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President Barack Obama on Tuesday compared the buggy rollout of the new Healthcare.gov website to Apple's iOS 7 release issues, echoing earlier sentiments from HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

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In the rose garden of the White House, President Obama referenced Apple's troubles with iOS 7 in relation to Healthcare.gov's early glitches while remarking on the government shutdown.

"Consider that just a couple of weeks ago, Apple rolled out a new mobile operating system, and within days, they found a glitch, so they fixed it," said the president.

"I don't remember anybody suggesting Apple should stop selling iPhones or iPads or threatening to shut down the company if they didn't," Obama continued. "That's not how we do things in America. We don't actively root for failure."

Obama's remarks mirrored those of Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius earlier Tuesday, when the former Kansas governor described her own experiences with Apple's new mobile operating system.

"I clearly have an iPad, and I also have an iPhone, and about ten days ago got the prompt that the operating system had changed and did I want to upgrade to the new operating system, and so I did, on both my iPad and my iPhone," she said, then continued "And then about five days after that, I got the second prompt saying, ?Well, there?s a little problem with the iOS 7 system and now we have a ?new? new upgrade and why don?t you re-upgrade your upgrade.'"

"Apple, you know, has a few more resources than we have to roll out technology, and a few more people who?ve been working on the system for a while, and no-one is calling on Apple to not sell devices for a year or to, you know, get out of the business because the whole thing is a failure," noted the secretary.

Tuesday's mention was not the first for Apple in a presidential address. In February's State of the Union, President Obama singled out the iPhone maker's plans to bring some of its manufacturing back to U.S. soil.
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Munster's gonna reassess sales estimates now....

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This White House likes Apple and likes to talk about Apple.

 

I like that.

 

:D

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Haha, please no!:lol:

 

Don't compare iOS7 to the disaster called Obamacare! Much more pain is to come in the future from Obamacare, and I think that that's awesome!

 

And just for the record, I'm happy that the govt shut down today. I hope that it's closed for a bit longer.:D

 

How dare Obama compare iOS 7 to Obamacare! Is he on crack?:wow:

 

The iOS 7 rollout was super smooth compared to the disastrous mess that is called Obamacare! That is truly a dumb comparison to make. 

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What a bunch of losers- those two.
Steve would have gone ballistic. He was never a fan of this amateur.
 
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Obamacare does not have "bugs" it has major flaws.

He should have compared it to the Zune...
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The government has had 3 years to prepare for this. Apple redesigned iOS in about 7 months. No comparison. Besides minor software glitches are not the same thing as going to an exchange website and not being able to do squat because of server overload.
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".... Sebelius went on to compare the instances of motion sickness caused by iOS7 to the wrenching stomach upset caused in some citizens by the very idea of government helping citizens get health care."

 

People also hated the idea of Medicare when it was announced.

 

Some people hated the idea of iOS7 when they saw those first Kandy Crush icons.

 

People hate the _idea_ of radically altering what they already know. 

 

Whether they love or hate it once they experience it, is another question.

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OMG...    There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the government does that the business sector would emulate.   The UNaffordable Care Act is the worst of the worst of government programs.   I am amazed at the stuff this president can say with a straight face.

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Haha, please no!lol.gif

Don't compare iOS7 to the disaster called Obamacare! Much more pain is to come in the future from Obamacare, and I think that that's awesome!

And just for the record, I'm happy that the govt shut down today. I hope that it's closed for a bit longer.1biggrin.gif

How dare Obama compare iOS 7 to Obamacare! Is he on crack?1eek.gif

The iOS 7 rollout was super smooth compared to the disastrous mess that is called Obamacare! That is truly a dumb comparison to make. 

Speaking of dumb, so what specifically is it about the Affordable Healthcare Act that you don't like?
Remember, you are calling something, most of which goes into effect today, a failure.
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Poor analogy at best. It's like comparing Apples & oranges. Comparing technology with government politics shows what Obama thinks of the average persons intelligence
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The government has had 3 years to prepare for this. Apple redesigned iOS in about 7 months. No comparison. Besides minor software glitches are not the same thing as going to an exchange website and not being able to do squat because of server overload.

 

I gather you live in the country and never heard of rush-hour traffic.

 

My daughter called this morning and said she got thru without any trouble. Not the case for her mother-in-law. Daughter has high speed. In-laws are on dial-up. Go figure.

 

Had to remind her that the same thing happens every time there is a major software upgrade. 

 

Like the adage goes, "a chain is as strong as it weakest link."

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Which ever side of the issue you are on, this is clearly belittling the ACA. First off, it is something that has far more impact to everyone's quality of life than iOS 7 does. Second, someone else having trouble should not be an excuse, or a "Well, Apple had trouble, too" or anything like that. You had 2-3 years to get this ready, don't claim to say you are overwhelmed. It doesn't set a warm/fuzzy feeling that your systems will be able to handle the ongoing support of the ACA if your servers could not handle the initial launch day. I'll stop, because AI isn't the place for a political rant.

 

Oh, and for the record? Safari and Macs are poorly supported on healthcare.gov - I suppose it could be server issues, but in order to get any real information out of the site, you need to create an account. When you get to the security questions, the drop downs to choose the questions are empty on all browsers. 

 

IE/Windows on my work Win 7 machine bring up the choices, but the system still wouldn't let me finish creating an account, so no idea if once created, everything works ok on a Mac.

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At least with my iOS devices, I have the choice of not upgrading if I don't want to.

 

But for an accurate comparison, Apple TELLS me that their new look is better, but after using the OS for a few weeks, I find it significantly more difficult to navigate the device.  At first, I shrugged it off as needing a learning curve to use it, but after a couple weeks of use, I can definitely say that in many cases the device is far more cumbersome for many features to use than the previous OS was.

 

Now, I'm not one that's against change, but it seems as though some things got changed just for the sake of change.  Eg, when you power on the device, it used to be black with a sleek white Apple logo in the middle.  Now, just to be different, they inverted that, and you are presented with a white screen, bright as the freaking sun and a black Apple logo. Change, yes. Improvement? Hell no.

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".... Sebelius went on to compare the instances of motion sickness caused by iOS7 to the wrenching stomach upset caused in some citizens by the very idea of government helping citizens get health care."

 

People also hated the idea of Medicare when it was announced.

 

Some people hated the idea of iOS7 when they saw those first Kandy Crush icons.

 

People hate the _idea_ of radically altering what they already know. 

 

Whether they love or hate it once they experience it, is another question.

 

Yeah...but my health insurance premiums didn't increase by 119% with the release of iOS7. That's what the ACA did to me this past Friday. I guess at this point I hate what I'm experiencing. #notgood #leavemyhealthcarealone

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...when you power on the device, it used to be black with a sleek white Apple logo in the middle.  Now, just to be different, they inverted that, and you are presented with a white screen, bright as the freaking sun and a black Apple logo...

 

Guessing you are on a white iPhone? It is black/white Apple logo on my iPhone and iPad. And, IIRC, my kids white iPod touches. Not sure about my wife's white 4S.

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OMG...    There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the government does that the business sector would emulate.   The UNaffordable Care Act is the worst of the worst of government programs.   I am amazed at the stuff this president can say with a straight face.

Many people with your mindset opposed Medicare when it was first implemented, yet here it is today, still. The Affordable Healthcare Act will do the same. Ironically, at some point in the future, if not already, you or members of your family will receive the benefits of this law.

History will look back and include you with the group of people who decided people less fortunate should not have healthcare. What is different than in the case of Medicare, is that there is a history of all the negative comments people were making. You will never be able to say, oh, I was for that ,law.

Hope you sleep well at night knowing you have healthcare and others don't. Must make you feel very superior.
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Speaking of dumb, so what specifically is it about the Affordable Healthcare Act that you don't like?
Remember, you are calling something, most of which goes into effect today, a failure.

 

It's a scam. They've been lying about it from the very beginning. Obama promised that people would be able to keep their current coverage!

That was a huge lie! Many people have already reported that they've been dropped by their insurers.

 

They're also lying about the costs! It's going to be a huge disaster, and many people will find their costs greatly increased! I think that that's awesome, because most of those people deserve it, especially everybody who voted for the current dude in the White House.

 

Even Obama supporting Unions are trying to run away from Obamacare! Hell no! I want them to get it, just like they wanted. I wish Obamacare upon all of my enemies. I also believe that it will be highly inefficient. People will be getting worse care while paying more. Many doctors will quit. Govt bureaucracy should not be involved in the medical business.

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Many people with your mindset opposed Medicare when it was first implemented, yet here it is today, still. The Affordable Healthcare Act will do the same. Ironically, at some point in the future, if not already, you or members of your family will receive the benefits of this law.

History will look back and include you with the group of people who decided people less fortunate should not have healthcare. What is different than in the case of Medicare, is that there is a history of all the negative comments people were making. You will never be able to say, oh, I was for that ,law.

Hope you sleep well at night knowing you have healthcare and others don't. Must make you feel very superior.

 

I agree with you that the uninsured should be insured. But word to the wise. Be careful assuming because Macboy Pro is against the ACA that he is against insuring those who currently do not have coverage. One does not equal the other.

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Right wingers who hate the ACA don't even understand it. Remember, the GOP has been wrong about everything from the Iraq War to the Bush Tax Cuts to the Clinton era tax hikes to Medicare & social security. The ACA ("Obamacare") has already started to bend the cost curve, has allowed kids to stay on their parents insurance until age 26, doesn't allow insurance companies to discriminate against kids for pre-existing conditions, requires insurance to pay out 80% of what they take in as premiums for actual health care, provides free (no co-pay) preventative care, increases competition between insurance companies, etc, etc

It's irritating that the GOP, in the midst of death throes, seems intent on bringing the rest of America down with it.

Idiots.
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Haha, please no!:lol:

 

Don't compare iOS7 to the disaster called Obamacare! Much more pain is to come in the future from Obamacare, and I think that that's awesome!

 

And just for the record, I'm happy that the govt shut down today. I hope that it's closed for a bit longer.:D

 

How dare Obama compare iOS 7 to Obamacare! Is he on crack?:wow:

 

The iOS 7 rollout was super smooth compared to the disastrous mess that is called Obamacare! That is truly a dumb comparison to make. 

 

omg,

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Perhaps this explains what the meeting between Obama and Cook a while ago was all about.... I am guessing that BHO was getting advice on how to deal with a complicated rollout from TC.

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Haha, please no!:lol:

 

Don't compare iOS7 to the disaster called Obamacare! Much more pain is to come in the future from Obamacare, and I think that that's awesome!

 

And just for the record, I'm happy that the govt shut down today. I hope that it's closed for a bit longer.:D

 

How dare Obama compare iOS 7 to Obamacare! Is he on crack?:wow:

 

The iOS 7 rollout was super smooth compared to the disastrous mess that is called Obamacare! That is truly a dumb comparison to make. 

 

I truly wish you'd stop with your right-wing/Tea-Party talking points crap on this forum.

 

Care to explain precisely what evidence you have for why Obamacare is a 'disaster'? Actual evidence, not stuff culled from maroons from the TP like Ted Cruz and Fox/Limbaugh...

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It's a scam. They've been lying about it from the very beginning. Obama promised that people would be able to keep their current coverage!
That was a huge lie! Many people have already reported that they've been dropped by their insurers.

They're also lying about the costs! It's going to be a huge disaster, and many people will find their costs greatly increased! I think that that's awesome, because most of those people deserve it, especially everybody who voted for the current dude in the White House.

Even Obama supporting Unions are trying to run away from Obamacare! Hell no! I want them to get it, just like they wanted. I wish Obamacare upon all of my enemies. I also believe that it will be highly inefficient. People will be getting worse care while paying more. Many doctors will quit. Govt bureaucracy should not be involved in the medical business.

got any facts and references? because without them you're just blowing hot air and full of crap.
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Many people with your mindset opposed Medicare when it was first implemented, yet here it is today, still. The Affordable Healthcare Act will do the same. Ironically, at some point in the future, if not already, you or members of your family will receive the benefits of this law.

History will look back and include you with the group of people who decided people less fortunate should not have healthcare. What is different than in the case of Medicare, is that there is a history of all the negative comments people were making. You will never be able to say, oh, I was for that ,law.

Hope you sleep well at night knowing you have healthcare and others don't. Must make you feel very superior.

 

Your delusional liberal views are what's wrong with this country. My family is already receiving the benefits of the law. January 1, my family and I will be dropped from my current plan. What Obamacare offers is more expensive with less benefits. I'm sure the wives of UPS workers are happy with the new benefits they are receiving too. No coverage. 

 

I understand there are people that need assistance, but way too many are lazy and not willing to try and get a job, health insurance, etc. As a tax payer, I'm tired of paying for the deadbeats you liberals love to support. 

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Ok, there's our problem. These top government executives don't know the difference between a web server and an upgrade server, nor the difference between a web page and an entire OS image.

I'll bet the CEOs of not only our technology companies, but also health care providers, probably understand a lot more about internet services.

The iOS update service handled a staggering number of downloads of an entire OS, but the healthcare.gov server can't serve up pages.
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Right wingers who hate the ACA don't even understand it. Remember, the GOP has been wrong about everything from the Iraq War to the Bush Tax Cuts to the Clinton era tax hikes to Medicare & social security. The ACA ("Obamacare") has already started to bend the cost curve, has allowed kids to stay on their parents insurance until age 26, doesn't allow insurance companies to discriminate against kids for pre-existing conditions, requires insurance to pay out 80% of what they take in as premiums for actual health care, provides free (no co-pay) preventative care, increases competition between insurance companies, etc, etc

It's irritating that the GOP, in the midst of death throes, seems intent on bringing the rest of America down with it.

Idiots.

 

First, I'm independent...not Democrat, Republican, or Tea Party...Independent.

 

The GOP did not bring down the country...they offered to pass everything last night but remove the special subsidy and exemption that congress gets for the ACA and all Americans would get the special exemptions that over 1000 corporations are getting of a 1 year delay. That's all...and Congress wouldn't pass it. BOTH sides are playing with this AND BOTH ARE TO BLAME.

 

Anyone going on TV right now pointing the finger towards the other side has 4 fingers pointing back at themselves and should be thrown out of office immediately. That's who is playing with our country, our future, and our lives for their political benefit.

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iOS 7 is a FREE upgrade.
ObamaCare is a TAX per the Supreme Court.
 
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Last time I checked, Apple didn't have tens of thousands of armed agents to compell people under threat of force to use iPhones, iPod Touches, or iPads. Ethically, the comparison is depraved, and indicates a high level of sociopathy.
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People also hated the idea of Medicare when it was announced.

 

You do understand that Medicare is the root cause of the government shutdown, and the driving force behind QE, which has wiped out the income of retired people on a fixed income, right?

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I truly wish you'd stop with your right-wing/Tea-Party talking points crap on this forum.

 

 

I take my talking points from nobody, and there's no way that I am not going to comment on a topic that's about a truly dumb and offensive comparison made by Obama, comparing their amateurish healthcare from hell to anything that Apple does. Apple is a highly successful company, and has nothing in common with some unskilled politicians perpetrating fraud against the American people.

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Speaking of dumb, so what specifically is it about the Affordable Healthcare Act that you don't like?
Remember, you are calling something, most of which goes into effect today, a failure.

 

For starters, being FORCED to buy a product or service from the government!  Wait until they do get 'single payer'.  What if Obama's top supporter was Bill Gates and quid pro quo Obama issued an Executive Order that FORCED everyone to buy a Microsoft computer or tablet or smart phone.

 

And don't you mean 'trying to go into effect'...

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My family is already receiving the benefits of the law. January 1, my family and I will be dropped from my current plan. What Obamacare offers is more expensive with less benefits. I'm sure the wives of UPS workers are happy with the new benefits they are receiving too. No coverage. 

Just curious. What plan are you being dropped from and why? How much did it cost you, and what benefits did you lose? How much does the new plan cost?

 

Links to these plans would sufficient (or you can PM me).

 

Btw, re. UPS dropping spouses, a couple of things to note. I think it is working spouses with their own employer insurance that they're dropping. Two, companies dropping or scaling back workers and retirees from health plans has been a growing phenomenon in the past decade, and it started well before Obamacare. The evidence on this is quite well-known (happy to give you references). I don't know if it has got worse, perhaps it has, but I haven't seen evidence.

 

Rising healthcare and healthcare insurance costs in the US -- and it remains to be seen whether Obamacare will/can do anything about that -- has driven a lot of companies to skimp on healthcare.

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The problem with America is too many people root for failure of everything they disagree with. The stock market keeps trying to kill apple while all the self-centered republicans despise anything the President says without even taking the time to understand it.
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What a tool our President is.
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The government has had 3 years to prepare for this. Apple redesigned iOS in about 7 months. No comparison. Besides minor software glitches are not the same thing as going to an exchange website and not being able to do squat because of server overload.

 

Well, I seem to recall Apple's servers were massively overloaded when iOS 7 was released, at least based on the complaints on the forums of repeated failures to validate or update and multiple hours for download time.

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They are "totally" equivalent except for two things:
1) Apple knows what they are doing
2) Apple has the ability to do it
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I take my talking points from nobody, and there's no way that I am not going to comment on a topic that's about a truly dumb and offensive comparison made by Obama, comparing their amateurish healthcare from hell to anything that Apple does. Apple is a highly successful company, and has nothing in common with some unskilled politicians perpetrating fraud against the American people.

Glad to hear that you don't take your talking points from anyone. I am sure it's coincidental that every single Republican I heard on the news last night was using exactly the same words as you did....

 

Nobody has said that Apple is not a highly successful company, or that it isn't much more efficient than the government.

 

I see no basis in fact for your use of words like 'disaster,' 'healthcare from hell,' and 'fraud' with Obamacare. I (and others) have asked you if you have any evidence, and you have provided none. It may turn out to be the case, but I have not seen any systematic evidence to back up your shrill claims. If anything, the CBO has reported that growth in healthcare (and insurance) costs has slowed, and that the budgetary impact of Obamacare is going to come in even less negatively (or more positively, depending on your pov) than originally anticipated.

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First, I'm independent...not Democrat, Republican, or Tea Party...Independent.

The GOP did not bring down the country...they offered to pass everything last night but remove the special subsidy and exemption that congress gets for the ACA and all Americans would get the special exemptions that over 1000 corporations are getting of a 1 year delay. That's all...and Congress wouldn't pass it. BOTH sides are playing with this AND BOTH ARE TO BLAME.

Anyone going on TV right now pointing the finger towards the other side has 4 fingers pointing back at themselves and should be thrown out of office immediately. That's who is playing with our country, our future, and our lives for their political benefit.

I love how no one admits to being a Republican. I know they don't get many votes, but someone is voting for them! LOL

Uh. The only party to blame here is the Republicans. Apparently they don't understand the Constitution they claim to love. Maybe they should look back at SchoolHouse Rock to see how a bill becomes law and how to change laws they don't like. So much for all their rhetoric about respecting the Constitution and not attaching unrelated riders to legislation.

Hey, how about I stop paying all my bills until the law allowing these tea baggers to get paid after they shut down the government gets changed? Makes as much sense as the temper tantrum they're throwing. Remember, this is a law that was debated for 3 years, passed by both houses if congress, signed by the President who win TWICE in a landslide against those opposed to the law. Oh, and it was up help by SCOTUS

I know the right wing doesn't believe in facts though. Witness global warming, evolution, stem cell research, and the fact that ACA Reduces the deficit.

Idiots.
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