps to 64 bit.
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Perhaps when your Internet access is restored you can Google it.

Nice (and confusing, why are you commenting on my internet access?).  It's a reasonable question.  I can't find any current smartphones that are reasonably comparable to the iPhone 5 (i.e. excepting ones with jewel encrusted buttons and solid gold chassis) that are more expensive.

 

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Not even close.

Plenty close.   Same order of magnitude.   They (Galaxy S4 and iPhone 5) both sold in the tens of millions, and tens of millions is not "small quantities".


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Desperation.

 

Office365 is not Microsoft Office as most people understand it; you need to install Desktop Office first and it's a subscription service and after 2 months you would have spent enough to buy Pages for iOS. Then of course you would also need an online connection to get all you've paid for.

 

Here's part of a review from PCMag on Home Office365:

 

 
Maybe. So far it doesn't look good though given Microsoft's embarrassing attempt with Surface.
 
Then, from MacWorld's review Office Mobile for Office 365:
 

 

Standards? What are they?

 

 

Macworld again looking at what you can expect when creating a presentation:

 

 

Ho hum.

 

Whereas PCMag had this to say about Keynote for iOS:
 
 
 
And Pages, Numbers and Keynote are now to be free on all new devices running iOS7. Smart move.

 

I'll take your word on it as I don't use Office 365 or iWork.  Office 365 is the new Office though.  I make no claim of it being good or bad on any platforms as I don't like the subscription model for software.  I prefer to own the software I spend money on, not rent it.

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This writer's dead end assumptions for the Exynos Octacore couldn't be more wrong. It's been quite apparent for some time that Samsung was spending another $4 Billion Dollars in Austin Texas for expansion. Which again makes them the largest corporate investor in Apple's own backyard!

What do you think all that expansion money was spent on? Just to turn off and sit idol? lol... and here's the truth on Octacore for you. Samsung has been a part of HSA for some time. If you all are too busy dissing on one of Apple's most vital parts suppliers to notice, HSA stands for Heterogeneous System Architecture. AMD if you remember is promising HSA on their 64bit chips by year's end.
http://hothardware.com/News/Samsung-Joins-The-HSA-Foundation-Your-Next-Galaxy-with-AMD-Inside/

An even bigger partnership with common platform alliance and mobile chip makers than Apple's Samsung partnership is in the works. That includes ARM, Imagination, AMD, Mediatek, Texas Instruments, etc right now. Samsung joined the HSA last year and they have already been sampling A50 64bit series chips for over 9 months as one of ARM's first licensees, if not the first. They are also swiftly moving into new foundry lines in their Austin Fab. Projected for their latest move into Gate Last 20nm/22nm SoC fabrication! .....is this somehow tied to Apple being their first customer? Only time will tell, but all you haters need to get a grip and hope Samsung as big and strong as they are, still have production space available to furnish Apple's needs, on their way to expansion of chip foundries everywhere in the world!

If Apple and Samsung aren't partners now, after renewing their chip contract, we're in for a real knock down drag out hockey fight. Because they've just knocked Global Foundries out of 3rd place and are now knocking on TSMC's back door and taking some prime customers with them already. Including Nvidia their homey! .....not to mention Broadcomm and Qualcomm chip fabrication. Sorry but I don't believe the TSMC contract panned out. Because they couldn't possibly move to expand as fast as SAMSUNG with it's total surplus of fat pockets compared to them. That's my say... and I'm sticking to the fact that Samsung will still be one of the best quality parts suppliers Apple has. If using Samsung's latest greatest and fastest memory in new Macbooks is an example. We all know Samsung has the bargaining end of the big stick!
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This writer's dead end assumptions for the Exynos Octacore couldn't be more wrong. It's been quite apparent for some time that Samsung was spending another $4 Billion Dollars in Austin Texas for expansion. Which again makes them the largest corporate investor in Apple's own backyard!

What do you think all that expansion money was spent on? Just to turn off and sit idol? lol... and here's the truth on Octacore for you. Samsung has been a part of HSA for some time. If you all are too busy dissing on one of Apple's most vital parts suppliers to notice, HSA stands for Heterogeneous System Architecture. AMD if you remember is promising HSA on their 64bit chips by year's end.
http://hothardware.com/News/Samsung-Joins-The-HSA-Foundation-Your-Next-Galaxy-with-AMD-Inside/

An even bigger partnership with common platform alliance and mobile chip makers than Apple's Samsung partnership is in the works. That includes ARM, Imagination, AMD, Mediatek, Texas Instruments, etc right now. Samsung joined the HSA last year and they have already been sampling A50 64bit series chips for over 9 months as one of ARM's first licensees, if not the first. They are also swiftly moving into new foundry lines in their Austin Fab. Projected for their latest move into Gate Last 20nm/22nm SoC fabrication! .....is this somehow tied to Apple being their first customer? Only time will tell, but all you haters need to get a grip and hope Samsung as big and strong as they are, still have production space available to furnish Apple's needs, on their way to expansion of chip foundries everywhere in the world!

If Apple and Samsung aren't partners now, after renewing their chip contract, we're in for a real knock down drag out hockey fight. Because they've just knocked Global Foundries out of 3rd place and are now knocking on TSMC's back door and taking some prime customers with them already. Including Nvidia their homey! .....not to mention Broadcomm and Qualcomm chip fabrication. Sorry but I don't believe the TSMC contract panned out. Because they couldn't possibly move to expand as fast as SAMSUNG with it's total surplus of fat pockets compared to them. That's my say... and I'm sticking to the fact that Samsung will still be one of the best quality parts suppliers Apple has. If using Samsung's latest greatest and fastest memory in new Macbooks is an example. We all know Samsung has the bargaining end of the big stick!

how much are they paying you… Wow...

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Exynos 5 Octa disastrous? lol... now that's really funny. Since they've just finished expanding production in the hopes of keeping up with sales this year alone. Plus they were the FIRST to sign up for ARM A50 64bit chips last year on top of signing licensing deals with them being the first to incorporate ARM's own big LITTLE chip technology. Even Nvidia has their own form of big/LITTLE chip design. Better look up HSA members, so you don't get caught blowing chunks and hating for hate sake only.

Here's a reminder on just who is projected to sell more smartphones this year, while also cornering the market on feature phones too. Except this year Samsung's smartphone sales will be taking a back seat to Samsung smartphones along with Apple. Samsung is on target to sell well over 300 million smartphones by year's end and that to Apple's just half of that at 150 Million even with the new cheap model launch. Want that fact driven home a little deeper? Samsung will sell more than half of all SMARTPHONES SOLD ON THE PLANET THIS YEAR! ....and Apple will sell only a quarter of that total with various other Android device makers selling the other 25% leaving Apple's iOS vs Android at a 4 to 1 disadvantage this year!

Instead of FUD'ing up the Truth, you should take some time to find out what's really going on between these two partners instead of making up facts to suit your lame story!

Samsung has two plans of action, they put into play last year, that together cry bullpucky on all your Anti-Samsung vitriol spewing nonsense. One... they are a member of HSA (heterogeneous System Architecture) Foundation that will enable the use of all 8 cores simultaneously for calculations on whichever core is free and whichever OS is best for the job.

They also have at least one more product to launch this year that could have an their A50 64bit series chip, running along with A7's for the really big Exynos arse kicker. Running wouldn't you know it, both 64bit Tizen along side Android in ARM's hardware virtualization enabled on that 64bit chip! :DDD .....realizing that two heads are better than ONE!!!
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Originally Posted by Applewellian
We all know Samsung has the bargaining end of the big stick!

 

We being “myself and the rest of my fellow Samsung employees, having been told this by our Glorious Leaders”?

 

Originally Posted by Applewellian
Here's a reminder on just who is projected to sell more smartphones this year

 

A company with 200 models, 80% of which are cheap pieces of trash (the other 20% being expensive pieces of trash) sold to third world countries… is going to sell more phones than a company with three models? 

 

Tell us more amazing things, Mr. Shill!

 
Samsung is on target to sell well over 300 million smartphones by year's end and that to Apple's just half of that at 150 Million even with the new cheap model launch.

 

Again, three models versus 200. And Apple still sells HALF of what Samsung does? Sounds like you guys are just plain pathetic, huh?

 
Samsung will sell more than half of all SMARTPHONES SOLD ON THE PLANET THIS YEAR!

 

The only fact you’re driving home is that Samsung products are throwaway devices, designed to break in a year and be meaningless to replace.

 
Samsung has two plans of action, they put into play last year…

 

Plan 1: Steal everything that Apple does.

Plan 2: Ask for money from the South Korean government so we don’t go bankrupt otherwise.

 
One… they are a member of HSA (heterogeneous System Architecture) Foundation…

 

Apple’s a member of the Blu-ray board. Membership ≠ anything whatsoever to do with implementing whatever is claimed. 

 

And what does being able to use all the cores (that are, by your admission, apparently worthless and wasted right now) when the software isn’t made by you and doesn’t do the same?

 
They also have at least one more product to launch this year that could have an their A50 64bit series chip, running along with A7's for the really big Exynos arse kicker.

 

How pathetic. It’ll be fun to be reminded of phones with three hours of battery life again, though.

 
:DDD

 

Get out for this alone.

 
...realizing that two heads are better than ONE!!! 

 

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Or maybe South Korea doesn’t have that idiom.

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Apple will sell "only" a quarter of all smartphones next year?

 

Wow, truly doomed.

 

I bet they earn "only" three quarters of all the profit as well.

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Exynos 5 Octa disastrous? lol... now that's really funny. Since they've just finished expanding production in the hopes of keeping up with sales this year alone. Plus they were the FIRST to sign up for ARM A50 64bit chips last year on top of signing licensing deals with them being the first to incorporate ARM's own big LITTLE chip technology. Even Nvidia has their own form of big/LITTLE chip design. Better look up HSA members, so you don't get caught blowing chunks and hating for hate sake only.



Here's a reminder on just who is projected to sell more smartphones this year, while also cornering the market on feature phones too. Except this year Samsung's smartphone sales will be taking a back seat to Samsung smartphones along with Apple. Samsung is on target to sell well over 300 million smartphones by year's end and that to Apple's just half of that at 150 Million even with the new cheap model launch. Want that fact driven home a little deeper? Samsung will sell more than half of all SMARTPHONES SOLD ON THE PLANET THIS YEAR! ....and Apple will sell only a quarter of that total with various other Android device makers selling the other 25% leaving Apple's iOS vs Android at a 4 to 1 disadvantage this year!



Instead of FUD'ing up the Truth, you should take some time to find out what's really going on between these two partners instead of making up facts to suit your lame story!



Samsung has two plans of action, they put into play last year, that together cry bullpucky on all your Anti-Samsung vitriol spewing nonsense. One... they are a member of HSA (heterogeneous System Architecture) Foundation that will enable the use of all 8 cores simultaneously for calculations on whichever core is free and whichever OS is best for the job.



They also have at least one more product to launch this year that could have an their A50 64bit series chip, running along with A7's for the really big Exynos arse kicker. Running wouldn't you know it, both 64bit Tizen along side Android in ARM's hardware virtualization enabled on that 64bit chip! :DDD .....realizing that two heads are better than ONE!!!

 


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Seems like the latest consensus is that A7 is actually manufactured by Samsung.

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Seems like the latest consensus is that A7 is actually manufactured by Samsung.

 

Manufactured ≠ made, of course.

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Manufactured ≠ made, of course.

 

made designed by, of course

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Manufactured ≠ made, of course.

 

Yes...Manufactured = Made.  At least within the context of "Samsung may have lost Apple's A7 contract to TSMC".

 

I'll take Anand conjecture over DED "facts" any day of the week.

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This writer's dead end assumptions for the Exynos Octacore couldn't be more wrong. It's been quite apparent for some time that Samsung was spending another $4 Billion Dollars in Austin Texas for expansion. Which again makes them the largest corporate investor in Apple's own backyard!

What do you think all that expansion money was spent on? Just to turn off and sit idol? lol... and here's the truth on Octacore for you. Samsung has been a part of HSA for some time. If you all are too busy dissing on one of Apple's most vital parts suppliers to notice, HSA stands for Heterogeneous System Architecture. AMD if you remember is promising HSA on their 64bit chips by year's end.
http://hothardware.com/News/Samsung-Joins-The-HSA-Foundation-Your-Next-Galaxy-with-AMD-Inside/

An even bigger partnership with common platform alliance and mobile chip makers than Apple's Samsung partnership is in the works. That includes ARM, Imagination, AMD, Mediatek, Texas Instruments, etc right now. Samsung joined the HSA last year and they have already been sampling A50 64bit series chips for over 9 months as one of ARM's first licensees, if not the first. They are also swiftly moving into new foundry lines in their Austin Fab. Projected for their latest move into Gate Last 20nm/22nm SoC fabrication! .....is this somehow tied to Apple being their first customer? Only time will tell, but all you haters need to get a grip and hope Samsung as big and strong as they are, still have production space available to furnish Apple's needs, on their way to expansion of chip foundries everywhere in the world!

If Apple and Samsung aren't partners now, after renewing their chip contract, we're in for a real knock down drag out hockey fight. Because they've just knocked Global Foundries out of 3rd place and are now knocking on TSMC's back door and taking some prime customers with them already. Including Nvidia their homey! .....not to mention Broadcomm and Qualcomm chip fabrication. Sorry but I don't believe the TSMC contract panned out. Because they couldn't possibly move to expand as fast as SAMSUNG with it's total surplus of fat pockets compared to them. That's my say... and I'm sticking to the fact that Samsung will still be one of the best quality parts suppliers Apple has. If using Samsung's latest greatest and fastest memory in new Macbooks is an example. We all know Samsung has the bargaining end of the big stick!

You do know that Apple founded ARM, in partnership with Acorn, don't you?

It's right there on ARM's website, along with their first licensee which most definitely was not Samsung.
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Those saying a move to a 64-bit processor is useless are being short sighted, though yes the immediate benefits aren't great. Apple should be commended for being the first in market.

 

Those saying Samsung, Qualcomm or other ARM users are only moving to 64-bit processors b/c of Apple's announcement are equally as foolish.  Their designs using ARMv8 have likely been in progress for at least a year and the design, tooling, testing, and manufacturing of a new processor is years in the making.  You cannot "decide" to launch a 64-bit processor in a year.

 

What is impressive is that Apple was able to be the first to market by a considerable margin. However, I'd expect that by next year, it'll be pretty commonplace.

 

The A7 is certainly an impressive chip, but the Qualcomm S800 has also been eye-raising this fall with amazing performance and power  sipping. These two are clearly the chips to have at the moment. I wonder what Qualcomm will announce this coming January as that's when they announced the S600 and S800 - they clearly are hitting their stride as well

 

 

While I agree that there are reasons to move to 64 bit and most people were 'moving' there, the problem is getting 5 different groups to align on them

1) Google/Android: They need to step up and build out 64 bit reference platform
2) 53a/57a or combo by the Chip makers 
3) HW vendors need to decide on a chip
4) carriers have to decide to buy it.
5) developers have to want to port to it.

 

Apple controls 1-3, and IF Apple makes an iPhone,  Carriers WILL buy it, and Apple typically makes it easy for developers to have a low threshold to cross to achieve the incentives of a huge market.

 

In short, Apple can make a decision like this in LESS than a year, and make it with synergy among all the parts, not just slapping a 64bit chip in the build, a label on the box ("64Bit Inside!!") and running the OS and/or all/most of the apps in 32 bit mode.

 

The most immediate benefit for Apple is that it extends a lead for several months, as well as getting huge profiling information for tuning real world apps against their 64 bit offering, and prepping them for the 'big memory' ARM systems [laptops].  At the $200 profit per handset unit level, that lead is golden.

 

There's always great technology out there… the problem is integrating it into a solution, and knowing when to do so.

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Apple sold their stake in ARM over ten years ago, it's not really relevant.

They do however, own a 10% stake in Imagination Technologies.

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While I agree that there are reasons to move to 64 bit and most people were 'moving' there, the problem is getting 5 different groups to align on them

1) Google/Android: They need to step up and build out 64 bit reference platform
2) 53a/57a or combo by the Chip makers 
3) HW vendors need to decide on a chip
4) carriers have to decide to buy it.
5) developers have to want to port to it.

 

Apple controls 1-3, and IF Apple makes an iPhone,  Carriers WILL buy it, and Apple typically makes it easy for developers to have a low threshold to cross to achieve the incentives of a huge market.

 

In short, Apple can make a decision like this in LESS than a year, and make it with synergy among all the parts, not just slapping a 64bit chip in the build, a label on the box ("64Bit Inside!!") and running the OS and/or all/most of the apps in 32 bit mode.

 

The most immediate benefit for Apple is that it extends a lead for several months, as well as getting huge profiling information for tuning real world apps against their 64 bit offering, and prepping them for the 'big memory' ARM systems [laptops].  At the $200 profit per handset unit level, that lead is golden.

 

There's always great technology out there… the problem is integrating it into a solution, and knowing when to do so.

 

Meanwhile I have a 64bit phone in my hand right now.

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You do know that Apple founded ARM, in partnership with Acorn, don't you?

It's right there on ARM's website, along with their first licensee which most definitely was not Samsung.

 

Apple had 40% financial stake in ARM Ltd in the early 90's, but Steve Jobs sold them at a huge loss in 1998.  Portal Player supplied ARM based chips used in the early iPods; then switched to Samsung in 2006.  Apple didn't have much in-house chip design expertise until it bought PA-semi (2008) and Intrinsity (2010).


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Exynos 5 Octa disastrous? lol... now that's really funny. Since they've just finished expanding production in the hopes of keeping up with sales this year alone. Plus they were the FIRST to sign up for ARM A50 64bit chips last year on top of signing licensing deals with them being the first to incorporate ARM's own big LITTLE chip technology. Even Nvidia has their own form of big/LITTLE chip design. Better look up HSA members, so you don't get caught blowing chunks and hating for hate sake only.
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They also have at least one more product to launch this year that could have an their A50 64bit series chip, running along with A7's for the really big Exynos arse kicker. Running wouldn't you know it, both 64bit Tizen along side Android in ARM's hardware virtualization enabled on that 64bit chip! :DDD .....realizing that two heads are better than ONE!!!

 

This is AI, where deliberate misrepresentation/shoddy scholarship by some of its own editorial members is quite common -- see DED's other OP-EDs.  I guess the fact that Apple's latest SOC, the A7, in the 5S is still made by Samsung does nothing to challenge DED's credibility among his minions. 
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<p>Apple had 40% financial stake in ARM Ltd in the early 90's, but Steve Jobs sold them at a huge loss in 1998. &nbsp;Portal Player supplied ARM based chips used in the early iPods;&nbsp;then switched to Samsung in 2006.&nbsp; Apple didn't have much in-house chip design expertise until it bought PA-semi (2008) and Intrinsity (2010).</p>

 

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This is AI, where deliberate misrepresentation/shoddy scholarship by some of its own editorial members is quite common -- see DED's other OP-EDs.  I guess the fact that Apple's latest SOC, the A7, in the 5S is still made by Samsung does nothing to challenge DED's credibility among his minions. 

 

Mate, you can't rewrite history, it's right there on ARM's website for the world to see:-

 

1990

  • Advanced RISC Machines (ARM) spins out of Acorn and Apple Computer's collaboration efforts with a charter to create a new microprocessor standard. VLSI Technology becomes an investor and the first licensee

 

Source

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Where's the rewrite of history?  tooltalk outright said Apple had a stake in ARM until 1998.  I'm not sure about the claim that it was sold at a huge loss, but nevertheless, they owned a stake, they don't any more.

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Mate, you can't rewrite history, it's right there on ARM's website for the world to see:-

 

1990

  • Advanced RISC Machines (ARM) spins out of Acorn and Apple Computer's collaboration efforts with a charter to create a new microprocessor standard. VLSI Technology becomes an investor and the first licensee

 

Source

 

No, what I meant is that Apple's contribution in ARM's founding was mostly financial, not technical.
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Exactly.  Now that Apple has a 64-bit SoC, it's possible that all they need to do for the next two or three years is to shrink the die.  That means next year's "iPhone 6" might have a 14nm A8, which would be functionally identical to the A7 but faster.  

It's supposedly the A9 that's going to 14nm. Several references to it over the past few months.
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There's one HUGE piece of the evidence missing in this whole scenario.  That's this simple fact; Samsung had to have their patented fabrication process already in place and lines already operating in order to begin production and ramp up of any 64bit bit chips. We do however know that Samsung was the first ARM licensee of the A50 64bit chips. Which is logical because Samsung has always been their Lead Foundry under the Common Platform Alliance. Whose other members include everyone that isn't Intel's Gate Last process.

 

http://www.arm.com/community/partners/company_list/rw/Programs/14,15/

 

Naturally these others like Samsung, ARM, Global, Freescale, STMicroelectronics, Infineon, Toshiba, etc all rely on IBM with it's premiere expertise in chip manufacturing going back even further in the history of Computing than Intel, to lead the...... WAY! 

 

So Samsung actually went into ARM A50 64bit chip line retooling, test chip series fab sampling and subsequent ramp up before full production of those chips can even take place over the last year. Any assumptions that a fabricator already doesn't have division firewalling in place isn't familiar with how tightly even those fabrication production technologies and patented processes are run. If a customer is planning to take production of their chips to a competitor, what do you expect them to do, just hand all this IP and information over to Apple to take to Intel and TSMC? That's about as asinine an assumption as it gets. Every chip Fab & Design House puts in place special measures and NDA's for employees, both in and out of their employment, to not share secrets. Which both ARM and Apple are only two Design House Only chip designers. Intel, TSMC and Global are Fabrication Only chip makers. Others like Toshiba, Samsung, IBM are considered end to end Production Houses with all those Firewalling measures put in place to protect themselves and their always highly valued customer's best interest!

 

I would like to point out that companies like IBM and Samsung employ intermediary engineers that are highly trusted employees who know both sides of Design and Patented Process Fabrication Technology and each side (customer and fabricator) both pay a portion of their salary. Their heads are literally on the line and any transfer of technology can always be traced back to them. That's why you never hear of any technology transfers. Except in rare cases like that in Samsung claiming/suing LG for stolen OLED technology!

 

Now back to the really killer ARM, SAMSUNG, STMicroelectronics, etc and the other Alliance in the HSA Foundation for Heterogeneous  Computing Platform.  No doubt you already know AMD started this group back when they first bought ATI in order to bring about shared memory concepts to enable seamless cross platform computing amongst entirely different chips, including x86 and ARM chips with either ATI or any other HSA members GPU's and sub processors. This is how SAMSUNG intends for their ARM leading "big LITTLE" chip platform to have greater processing power than Apple's A7. They have taken an A50 series CPU and coupled it with A7's (which is putting both dissimilar GPU's and CPU's) together in ONE SoC Chip!    ......these lines were retooled last year and ramped up now since January. Did Apple somehow get in on a ARM HSA partnership without being a member of the HSA? It's highly doubtful, because they are not in the habit of sharing technologies like these two other group's members. But they are most likely using the same 64bit retooled and ramped up lines as Samsung themselves are using right now for an unreleased product. Because it is now confirmed that Apple is indeed using Samsung's Austin Texas State of the Art Foundries with now over 12 Billion dollars invested over just the last three years!

 

Until and unless Apple actually comes to grips with making a break with their legacy secrecy and Think Different non co-operative past, well before that HFS+  2040 Bug hits and designs another file system to compute they will be the only lonely corporation lost in their past instead of creating a better future NOW.  They need to incorporate or steal a clone of IBM's "Pervasive  Multi-threading" to enable computing throughout their entire software and hardware stack. Until such a time, they will be a slave to their own 70's MFS based HFS file system, with it's 90's Plus "Preemptive Task Management" stacking tasks one on top of the other until that bug hits. Which is instead with IBM's technology, disseminating tasks all running concurrently on different cores. Pop in HSA's Platform Alliance, where they can add full API-less Cross Platform Computing for the Ultimate Win against even Intel!  ......which only recently made Heterogeneous Cross Platform Computing a..... PRIORITY! ...as if they came up with the idea in the first place and as we all know it's actually AMD that made the first move many years ago in buying ATI!

 

There you have it, the rumor mill has been silenced and we now know why Samsung's Octa bigLITTLE and AMD's HSA Fusion Chip Future will undoubtedly RULE with IBM's process technology, in the Common Platform Alliance, that includes that Juicy full ARM Chip Design and Instruction Sets for their own 64bit chip computing future!!!   .......where they've learned two or more heads are always better than..... ONE BIG FAT ONE!!!

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2 major flaws in this article!

1 the octa core can use all 8 cores at once and

2 the a7 is made by Samsung
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Originally Posted by grkm3 View Post
Fail

Samsung may have lost Apple's A7 contract

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A7 is built by Samsung!
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Samsung
may
have lost Apple's A7 contract



A7 is built by Samsung!
post #312 of 366
Originally Posted by grkm3 View Post
A7 is built by Samsung!

Samsung may have lost Apple’s A7 contract.

 

Your original statement is unjustified.

post #313 of 366
If Apple was ever to leave Samsung it was likely to be with a brand new architecture.
As I mentioned earlier this is as much a Samsung design as an Apple design and this is shown time and time again.

It just just an advanced variant of the Exynos. Samsung cannot move to 64 bit for Android by themselves but they can obviously profit well from selling their multi layered skills on to Apple.
The A6 and A7 are chips are certainly primarily designed much by Samsung but commissioned by Apple.

Perplexingly I heard someone say this was big-little. Always unlikely. More likely in the iPad revamp but even there, knowing Apple's tight control of costs I have some doubts in this matter.
post #314 of 366
Hey Daniel,

Is TSMC still making the A7?

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post #315 of 366
Applewellian's argument is sound. Apple top brass may not be happy with Samsung in general, but they won't let that get in the way of pragmatic business decisions. I do think that TSMc will eventually end up making A-series chips for Apple if nothing else because Apple (and supply chain guru Tim Cook specifically) hates to put all his eggs into the basket of a single source. That's Supply Chain 101. Also, whenever that happens, that foundry would most likely be in the United States. the US still is a leader for microprocessor design and manufacturing, even if final assembly for the products they drive are largely in China. But let's say that tomorrow TSMC had a facility in Taiwan that could satisfy all of Apple's manufacturing goals without the need of Samsung..would they do it?

The short answer is no. Moving production completely off shore would be a huge political firestorm for the company at a time where Tim Cook has pledged more Apple manufacuturing jobs in he US. And has been previously stated, Apple continues to invest in he Austin facility which employs a lot of people. There's already been news of TSMC looking for a manufacturing site in the US which is tough to hide despite Apple's secrecy.

Appleinsider mostly provides good Apple news, but these fan boyish rants sometimes have no basis in reality or common sense. CEOs and board members are passionate people but if you start making business decisions that way, you will fail horribly. Steve Jobs learned that in his second act at Apple. Tim Cook has always known that. The media that covers Apple needs to get a grip.
post #316 of 366
One more comment to Applewellian...if you think that Apple isn't going to address the file system issue, then you haven't been paying attention on that front. We'd be using ZFS by now were it not the IP issues involved in using it. And it also involves the central problem of a critical piece of tech that Apple does not control. And it was made for the data center, not for mobile devices.

My opinion is that Apple decided to punt on ZFS and start over from the ground up, knowing it was going to take years until they got something that would suit their needs from OS X to iOS. We'll only see it when it's ready...not before. HFS has had a pretty good run, but nothing lasts forever. We'll see what they have planned soon enough.
post #317 of 366
Sorry to burst your bubble: Samsung makes the A7. Samsung is a juggernaut and Apple just can't match the quality elsewhere.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/167070-iphone-5s-reverse-engineered-confirms-a7-soc-produced-by-samsung-reveals-m7

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/20/apple-iphone-5ss-a7-samsung-m7-nxp/
post #318 of 366
AppleInsider confirms that A7 is made by the same process as 'disastrous Exynos' http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s
post #319 of 366
So now that it is known the A7 is in fact manufactured by Samsung, we are left with an embarrassing but hugely entertaining piece of conjecture that only served to reinforce the beliefs of Apple enthusiasts?

It was fun to read, though. Now, AI, go wipe that egg off your face.
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So now that it is known the A7 is in fact manufactured by Samsung, we are left with an embarrassing but hugely entertaining piece of conjecture that only served to reinforce the beliefs of Apple enthusiasts?

It was fun to read, though. Now, AI, go wipe that egg off your face.

 

Given that this is a rumour site, not a news site, what egg?

 

Prompt discussion based on piecing together links in a chain.

 

Mission successful.

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