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The mysterious failure of Apple's iPhone 5c

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Less than a month after it first went on sale, Apple's refreshed, moderately enhanced iPhone 5c has been targeted as possibly being a failure in scores of reports across a wide variety of major news outlets, even drawing comparisons to Microsoft's Surface flop. Can the company survive another 48 hours?

iPhone 5c


Prophecies of iPhone 5c failure span the globe



Less than a week after iPhone 5c went on sale, Adam Turner of the Australian Sydney Morning Herald asked "Is the iPhone 5c Apple's Surface RT flop?"

If hastily drawing such a connection seemed a bit premature, Rick Munarriz, writing for Fool.com (I'm not making that up) had jumped to the same "Is the iPhone 5C the New Surface RT?" conclusion two weeks earlier, before preorders had even started.

How could pundits separated by oceans have possibly known weeks in advance that that the rest of the tech media, as well as journalists who don't even have any tech expertise, would also be writing the same dire news about Apple's mid-level iPhone 5c model long before anyone even knew how well it was actually selling?

Looking beneath the Surface



Three months ago I profiled Microsoft's Surface, looking for clues as to why and how the company's beleaguered iPad contender could have failed so miserably, and how its failure could have come as such a surprise to certain members of the tech media and anyone who might be reading their coverage.

Surface


Like the iPhone 5c, Microsoft's Surface is a technology product that features bright colors. Unlike the Surface, Apple's iPhone 5c leverages a proven platform and app ecosystem, and comes from a company with a remarkable chain of successes in designing, marketing, selling and supporting mobile products.

The iPhone 5c is essentially a repackaging of what has been the world's top selling smartphone, outfitted with a better battery, support for more LTE bands and a $100 price cut. The Surface was an entirely new tablet based on a platform that had never managed to sell tablets before, equipped with battery performance inferior to the market leader and offering no discount on pricing.

After first unveiling its new Surface in June 2012, Microsoft disclosed the price in mid October, opening preorders that continued until its late October general launch, which was synchronized to occur alongside Windows 8.

A pre-launch report in the Wall Street Journal by Lorraine Luk cited checks with "component suppliers in Asia" as indicating that Microsoft had "placed orders to produce 3 million to 5 million of these tablets in the fourth quarter."

Confident optimism for Surface



The Verge was on scene at the Surface's splashy Times Square launch party, noting that "Microsoft created what can only be descried [sic] as an expensive spectacle."

Alexandra Chang, writing for Wired, announced that Microsoft had sold out of one Surface RT model "on day one," and while noting Microsoft had "no numbers to share," explained that "the sold out model is a good sign for Microsoft," adding, "it's too soon to know if it's a hit, but at the very least it isn't a dud." "It's too soon to know if it's a hit, but at the very least it isn't a dud" -Wired

IHS iSuppli reported in November that the Surface RT was "more profitable than iPad," detailing estimates that indicated lower costs and more profit padding than an iPad even before considering the $18 Touch Cover that Microsoft planned to sell for $80.

The firm identified Samsung Electronics as "the biggest design winner in the Surface," with Nvidia being "another major winner" as the maker of its Tegra 3 processor.

The media then patiently waited for more than another three months before The Verge recommended caution against jumping to premature conclusions, noting that "Microsoft will reveal sales figures eventually" after IDC had estimated holiday quarter Surface shipments to be less than 900,000 units.

Days later, Microsoft launched its Surface Pro version, and again it was widely reported that the company had "sold out" of at least some models of the higher end product. Paul Thurrott wrote that "critics will be disappointed to discover that Surface Pro is in fact flying off the shelves," and reported "Apple-like" lines queuing up for the product.

Some good news finally came months later in April, when Strategy Analytics counted 3 million tablets shipping with Windows in calendar Q1. There were still no official numbers from Microsoft, however.

Another three months later, one had to decipher Microsoft's Surface sales from the fact that the company reported total Surface revenues of $853 million, less than the $900 million charge it had written off on unsold Surface inventory. That meant the company could have only sold at most 1.7 million units across three quarters, compared to Apple's sales of 57 million iPads. It was also sitting on tons of inventory, more than it had sold at any price.

iPhone 5c vs. Surface



The first bad news to hit iPhone 5c was that, unlike the Surface, it had failed to "sell out" of inventory on its first day (although there were stock outs of specific models). As the Surface had proven (twice!) selling out of inventory is a critically important measurement of sales success, and/or inadequate inventory management and operational expertise. It means you either know what you're doing, or don't, or something in between.

iPhone 5c


By not selling out on day one, it was unclear if Apple had insufficient iPhone 5c demand or had too much experience in managing global logistics over the past decade of launching hit new consumer electronic devices. Like Microsoft's Surface, Apple had not announced preorder numbers for the iPhone 5c. That wasn't important for the Surface, but was reported as really bad news for the iPhone 5c, sending Apple shares tumbling.

Unlike Microsoft's Surface, Apple did announce combined launch weekend numbers for the iPhone 5c and 5s. They came in far above industry consensus. In fact, the numbers were so high that Gene Munster explained that Apple had really only announced sales that were his low estimate plus some extra nonsense that made his numbers look incorrect.

Rather than taking Apple's sales figures literally, much of the tech media picked up Munster's contortion of fallacy and began reporting that the iPhone 5c was actually not selling but simply filling channel inventory. The idea that iPhone 5c was actually selling ran counter to what the media had predicted: that "last year's phone" couldn't possibly continue to sell the way the iPhone 5 had been right up to the iPhone 5c launch, even with a $100 price cut.

Looking for facts to support a belief



The same news sources that patiently waited nine months for Microsoft's Surface numbers to be reported, and who passed that time by floating a series of optimistic assumptions that Microsoft's new Surface would not be a commercial failure like the Xbox, the Zune, the original Surface, Windows Mobile, KIN and Windows Phone, found it difficult to believe the data that Apple provided after three days of sales, because that data didn't support their predictions.

If you're thinking the Xbox doesn't belong in Microsoft's list of commercial failures, keep in mind that it consumed over $8 billion in capital subsidizing its sales before selling near break-even, and it cost the company another $1.2 billion in unanticipated warranty costs related to its 54.2% hardware failure rate. The Surface has actually been a much less expensive experiment.

Even by the most conservative estimates, iPhone 5c sold twice as many units across three days as Microsoft sold of Surface in a year. Additionally, Apple cleared more in gross profits across three days of 5c sales (not even including any preorders) than Microsoft brought in as revenue after nine months. That makes any efforts to badge the iPhone 5c a Surface-like flop patently ridiculous.

iPhone 5c is not low margin



Some analysts and members of the media wanted iPhone 5c to sell because they believed its profit margins were much lower than the higher end iPhone 5s, allowing them to voice concerns about Apple's crumbling profitability. But the facts don't support that belief either.

iSuppli calculated that the $549 5c costs $173 to manufacture (a 68.5 percent gross margin), compared to the $199 that it guessed the $649 5s cost to build (69.3 percent).

iSuppli iPhone 5c BOM


In comparison, iSuppli's cost estimate for the U.S. Samsung Galaxy S4 is $244, which at $649 has a 62.4 percent gross margin. Rather than being "low margin," Apple's iPhone 5c has significantly higher margins (according to iSuppli) than Microsoft's Surface (52.6 percent) and Samsung's Galaxy S4 flagship phone.

If Apple were selling a larger proportion of 5c phones relative to the 5s, it would be earning a little less, but it would not suffer from the plunging margins that analysts who recommended a much lower 5c price predicted that lower price to cause.

What about comparing iPhone 5c to actual, competing phones?



There's something else that the negative reports badgering Apple's iPhone 5c have neglected to mention. While many have listed perceived flaws of the iPhone 5c (it's not Apple's top of the line and it's not that much cheaper than the 5s), few seem to have acknowledged (quite bizarrely) that Apple didn't create the 5c to compete with its own 5s.

That bears repeating: Apple has not failed to price the iPhone 5c to be competitive with its own iPhone 5s.

Apple's iPhone 5c is designed to take sales away from competing models, such as Google's Droid MAXX and Moto X, the Nokia Lumia 1020, the HTC One, Sony Xperia Z and Samsung's Note 3 and Galaxy S4. How is the iPhone 5c "flop" doing in that regard?

According to report on U.S. carriers by Canaccord Genuity, sales of all of those phones were topping the charts at AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile in August.



Apple's iPhone 5 was in the top three across all four carriers in August, but was in second place behind Samsung's Galaxy S4 everywhere but AT&T, where it remained the leading model. The launch of iPhone 5s changed that, taking the top spot across all four carriers.

However, the "flop" iPhone 5c sold well enough to bump all of the Google/Motorola, Nokia, HTC and Sony competitors out of the top three. It also outsold the Galaxy S4 on AT&T and Sprint, where it performed better than last month's iPhone 5 had, despite being only marginally different.

Brian Fung of the Washington Post called the iPhone 5c "officially a flop" because its "price has been slashed in retail stores worldwide -- from Target to Best Buy to Wal-Mart and even in China -- setting off speculation that the 5C just isn't selling like its more expensive sibling, the 5S."

Is there something remarkable about any of those retailers, or China, offering products at a discount below MSRP? Are other smartphones discounted? And if that's the definition of "flop," why is Android considered a "success"?

iPhone 5c is better than higher end competitors



Apple's primary competition in the market for profitable smartphones are those with a price and specifications similar to the iPhone 5c. Apple also sells the substantially less attractive iPhone 4S, offering an even lower price point to compete with cheaper phones. However, that price point represents the tail end of iPhone sales volumes, and contributes an even smaller share of profits.

Samsung's Galaxy S4 delivers similar performance benchmarks to iPhone 5c, despite being clocked higher and having more RAM. And unlike various higher-end Android or Windows Phone models, Apple's 5c runs all of the apps and games designed for iOS, including the free Pages, Numbers, Keynote, iPhoto and iMovie that Apple now throws in for free.

iPhone Galaxy Geekbench 3 performance numbers


The 5c also delivers better battery life than Samsung's S4 or even its Note 3 outfitted with a huge battery. It also beats the battery performance of other Android phones in its class by an even wider margin.

Note 3 battery life
Source: AnandTech


Apple quite obviously designed the iPhone 5c to compete more effectively against other phones on the market than iPhone 5 had been, and that's what the data shows it is doing. Apple did not design the 5c to destroy its own profitability, or to make the 5s look really expensive in comparison. That would have been really stupid.

There is one more thing iPhone 5c is designed to do: make iOS 7 an even more attractive platform. Samsung, Google/Motorola and Microsoft/Nokia are introducing new products that make their platforms less attractive: low end devices that are slow and feel unfinished, products that are intended entirely to increase market share at the expense of users' satisfaction.

That race to the bottom didn't work for PCs, didn't work for netbooks, didn't work in music players and isn't working for Motorola, or HTC, or Nokia, or Blackberry in mobile phones. That makes it mysterious why analysts recommended such a strategy of failure for iPhone 5c, and why the media has largely joined them in protesting the success of the iPhone 5c for not doing what has been proven not to work.
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Wait until after the Christmas/New Year sales numbers before you make a judgement on the success or "failure" (i.e. lack of support) of the 5c.
My teenage son has a 5c and he loves it.
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The 5c is only a failure in relation to the 5s. I don't know if Apple considered that $100 bucks is not enough of a savings for people to forgo the latest and greatest.
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I just bought my daughter a 5c for her birthday. It's a great phone and I was happy to have saved $100 over the similar 5S model. I am mystified by people who think $100 less is somehow "not much cheaper." I don't know anyone who doesn't think $100 is not a significant savings. Anecdotally I saw that three people where I work have bought 5C phones in the last few weeks. Admittedly they are all women but last I heard women make up a substantial portion of our population.

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  It is equally possible that someone could have written an article about how the 5s sold so many more units than anticipated, as customers decided to purchase the more expensive model.  E.G.  The Surprising Success of the 5s.

 

 And in absence of actual numbers indicating total sales, isn't this speculation and negativity just a journalist looking for an angle?

 

  After the two models have been on sale for six months, in all worldwide markets, and Apple has provided a full accounting of units sold with a breakdown per model (and maybe even color), then, and only then, can anyone offer a valid opinion.  

 

 Stories of production cutbacks don't tell you if this was anticipated or if the cutbacks came much later than originally anticipated.

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The editorial misses the most compelling argument against the negative 5C press:  Apple hasn't even fully released it to the international market that was considered the "sweet spot" for the 5C.  

 

No one in their right mind expected 5C to outsell 5S in the US or western countries. 


Edited by jmhumr - 10/19/13 at 12:59pm
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The 5c may not be a failure per se, but people were expecting competitive pricing for emerging markets, i.e. India, China. Personally I wish that I could just buy a phone outright and just pay for a simm card, I really do not see any consumer benefit with the American pricing model.
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I think AI needs to change the headline. Just looking at the headline makes it appear that AI supports the 5C failure meme.
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The 5C is a pos. why anyone would care about $100 when they sign a 2 year $2,000 contract is something I will ever understand...

In typical (as of late) apple insider had yet another fan boy article for no apparent reason.
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The 5c may not be a failure per se, but people were expecting competitive pricing for emerging markets, i.e. India, China. Personally I wish that I could just buy a phone outright and just pay for a simm card, I really do not see any consumer benefit with the American pricing model.

It's not Apple's fault if someone expected something they never promised.
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http://store.apple.com/uk/buy-iphone/iphone4s

 

£350.  (...and if they're not making a huge profit on that...why sell it?)

 

And that isn't cheap either.

 

But for a plastic 'last year' phone, that's the price they should be aiming for the iPhone 5C.  If not now, after the 6+ arrives next year.

 

Needs to lose another £100.  It's not like the margins on these things aren't huge.  More bothered about shareholders than consumers.

 

The entry iPad at £399 is about the best value model they do.  The iPhone 4S isn't bad at £350.  Steel and glass.  Great design.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

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DED: it's really time for you to take a vacation, these apologist pieces are just bad. Pls go.

 

You are greatly overestimating the value and impact of expressing your opinion incessantly. 

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I don't understand why so many tech bloggers feel compelled to compare a cell phone (iPhone 5S) to a tablet (Surface RT). We all understand that writers are VERY VERY BIASED towards products they review, but they are failing to realized that today's readers are well informed and don't want to be pandered to. This article is just more internet fluff.
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The 5C is a pos. why anyone would care about $100 when they sign a 2 year $2,000 contract is something I will ever understand...

In typical (as of late) apple insider had yet another fan boy article for no apparent reason.

Get some sleep, bro!

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The 5c is only a failure in relation to the 5s. I don't know if Apple considered that $100 bucks is not enough of a savings for people to forgo the latest and greatest.

 

 

By what metric? Apple has not announced its expectations or the amount sold of either model. Does Apple want to sell more of its high end higher margin phone, or the next best phone with a slightly lower margin? It seems to me, Apple would want to sell more iPhone 5Ss with the higher margins. 

 

The only party that knows if the iPhone 5C is successful is Apple. What we know is the iPhone 5C probably sold more phones then the iPhone 4S did this time last year, and the iPhone 5C has higher margins. We also know that the iPhone 5S and 5C are the top two selling models.  

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So much FUD. We have no idea how many have sold etc.

A non tech's thoughts on Apple stuff 

(She's family so I'm a little biased)

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I don't understand why so many tech bloggers feel compelled to compare a cell phone (iPhone 5S) to a tablet (Surface RT). We all understand that writers are VERY VERY BIASED towards products they review, but they are failing to realized that today's readers are well informed and don't want to be pandered to. This article is just more internet fluff.

 

If you read the article you’d understand what was going on.

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The 5C is a pos. why anyone would care about $100 when they sign a 2 year $2,000 contract is something I will ever understand...

In typical (as of late) apple insider had yet another fan boy article for no apparent reason.

 

For a lot of people 100 bucks is a lot of money that can then be used elsewhere: apps, for example.  Not everybody needs or wants the absolute latest device with the best specs.  

 

Regarding your opinion of the 5C being several letters of the alphabet, care to explain why you think so?  It's essentially the same as the 4S which sold well and is used by millions to get lots of stuff done.  How is that a pos?

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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The 5C is a pos. why anyone would care about $100 when they sign a 2 year $2,000 contract is something I will ever understand...

In typical (as of late) apple insider had yet another fan boy article for no apparent reason.

 

 

You place everybody in the same boat. My girlfriend replaced her 3GS with a 5C. That is a huge step up, and it does everything she needs it to do and more. She does not need the 5S, and thought the 5C was a  better choice. Besides being a huge step up in performance, it was $130 less then the 5S. Further, she bought it unlocked for zero dollars down at T-Mobile for $30 less than Apple sells it with a two year interest free loan. She can pay it off anytime she wants. The carrier service is contract free. 

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For a lot of people 100 bucks is a lot of money that can then be used elsewhere: apps, for example.  Not everybody needs or wants the absolute latest device with the best specs.  

 

Regarding your opinion of the 5C being several letters of the alphabet, care to explain why you think so?  It's essentially the same as the 4S which sold well and is used by millions to get lots of stuff done.  How is that a pos?

 

We do not know how it is performing in relation to the 4S last year, but varies metrics suggest it is selling at least slightly better than the 4S. The 5C as a phone, however, is a better phone then the iPhone 5. The casing might not be aluminum, but the battery is better than the 5, it has a better Facetime camera, and more LTE bands all for $100 less. 

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So much FUD. We have no idea how many have sold etc.

Bingo, we have a winner. 

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The 5c may not be a failure per se, but people were expecting competitive pricing for emerging markets, i.e. India, China. Personally I wish that I could just buy a phone outright and just pay for a simm card, I really do not see any consumer benefit with the American pricing model.

Tell that to the millions who bought them. 

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Of course the 5S was always going to sell more than the 5C. I wouldn't be surprised if the 5C sold in volume comparatively to what the 4S did when the iPhone 5 was released in 2012. Also bear in mind many internals of the 5C are directly taken from the 5 which means inventory levels of components such as the A6 chip were already in abundance. It's really hard to gauge the numbers until Apple releases official figures. For the 5S to sell in record numbers just clarifies to Apple that there is no race to the bottom..
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Collectively, are the selling less 5C's than Apple sold 4S's when the 5 was introduced?

Obviously, with Apple customers, they generally want the latest and greatest and the 5C represents a lower cost version than the 5, which is now last year's model.. So, it would make sense that they wouldn't sell as many 5C's as compared to the 5S, but let's compare the sales of the previous second tier models.

So, can anyone cough up some sales figures of the 4S sales (once the 5 was announced) compared to the 5C sales?
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We bought a 32g blue for our daughter and it's an absolute delight. I wish my 5s was as comfortable to hold, and felt as rugged. The shell is so well-done. It feels more ceramic than plastic.
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The merits of the argument made here are undermined by the distraction of what has become a familiar wounded-fanboy tone in Daniel Eran Dilger's articles. His recent piece "WSJ backpedals on iPhone 5c supply chain cuts story" had a similar tone.

Click-bait editorializing is one thing, but these articles get a little too close to sounding like sophomoronic sneering. This all the more disappointing when, as is the case with these articles, there are actually some sensible points buried in the haughty sarcasm.
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I just bought my daughter a 5c for her birthday. It's a great phone and I was happy to have saved $100 over the similar 5S model. I am mystified by people who think $100 less is somehow "not much cheaper." I don't know anyone who doesn't think $100 is not a significant savings. Anecdotally I saw that three people where I work have bought 5C phones in the last few weeks. Admittedly they are all women but last I heard women make up a substantial portion of our population.

Very well said; I agree 100%. 

 

Also, I expect that if there were a 5SC--with all the 5S specs, the 5S price, in a 5C plastic case--it would be a huge seller.  Not everyone prefers metal+glass to colored plastic.

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The Verge was on scene at the Surface's splashy Time Square launch party, noting that "Microsoft created what can only be descried [sic] as an expensive spectacle."




They spelled "decried" wrong. 1tongue.gif
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Every product is not going to be a smash hit. And every criticism in the USA today or WSJ does not require a major expositional analysis. The people who read those rags aren't going to be reading this and people who read this blog are going to defend Apple right or wrong. I am glad they tried something new if only I shut up the financial analysts who were predicting doom if Apple did not release a cheaper phone.
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I think AI needs to change the headline. Just looking at the headline makes it appear that AI supports the 5C failure meme.


Turn on your sarcasm detector. That will help.

Also, remember: link bait only works with negative headlines.

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The 5c may not be a failure per se, but people were expecting competitive pricing for emerging markets, i.e. India, China. Personally I wish that I could just buy a phone outright and just pay for a simm card, I really do not see any consumer benefit with the American pricing model.

Why provide a product with 'competitive pricing' when releasing an even better version in gold causes it to sell out so quickly that it rapidly becomes rarer than gold itself?

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The 5c is only a failure in relation to the 5s. I don't know if Apple considered that $100 bucks is not enough of a savings for people to forgo the latest and greatest.

Perhaps saving $100 isn't enough for the customers at Walmart, so Walmart dropped the price another $50. That means Apple makes its full margin while Walmart takes the hit... but if Walmart is using the iPhone discount to draw people into their store, then it still wins.

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I just bought my daughter a 5c for her birthday. It's a great phone and I was happy to have saved $100 over the similar 5S model. I am mystified by people who think $100 less is somehow "not much cheaper." I don't know anyone who doesn't think $100 is not a significant savings. Anecdotally I saw that three people where I work have bought 5C phones in the last few weeks. Admittedly they are all women but last I heard women make up a substantial portion of our population.

I think, as you do, that women love the 5c, in addition, I expect the younger buyers/users to be the market for which the 5c is/was intended. With the combination of 5s and 5c Apple does appeal to a broader market. I am surprised that the sales remain skewed so heavily toward the 5s, but maybe that sales will balance out more as the holiday season gets into full swing.

What is most important for Apple is that they have a phone for the various demographics.
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The 5c may not be a failure per se, but people were expecting competitive pricing for emerging markets, i.e. India, China. Personally I wish that I could just buy a phone outright and just pay for a simm card, I really do not see any consumer benefit with the American pricing model.

 

People's misguided expectations does not equate to the failure in reality. 

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Failure? Hardly.

 

Below Apple's expectations? Quite possibly.

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DED: it's really time for you to take a vacation, these apologist pieces are just bad. Pls go.

No his apologist pieces are excellent! You are the one who needs to go. Thankyou DED for being one of very few tech writers who is brave enough to call out incorrect speculation. Yes DED articles are rife with sarcasm, that's what makes them great to read. They are also full of quoted facts! If you don't like the sarcasm you're probably a very boring person.
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I expect that if there were a 5SC--with all the 5S specs, the 5S price, in a 5C plastic case--it would be a huge seller.  Not everyone prefers metal+glass to colored plastic.

I would expect that as well, however I just returned from shopping with my niece for a new phone for her. She's 46 and has a Samsung flip-phone. She went right for the silver 5s iPhone. It didn't mater what the specs were, compared to the 5c, or that the 5c was less money. She lusted after the silver 5s and that was that.

I guess the selling factor in this case was the range of choices of finish/color, not price or specs.
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The 5C is a pos. why anyone would care about $100 when they sign a 2 year $2,000 contract is something I will ever understand...

In typical (as of late) apple insider had yet another fan boy article for no apparent reason.

Why do people buy generic ibuprofen instead of Advil or generic acetaminophen instead of Tylenol. In each case, consumers may save a $1 or $2.
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Failure? Hardly.

Below Apple's expectations? Quite possibly.

So you work for Apple? Exceed Apple's expectation? Quite possibly.
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So you work for Apple? Exceed Apple's expectation? Quite possibly.

 

So you've never speculated about something in this forum?

 

Why would I have to work for Apple?

 

If it has exceeded Apple's expectations then I'd say Apple has lowered its standards.

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post #39 of 213

IF there is truth in the rumor/fact (Frutmor®) that the aluminum shell is responsible for low yields THAN isn't it obvious that Apple had to replace the 5 with something easier to manufacture? Especially if the new 5s model was going to be in the same aluminum shell? 

 

That is, if they can't manufacture enough phones for the demand of the 5s, what would have been the situation if they had to make aluminum shells for the 5c AND 5s? 

 

I think Apple saw this problem and accounted for it brilliantly: Replace the 5 with a very slightly bumped model in high quality plastic. Why not go colorful at the same time? 

 

What would the price for a iPhone 5 be if the 5c hadn't been announced and the 5 hung around like the 4s did? I believe it would have been about the same as the 5c, and the 5c is arguably a slightly better phone. 

 

As to the question of how many 5c phones have sold, who knows. We'll have to wait until / if Apple releases a breakdown like that. 

 

Also, as to the assumption that the 5c was a cheap phone for China/India, well.. no. Next year, maybe it will be. I hope Apple knows how to work those markets. I certainly don't and I suspect those here who have the time to say they do know how to work those markets are probably not the experts. Except maybe in their own heads. 

 

Is there a way to create accountability on the internet yet?

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it is simple...money.  the vast majority of bloggers and analysts are paid shills. The amount of money Microsoft, Samesung, Google, etc... are throwing around is mind boggling.  There is no other viable explanation for the anti-apple reports out there.

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