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Through its indirect channel of trusted resellers, Apple has become increasingly aggressive on Mac pricing in 2014, offering discounts that go well beyond historical trends. That continues with big savings on the company's new iMac released just last week -- a pattern that suggests the company is actively experimenting with lower price points across multiple product families.




Apple's 1.4GHz 21-inch iMac was introduced at new entry-level price point of $1,099 just six days ago. But as of Tuesday morning, AppleInsider's Price Guides revealed the company appears to have authorized a $120 price cut through Best Buy, where it's now on sale for just $979.99. B&H Photo, another long-time Apple reseller that adds additional tax savings, similarly cut its price to $978.99 on the heels of Best Buy's move.

Students can knock an additional $150 off the discounted iMac price at Best Buy with a special coupon (by supplying a valid .EDU email), bringing the cost of the all-in-one desktop to just $829.99. Discounts of $120 are also available on other 21.5- and 27-inch iMac models, and the sale is advertised to last for 24 hours.

These unprecedentedly swift discounts from authorized Apple resellers follow weeks' worth of uncharacteristically steep discounts on the company's MacBook Air lineup, which also saw a refresh just weeks ago.

The fact that lower prices on new Macs are arriving so quickly would suggest that Apple itself may be sanctioning the discounts. It's possible that the company is looking to help push inventory as it deals with a dearth of new chip options from its CPU partner Intel.

Intel's next-generation Broadwell chips aren't slated to begin arriving until later this year, leaving Apple in a difficult spot where it can't significantly boost the speed or battery life of its Macs. As a result, Apple has instead focused on more affordable options with its Mac hardware refreshes thus far.

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In addition to the new $1,099 iMac, Apple also slashed $100 off its suggested pricing for new MacBook Airs that debuted in April to a new entry price of $899, making them the most affordable mass-market notebooks the company has ever sold.

Resellers have of course further undercut those prices, but major partners like Best Buy are likely doing so with the blessing of Apple, which does not itself offer regular discounts or promotional pricing. Instead, the company opts for more unconventional approaches to drive sales -- methods that allow it to maintain its strict pricing at fixed levels while moving inventory surplus through the aid of indirect and sometimes unaffiliated channels.

Another approach employed by Apple was discovered by AppleInsider last year, when the Mac maker began selling hardware through a "secret" eBay store. The somewhat unofficial store has since closed, but at the time it offered refurbished MacBooks for up to $100 less than Apple would sell them direct to customers through its own online store.



Since last year, Apple has also been more conservative with its Mac inventory, keeping the amount of hardware in the channel at lower levels to avoid a potential oversupply. This was reflected by Apple reducing its channel inventory by a whopping $1 billion in the company's June 2013 fiscal quarter.

Update: this offer has since expired from Best Buy but remains available from B&H. Readers hunting for the latest daily deals can keep an eye on deals.appleinsider.com for exceptional offers or find the lowest price on a specific Apple product every day in our live Price Guides at prices.appleinsider.com.
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Now if Apple follows suit this iMac will be in the price range it should be. $999 is the sweet spot IMO. 

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Here's something radical they could do - a two or three slot minitower along the lines of the IIcx or IIci.

In other words, the xMac. A GLARING hole in their product line right now 1tongue.gif

I'd rather have functional than thin, please. And the ability to not only pick but CHANGE my graphics card. Apple flat out SUCKS with their complete lack of GPU selection. It's slightly tolerable on laptops, but inexcusable on desktops to have NOT ONE that lets you pick or change your graphic card.
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that adds additional tax savings for all customers outside NY

Since when do we promote tax evasion and tax fraud on AppleInsider?  You're still obligated to claim those purchases on your taxes.

 

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Here's something radical they could do - a two or three slot minitower along the lines of the IIcx or IIci.

In other words, the xMac. A GLARING hole in their product line right now 1tongue.gif
 

Won't ever happen.  I think the majority would just be happy with a mini update.  :)

 

 

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That $1099 price now seems very wise since they can discount it to a far more reasonable price that hits the sweet spot and also gives people the idea they are saving over a $100. 

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Since when do we promote tax evasion and tax fraud on AppleInsider?  You're still obligated to claim those purchases on your taxes.

 

 

Ha! And who does that? LOL

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Wow, what a surprise...not.
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I think the majority would just be happy with a mini update.  :)

 

That's what I'm waiting on.:)

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That $1099 price now seems very wise since they can discount it to a far more reasonable price that hits the sweet spot and also gives people the idea they are saving over a $100. 
This is why I hate retail. Mark something up so you can mark it down and make people think they're getting a deal. Sad thing is consumers fall for it every time. Ron Johnson tried to change the discount mentality at JCPenney and failed miserably because people want their damn coupons. 1oyvey.gif
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these machines need to come with SSDs standard...like the laptops. 256gb SSD.
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Ha! And who does that? LOL

 

Many of us do.  In some states, such as Illinois, the annual tax return requires you to enter a payment of "use tax due for internet purchases".  If you don't have your records, you can pay a fixed fee of 0.06% of your adjusted gross income.  The State warns you that they obtain information "from third parties" and perform routine audits (i.e., their computer audits everyone), and assess penalties and interest.  They could easily have credit card records, etc.  

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Here's something radical they could do - a two or three slot minitower along the lines of the IIcx or IIci.

In other words, the xMac. A GLARING hole in their product line right now 1tongue.gif

I'd rather have functional than thin, please. And the ability to not only pick but CHANGE my graphics card. Apple flat out SUCKS with their complete lack of GPU selection. It's slightly tolerable on laptops, but inexcusable on desktops to have NOT ONE that lets you pick or change your graphic card.

sigh.  why is it a glaring hole in their product line.  If they are missing MILLIONS of sales... it's a glaring hole. 1,000s?  not so much.

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and this is a serious educational platform for non-technical education people.   I doubt students are in the play (mobility is a requirement), but professors, teachers, etc. for their base machines.   

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I see these iMacs as an attention getter AND for schools

understand what people are using their iMac's for

mine are used (side by side in the den on a custom table)  by my kids for homework, youtube, minecraft web surfing they are from 2007  upgraded to 3gb ram and still rocking

i use them when i need two screens to do my iBank program and ripping dvd's since it has the built in superdrive (handbrake)

what real limitations do these "low power" iMacs have ....what usable life span ??

they pack more than my 2007 iMacs,  my IT guy has experience replacing hard drives for iMacs  so as long as i can keep up with OS updates ( i believe it will work yosemite)  i'm good to go for another 2-3 years

 

many feel macs out of their budget but when i tell them they last so long and get free OS upgrades they start to listen and listen hard

 

i suggest refurbished macs from apple

 

so i know much has been said about their "low power"  but for 99% shouldn't this be good for 5 years use??

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More proof of Appe's Doomedness. What's that "Apple is Doom" countdown clock at?

Good deal for students and businesses.
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At first, I thought this $1,099 iMac was a stupid move by Apple.  But as was posted elsewhere, it's a good marketing tool, because for not much more money, you can buy the next better iMac.  Also, I begin to realize that there really are some significant niche markets where the new unit is a good choice, such as kiosks and computer labs at high schools and colleges. All that's needed is a decently fast Mac (which this is), and the ability to easily administer the units, with daily re-sets of the OS, software, etc. Many students will already have their personal stuff on phones anyway, so having the big screen is more apropos to a teaching environment, where everyone can be provided with uniform hardware and software for pedagogic reasons.  This could be a big seller.  Especially if the educational price of $1,049 is further undercut, which may occur, given the reductions of BestBuy, etc.

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sigh.  why is it a glaring hole in their product line.  If they are missing MILLIONS of sales... it's a glaring hole. 1,000s?  not so much.

Because it's Apple. Every Apple "molehill" problem is automatically a mountain.
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Here's something radical they could do - a two or three slot minitower along the lines of the IIcx or IIci.

In other words, the xMac. A GLARING hole in their product line right now 1tongue.gif

I'd rather have functional than thin, please. And the ability to not only pick but CHANGE my graphics card. Apple flat out SUCKS with their complete lack of GPU selection. It's slightly tolerable on laptops, but inexcusable on desktops to have NOT ONE that lets you pick or change your graphic card.

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Many of us do.  In some states, such as Illinois, the annual tax return requires you to enter a payment of "use tax due for internet purchases".  If you don't have your records, you can pay a fixed fee of 0.06% of your adjusted gross income.  The State warns you that they obtain information "from third parties" and perform routine audits (i.e., their computer audits everyone), and assess penalties and interest.  They could easily have credit card records, etc.  

Plan large purchases around visits to states without state sales taxes, like Oregon.

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these machines need to come with SSDs standard...like the laptops. 256gb SSD.
At the current progress it will.
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Many of us do.  In some states, such as Illinois, the annual tax return requires you to enter a payment of "use tax due for internet purchases".  If you don't have your records, you can pay a fixed fee of 0.06% of your adjusted gross income.  The State warns you that they obtain information "from third parties" and perform routine audits (i.e., their computer audits everyone), and assess penalties and interest.  They could easily have credit card records, etc.

Glad I don't like in Illinois.  In my state they ask a similar question but there is no suggestion that they verify it.  Moreover, we actually get an income tax deduction based on the inferred amount that we spent on sales tax (and I believe if you have document that you spent more than expected, you can claim that higher amount).

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At first, I thought this $1,099 iMac was a stupid move by Apple.  But as was posted elsewhere, it's a good marketing tool, because for not much more money, you can buy the next better iMac.  

Yep... Apple has always been good at getting you in the door with a low price and moving you towards the next product.

I remember long ago when the 8GB iPod Touch was $229.... but for $299 you could get a 32GB iPod Touch.

Who in their right mind would actually buy the 8GB model at that price?

The old 64GB Macbook Air was a similar situation.... for only $100 more you could double the storage space to 128GB.

And here we are again... the $1,099 iMac gets you in the door... but the one you REALLY want is the $1,299 model (which was there already)

The $1,299 model suddenly looks more attractive... even though it was there all along.
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Plan large purchases around visits to states without state sales taxes, like Oregon.

 

The ability to "get away with" something does not make it any more ethical.  Use taxes are owed whether one mail-orders a product or drives across state lines and brings it in. Generally, if one pays sales tax in the state of purchase, other states are willing to overlook the use tax due when the item is brought in.  It is entirely reasonable for IL to assess a use tax on a purchase I make in OR, when I bring it into IL.

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Here's something radical they could do - a two or three slot minitower along the lines of the IIcx or IIci.

In other words, the xMac. A GLARING hole in their product line right now 1tongue.gif

I'd rather have functional than thin, please. And the ability to not only pick but CHANGE my graphics card. Apple flat out SUCKS with their complete lack of GPU selection. It's slightly tolerable on laptops, but inexcusable on desktops to have NOT ONE that lets you pick or change your graphic card.

You sound like you're in the wrong forum. Who are you talking to? Maybe 10 years ago but that boat has sailed. You should try a PC. They let you mix and match components until you're blue in the face if that's what you're into ;-)

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And here we are again... the $1,099 iMac gets you in the door... but the one you REALLY want is the $1,299 model (which was there already)
The $1,299 model suddenly looks more attractive... even though it was there all along.

 

Yes, but if you're a student (or college), the $830 "new" iMac is actually probably all you need for email and basic tasks.  But if you need the power, the next-better Mac is now $470 more expensive.  I think Apple has a winner, with the $830 student pricing, as well as a "teaser" machine for non-academics paying full-fare.  And Joe-consumer can still get a bargain from some of the big-box outlets.

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...and I won't miss them a bit ONCE THERE'S A WAY TO CONNECT A GRAPHICS ACCELERATOR VIA THUNDERBOLT!

 

...and some companies quit clinging to cards for DSP (Avid, RME).

 

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Glad I don't like in Illinois.  In my state they ask a similar question but there is no suggestion that they verify it.  Moreover, we actually get an income tax deduction based on the inferred amount that we spent on sales tax (and I believe if you have document that you spent more than expected, you can claim that higher amount).

 

Same here...such as NY for example. Its mentioned on the NYS Tax Return to enter in all of your purchases. Everyone, and I mean everyone I know just checks the box that says I haven't made any internet purchases that didn't have tax already paid. NY gets enough of my money as it is. They don't need anymore of it. 

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The ability to "get away with" something does not make it any more ethical.  Use taxes are owed whether one mail-orders a product or drives across state lines and brings it in. Generally, if one pays sales tax in the state of purchase, other states are willing to overlook the use tax due when the item is brought in.  It is entirely reasonable for IL to assess a use tax on a purchase I make in OR, when I bring it into IL.

I do not view taxes as ethical and I'm an American citizen. My views are currently unfairly maligned and demonized.

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The ability to "get away with" something does not make it any more ethical.  Use taxes are owed whether one mail-orders a product or drives across state lines and brings it in. Generally, if one pays sales tax in the state of purchase, other states are willing to overlook the use tax due when the item is brought in.  It is entirely reasonable for IL to assess a use tax on a purchase I make in OR, when I bring it into IL.

 

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Glad I don't like in Illinois.  In my state they ask a similar question but there is no suggestion that they verify it.  Moreover, we actually get an income tax deduction based on the inferred amount that we spent on sales tax (and I believe if you have document that you spent more than expected, you can claim that higher amount).

I have that too in Texas.  But I have to look at myself in the mirror, and I have to teach my kids that stealing is wrong- even if it's from an insitution I think over-taxes me as it is.  But that's the "burden" I bear by living in America.  If you're cool teaching your kids to cheat and steal (yes, even a "little" stealing is still stealing), by all means- do it.  That's on you.  Me?  The $500 a year I save on internet sales taxes isn't worth the damage to my character.


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Intel's next-generation Broadwell chips aren't slated to begin arriving until later this year, leaving Apple in a difficult spot where it can't significantly boost the speed or battery life of its Macs. As a result, Apple has instead focused on more affordable options with its Mac hardware refreshes thus far.

 

Here's a thought.  Apple could update the Mac mini with a Haswell chip while waiting for Intel to get their proverbial Broadwell shit together.

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Here's something radical they could do - a two or three slot minitower along the lines of the IIcx or IIci.

In other words, the xMac. A GLARING hole in their product line right now 1tongue.gif

I'd rather have functional than thin, please. And the ability to not only pick but CHANGE my graphics card. Apple flat out SUCKS with their complete lack of GPU selection. It's slightly tolerable on laptops, but inexcusable on desktops to have NOT ONE that lets you pick or change your graphic card.

 

Hate to burst your bubble but I don't think this will happen -- ever again. Back in the day of the Iici/IIcx the ci was typically a > $5000.00 USD investment every 1.5 years.

 

I am a developer and at that time I was buying a new Mac about every other release and even with the generous discounts for developers (which paid another $1500/year/person for the ability to join). It was damned expensive.

 

Now I buy an iMac every 5 years or so (a BTO maxed out on graphics, processor, screen size etc.) and it works for me at about $3000.00 every 5 years. I don't have to worry about the complications that come from supporting machines that have all sorts of stuff plugged in with drvrs and inits that make the System less stable. I have not yet run into a problem even building 1+ million line projects from the ground up (not daily of course). The typical code, build, run, debug, repeat cycle the processor is waiting on me. True, I am not a big gamer  so I can see where that might be an issue for some I don't think it supports the mini Tower.

 

The Mac Pro is beautiful, it actually cost less that a Iici with a system that would run circles around it (and a 4K monitor to boot). The Mac mini is a nice headless machine and it could use a refresh but I wouldn't expect a faster GPU option for it.

 

IMHO, with so much of the market moving to laptop machines and iPads I just don't see the point from a business point of view for building a mini Tower.

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Ha! And who does that? LOL

 

Many of us do.  In some states, such as Illinois, the annual tax return requires you to enter a payment of "use tax due for internet purchases".  If you don't have your records, you can pay a fixed fee of 0.06% of your adjusted gross income.  The State warns you that they obtain information "from third parties" and perform routine audits (i.e., their computer audits everyone), and assess penalties and interest.  They could easily have credit card records, etc.  

 

I think you are assuming that we all have a state income tax. Those of us in Texas don't Oregon, and Alaska is still paying a dividend I think. AFAIK we are the only ones without a state income tax.


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That's what I'm waiting on.1smile.gif
How long has it been since the last Mini Refresh? I'd love to grab one myself.
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Here’s something radical they could do…

 

Radical: doing the exact same thing that everyone else does, to absolutely no effect, profit, or success.

 

Learn something new every day.

 
 I'd rather have functional than thin, please.

 

So buy the iMac. It’s both.

 
 And the ability to not only pick but CHANGE my graphics card.

 

Did you just wake up from a 17 year coma?

 
…but inexcusable on desktops to have NOT ONE that lets you pick or change your graphic card. 

 

Or, you know, maybe you just don’t get it. Buy a late model Mac Pro if you want swappable GPUs.

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Really? You feel that honesty and ethics are worthy of your scorn and ridicule?

 

The irony is that your post says much more about YOU than him!

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Here's a thought.  Apple could update the Mac mini with a Haswell chip while waiting for Intel to get their proverbial Broadwell shit together.

 

It's irony day on AI today, this one being that your idea is great but it's probably too late! :)

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I have that too in Texas.  But I have to look at myself in the mirror, and I have to teach my kids that stealing is wrong- even if it's from an insitution I think over-taxes me as it is.  But that's the "burden" I bear by living in America.  If you're cool teaching your kids to cheat and steal (yes, even a "little" stealing is still stealing), by all means- do it.  That's on you.  Me?  The $500 a year I save on internet sales taxes isn't worth the damage to my character.

 

I find it interesting that with all the recent events, people still accept the idea the government owns everything.

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How long has it been since the last Mini Refresh? I'd love to grab one myself.

I know the answer to that, because the topic came up last night and I looked it up.

 

As of today, it'll be 609 days.:)

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