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Rumor: New backlight component will enable Apple to maker thinner, lighter 'iPhone 6'

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Apple's anticipated next-generation iPhone may use only one brightness enhancement film for its display, a change that could enable the company to reduce the size of the LCD component in the handset and create the thinnest and lightest iPhone to date.




While Apple is said to currently use two brightness enhancement films for the Retina display found in the iPhone 5s, the company may have found a way to reduce the screen to just one such film, according to China Times. The switch will reportedly result in a thinner and lighter design, but will also allegedly make manufacturing more difficult.

As a result, Apple will be taking on more suppliers to beef up capacity and help to ensure availability, according to the report, which was first spotted by G for Games. While Miebea was previously supplying backlight enhancement films to Apple, it's been said that OMRON and Radiant will join as suppliers for the "iPhone 6" display.

For months, rumors have consistently claimed that Apple is planning to launch two new iPhones this year, with display sizes of 4.7 inches and 5.5 inches. Both would be an increase from the 4-inch form factor of the iPhone 5s, iPhone 5c, and iPhone 5, which were already a bump up from the 3.5-inch display found on the iPhone 4S and its predecessors.

The next iPhone is expected to be about as thick as a current iPod touch, which measures just 6.1 millimeters. For comparison, the current iPhone 5s is 7.6 millimeters thick.

The next iPhone is expected to be a complete redesign, justifying the new number in the model, with rounded edges much like the iPod touch. Mockups claiming to show the design of Apple's "iPhone 6" also suggest that the lock button on the device has been moved to the upper right side of the handset, while the volume buttons are expected to be "pill" shaped instead of circles.

If Apple follows its recent release pattern, as is expected, then the next iPhone should be unveiled sometime in September and would launch the following Friday. It's likely that iOS 8 would become available to the public around that same time.
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Interesting, as far we know we could see a thin beutiful iPhone.
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HOLD THE PHONE. Shut up that's a great joke and it wasn't even on purpose

 

The next iPhone will be thinner... and LIGHTER?!

 

THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED.

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post #4 of 47
All perfectly good news... I doubt we will hwar about the top secret features or battery life till later.

Anyone else prefer to stay the same thickness and add more battery life?
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Eventually, somewhere around iPhone 15 or 16, it will probably end up being as thin as a piece of paper. I wonder where the cut off point is, and at what point is too thin too much of a good thing, even if the tech is available to make it crazy thin?

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Eventually, somewhere around iPhone 15 or 16, it will probably end up being as thin as a piece of paper. I wonder where the cut off point is, and at what point is too thin too much of a good thing, even if the tech is available to make it crazy thin?

The iPhone 15 will be shaped exactly like a piece of paper: razor thin and too big to hold in one hand. Because screen size one-upsmanship has no theoretical boundary.

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Thin and light might be important to other people but I just want an iPhone where I don't have to buy a battery case to use it all day long for a change. By around 4PM my iPhone's internal battery is drained and it switches to the battery case battery for power. In many cases I do not have an electrical source for a charger so had to get a battery case which adds a lot of bulk and weight. But I am actually used to it now and sort of prefer that heft as it is harder to drop. 

 

I am curious how the display on the iPhone 6 will compare with the Samdung S5 display. We can all find tons of faults with the S5 but one thing they got right was the display. It really is a very beautiful display and even does well outdoors in sunlight which was the one area it had failed on previous models. I wonder if Apple will be able to surpass them with the iPhone 6 display. 

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"Eventually, somewhere around iPhone 15 or 16, it will probably end up being as thin as a piece of paper. I wonder where the cut off point is, and at what point is too thin too much of a good thing, even if the tech is available to make it crazy thin?"

I think somewhere around the thickness of a credit card (perhaps two), beneath that there is little practical value.
And being flexible would be nice too

Yes that seems fanciful and unrealistic, but so would have the current iPhone 5, back in the day of the original iPhone.
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In many cases I do not have an electrical source for a charger so had to get a battery case which adds a lot of bulk and weight.

You're not anywhere near outlet or a vehicle or a charger all day every day? If so, you realize that puts you quite a bit out of the mainstream, right?
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You're not anywhere near outlet or a vehicle or a charger all day every day? If so, you realize that puts you quite a bit out of the mainstream, right?
That's besides the point. A high end smartphone should be able to last a full day on a single charge with normal use. My HTC phone can do this easily and it came out over 2 years ago.
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It won't be probably the thinnest smartphone on the planet as that is 5,5 mm and lower. But those phones are low end crap with smallish batteries and if we look at the best of the best android phones, like the galaxy (8,2 mm) G3 (8,9 mm) Z2 (8,1 mm) or oppo find 7 (9,2 mm), they are hardly approaching the thinnes of almost 2 years old iPhone 5 despite drastically bigger diagonal (it's generally easier to make a bigger device thinner). With iPhone 6 Apple will shave off a lot of thickness (my bet is exactly 6 mm or at least 6,66 1wink.gif and as I told before maybe not the thinnest of the thinnest, but the world thinnest superphone by far.
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Anyone have an idea how thick such a layer is?
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You're not anywhere near outlet or a vehicle or a charger all day every day? If so, you realize that puts you quite a bit out of the mainstream, right?

Hardly. Construction workers, hospital workers that do not want to leave their phone plugged in an outlet because they are walking all over the hospital and want to have it with them, lawyers in court all day, employees who do not have an outlet anywhere near them,  anyone working outdoors. It is a lot more people than you think. Not everyone sits in an office or cubicle with an outlet where you can charge your phone for an extended time. There are a lot of people that simply either do not have access to a charger or will not be near that outlet long enough to do much good. Apple used to be among the best at battery life but have allowed other companies to best them recently. I simply was saying that I hope Apple can retake the lead with battery usage again. I realize that the only reason the galaxy S5 wins that battle is because it uses a 2800 mAh battery vs. only a 1560 mAh battery in the 5s so for Apple to even get close it actually has won but ITRW the S5 lasts longer with actual use. Now that the iPhone 6 will be larger maybe we will also get a battery around 2500 mAh possibly which should give us far longer battery life even with a larger display. 

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Anyone have an idea how thick such a layer is?


Thinner than a stander, at least.

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That's besides the point. A high end smartphone should be able to last a full day on a single charge with normal use. My HTC phone can do this easily and it came out over 2 years ago.

Exactly. We shouldn't need to have to find an outlet or a car charger for normal use. A modern smart phone should last all day long under normal use and it doesn't because of the 1560 mAh battery which is really really small. It is amazing that it lasts as long as it does though considering batteries in Android phones are nearly twice that. I think with a larger iPhone 6 the battery should increase to a more reasonable size of around 2500 mAh. 

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Thinner than a stander, at least.

Pardon me for breathing* which I don't do anyway so I don't know why I bother to mention it all.... What's a stander?

*actually pardon me for being German 1wink.gif
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Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane View Post
*actually pardon me for being German.1wink.gif

 

Oh, sorry. (no, that's not what I mean)

 

Layer, a thickness of a material and "layer", or "someone who lays down" (as in lay and the suffix -er) vs. stander, "someone who stands up".

 

I get a real kick out of this kind of humor, even though it doesn't often translate with cognates. Heck, I love it in other languages. In Japanese, "[he/she]'s really into making shoulder massage tickets" can also be read "My shoulders tense up at the sight of this shoulder massage ticket."

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DroidFTW:
"That's besides the point. A high end smartphone should be able to last a full day on a single charge with normal use. My HTC phone can do this easily and it came out over 2 years ago."

Your statement is a terrible distortion. First I normally (easily) get a day out of my iPhone (5). If you play a lot of games or are constantly on the phone you may need to bump the charge during the day (and the 5 takes a "bump" charge -quickly-)
On the other part of your statement Android phones are notoriously bad on battery consumption. The only way your unnamed HTC could have better runtime than an iPhone (given similar configuration and use) is if it were double the size (to accommodate huge batteries necessary for the power sucking android operating system).
If you want to carry a brick around in your pocket fine (you and the other few dozen people who feel that way can), knock yourself(s) out, but the rest of the world wants thin and lightweight phones that can be easily pocketed and forgotten until they are needed.
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The switch will reportedly result in a thinner and lighter design, but will also allegedly make manufacturing more difficult.
Yay for yield issues just like every release.
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DroidFTW:
"That's besides the point. A high end smartphone should be able to last a full day on a single charge with normal use. My HTC phone can do this easily and it came out over 2 years ago."

Your statement is a terrible distortion. First I normally (easily) get a day out of my iPhone (5). If you play a lot of games or are constantly on the phone you may need to bump the charge during the day (and the 5 takes a "bump" charge -quickly-)
On the other part of your statement Android phones are notoriously bad on battery consumption. The only way your unnamed HTC could have better runtime than an iPhone (given similar configuration and use) is if it were double the size (to accommodate huge batteries necessary for the power sucking android operating system).
If you want to carry a brick around in your pocket fine (you and the other few dozen people who feel that way can), knock yourself(s) out, but the rest of the world wants thin and lightweight phones that can be easily pocketed and forgotten until they are needed.

 

 

iphone does not have the best battery life anymore.  

 

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Oh, sorry. (no, that's not what I mean)

Layer, a thickness of a material and "layer", or "someone who lays down" (as in lay and the suffix -er) vs. stander, "someone who stands up".

I get a real kick out of this kind of humor, even though it doesn't often translate with cognates. Heck, I love it in other languages. In Japanese, "[he/she]'s really into making shoulder massage tickets" can also be read "My shoulders tense up at the sight of this shoulder massage ticket."

Thumbs up! Danke.

OT: translations can really get funny: in HHGTTG in German they translate the strong Brownian motion generator "a hot cup of tea" by "a glass of cold beer". Sigh. They tried.
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iphone does not have the best battery life anymore.  

 

Yeah, and look at the size difference between the Huwai, which is all the way to the left on the picture, compared to an iPhone 5c, which is all the way to the right on the picture.:lol:

 

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DroidFTW:
"That's besides the point. A high end smartphone should be able to last a full day on a single charge with normal use. My HTC phone can do this easily and it came out over 2 years ago."

Your statement is a terrible distortion. First I normally (easily) get a day out of my iPhone (5). If you play a lot of games or are constantly on the phone you may need to bump the charge during the day (and the 5 takes a "bump" charge -quickly-)
On the other part of your statement Android phones are notoriously bad on battery consumption. The only way your unnamed HTC could have better runtime than an iPhone (given similar configuration and use) is if it were double the size (to accommodate huge batteries necessary for the power sucking android operating system).
If you want to carry a brick around in your pocket fine (you and the other few dozen people who feel that way can), knock yourself(s) out, but the rest of the world wants thin and lightweight phones that can be easily pocketed and forgotten until they are needed.

I have a 5s and don't play games during the day but do use other types of apps that use heavy data usage. I have found that a battery case is a much easier option than trying to find outlets to "bump the charge" as you say. I am not around an outlet long enough to wait for that and plus that is far more inconvenient to me at least than having a slightly heavier case. In reality my battery case doesn't make my iPhone much heavier than one in an otter case or similar and those don't extend the battery. Glad your usage works for you but please understand you do not represent all of us. I want an iPhone to include a battery larger than 1560 mAh and I want it to last all day under normal usage. 

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Hardly. Construction workers, hospital workers that do not want to leave their phone plugged in an outlet because they are walking all over the hospital and want to have it with them, lawyers in court all day, employees who do not have an outlet anywhere near them,  anyone working outdoors. It is a lot more people than you think. Not everyone sits in an office or cubicle with an outlet where you can charge your phone for an extended time. There are a lot of people that simply either do not have access to a charger or will not be near that outlet long enough to do much good. Apple used to be among the best at battery life but have allowed other companies to best them recently. I simply was saying that I hope Apple can retake the lead with battery usage again. I realize that the only reason the galaxy S5 wins that battle is because it uses a 2800 mAh battery vs. only a 1560 mAh battery in the 5s so for Apple to even get close it actually has won but ITRW the S5 lasts longer with actual use. Now that the iPhone 6 will be larger maybe we will also get a battery around 2500 mAh possibly which should give us far longer battery life even with a larger display. 

Some people  think longer battery life is "innovation" and forgot the size of the battery. The difficulty is to make a thinner phone without sacrificing battery life. That's Apple design philosophy. 

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Some people  think longer battery life is "innovation" and forgot the size of the battery. The difficulty is to make a thinner phone without sacrificing battery life. That's Apple design philosophy. 

 

I hope they go beyond simply maintaining battery life and instead manage to extend battery life by 2 or 3 or even more hours over the 5s. With an additional 2 hours I could likely forego a battery case for my iPhone 6 for the first time ever. 

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iphone does not have the best battery life anymore.  

 

LOL...look at the battery size, my friend...your chart is like to compare a Truck with a small size sedan...oh yeah my truck can go for 500 miles without refueling while your small car can go only up to 300 miles...


Edited by fallenjt - 6/30/14 at 12:14pm

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Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane View Post
OT: translations can really get funny: in HHGTTG in German they translate the strong Brownian motion generator "a hot cup of tea" by "a glass of cold beer". Sigh. They tried.

 

Well, they wanted to make it relatable. :lol:

 

What did they do for the "fairy cake" part in the sequel? And did they leave in the cricket references or did they rewrite the whole thing to talk about Brockian Ultra-Soccer? :p Oh, and don't forget the planet Sokker, home to the omnicidal Masters of Sokker. 

 

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iphone does not have the best battery life anymore.  

 

How about an actual comparison? Phones of the same screen size. Phones of the same battery capacity. Phones of the same capabilities.

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Just_Me:
"iphone does not have the best battery life anymore."
(chart showing HTC M8 with just ~20% better battery life)

Even if I take those (dubious) figures at face value, you are making my case for me:
The HTC M8 is nearly twice the size; at 96613 cubic mm (HxWxD) vs 55135 cu-mm for the iPhone 5, and it 50% heavier at 160g vs 112g for the iPhone 5.
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Just imagine how thin Mophie can make their Juice Packs!

LOL
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"allegedly make manufacturing more difficult."

 

Nooooooooooooooooo!!

 

This kind of s*** always happens, and It's death for AAPL stock. :grumble: 

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iPhone 6 may not be thinner if the curved edge screen rumor today from Nikke actually is true. See new purported picture and judge for yourself:

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Some people  think longer battery life is "innovation" and forgot the size of the battery. The difficulty is to make a thinner phone without sacrificing battery life. That's Apple design philosophy. 

 

Actually Apple is quite famous for function before form, although their form usually rocks too.  In gwmacs case the function of the battery is not adequate.  If they kept the inadequate battery in order to make it thinner that wouldn't be very Apple.  Better to make it the same thickness and have adequate battery life.  If gwmac is the exception and most iPhone users are happy with battery life, that's a different story.

 

That said I doubt either of you have anything to worry about, I think Apple will pull off both.  Once the phone goes comfortably beyond a full days usage, battery life starts to become a non-issue and it is a nice problem to forget about.

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I have a 5s and don't play games during the day but do use other types of apps that use heavy data usage. I have found that a battery case is a much easier option than trying to find outlets to "bump the charge" as you say. I am not around an outlet long enough to wait for that and plus that is far more inconvenient to me at least than having a slightly heavier case. In reality my battery case doesn't make my iPhone much heavier than one in an otter case or similar and those don't extend the battery. Glad your usage works for you but please understand you do not represent all of us. I want an iPhone to include a battery larger than 1560 mAh and I want it to last all day under normal usage. 

 

I hear ya... but I think most all iPhone 5 users can and do get through the day just fine (on a single charge) and appreciate the svelte dimensions and light weight of the iPhone 5.

For the minority (who can't make it through the day on a charge) I would think most spend a half hour sitting somewhere (car, eating lunch, doing paperwork, etc) for the ones who can't (such as yourself) a battery backpack is a reasonable and viable option to lengthen runtime.

However, you need to realize that people in your particular situation are likely a very very small percentage of iPhone owners. To cripple the phone (by making it a bulky & heavy, like android phones) for a minority of users (who's problem can be solved by add on battery packs) just doesn't make sense.

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iPhone 6 may not be thinner if the curved edge screen rumor today from Nikke actually is true. See new purported picture and judge for yourself:

 

 

Thing is, the images show a flat screen and curved frame.

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Eventually, somewhere around iPhone 15 or 16, it will probably end up being as thin as a piece of paper. I wonder where the cut off point is, and at what point is too thin too much of a good thing, even if the tech is available to make it crazy thin?

The cut-off point is when it becomes too thin to be practical.
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DroidFTW:

"That's besides the point. A high end smartphone should be able to last a full day on a single charge with normal use. My HTC phone can do this easily and it came out over 2 years ago."


Your statement is a terrible distortion. First I normally (easily) get a day out of my iPhone (5). If you play a lot of games or are constantly on the phone you may need to bump the charge during the day (and the 5 takes a "bump" charge -quickly-)

On the other part of your statement Android phones are notoriously bad on battery consumption. The only way your unnamed HTC could have better runtime than an iPhone (given similar configuration and use) is if it were double the size (to accommodate huge batteries necessary for the power sucking android operating system).

If you want to carry a brick around in your pocket fine (you and the other few dozen people who feel that way can), knock yourself(s) out, but the rest of the world wants thin and lightweight phones that can be easily pocketed and forgotten until they are needed.


iphone does not have the best battery life anymore.  



The Ascend Mate 2 weighs roughly twice as much as an iPhone 5s. I am pretty sure if I added a battery case to a 5S I would come out way ahead in battery life and functionality.
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HOLD THE PHONE. Shut up that's a great joke and it wasn't even on purpose

The next iPhone will be thinner... and LIGHTER?!

THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED.

About time.
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The Ascend Mate 2 weighs roughly twice as much as an iPhone 5s. I am pretty sure if I added a battery case to a 5S I would come out way ahead in battery life and functionality.

You would be right. My 5s has a 1560 mAh battery and my battery case has a 2300 mAh battery for a total of 3860 mAh which more than doubles the battery life. Even under the heaviest of usages my iPhone is still usually going strong from early morning till very late at night. 

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"allegedly make manufacturing more difficult."

Nooooooooooooooooo!!

This kind of s*** always happens, and It's death for AAPL stock. irked.gif  

You're welcome to warp reality.
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Eventually, somewhere around iPhone 15 or 16, it will probably end up being as thin as a piece of paper. I wonder where the cut off point is, and at what point is too thin too much of a good thing, even if the tech is available to make it crazy thin?

Eventually Apple will be able to embed the phone in your skull cavity. There are always two directions with electronics as processes shrink. One the hardware becomes more powerful or two it becomes more efficient. Of course there is a middle path where they meld the two to deliver both power and efficiency.

I often laugh to my self when I see people posting about iPhone being powerful enough already. Too me that is baloney, anybody with a little imagination knows that the possibilities are boundless for these sorts of devices.

As for Apple im expecting to see a lot of new hardware from them in the coming years. By hardware I mean semiconductors tailored made to address different needs. In the end Apple needs to address a wider array of user needs with iOS devices.
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