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Rumor: Amazon's French and German sites suggest new Apple TV coming Oct. 23

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Amazon's online storefronts in France and Germany on Thursday showed sudden unavailability of the current generation Apple TV, instead noting the device will be "available from Oct. 23," hinting that a revamped version of the set-top streamer may soon be released.

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Amazon's German Apple TV webpage. | Source: Amazon


While not hard evidence of an Apple TV revamp, Amazon's notice of availability (via iFun.de) is in line with recent rumors that claim a next-generation version of the device will be unveiled in the near future.

Instead of being marked as "no longer available" or "pre-order," as other out of stock or upcoming products sold directly by Amazon, the company's French and German sites show current third-generation Apple TV will be available from Oct. 23. Amazon's other European website, which serves the UK and Ireland, as well as its Japan and U.S. stores, still have units in stock. The Online Apple Store also has full availability in Europe, though it is unlikely that Apple would tip its hand ahead of a new product launch.

It should be noted, however, that Amazon is not "leaking" a new model Apple TV. The company's French website, for example, advertises the product with the model number "MD199FD/A," which is correct for the current European version of the device. While mere speculation, the Oct. 23 date could mean the online sales giant simply sold through existing stock and is awaiting a new shipment. Alternatively, the company could be putting a hold on Apple TV sales ahead of a special Apple event planned for Oct. 22.

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Amazon's French website shows an identical Oct. 23 availability date.


Earlier this week, Apple sent out invitations to a media event scheduled to take place at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco, where the company is widely expected to reveal a fifth-generation iPad and second-generation iPad mini.

Also anticipated is a release of the latest Mac operating system, OS X 10.9 Mavericks, the final version of which was recently seeded to developers. Some speculate that Apple will take the opportunity to finally debut its newly redesigned Mac Pro, to be followed by a Nov. 15 ship-by date.
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That's Amazon. Apple sells and ships it in 24 hours in France and Germany. All over Europe, for that matter.
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That's Amazon. Apple sells and ships it in 24 hours in France and Germany. All over Europe, for that matter.

We haven't seen as much of this lately but Amazon used to be notorious for adding items and ship dates that didn't exist. We know they had no inside knowledge because the dates were often wrong and sometimes they would have the name of a rumored product that ended up never existing.
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So this is news, or even a good guess?
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Hope Amazon is wrong, or else this is going to be an expensive Christmas time for me. New iPad (still have generation 1), new iPhone 5S (well, with carrier subsidies at least), was thinking about a new TV set (advice is welcome, btw) and now this... I have an AppleTV gen2 (the first "puck" apple tv). If the newer version opens up the app store then i'll have to upgrade, otherwise i might skip it...

 

Luckily the fabled iWatch won't appear until at least next year... Might have been too much.

 

And, sometimes in the future a new MacBook Pro will have to be purchased. But until now, thanks to Apple, the one I have seems to get better with age. (17" MBP, latest model before discontinuation). Mavericks breathes new life in "older" machines in an incredible way. From battery life to speed. And I'm glad about that!

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We haven't seen as much but Amazon used to be notorious for adding items and ship dates that didn't exist. We know they had no inside knowledge because the dates were often wrong and sometimes they would have the name of a rumored product that ended up never existing.

That's right, I forgot about that. Besides, doesn't seem likely to have the shipping date of a new version be the day after the event anyway, on a 3rd party reseller.
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Hope Amazon is wrong, or else this is going to be an expensive Christmas time for me. New iPad (still have generation 1), new iPhone 5S (well, with carrier subsidies at least), was thinking about a new TV set (advice is welcome, btw) and now this... I have an AppleTV gen2 (the first "puck" apple tv). If the newer version opens up the app store then i'll have to upgrade, otherwise i might skip it...

1) it'll be an expensive year, without any fables from Amazon

2) getting the phone through a carrier is more expensive than buying it from Apple

3) That AppleTV gen2 is worth money, as its software has been hacked. Supposedly this isn't the case with gen3. So if they release a new version and if it's the same $99 you'll be better of selling yours.
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3) That AppleTV gen2 is worth money, as its software has been hacked. Supposedly this isn't the case with gen3. So if they release a new version and if it's the same $99 you'll be better of selling yours.

Very true - many people desire the 2nd gen ATV so they can jailbreak it and are willing to pay for that (ATV3 is still in-jailbreakable to my knowledge). Six months ago I sold my year old ATV2 for $250 and bought a new ATV3 for $99 and pocketed the extra $150. I have no need for jailbreaking so the ATV3+$150 made me quite happy 1smile.gif
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 was thinking about a new TV set (advice is welcome, btw) 

If a plasma tv, make sure it's a Panasonic, and buy it before they stop making plasma panels.

If you only want a small display get an iMac to use as a TV.

Otherwise buy a JVC projector :D

Of course, I'm assuming there won't be an AppleTV with a monitor built in.

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Very true - many people desire the 2nd gen ATV so they can jailbreak it and are willing to pay for that (ATV3 is still in-jailbreakable to my knowledge). Six months ago I sold my year old ATV2 for $250 and bought a new ATV3 for $99 and pocketed the extra $150. I have no need for jailbreaking so the ATV3+$150 made me quite happy 1smile.gif

Nice! Will have to check eBay and see what it is going for.

Also, this says 3rd gen on the amazon screen shot, so they just may not have any.
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Amazon is wrong all the time about block-bustered Blu-Ray release date. They're just guessing.
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3) That AppleTV gen2 is worth money, as its software has been hacked. Supposedly this isn't the case with gen3. So if they release a new version and if it's the same $99 you'll be better of selling yours.

 

Definitely agree with this, even better if you have a gen1 with the built in hdd. I recently sold my jailbroken 40gb gen1 for £100 ($160) on ebay to some guy in Greece. I didn't think it was worth much tbh but not complaining - it was just gathering dust here. Got a lot more than I paid for it lol.

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I have no problem with rumours but there is nothing to see here. it's the same model.

THE SAME MODEL!

enough. Already.
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Of course, I'm assuming there won't be an AppleTV with a monitor built in.

That already exists, sort of:


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...even better if you have a gen1 with the built in hdd. I recently sold my jailbroken 40gb gen1 for £100 ($160) on ebay to some guy in Greece. I didn't think it was worth much tbh but not complaining - it was just gathering dust here. Got a lot more than I paid for it lol.

Hmm, I still have the 160GB version, will take a peek at 2nd hand sites. Thanks.
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If a plasma tv, make sure it's a Panasonic, and buy it before they stop making plasma panels.
If you only want a small display get an iMac to use as a TV.
Otherwise buy a JVC projector 1biggrin.gif
Of course, I'm assuming there won't be an AppleTV with a monitor built in.
I read somewhere that plasma has a much better image quality but introduces a big lag if you play games. I am not an avid gamer by any means (and don't like FPS). But not being able to play my weekly dose of NHL would be bad...

Regarding the 2nd gen ATV, thx for the heads up!! I'll definitely try to sell mine (as I still have the original box to go with it and it is in pristine conditions). My only "hack" has been US iTunes store. And this alone makes a world of difference!
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pinolo: No the opposite. Plasma TVs generally have the lowest input lag numbers of TVs. Sony's 2013 LCD are also quite good in this area (and quite good overall).

 

But connect an Apple TV! Don't even consider using the built-in Smart TV features. They're just horrible.

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That's right, I forgot about that. Besides, doesn't seem likely to have the shipping date of a new version be the day after the event anyway, on a 3rd party reseller.

 

But there is this:

 

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/03/apple-taking-shipments-of-set-top-boxes-hints-at-new-apple-tv-product

 

If Apple is stockpiling for the last 2 month+  16 metric tons a week  (if the total weight of a packaged appleTV is a pound, that, 32,000 a week of these things... x10 weeks... 320,000 units).   Amazon could be being shipped a few of these before release date...  I can see Apple embargoing orders till the 22nd, and Amazon would have 'next day order/same day ship' availability,  If not same day order, next day ship.

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Waiting, waiting, waiting for the next-gen AppleTV.  And my kinfolk are waiting, too - for me to pass along the current critter living next to the TV set.

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FYI, you can run Plex on an AppleTV 3 without jail breaking.

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Very true - many people desire the 2nd gen ATV so they can jailbreak it and are willing to pay for that (ATV3 is still in-jailbreakable to my knowledge). Six months ago I sold my year old ATV2 for $250 and bought a new ATV3 for $99 and pocketed the extra $150. I have no need for jailbreaking so the ATV3+$150 made me quite happy 1smile.gif
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Very true - many people desire the 2nd gen ATV so they can jailbreak it and are willing to pay for that (ATV3 is still in-jailbreakable to my knowledge). Six months ago I sold my year old ATV2 for $250 and bought a new ATV3 for $99 and pocketed the extra $150. I have no need for jailbreaking so the ATV3+$150 made me quite happy 1smile.gif
Really?! I have two gen 2's laying around in my living. Funny thing is, ex wife wanted one but I won that war. Best news this morning!
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Perhaps they're just waiting to see if a new model is released? I imagine people would complain / not be happy if they bought an Apple TV a week before a new one came out, so perhaps that's what Amazon's doing this for rather than any ~inside knowledge~.

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There is virtually no way this will happen as nothing to speak of has been leaked. The days of a surprise at an Apple event are gone for good.
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Hope Amazon is wrong, or else this is going to be an expensive Christmas time for me. New iPad (still have generation 1), new iPhone 5S (well, with carrier subsidies at least), was thinking about a new TV set (advice is welcome, btw) and now this... I have an AppleTV gen2 (the first "puck" apple tv). If the newer version opens up the app store then i'll have to upgrade, otherwise i might skip it...

 

Luckily the fabled iWatch won't appear until at least next year... Might have been too much.

 

And, sometimes in the future a new MacBook Pro will have to be purchased. But until now, thanks to Apple, the one I have seems to get better with age. (17" MBP, latest model before discontinuation). Mavericks breathes new life in "older" machines in an incredible way. From battery life to speed. And I'm glad about that!

 

 

Hard question to answer because it depends what price category you are buying in. Sharp and LG are the only companies that make all their own panels so the quality is consistent amongst all models. Lots of people complaining about panel inconsistency with Samsung's mid to lower price TVs. What you see on display might not be what is in the box. In the last two years I have went with LEDs made by Sharp. Sharp adds a fourth color pixel (yellow) that makes a big difference in detail. Also go with what is called a full array set so if you go with LED. That means the backlighting covers the whole panel. 

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Really?! I have two gen 2's laying around in my living. Funny thing is, ex wife wanted one but I won that war. Best news this morning!

Yup, no joke. I'm in Canada and you can always find ATV2s posted on eBay or Kijiji (similar to eBay, but Canadian-only as far as I know) for $200+. Best part is you don't even have to do the jailbreaking before selling it, but be prepared to prove it's a 2nd gen based in model number. Easiest money you'll ever make.
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I read somewhere that plasma has a much better image quality but introduces a big lag if you play games. I am not an avid gamer by any means (and don't like FPS). But not being able to play my weekly dose of NHL would be bad...

Regarding the 2nd gen ATV, thx for the heads up!! I'll definitely try to sell mine (as I still have the original box to go with it and it is in pristine conditions). My only "hack" has been US iTunes store. And this alone makes a world of difference!

 

The difference between picture quality between plasma and LED has diminished over the years as the industry is pushing LED. The main difference used to be with darker colors where plasma TVs displayed them better. LEDs also display motion better. Plasma is cheaper, but all the advancements are with LED. 

 

Go to a place that is not real bright to look at difference models. Within the price category I was shopping in, I thought Sharp and LG had the best LED displays. If you want a plasma, Panosonic probably makes the best, but as somebody else mentioned they are exiting the business. 


Edited by TBell - 10/18/13 at 6:56am
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I read somewhere that plasma has a much better image quality but introduces a big lag if you play games. I am not an avid gamer by any means (and don't like FPS). But not being able to play my weekly dose of NHL would be bad...

Regarding the 2nd gen ATV, thx for the heads up!! I'll definitely try to sell mine (as I still have the original box to go with it and it is in pristine conditions). My only "hack" has been US iTunes store. And this alone makes a world of difference!

Plasma is better in every single way. Particularly with fast motion. The only thing it's worse at is power consumption vs LEDs- but it's not a crazy difference.

Go plasma- of course you'll have to go 42"+. Panasonic is the best budget. Pioneer is the best top-line. I have a 60" LG and it's solid as well- got it maybe a year and a half ago for $799? It's my primary TV, but I use my media room w/ projector for serious movie watching or games- so I didn't need anything high-end in the den. Very happy with it though.

Just jump on amazon and look at the reviews before pulling the trigger.


btw- TBell is correct- Plasma basically has nowhere left to go- all the advancements are in LEDs who will overtake quality/performance from plasma soon enough across the board. But until then- low/mid large TV I would only do Plasma.
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I predict a new Apple TV with a built-in antenna which will allow for A LOT MORE TO COVER.
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I believe this just happens to be a coincidence and the date is when Amazon will recieve more current gen Appe TV's. I really do hope a new Apple TV is coming though.
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Originally Posted by broadbean View Post
So this is news, or even a good guess?

 

Being that this involves Amazon, not in the slightest.

 

Remember, Amazon’s the company that listed tutorial books for iWork ’10, iWork ’11, iWork ’12, iLife ’12… 

 

Originally Posted by TechProd1gy View Post
There is virtually no way this will happen as nothing to speak of has been leaked. The days of a surprise at an Apple event are gone for good.

 

So you’re forgetting over half of every keynote, then?

 

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I predict a new Apple TV with a built-in antenna which will allow for A LOT MORE TO COVER.

 

Apple utilizing the current OTA setup for content? I don’t think so. :p

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I guess that means my next TV will be Sharp, because my current LG looks atrocious.

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There is virtually no way this will happen as nothing to speak of has been leaked. The days of a surprise at an Apple event are gone for good.

So you knew about the A7?  You knew it was 64-bit?  You knew about the M7?  You knew it handled all movement processing separately?  You knew about the new LTE bands on the 5c and 5s?

 

Outside of the dual flash and touch ID- both external components- we didn't have an idea about what is on the inside.  So Apple could easily release a new Apple TV with the exact same form factor- and we wouldn't know about the inside components- which is all that matters on that.  What would an A7X, Increased Ram, Increased Hard Drive, wireless AC, and new software leak look like?  Exactly.

 

Not saying the new ATV will have that, but when it is released, we won't hear a word about prior to announcement unless the shell changes.

 

 

Side note: I didn't even mention the 2012 iMac, new Mac Pro, new Airports/Time Capsules, 2012 Retina MacBook Pros, etc. that had no pictures or leaks prior to their releases.  So outside of external components on iDevices, everything else is pretty hush hush.

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I predict a new Apple TV with a built-in antenna which will allow for A LOT MORE TO COVER.

Personally I'd for them to uncover new goodies.
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I read somewhere that plasma has a much better image quality but introduces a big lag if you play games. I am not an avid gamer by any means (and don't like FPS). But not being able to play my weekly dose of NHL would be bad...

Regarding the 2nd gen ATV, thx for the heads up!! I'll definitely try to sell mine (as I still have the original box to go with it and it is in pristine conditions). My only "hack" has been US iTunes store. And this alone makes a world of difference!

 

Question for those in the know - I have a 2nd gen, non-jailbroken, box, etc. It is up to date with the latest official build. Is that a problem for jail breakers? If not, I may look to sell it and get two 3rd gens (or 4th if they are announced tuesday)

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I read somewhere that plasma has a much better image quality but introduces a big lag if you play games. I am not an avid gamer by any means (and don't like FPS). But not being able to play my weekly dose of NHL would be bad...

Regarding the 2nd gen ATV, thx for the heads up!! I'll definitely try to sell mine (as I still have the original box to go with it and it is in pristine conditions). My only "hack" has been US iTunes store. And this alone makes a world of difference!

 

No, your buddies are using it as an excuse, they all suck.  ;-)

 

I'm a big Boarderlands 2 fan on the PS3 and I have no issues what so ever with my 55" Pioneer Plasma.  And watching the real NHL on it is unreal, the contrast between the black (shadows in the arena) and the ice (brilliant white) are awesome.

 

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Remember, Amazon’s the company that listed tutorial books for iWork ’10, iWork ’11, iWork ’12, iLife ’12… 

 

 

You beat me to it.  Hey, do they have one for iWork '14?  Forgot to check...

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But there is this:

Good point! I forgot about that.
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I predict a new Apple TV with a built-in antenna which will allow for A LOT MORE TO COVER.

 

Hope Apple isn't refreshing the 3rd gen AppleTV with different colors (covers).

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I guess that means my next TV will be Sharp, because my current LG looks atrocious.

 

I am very happy with my two Sharps. Before buying, I did a lot of research and went to about three different stores comparing quality. It would be great if Apple came out with something. Rumor was Apple was going to use Sharp's panels, but we do not see a product, so who knows. 

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I'm a big Boarderlands 2 fan on the PS3 and I have no issues what so ever with my 55" Pioneer Plasma.  And watching the real NHL on it is unreal, the contrast between the black (shadows in the arena) and the ice (brilliant white) are awesome.

 

Pioneer made a sweet TV with its Elite series, but you paid serious dollars for the set and I think Pioneer switched to having Panosonic make its panels. Now Panasonic is exiting the business as well. 

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Best bet is the next Apple TV won't be a drastic change. 

 

Basically Apple's gonna drop in a BCM4350 (announced at Computex in the summer)  bringing the Apple TV up to 802.11AC. 

Makes sense to me seeing as how they have 11ac Airport Routers now.  It's time to move 

the entire lineup to 11ac. 

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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post
Best bet is the next Apple TV won't be a drastic change. 

 

Basically Apple's gonna drop in a BCM4350 (announced at Computex in the summer)  bringing the Apple TV up to 802.11AC. 

Makes sense to me seeing as how they have 11ac Airport Routers now.  It's time to move 

the entire lineup to 11ac. 

 

I should hope they swap the A5 for an A7 or A6… That would at least allow for higher bitrate content. I don’t care about any of the other implications, since I think they’re mostly stupid.

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Pioneer made a sweet TV with its Elite series, but you paid serious dollars for the set and I think Pioneer switched to having Panosonic make its panels. Now Panasonic is exiting the business as well. 

 

All Panasonic products I've owned have been solid. It's too bad they're withdrawing from so many sectors. In terms of aesthetics, Sony is nice, but I don't want to pay extra for the name.

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