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Apple on Friday kicked off a temporary promotion that will give customers a free $25 iTunes gift card with the purchase of an Apple TV from the company's online or retail stores in the U.S.

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The limited-time offer runs only through March 5 and only applies to Apple TV purchases made in America direct through Apple. Refurbished Apple TV units do not qualify for the promotion.

The offer is currently advertised on the official Apple Rebates website, but there appears to be some confusion about the promotion after it kicked off. A handful of stores contacted by AppleInsider Friday said they were unaware of any such offer, and representatives at the company's toll-free number were similarly confused, with one representative suggesting perhaps we were referring to a Black Friday 2013 deal.

In addition, the checkout process on Apple's online store makes no mention of a gift card offer when attempting to purchase a new Apple TV. The Apple Store did see a brief period of downtime last night, and a new "Shop Accessories" section was added once the store came back online.

Despite any confusion, the sale is officially listed on Apple's website and the fine print clearly states that it begins on Feb. 28.

The timing of the sale is of particular interest, as Apple is believed to be working on a successor to the Apple TV. The currently available third-generation hardware was last updated in early 2012.

One report from earlier this month claimed that a new Apple TV may be introduced as soon as April, though it was also claimed that the device will not actually become available for sale until this fall. Such a lengthy wait time between a product's introduction and launch would seemingly suggest that the new device could represent a major overhaul or entirely new platform for Apple, and time would be needed to not only finish the product, but also potentially allow developers to create new applications for an updated set-top box.

For example, Apple had a five-month lead time between the announcement of the first iPhone and its launch in June of 2007. The wait between the unveiling and launch of the iPad, which runs a scaled-up version of the iPhone operating system, was considerably shorter: just over two months.
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imo the Apple TV box upgrade is coming soon.  April makes sense, but with this rebate it could even be before that.

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imo the Apple TV box upgrade is coming soon.  April makes sense, but with this rebate it could even be before that.

This is an unusual discount for Apple so I agree.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/more-1-billion-worth-apple-180545969.html

 

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CUPERTINO, California (Reuters) - Apple Inc CEO Tim Cook said the company had sold more than $1 billion's worth of Apple TV set-top boxes in 2013, a small but significant number for a $99 device that has played second fiddle to the iPhone, iPad and Macintosh computer for years.

"It's a little more difficult to call it a hobby these days," Cook told shareholders at the company's headquarters in Cupertino.

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nice, but thats the main news of today shareholder meeting? or is meeting still in progress? :)

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Well Im ready to upgrade. I use it to view podcasts, and rent a movie once in a while.

 

Curious what improvements would be made that might be a 'wow'!? Or just a slight speed bump etc.

 

My main desire, is HDMI pass through(for cable box). Right now have to pick up my receiver remote and click the proper input etc. Be nice if I could just use one HDMI input to my receiver. then when I want to see whats on ATV, just use the apple remote. (I know there other things that could be programmed etc... its just me.)

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I have the current gen Apple tv, and I'm happy with it, but I wonder how the new one is going to be.

 

This $25 itunes card promotion from Apple makes the current Apple TV a pretty good deal, but I think that it's a better idea to just get the newest model, which is right around the corner.

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Well Im ready to upgrade. I use it to view podcasts, and rent a movie once in a while.

Curious what improvements would be made that might be a 'wow'!? Or just a slight speed bump etc.

My main desire, is HDMI pass through(for cable box). Right now have to pick up my receiver remote and click the proper input etc. Be nice if I could just use one HDMI input to my receiver. then when I want to see whats on ATV, just use the apple remote. (I know there other things that could be programmed etc... its just me.)

This would also allow for your Apple TV UI to always be on the ready, even overlaying your cable/sat info if someone is calling you, someone is at the door, important news you want to follow, etc.

I can't express how much I hate having to use the TV remote simply to change the input. It just feels so archaic, and that isn't helped when I can't remove unused input options like HDMI 3, Component 1, Component 2, VGA, and Composite.

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nice, but thats the main news of today shareholder meeting? or is meeting still in progress? :)

 

So far that and that all shareholder proposals have been shot down. There is no surprise there though. Guess there was no live blog.

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Wow! That is over 10 million Apple TVs sold. I guess it a bit harder to call the Apple TV a hobby.

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imo the Apple TV box upgrade is coming soon.  April makes sense, but with this rebate it could even be before that.

I definitely agree with it coming this Spring.  This promotion is most likely an attempt by Apple to clear out existing Apple TV inventory before an announcement, after which few will want to buy the outgoing model.  Better to clear out inventory before an announcement.

 

Contrary to what the story speculates, I don't see Apple announcing a new Apple TV in the next few months, only to hold it back for release until the Fall.  Maybe it gets a software update in the Fall for some new TV-related feature that needs more work (or giving Apple more time to sign up providers), but that's no reason to hold up delivery now if it's otherwise 90-95% complete and can offer new functionality from the outset (apps and 4K TV support, for example).

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Wow! That is over 10 million Apple TVs sold. I guess it a bit harder to call the Apple TV a hobby.

Horace Dediu of Asymco Tweeted that Apple has sold over 27 million units since 2007 for revenues likely around $3.5 billion.

When your hobby project makes more revenue and/or profit on its own than most of your competitors make in total it's time to make into another leg of your business.

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nice, but thats the main news of today shareholder meeting? or is meeting still in progress? :)

Interesting rumor that Oppenheimer may retire (I don't know Forbes's credibility on Apple-related matters): http://onforb.es/1khdUdd

 

If it turns out to be true, I'd say, it's about time. Apple's needs and complexities have far outgrown him.

 

(Reposted in the other AppleTV-related story).

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This would also allow for your Apple TV UI to always be on the ready, even overlaying your cable/sat info if someone is calling you, someone is at the door, important news you want to follow, etc.

I can't express how much I hate having to use the TV remote simply to change the input. It just feels so archaic, and that isn't helped when I can't remove unused input options like HDMI 3, Component 1, Component 2, VGA, and Composite.

 

I couldn't agree more.  Archaic is a perfect description.  Also, and this might just be my set-up and inability to fix it, I don't know; but the volume levels are all over the place -- cable is one thing, Blu-Ray player is another, AppleTV is something else -- it drives me nuts.

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Interesting rumor that Oppenheimer may retire (I don't know Forbes's credibility on Apple-related matters): http://onforb.es/1khdUdd

If it turns out to be true, I'd say, it's about time. Apple's needs and complexities have far outgrown him.

(Reposted in the other AppleTV-related story).

How has Apple's complexities out grown him? The guy hasn't done anything adverse to Apple's interests that I am aware of.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
This is an unusually discount for Apple so I would agree.

 

Steve would never have discounted a model sold as new.

 

Not going to put quotation marks on that; I think it’s interesting if everyone comes to their own conclusions about whether they’re needed.

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Not going to put quotation marks on that; I think it’s interesting if everyone comes to their own conclusions about whether they’re needed.

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I couldn't agree more.  Archaic is a perfect description.  Also, and this might just be my set-up and inability to fix it, I don't know; but the volume levels are all over the place -- cable is one thing, Blu-Ray player is another, AppleTV is something else -- it drives me nuts.

Oh, the volume! Never forget to turn the volume right down before switching to ATV. And every time we use airplay we scramble for the remote. No, let me correct that... we scramble for the right remote. A new box will probably be nice but I am very happy with the performance and functionality of my atv2 generally. For me its all about the software now. I'd like to hide or delete all those useless icons I will never use. I think Netfix should have a two tier plan. The 9 dollar standard and the 15 dollar premier package where I can select a set number of live sports or other premier drama series. Or maybe Apple should do something like it. A hundred subscription based niche or premiere channels (whatever you want to call them) hardly improves the user experience. 

 

The answer is not straight forward by any means but the Television experience still has a long way to go. Perhaps if we could hide all the crap but there was a content store like the app store, and when you buy or subscribe to a season / show, it appears like an app?

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This can't come soon enough. I've always recommended the apple tv as a nice complementary device to those becoming comfortable with apples ecosystem. But having been a long time user of apple tv, this upgrade can't come soon enough. A few of my issues are: volume (as mentioned in a post above), layout (by far and away the most unintuitative of any apple products I own.), and finally the remote app!!!! How on earth can 3rd party music apps and the like allow me access to pause, skip, and volume on the swipe up menu on my phone and anything I'm playing through my apple tv has to specifically be accessed through the remote app! It's frustrating... as is the responsiveness of that app.

I, for one, think and hope that this is a spring release. I don't think apple can afford to wait this one out any longer than that... in other words, I don't wanna wait please gimmie gimimie gimmie some much needed improvements.
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Maybe a New Apple TV device is more of a main house controller (master), where you then still use the current ATV as slaves.
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How has Apple's complexities out grown him? The guy hasn't done anything adverse to Apple's interests that I am aware of.

I have not remotely implied that he did anything 'adverse' to Apple's interests. Don't even go there. I just said Apple has outgrown him.

 

He's been doing a very poor job of managing market expectations. The last conference call (despite a blow-out quarter) was Exhibit A, and for me the final straw. Even Tim appeared quite taken aback -- when he recently mentioned that he had used that dip to buy back more shares -- at how poorly the message about record iPhone sales had been received. The market's expectations were well-known, widely-reported, and overblown.

 

It was/is the CFO's job to talk these silly expectations down. He just disappears from view between quarterly conf calls. That's doing a poor job in a half-trillion dollar company, imho.

 

Incidentally, this is something that he would want to do on behalf of the employees (and not so much the shareholders) who are busting their butts producing and selling heck out of the stuff. He owes it his colleagues.

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I just bought my sister an Apple TV for Christmas so I'm curious to see what's new in the updated version. Presumably it'll include a faster CPU/GPU compared to the one currently available. It'll be good news if they allow games to run directly from the box, though it would need some more storage space included.
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I have not remotely implied that he did anything 'adverse' to Apple's interests. Don't even go there. I just said Apple has outgrown him.

 

He's been doing a very poor job of managing market expectations... The market's expectations were well-known, widely-reported, and overblown.

 

It was/is the CFO's job to talk these silly expectations down. He just disappears from view between quarterly conf calls. That's doing a poor job in a half-trillion dollar company, imho.

:rolleyes: That's a Wall St. problem, and managing their expectations is an exercise in futility.  Ultimately they'd rather take the Wall St. press as gospel, and it's pretty clear from all recent history they don't want to listen to Apple, nor the hard numbers they report quarterly.  If soothing the irrational, chaotic fears and gripes of stock traders is a priority, all that's needed is a look at the financials.

 

The CFO's job has many tangible responsibilities, Apple doesn't need their CFO distracted by coddling the weak willed, or showering the insecure with attention.

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:rolleyes: That's a Wall St. problem, and managing their expectations is an exercise in futility.  

That's nonsense.

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My main desire, is HDMI pass through(for cable box). Right now have to pick up my receiver remote and click the proper input etc. Be nice if I could just use one HDMI input to my receiver. then when I want to see whats on ATV, just use the apple remote. (I know there other things that could be programmed etc... its just me.)

Not me. I would rather see apps for all the networks on a store like set up so I can pick the ones I want and a centralized validation setting. Then I have the single UI with no need for a cable box and rental fees.

A pass through and control SDK for my DVD or blue ray player, sure. Go for that I suppose.

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That's nonsense.

You are totally incorrect.

 

If some investors want to follow tabloid quality financial news, a handful of rotating press pundits, that's their problem.

Apple already provides future quarter guidance, no additional strokes needed for investing adults.  Numbers matter, not the quality of editorial opinion in the press, that's not under any kind of control or responsibility for Apple's CFO.

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This sounds like we might have a March release of gen 4, maybe keynote invitations on the 5th, but Apple would never do a keynote for just a hobby, wonder what else?
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Apple would never do a keynote for just a hobby, wonder what else?

 

Nothing else, hopefully.

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The Reuters article got it wrong.  Tim's quote was that they sold $1B worth of AppleTV's plus content for it during 2013, as opposed to just $1B for the boxes alone.  Big difference considering people with AppleTV's most likely purchase way more than $99 worth of content on it per year.

 

Don't get me wrong, this is still a great haul, but a news agency should do a better job of interporeting quotes that are readily available.

 

Thompson 

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Well Im ready to upgrade. I use it to view podcasts, and rent a movie once in a while.

 

Curious what improvements would be made that might be a 'wow'!? Or just a slight speed bump etc.

 

My main desire, is HDMI pass through(for cable box). Right now have to pick up my receiver remote and click the proper input etc. Be nice if I could just use one HDMI input to my receiver. then when I want to see whats on ATV, just use the apple remote. (I know there other things that could be programmed etc... its just me.)

 

buy a cheap Harmony Universal remote for $70. 

 

I can control my BluRay Player, AppleTV, TV, Receiver,Cable box and even my lights.

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This would also allow for your Apple TV UI to always be on the ready, even overlaying your cable/sat info if someone is calling you, someone is at the door, important news you want to follow, etc.

I can't express how much I hate having to use the TV remote simply to change the input. It just feels so archaic, and that isn't helped when I can't remove unused input options like HDMI 3, Component 1, Component 2, VGA, and Composite.

Get a universal Harmony remote, and never worry about picking up other remotes and selecting the right input again.  (That is, after the first time when you program your "activities".)

 

Thompson

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You are totally incorrect.

 

If some investors want to follow tabloid quality financial news, a handful of rotating press pundits, that's their problem.

Apple already provides future quarter guidance, no additional strokes needed for investing adults.  Numbers matter, not the quality of editorial opinion in the press, that's not under any kind of control or responsibility for Apple's CFO.

You just don’t get it, or don’t know much about what companies actually do.

 

Having a CFO/IR Department that can carefully manage analyst expectations is very much a part of the agenda of savvy companies. Do they succeed 100% of the time? Of course not. But does it substantially improve the odds that the analysts and the financial media – the food source for short-term traders – will cut you a lot of slack? You bet.

 

Just ask Google, Amazon, and Tesla.

 

Incidentally, I think Apple should stop giving guidance (which amounts to a weasel-y range of numbers anyway), and let the analysts do their own work. Apple would be in some pretty good company, with the likes of Google, GE, McDonalds, Coca Cola, and Berkshire Hathaway. Apple should focus instead on managing expectations when analyst ‘whisper’ numbers get out of control as they’re recently done, time and time again. For a CFO to turn a blind eye to market expectations that run wild – especially when so much employee wealth is tied up in the market value of the stock – is plain stupid.

 

You can choose not to believe it. That’s certainly your prerogative.

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I will not buy an iphone or Apple TV until they offer a bigger iphone an an updated Apple TV
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I will not buy an iphone or Apple TV until they offer a bigger iphone an an updated Apple TV

 

Uh-huh.

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You are totally incorrect.

If some investors want to follow tabloid quality financial news,
a handful of rotating press pundits, that's their problem.

Apple already provides future quarter guidance, no additional strokes needed for investing adults.  Numbers matter, not the quality of editorial opinion in the press, that's not under any kind of control or responsibility for Apple's CFO.

You are absolutely right about this. Anantksundaram and others such as the illustrious Constable Odo would have Apple "managing" those who have shown themselves incapable of understanding what the company is about. This would be a violation of Apple's covenant with its users: we focus on your products, not on lobbying and hustling.
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I will not buy an iphone or Apple TV until they offer a bigger iphone an an updated Apple TV

 

We care why?

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Interesting rumor that Oppenheimer may retire (I don't know Forbes's credibility on Apple-related matters): http://onforb.es/1khdUdd

 

If it turns out to be true, I'd say, it's about time. Apple's needs and complexities have far outgrown him.

 

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You just don’t get it, or don’t know much about what companies actually do.

 

Having a CFO/IR Department that can carefully manage analyst expectations is very much a part of the agenda of savvy companies. Do they succeed 100% of the time? Of course not. But does it substantially improve the odds that the analysts and the financial media – the food source for short-term traders – will cut you a lot of slack? You bet.

 

Just ask Google, Amazon, and Tesla.

 

Incidentally, I think Apple should stop giving guidance (which amounts to a weasel-y range of numbers anyway), and let the analysts do their own work. Apple would be in some pretty good company, with the likes of Google, GE, McDonalds, Coca Cola, and Berkshire Hathaway. Apple should focus instead on managing expectations when analyst ‘whisper’ numbers get out of control as they’re recently done, time and time again. For a CFO to turn a blind eye to market expectations that run wild – especially when so much employee wealth is tied up in the market value of the stock – is plain stupid.

 

You can choose not to believe it. That’s certainly your prerogative.

 

You spent time on the later half of Friday with your 'expert' financial musings about how the complexities of Apple were beyond Oppenheimer.  Now its Monday, and he's been appointed to the board of Goldman Sachs, one of the biggest financial houses on Wall St.  Clearly they thought he was doing well enough at his day job, to ask him to help them out during his free time.

 

But I'll take a short break from doing victory laps on your head, to address your follow up post from over the weekend:

 

You named three companies that do a thing.  Go back and write down all the unsuccessful companies that also do the same thing.  Clearly the lynchpin to financial success is not having a CFO to coddle the easily swayed, irrational short term opinions of Wall St.  It's a waste of time (and money) for smart, talented people to try and help educate the dim.  Clearly I wasted my time last week trying to help you and should have just let nature take its course, irrelevant your silly ideas back to obscurity, while I sipped delicious pina coladas.  Next time I'll remember, you're easily bested with or without rum.

 

Your 'appeal to decency' debate tactic about those poor Apple employees wealth, was so pathetic and transparently desperate, it deserves special mention.  Apple employees' long term stock wealth is directly tied to the output of their collective work, and not the short term hysterics of the Wall St. press and the plebs who swallow it as holy gospel.

 

In conclusion, what I choose to believe is irrelevant (though miraculously in harmony with known reality), but your financial insights aren't worth the cheap cloth of the troll sack you keep them in.  Got any other Apple executives you'd like to ignorantly gripe about?

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You spent time on the later half of Friday with your 'expert' financial musings about how the complexities of Apple were beyond Oppenheimer.  Now its Monday, and he's been appointed to the board of Goldman Sachs, one of the biggest financial houses on Wall St.  Clearly they thought he was doing well enough at his day job, to ask him to help them out during his free time.

 

But I'll take a short break from doing victory laps on your head, to address your follow up post from over the weekend:

 

You named three companies that do a thing.  Go back and write down all the unsuccessful companies that also do the same thing.  Clearly the lynchpin to financial success is not having a CFO to coddle the easily swayed, irrational short term opinions of Wall St.  It's a waste of time (and money) for smart, talented people to try and help educate the dim.  Clearly I wasted my time last week trying to help you and should have just let nature take its course, irrelevant your silly ideas back to obscurity, while I sipped delicious pina coladas.  Next time I'll remember, you're easily bested with or without rum.

 

Your 'appeal to decency' debate tactic about those poor Apple employees wealth, was so pathetic and transparently desperate, it deserves special mention.  Apple employees' long term stock wealth is directly tied to the output of their collective work, and not the short term hysterics of the Wall St. press and the plebs who swallow it as holy gospel.

 

In conclusion, what I choose to believe is irrelevant (though miraculously in harmony with known reality), but your financial insights aren't worth the cheap cloth of the troll sack you keep them in.  Got any other Apple executives you'd like to ignorantly gripe about?

Yowzie! Stop getting your panties in a bunch. 

 

Quite apart from the fact that you are somewhat clueless about the nature of my post, the appointment to Goldman Sach's board, while nice, tells us nothing necessarily about quality. 

 

One, they might just after future Apple business. Two, being a Goldman director did not prevent someone from being convicted of insider trading: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/rajat-gupta-convicted-of-insider-trading/ (not that I am even remotely suggesting that Oppenheimer would do anything remotely close, but rather, I am simply pointing out that being appointed to their Board is not an anointment of some sort or an unalloyed signal of quality).

 

That said, perhaps Oppenheimer will learn a couple of expectation-management insights from being on that board.

 

Edits: Added link.

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Yowzie! Stop getting your panties in a bunch. 

 

Quite apart from the fact that you are somewhat clueless about the nature of my post, the appointment to Goldman Sach's board, while nice, tells us nothing necessarily about quality. 

 

One, they might just after future Apple business. Two, being a Goldman director did not prevent someone from being convicted of insider trading: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/rajat-gupta-convicted-of-insider-trading/ (not that I am even remotely suggesting that Oppenheimer would do anything remotely close, but rather, I am simply pointing out that being appointed to their Board is not an anointment of some sort or an unalloyed signal of quality).

 

That said, perhaps Oppenheimer will learn a couple of expectation-management insights from being on that board.

 

Edits: Added link.

 

My panties don't bunch, that's the beauty of thongs.  :smokey:

 

Clueless... well here's what I know...

Fact: Peter Oppenheimer knows at least twice as much about any of this than you do.

Also: he's now the CFO of the most successful company on Earth, and a BOD of Goldman Sachs.

Further: you are not either of those things, in fact you're nobody armed with silly beauro-speak fed on low grade, mass media financial reporting.

 

You need to manage your own expectations, and seriously ask yourself... how can you possibly ever compare to Oppenheimer

What have you ever accomplished in comparison?  Nothing?  Less than nothing?  A quarter of less than nothing?  So run along, and tally those bananas.

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Ugh. I see that you've descended into utter juvenility.

You've certainly met expectations.
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