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I did not realize that you could run windows on a pixel, and as for linux, I had read (admittedly, about a year ago) that linux did not support the high res display -- has this changed now?

At my office we have several Chromebooks running Linux, including 2 Pixels. You can definitely run Windows on a Pixel since it is using an I5 processor, I am not sure about some of the low end Chromebooks since they may be using and ARM processor (I do not know for sure). So far I have not had the need to run windows on my Pixel since there's apps available to do everything I have wanted to do on the Pixel. Just as my son had predicted, there just isn't much that people do with a notebook that you can't do on a good Chromebook.
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Put windows on it 1wink.gif

Sacrilege!
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Sacrilege!

 

At least that would let it do something.

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Chromebook?!  I'd rather have a Raspberry-Pi...at least I could do something interesting with it.  


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This is idiotic.  MacBooks (and even Windows notebooks) are computers and Chromebooks are dumb terminals.

 

I'd like to see the profits generated by each platform.  My guess is that Chromebooks are sold at a loss to lock in the consumers to a life of "Scroogling."  This scam was tried in the 90's by eMachines and ended in failure.

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My iPhone(s) function perfectly well as hotspots in the US. Have the greedy carriers been neutralized?

If you are using AT&T or Verizon you will get charged a fee for hotspoting. Tmobile allows 2gb of hotspoting with their unlimited plan

I was paying $25/month for AT&T 2GB data on my iPhone 5.

For only $25 more per month I get 5GB and tethering thrown in no extra charge.

It made more sense to upgrade my iPhone data plan and buy the wifi iPad mini retina.

Now my wife and I can use our MBPs and iPads on the road. The tethering software is actually pretty cool and has kept me going more than once when Comcast wasn't so comcastic.

With the 5GB plan there's no tethering surcharge. My wife has a grandfathered unlimited data (no tethering) on her iPhone so we're all set.
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I did not realize that you could run windows on a pixel, and as for linux, I had read (admittedly, about a year ago) that linux did not support the high res display -- has this changed now?

At my office we have several Chromebooks running Linux, including 2 Pixels. You can definitely run Windows on a Pixel since it is using an I5 processor, I am not sure about some of the low end Chromebooks since they may be using and ARM processor (I do not know for sure). So far I have not had the need to run windows on my Pixel since there's apps available to do everything I have wanted to do on the Pixel. Just as my son had predicted, there just isn't much that people do with a notebook that you can't do on a good Chromebook.

I'm not interested in a CB Pixel, but a MBPr with touchscreen running OSX, and iOS in an Xcode-like fully functional VM/simulator?

I'd buy that for $1500.
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why would a corporation (security paranoid) want google tracking your every click  on chrome books

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post #89 of 210
This is just went through commercial channels/resellers. I wonder how much went direct with Apple that's not in the numbers shown.
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All I can say is WTF. Dream on with chrome, as they say it's one of DAA. Plus they just playing with statistics which is not even fun. Drongos!
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Notice that there is another huge benefit if you are running a school: you control EXACTLY what is installed on the machine. 

Yes you control exactly what is installed on the device... Nothing.
post #92 of 210
How does one define the "commercial sector"? Are these just figures to resellers like Best Buy and Amazon? If that's the case then of course Mac numbers will be low as it wouldn't include Apple online or retail sales. Also does anyone really believe $249 Chromebooks are taking away sales from Macs (the cheapest being $999)? If anything Chromebooks are hurting low end PC sales from the likes of Dell. HP and Acer. Probably why all of them are now selling Chromebooks themselves.
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The writer of this article must have been paid to write such rubbish. I've always seen apple products all over & no chrome.
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Let me do the math, for the first 11 months of 2013, computing device sales were up 25.4% compared to 2012. Then, sales for iPads for the first 11 months in 2013 were 1.254(15.8)/17.1 or 15.9% more than the comparable period in 2012. One more thought, the long awaited new iPad mini with retina display became available on November 12, 2013 with a significant backlog of orders so the robust December holiday sales for these iPads were not captured in the NPD stats.
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Am I missing something? What a strange comparison to put a full featured laptop (Macbook) against a web-appliance(Chromebook). The title of this article is very confusing, does apple still sell MacBooks? I thought only Macbook Pro. Anyhow, I don't see how the two relate, so I found this little write up ridiculous. It's kind of like saying guess what: More people bought pencils, than Tv's.- how does one relate?
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Am I missing something? What a strange comparison to put a full featured laptop (Macbook) against a web-appliance(Chromebook). The title of this article is very confusing, does apple still sell MacBooks? I thought only Macbook Pro. Anyhow, I don't see how the two relate, so I found this little write up ridiculous. It's kind of like saying guess what: More people bought pencils, than Tv's.- how does one relate?
Aha! You got fooled. These are channel sales, a number that is completely meaningless unless it is sustained. Based on the careful wording, I would strongly suspect that this is a biased report paid for (directly or indirectly) by Google to exploit a large volume of channel sales, which was probably obtained via some channel incentive trick. All this inventory is currently languishing in Best Buy warehouses and will be returned unsold, and/or discounted. It's called channel stuffing. One would have to be seriously disturbed to plunk down $1,500 on a Pixel when you can get a better laptop for less.
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Where are the usage stats?
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post #98 of 210

FYI: The US commercial channel sales market, which includes resellers and distributors of computer products.

 

These `sales' are units shipped to these resellers and distributors and classified as sales final, when they are actually sales pending to an end consumer. In short, these are channel packings to prop up quarterlies and once they surpass the quarter and inventory of products aren't moving the distributor/reseller has an option to reduce the sale and/or ship back the merchandise with a small fee.

 

Those `units' statistics aren't worth spit. They never have been.

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If it plays Flash, it's dead in the water for many schools. A bit extreme I know but kids simply don't know how to use personal internet tools effectively or responsibly, after all they are just kids. Online Flash games make it necessary to severely restrict the use of the internet in most schools, as a result any device that relies on the internet for its key functionality is going to be strangled at birth.  

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I went to Best Buy on Saturday to pick up a thumb drive and had read this article on another site, and I decided to look at the chromebook they are just plain cheep looking and using them is just as bad, there was only 1 person while I was standing there who came to look at them and they only spent about a minute looking and left, also you should know they only have 1 little table with them on it and not very close to all the other computers and none of the salesmen even close to them to help the customer with.

post #101 of 210

If the economy picks up next year it may help Apple. People may be buying cheap computers just because their budgets are being slashed to the bone. But they need to remember TCO, and the lower number of problems with Apple products.

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If you are using AT&T or Verizon you will get charged a fee for hotspoting. Tmobile allows 2gb of hotspoting with their unlimited plan

 

Not true.  Verizon has never charged a fee for hotspot.  AT&T plans now include it. Although some grandfathered plans may not allow it, without leaving the old plan.  In both cases you have to pay for the data, but no extra charge for hotspot.

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How many people who got/bought an iPad were looking specifically for an iPad? Almost 100%. How many who bought a Chromebook were looking for one? Certainly a lot less. These people will realize how limited ChromeOS is at the moment and a lot of them won't buy it again.
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How many people who got/bought an iPad were looking specifically for an iPad? Almost 100%. How many who bought a Chromebook were looking for one? Certainly a lot less. These people will realize how limited ChromeOS is at the moment and a lot of them won't buy it again.

Just guessing, but I think many people who spent $400 or more on an iPad or $1000+ on an Air would get just as much use from a $200 +/- Chromebook. I doubt most folks run Photoshop or Illustrator or even need to specifically use Microsoft Office on a tablet or laptop. If you do then a Chromebook isn't for you.

While Apple targets the higher-income consumer Google is trying to offer a solution that everyone can consider. So what Chromebooks may be able to do that those high-priced tablets and laptops cannot is make the internet and all it can offer available to a whole segment that otherwise might not be able to without significant sacrifice. How is that something bad?
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To clarify my previous post: Chromebooks are perfect for K-12 classrooms. Content creation in this domain means writing papers, working with spreadsheets, and creating presentations. While iPads can do all of these things, Chromebooks can do them more efficiently and are much less expensive. There is still a place for iPads in education, but I think they are best suited for unique uses, such as special Ed, or closely targeted activities, such as math drills.

You can do a Keynote like presentation on ChromeOS?

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I did not realize that you could run windows on a pixel, and as for linux, I had read (admittedly, about a year ago) that linux did not support the high res display -- has this changed now?

You can't even mount networked drives on Chrome OS. It is impossible to do. People who use those have extremely simple needs. Not a bad thing per se, but more an more people use always one drives to play movies on their tv. It's impossible to do on a chromebook.
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You can do a Keynote like presentation on ChromeOS?
You can't even mount networked drives on Chrome OS. It is impossible to do. People who use those have extremely simple needs. Not a bad thing per se, but more an more people use always one drives to play movies on their tv. It's impossible to do on a chromebook.

Impossible to play movies on a Chromebook? Someone shoulda told me before I did so. 1oyvey.gif

I don't think some of the commenters in this thread actually know much about Chromebooks and what they can and cannot do. Here's a link to a short Q&A for those curious about them.
https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/3265094?hl=en
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Not true.  Verizon has never charged a fee for hotspot.  AT&T plans now include it. Although some grandfathered plans may not allow it, without leaving the old plan.  In both cases you have to pay for the data, but no extra charge for hotspot.
Unless AT&T changed their plans you have to subscribe to the highest data plan to get tethering.
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The massive increase seems odd. And do businesses really restrict themselves to web apps?

 

Exactly. I call b.s. on this. I think some of this is just made up nonsense.

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You can do a Keynote like presentation on ChromeOS?

Maybe you can. Dunno for certain but there's some folks who claim they can make it happen.
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That was enjoyable reading those comments.

Just to clear things up:

No, you don't need WiFi. You can do everything you normally would and it gets uploaded to the cloud next time you have a connection.

Many Chromebooks have the option for 4G built in with free data.

The new Haswell Chromebooks are really good. 10+ hours of battery. Cold boot time is 10 seconds. Blazing fast. Many of the sub $200, older Chrombooks are complete crap. Some of the newer ones have build quality as good as the MBA.

Touchscreens available.

I don't see any business use for them. That's obviously not what they were designed for. It's for education and a second household computer.

Keynote presentations are best done using a Chromecast or the HDMI out cable.

Auto updates in the background are great for the casual user.

They took the number 1 and number 3 spot in Amazon's top selling laptops of 2013. Get ready for them. Market share of these is going to skyrocket (more than it already has).

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Are you sure these are retail sales figures? Companies are notorious for inflating their sales figures by showing wholesale sales to distributors. Just because Best Buy or Amazon bought a ton of these and have them sitting in a warehouse somewhere doesn't mean they are actually being used by anyone. Like many posters, this just seems really hard to believe since I have never seen a chromebook being used by anyone. Not in business or casually.
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Not true.  Verizon has never charged a fee for hotspot.  AT&T plans now include it. Although some grandfathered plans may not allow it, without leaving the old plan.  In both cases you have to pay for the data, but no extra charge for hotspot.


Verizon use to charge a fee to hotspot I have paid it a couple of times but now they don't charge me anything I used it 2 weeks ago.

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That was enjoyable reading those comments.
Just to clear things up:
No, you don't need WiFi. You can do everything you normally would and it gets uploaded to the cloud next time you have a connection.
Many Chromebooks have the option for 4G built in with free data.
The new Haswell Chromebooks are really good. 10+ hours of battery. Cold boot time is 10 seconds. Blazing fast. Many of the sub $200, older Chrombooks are complete crap. Some of the newer ones have build quality as good as the MBA.
Touchscreens available.
I don't see any business use for them. That's obviously not what they were designed for. It's for education and a second household computer.

Keynote presentations are best done using a Chromecast or the HDMI out cable.

Auto updates in the background are great for the casual user.

They took the number 1 and number 3 spot in Amazon's top selling laptops of 2013. Get ready for them. 
Market share of these is going to skyrocket (more than it already has).

The article claims there is a business use - that's the main use. I could see education all right - to counteract that Apple need to produce a good keyboard.
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The article claims there is a business use - that's the main use. I could see education all right - to counteract that Apple need to produce a good keyboard.

I think you're misreading "commercial" in the report title as referring to business use. AFAIK it's not but instead referring to commercial re-sellers like Best Buy or Staples
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I can tell you from personal experience who is getting Chromebooks. It is parents for their children who need a computer and do not have the money for 4 macbook pros. My daughter received a $200 Acer Chromebook. Students need a keyboard to learn typing, simple word processing and netflix. The Chromebook is locked down so updates only happen on auto. This was a problem because Netflix required the beta channel to work. It took me over an hour to find the suggestion on the web that turned on the beta updates. The Acer support guy blamed netflix and google. He didn't explain anything. Support among traditional pc producers is seen simply as a waste of resources.

I would not use it for anything else. The screen is poor quality. Battery life is 3 hours. I haven't seen any use beyond this most basic one. It certainly doesn't feel like an aspirational product.
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Notice that there is another huge benefit if you are running a school: you control EXACTLY what is installed on the machine.

You must not have any teenage kids.  When our son was in tenth grade, he and his friends were able to bypass all of the schools controls in less than a week.  They were able to install whatever they wished.  They did remove it all, because they were just seeing if they could do it.  A lot of smaller school systems cannot afford to pay the high price for an experienced admin that can really lock down the machines.  Now, please remember that I said a lot, and not all.  I know that there are some very good admins working in schools everywhere.  Just not where my kids went to high school!

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Are Mikey Campbell's posts designed as a setup for DED? It seems all his stories are of the brain-dead "Apple is doomed" type that DED rails against. Seems Appleinsider needs to do a little housekeeping with their staff..

The "...as iPad fails to sell" headline is Mikey's meme. Each of DED's personalities have a distinct habit to keep it consistent. 1smile.gif

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I'm in San Francisco, and aside from the 1 chromebook we bought to check out its possible use, I haven't seen 1 notebook in the wild... at all. Where are they if they are so popular?
(PS the chromebook wont run some endpoint client software for remote access to our network, so we aren't purchasing them either.
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Yes you control exactly what is installed on the device... Nothing.

Instead of a walled garden, you get a walled desert. And the school plays the role of warden.

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