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My theory on why PC people are so hung up on MHz.

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Mac people know full well that Macintosh computers (iMac and PowerMac) are behind the curve when it comes to bus speed, memory type and CPU clock speed. They don't need to be told that every time they come into contact with a PC user.

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days and my theory why they keep harping on their superior clock speed is... ready for this... they have nothing else to look forward to.

Thats right. They have nothing to look forward to when it comes to a cool box. They have nothing to look forward to when it comes to a cool OS. They have nothing to look forward to when it comes to cool Microsoft software.

I've never known anyone who was happy to use Windows. Most people actually are indifferent to it. Since when have you seen anyone brag about how much fun using Windows is? I use Windows every day and I certainly don't feel all warm and fuzzy about it. I'm grateful the thing didn't loose its mind after I install a new application.

I've never known anyone who couldn't wait to get their next Toshiba or Dell. I own a Dell Dimension. Am I chomping at the bit to find out what cool new PC Dell is coming out with next month. I couldn't care less! People see x86 machines as just another 'thing' they have to use.

Software? Most stuff found in the PC world has an equivalent in the Mac world. You won't find cool stuff like iPhoto, iDVD or iMovie in the PC world; only cheap 'me-too' products from the likes of Microsoft or whoever.

They can't brag about how they don't get any virii. My Windows 2000 informs me every two weeks (2 WEEKS!) that there's a new critical update at Microsoft. Having my car dealer replace my brakes for free every month is kinda nice, but what else if wrong with the fricken thing? That doesn't inspire much confidence.

There's nothing cool anymore in the PC world (if there ever was).

GeForce 4? So what? Macs have those too.
DVD burners? Yeah, us too.

The only thing neat they have are two chip companies trying to kill each other. Thats the only reason why they've got the clock speeds that they have today. Frankly, I'm happier with a computer thats fun to use. I'm happier supporting a company that doesn't lie to judges or get dead people to write to their congressman. I'm happier buying a product from a company which leads the industry with true innovation, not "join us or die" tactics like those other guys.

I don't own a Mac and never have, but I'm seriously sick of the bland and boring industry that is the x86 PC business. I'm sick of the self-destructing Windows. (Not to mention that repackaged Windows 2000 known as WinXP). I'm going to wait and see what comes out of MacWorld New York and then I'm going to place my order for a new PowerMac, whether its a 933MHz G4 or a 1.5GHz G5. Either way, I'm going to LOVE coming home to my new computer and grateful I left the monotony at work.
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Amen.
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My theory is different. Penis envy. PC users have heard that us Mac users are very well endowed and so they need something to brag about.

One flaw in my theory. Women. Maybe Belle can help me out with this. Is there such a thing as Vagina envy?

Am I turning the boards into one big Sex in the City episode?

J :cool:
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My mom had a chrysler sebring convertable. I had a miata. My mom was always going on (jokingly) about how much better and cooler her car was. Her car was a big boat with a small-ish V6 and an automatic. My car had a 5 speed, a high revving 4 cylinder, and handled great, although it was obviously a lot smaller. Her car was recalled 7 times in the span of her 2 year lease. They kept sending more recalls after she traded it in too. Oh well, i guess having a sports car has its advantages .

I guess i have to agree, somewhat. If all you've got is win2k, or XP, the most you can look forward to is rebooting next week after the next service pack, or whatever. Or maybe a new theme to make the big red X to close a window a big green X.

My mac inspires me to create. And it even gives me the tools to do so! iMovie is awesome, even just to screw around with, although sometimes i wish it had a few more features (imovie 3?). When I ran windows, I never wanted to do much with it, but at least when I ran linux i could still 'create' things, even if all i 'created' when i was done was a working computer . Now I don't run windows anywhere, and I only turn on my linux box to make sure it still works.

Also, people tend to fear (and hate) that which they don't understand. They don't understand macs, they don't understand why you'd want to use a mac, and it just goes downhill from there. When i worked in a computer shop, the few rare times someone would drag in an old quadra or something, we'd always crack jokes in the back, but i'm not even sure why. Back then macs were SCSI all the way, when i was still master/slaving IDE hard drives together ...
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I saw a Chrysler K-class car with one of those pissing Calvins (which didn't look like Calvin, but more like the kid from Ugly Kid Joe albums) that had the words 'jap crap' under the urine stream.

I laughed my *** off as I passed the car with my Accord. The irony of that sticker on a car made by one of the worst car companies on earth.

I think that jap crap mentality is similar to the 'pcs or bust' mentality of the consumer market for computers.
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I...I have vagina envy.
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I've learnt that PC people laugh at Mac people essentially because they made a different purchase than they did. My friends here at work know I like Mac over Windows. Earlier today, we were talking about that virus written in C# on the .Net platform. One of them then went off to say that "well at least there aren't any viruses on Macs because there's only 10 Macs in the whole world. The virus jumps from one machine to the next and then 'well, there aren't anymore machines for me to infect so I might as well die' ")

I just kinda grinned and thought "Yeah. Ha, ha... whatever."
I just KNOW they're going to bug me about buying a Mac later this year but I'll just grin and bear it knowing full well that my new Mac WON'T get hit with the latest virus or require the latest service pack.

And they're TECHY guys too. I just know that if they sat down and used one for about an hour, that they'd be impressed. But I also know that they'd never buy one because that would mean they've been wrong all these years.
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[quote]Originally posted by Jamie:
<strong>One flaw in my theory. Women. Maybe Belle can help me out with this. Is there such a thing as Vagina envy?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not that I'm aware of, but there is a variation on penis envy - comparing the sizes of boyfriends' little soldiers.

I can help with your theory, though - girls don't buy computers based on technicalities like MHz, we buy a computer because it compliments our handbag and doesn't clash with our new shoes. Duh.
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[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
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Not that I'm aware of, but there is a variation on penis envy - comparing the sizes of boyfriends' little soldiers.

I can help with your theory, though - girls don't buy computers based on technicalities like MHz, we buy a computer because it compliments our handbag and doesn't clash with our new shoes. Duh. </strong><hr></blockquote>

alot of girls I know are really hung up over their breast size....but I don't know if it goes as far as to compare and judge someone by that
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[quote]Not that I'm aware of, but there is a variation on penis envy - comparing the sizes of boyfriends' little soldiers.<hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> hate to break it to you belle, but it would be damn hard to compare the size of boyfriend's little soldiers. seeing as they are microscopic, and produced in the hundreds of millions a day, it would be quite a task.

and i'm guessing PC people are stuck on Mhz cause you can't be top dog with a 500Mhz machine for a year and a half. it actually changes on the other side of the fence.

thanks moto.

lol, that's probably why PC people are so into overclocking as well. trying to stay at the head of the pack. of course, the x86 crew is running full speed ahead, while PowerPC is stopping to look at the scenery.

-alcimedes
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I remember in early 1999 I was talking about the newly unvieled Yosemites and how it would be nice to have one of them. So this PC kid told me "macs are so crappy that mac users always have to have the latest mac to feel good"

I remember days after the P2 went to 450Mhz, he had to upgrade his 300MHz PC.
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Mac people know full well that Macintosh computers (iMac and PowerMac) are behind the curve when it comes to bus speed, memory type and CPU clock speed. They don't need to be told that every time they come into contact with a PC user.

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days and my theory why they keep harping on their superior clock speed is... ready for this... they have nothing else to look forward to.<hr></blockquote>

:confused:

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Thats right. They have nothing to look forward to when it comes to a cool box. <hr></blockquote>

I Have an Antec SX1035B, it's better looking than anything put out by Apple IMO.

[quote]They have nothing to look forward to when it comes to a cool OS.<hr></blockquote>

you mean, like 2000 and XP. They roX0R! I'm doing handsprings while I type! Whoohoo!

[quote]They have nothing to look forward to when it comes to cool Microsoft software.<hr></blockquote>

you mean like VS.NET, CFS3, etc? (note: edited .Net statement)

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I've never known anyone who was happy to use Windows.<hr></blockquote>

See my comment on handsprings. I am very happy, See?

[quote]Most people actually are indifferent to it. <hr></blockquote>

Probably Me/9x users.

[quote]Since when have you seen anyone brag about how much fun using Windows is?<hr></blockquote>

This post of mine for example? Or you could try a gamers forum, they tend to have fun with even Me.

[quote]I use Windows every day and I certainly don't feel all warm and fuzzy about it.<hr></blockquote>

If you feel this way over an Operating System, I would recommend councilling.

[quote]I'm grateful the thing didn't loose its mind after I install a new application.<hr></blockquote>

huh?

[quote]I've never known anyone who couldn't wait to get their next Toshiba or Dell.<hr></blockquote>

Try <a href="http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=48409524&m=4550934593" target="_blank">this</a> thread for instance, which is just off the top of my head.

[quote]I own a Dell Dimension. Am I chomping at the bit to find out what cool new PC Dell is coming out with next month.<hr></blockquote>

Me niether, but I'm a doityourselfer

[quote]I couldn't care less! People see x86 machines as just another 'thing' they have to use. <hr></blockquote>

Ya know, I could have typed this on my Macintosh "thing" as I didn't have to do it with this Win2000 machine.

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Software? Most stuff found in the PC world has an equivalent in the Mac world. You won't find cool stuff like iPhoto, iDVD or iMovie in the PC world; only cheap 'me-too' products from the likes of Microsoft or whoever.<hr></blockquote>

Have you looked or tried them?

[quote]They can't brag about how they don't get any virii.<hr></blockquote>

I can brag about this.

[quote]My Windows 2000 informs me every two weeks (2 WEEKS!) that there's a new critical update at Microsoft. Having my car dealer replace my brakes for free every month is kinda nice, but what else if wrong with the fricken thing? That doesn't inspire much confidence.<hr></blockquote>

Even without these updates, I've had few problems. To me, it's fairly telling of Microsofts intent to properly support and improve it's product without charging for updates.

[quote]There's nothing cool anymore in the PC world (if there ever was).<hr></blockquote>

Bollocks.

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GeForce 4? So what? Macs have those too.
DVD burners? Yeah, us too.
<hr></blockquote>

So?

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The only thing neat they have are two chip companies trying to kill each other.<hr></blockquote>

Yes, competition is a very bad thing. Very bad indeed.

[quote]Thats the only reason why they've got the clock speeds that they have today.<hr></blockquote>

Funny, I though we just concluded that competition was bad?

[quote]Frankly, I'm happier with a computer thats fun to use. I'm happier supporting a company that doesn't lie to judges or get dead people to write to their congressman. <hr></blockquote>

I'd rather MS didn't lie, but never heard about dead people. Anyway, I'd prefer supporting a company that didn't use the image of a recently decessed Celebrity as a marketing ploy on their website to link sympathy towards him to their product. I'd also rather that it didn't deceive people with bakeoffs and such.

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I'm happier buying a product from a company which leads the industry with true innovation,<hr></blockquote>

And you would support Apple? I dont see the connection here.

[quote] not "join us or die" tactics like those other guys.<hr></blockquote>

Do you have proof of these allegations of death threats?

[quote]
I don't own a Mac and never have, but I'm seriously sick of the bland and boring industry that is the x86 PC business. I'm sick of the self-destructing Windows. (Not to mention that repackaged Windows 2000 known as WinXP). I'm going to wait and see what comes out of MacWorld New York and then I'm going to place my order for a new PowerMac, whether its a 933MHz G4 or a 1.5GHz G5. Either way, I'm going to LOVE coming home to my new computer and grateful I left the monotony at work.<hr></blockquote>

I think you are mistaken about a great many things, but do whatever floats yer boat.

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[quote]I've learnt that PC people laugh at Mac people essentially because they made a different purchase than they did.<hr></blockquote>

True, I give Mac Users a hard time, but I give everyone a hard time. At least if you're a mac user you would know what I'd tease you about. If not, I may have to make up something odd and interesting and bug you about it whether or not it was true.

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You still have a small dick though? Right?

J
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[quote]I Have an Antec SX1035B, it's better looking than anything put out by Apple IMO.<hr></blockquote>



vs



and you think that first piece of crap is better than anything apple has ever done?

what the hell are you smoking? seriously? my performa 6360 is a better design than that piece of ****

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[quote]Originally posted by johnsonfromwisconsin:
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I Have an Antec SX1035B, it's better looking than anything put out by Apple IMO.

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In the words of you: "whatever floats yer boat."

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Hahaha! What is it they say about great minds applenut?
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Is the johnson trying to say that Apple put up pictures of George Harrison, after he died, so that people would associate their sadness with Apple and buy a Mac - just because they put up a picture of a cool guy who's music was probably appreciated by the people who work at Apple?

Sheesh that's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. People buying a Mac just because Apple put up a tribute picture of Harrison. har har

What a twisted (not in a cool way) perspective.

If that worked, Dell would have a constantly updated Obit right on their front page.

People buying a Mac because George Harrison died... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by seb:
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If that worked, Dell would have a constantly updated Obit right on their front page.

People buying a Mac because George Harrison died... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey I'd buy a Dell if they killed the dude from the ads.

J
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[quote]what the hell are you smoking? seriously? my performa 6360 is a better design than that piece of ****<hr></blockquote>

Umm. No. The Antec SX1030/1040 series is one of the best cases out there for the money. Great expansion, great cooling, good construction, and a very reasonable price. I think the Antec looks just as good as the Quicksilver. Plus, it will hold 4 fans, 4 CDROMs, and then about 6 or so hard drives. All powered by a quality 350W Antec PSU.

It is not crap. Far from it. So it doesn't have handles. Oh no.
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[quote]what the hell are you smoking? seriously? my performa 6360 is a better design than that piece of ****<hr></blockquote>

Umm. No. The Antec SX1030/1040 series is one of the best cases out there for the money. Great expansion, great cooling, good construction, and a very reasonable price. I think the Antec looks just as good as the Quicksilver. Plus, it will hold 4 fans, 4 CDROMs, and then about 6 or so hard drives. All powered by a quality 350W Antec PSU.

It is not crap. Far from it. So it doesn't have handles. Oh no.
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[quote]Originally posted by radar1503:
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Umm. No. The Antec SX1030/1040 series is one of the best cases out there for the money. Great expansion, great cooling, good construction, and a very reasonable price. I think the Antec looks just as good as the Quicksilver. Plus, it will hold 4 fans, 4 CDROMs, and then about 6 or so hard drives. All powered by a quality 350W Antec PSU.

It is not crap. Far from it. So it doesn't have handles. Oh no. </strong><hr></blockquote>


because we all need 4 CD-ROM drives built-in to our towers


must admit, that fan advantage sure has me jealous though


BTW, PowerMac can theoretically have 6 hard drives as well. I would also like to know why you question the quality of Apple's power supply?

if you think it looks as good than you have horrible taste and low standards.
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[quote]Sheesh that's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. People buying a Mac just because Apple put up a tribute picture of Harrison. har har
<hr></blockquote>

You're right, it was a dumb manuever on Apple's part



applenut said:

[quote]because we all need 4 CD-ROM drives built-in to our towers<hr></blockquote>

Some of us may.

[quote]BTW, PowerMac can theoretically have 6 hard drives as well. <hr></blockquote>

Mine could have like a dozen then.

[quote]if you think it looks as good than you have horrible taste and low standards.
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I know you do, but what do I?
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[quote]because we all need 4 CD-ROM drives built-in to our towers<hr></blockquote>

No. My point was more that it has 4 5.25" external bays. That could be a CDRW drive, a DVD drive, an Audigy drive, and a Rheobus, temp readout display, whatever you want. The flexibility is there. No matter how much you argue, a good amount of expansion is a good thing.


[quote]must admit, that fan advantage sure has me jealous though <hr></blockquote>

It's a design feature. It allows for 4 case fans out of the box. So if you load it up with a ton of crap, you can add fans to make sure it runs nicely. Or you can overclock more.


[quote]BTW, PowerMac can theoretically have 6 hard drives as well. <hr></blockquote>

If you add an extra HD bracket. Out of the box, it supports 5. From Apple's site:

Support for up to two internal ATA drives
Support for up to three internal SCSI drives
Support for a combination of internal SCSI and ATA drives


[quote]I would also like to know why you question the quality of Apple's power supply?<hr></blockquote>

Could you please point out where I do? I don't recall doing that. My point that I have been trying to prove is that the Antec SX1035 is not a crap case. Not that the G4 case is bad (there are still some things I wish it had though).

[quote]if you think it looks as good than you have horrible taste and low standards.<hr></blockquote>

You have an opinion, I have mine. We don't have to agree..."beauty is in the eye of the beholder" after all. The SX1035B represents solid design, quality construction, and great functionality for the price. Beautiful? No. A good case? Definately.
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by far the coolest looking PC case out there. also holds a buttload of hardware.

<a href="http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-124-011-01.JPG/11-124-011-02.JPG/11-124-011-03.JPG/11-124-011-04.JPG/11-124-011-05.JPG/11-124-011-06.JPG/11-124-011-07.JPG/11-124-011-08.JPG/11-124-011-09.JPG/11-124-011-10.JPG" target="_blank">Enermax CS-5190AL</a>

too bad it's just a bit pricey.
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[quote]Try this thread for instance, which is just off the top of my head.
arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=48409524&m=4550934593<hr></blockquote>

Ha! Good counter.

[quote]Even without these updates, I've had few problems. To me, it's fairly telling of Microsofts intent to properly support and improve it's product without charging for updates. <hr></blockquote>

OH! Now you're joking right? Next you're going to tell me they love to innovate. The truth is MS only 'innovates' when its in their best interest.

[quote]you mean like VS.NET, CFS3, etc? (note: edited .Net statement)<hr></blockquote>
You mean like this?
<a href="http://techupdate.cnet.com/i/itu/cs-stories/kane.html?tag=st.jp.txt.cnsl.lp" target="_blank">Oops! Security flaw found in VS.Net</a>

[quote]Yes, competition is a very bad thing. Very bad indeed.<hr></blockquote>

So believes Microsoft.
Check this out...
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/2220.html" target="_blank">Make people use Explorer - Gates email</a>

[quote]I'd rather MS didn't lie, but never heard about dead people. <hr></blockquote>

How about this?
<a href="http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article/0,,3_871631,00.html" target="_blank">Microsoft Supported by Dead People </a>
or how about this one?
<a href="http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/169355.html" target="_blank">Dead People, Fake Letters, Support Microsoft - Report</a>

[quote]Do you have proof of these allegations of death threats?<hr></blockquote>
Figure of speech I guess. The point is you do business Microsoft's way or its the highway.

[quote]I think you are mistaken about a great many things, but do whatever floats yer boat<hr></blockquote>

Why don't you educate me.

The fact is Microsoft has been found guilty of being an illegal monopolist. The only reason why IE is in use by so many people today is because MS bolted it onto Windows. IE would never have been so dominant if it had competed on its own merits. Microsoft is almost as good at coding systems and security as they are at doctoring phoney video evidence. Oops, they screwed that up too.
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/2614.html" target="_blank">MS screws-up video remake, and admits it wasn't real anyway</a>
I don't understand why people continue to support a company like this.

Enough of the arguing. Its great that you like your computer. Most Windows users (who aren't x86 hobbists) aren't as happy with their kits as you are. I used to be big into building my own computers too. I used to love tinkering with the OS and making it sleaker and more performing. But years of bugs, patches, broken promises and corporate dishonesty has left a bitter taste in my mouth. I always hated seeing a better product go by the wayside because MS weaseled their way into the corporate pocketbook by bundling and aggressive contractual bullying.

Now with Mac OSX and Apple, its like back to 1988 all over again. Everything about computers is new and fun to explore.

Its true that Apple has done its own screwing around with customers, but I certainly trust Steve Jobs a hell of alot more than I trust Bill Gates.

PS: How's that latest service pack doing for ya?

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lol, can't agree with you on that case alcimedes. I hate the up-angled front bezel. Ewww.

If I had a butt-load of money I'd buy either this:



Or this:




Lian-Lis are really nice too but they look kinda weird in the mid tower form. Kind of fat.
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[quote]Enough of the arguing.[/QUOTE}

You were never arguing, you are just spewing.

[QUOTE]You mean like this?
Oops! Security flaw found in VS.Net <hr></blockquote>

No software is perfect, no OS is perfect. Perhaps if Apple and OSX held any significant corperate marketshare it would have it's security flaws more often exposed.

Security by Obscurity isn't really security at all is it?

[quote]How about this?
Microsoft Supported by Dead People
or how about this one?
Dead People, Fake Letters, Support Microsoft - Report
<hr></blockquote>

So Apple and MS have wrongfully abused dead people. It's not that I think MS is up for sainthood, but I just like to point out the hypocracy of people who think Apple can do no wrong.

[quote]So believes Microsoft.
Check this out...
Make people use Explorer - Gates email
<hr></blockquote>

Switching topics from CPU's to Browsers?

incredable.

[quote]Most Windows users (who aren't x86 hobbists) aren't as happy with their kits as you are.<hr></blockquote>

Hmm, you must not know too many windows users.

[quote]PS: How's that latest service pack doing for ya?
<hr></blockquote>

Just fine thank you, I apply these updates just as a precaution as I have never really noticed any of these bugs these things are meant to fix.

how's yer latest update to OSX? Did you get the latest version that allows you to Burn CDRs and DVDs? there has been an update that allows you to do such you know. did Apple charge you for this update that fixed what should have been both free and working when OSX shipped?

sorry to hear that. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by mclaugd1:
<strong>Mac people know full well that Macintosh computers (iMac and PowerMac) are behind the curve when it comes to bus speed, memory type and CPU clock speed. They don't need to be told that every time they come into contact with a PC user.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Unfortunately, far too many mac users (on this forum) are also becoming too MHz obsessed.

I suppose it's a natural reaction when PC users spew MHz numbers in our faces. I usually just show them what I've done on the Mac and how easily it was done.
They usually shut up once they've seen OSX, and all the iApps.
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[quote]No software is perfect, no OS is perfect. Perhaps if Apple and OSX held any significant corperate marketshare it would have it's security flaws more often exposed.

Security by Obscurity isn't really security at all is it?
<hr></blockquote>

so you're saying that as far as anyone knows, OSX is secure, and winXX isn't? and what's your point? so because something isn't as popular it can't be secure? dude, that arguement is lame. as far as anyone knows it's pretty damn secure, much more so than windows. you imply it's due to it's not being as popular, but that's an opinion, not a fact. the fact is that there are few known security issues in OSX, and hundreds in winXX.


[quote]So Apple and MS have wrongfully abused dead people. It's not that I think MS is up for sainthood, but I just like to point out the hypocracy of people who think Apple can do no wrong.<hr></blockquote>

lol, you can't see the difference between using a person as a spokesmodel for your product and writing false letters of support? in one case, you have a person who's known as creative, and they are used as an example of what the mac stands for. in the other case, you have a letter supposedly written by someone, signed by them saying they support a company and their practices, written to govt. officials. and the person is dead.

many of the living/recently deceased people used in apple's ads are in fact devoted mac users, and lend their name/image with enthusiasm.


[quote]how's yer latest update to OSX? Did you get the latest version that allows you to Burn CDRs and DVDs? there has been an update that allows you to do such you know. did Apple charge you for this update that fixed what should have been both free and working when OSX shipped?

sorry to hear that.

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dude, wtf are you talking about? it was free. i picked up 5 at CompUSA. so could you, or anyone else. any store that sold macs had them. you could pay if you wanted to have them mail you a CD, but that's how it always works. no one sends out cd's for free.
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[quote]I Have an Antec SX1035B, it's better looking than anything put out by Apple IMO.<hr></blockquote>

You mean you have a Uneec case; a case that was dressed up by Antec.

And leave that stupid George Harrison thread where is belongs, in Battlefront. We don't need people like you, Evil_Merlin, Echohead2, Venture and seta making up crap about why Apple put up his picture. Steve loves the Beatles. Steve sung Beatles lyrics during his last keynote. Steve also has enough power to determine what goes on the main page of Apple's website.

Your assertions are shameful.
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[quote]Switching topics from CPU's to Browsers?
incredable.
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I didn't switch topics at all. You're the one who sarcastically brought up the idea that competition was bad. Then I presented proof (from Bill Gate's own mouth) that Microsoft doesn't like competing.

[quote]Hmm, you must not know too many windows users.<hr></blockquote>
I know alot of Windows users. I work in a computer software company among many developers and testers. A handfull of them get hard over Microsoft and Visual Studio (which I would concede is a good development environment) and MFC's (which I would concede is crap). I frequently speak with people from other companies who use MS but don't like it because of all the hassles.

[quote]but I just like to point out the hypocracy of people who think Apple can do no wrong.
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I never said Apple was the boy scout of the industry.

The point of my original post was that Apple users have more to look forward to when it comes to using their computers. Mac users are simply more enthusiastic about their computers. Attendance at both MacWorld and Comdex indicate this as well. Apple, with only 5% market share, is able to draw over 87,000 visitors to MacWorld while Comdex only draws on average 200,000 visitors. The Consumer Electronics Show (CES), with more PC content than ever before, only attracted 100,000 visitors last year. With 95% of the market, why aren't PC users more excited about new announcements? Most likely because everything about PC's is the same, bland stuff day in and day out.

And this whole Apple wrongfully abusing dead people idea is a joke. Amelia Earhart is a woman who 'flew' in the face of opinion when women weren't thought of as pilots. Albert Einstein changed the world of science with his theory of relativity. Picaso was one of the greatest painters of our generation. Ghandi showed the world that violence isn't the only way to exhert change. Apple's whole corporate ideology is to give people the tools to change the world. To not follow the path of least resistance and to definitely question the status quo. Sure some of this was spawned out of marketing and the need to make money, but just look at the products that came out of that company. Few other computer companies have had such a profound effect on the world as Apple. And a company like that, as flawed as it sometimes is, is one that gets my respect.

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[quote]so you're saying that as far as anyone knows, OSX is secure, and winXX isn't? and what's your point? so because something isn't as popular it can't be secure? dude, that arguement is lame. as far as anyone knows it's pretty damn secure, much more so than windows. you imply it's due to it's not being as popular, but that's an opinion, not a fact. the fact is that there are few known security issues in OSX, and hundreds in winXX<hr></blockquote>

Here's two opinions that seem to parallel mine.

<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-269441.html?legacy=cnet" target="_blank">http://news.com.com/2100-1040-269441.html?legacy=cnet</A>

<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr2001/nf2001051_727.htm" target="_blank">http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr2001/nf2001051_727.htm</A>

[quote]many of the living/recently deceased people used in apple's ads are in fact devoted mac users, and lend their name/image with enthusiasm.<hr></blockquote>

you mean like, Albert Einstien?

Eugene Said:

[quote]You mean you have a Uneec case; a case that was dressed up by Antec.<hr></blockquote>

If you mean Chieftech, then yeah. What's the big diff? It's not like Apple makes it's quicksilver cases in-house.

[quote]And leave that stupid George Harrison thread where is belongs, in Battlefront. We don't need people like you, Evil_Merlin, Echohead2, Venture and seta making up crap about why Apple put up his picture.<hr></blockquote>

A) I didn't introduce dead-people to the argument
B) I made nothing up in that it is a solid theory.

Out of respect for you, I won't bring it up again.

[quote]Your assertions are shameful.<hr></blockquote>

interesting you would point out this one assertion of mine as shamefull. Did you see the shamefull assertions in the first post of this thread?

[quote]I didn't switch topics at all. You're the one who sarcastically brought up the idea that competition was bad. Then I presented proof (from Bill Gate's own mouth) that Microsoft doesn't like competing.
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Mclaud:
"The only thing neat they have are two chip companies trying to kill each other."

Me:
"Yes, competition is a very bad thing. Very bad indeed."

Mclaud:
"So believes Microsoft.
Check this out...
Make people use Explorer - Gates email"

that's where the topic switch occured.

[quote]The point of my original post was that Apple users have more to look forward to when it comes to using their computers. Mac users are simply more enthusiastic about their computers. Attendance at both MacWorld and Comdex indicate this as well. Apple, with only 5% market share, is able to draw over 87,000 visitors to MacWorld while Comdex only draws on average 200,000 visitors. The Consumer Electronics Show (CES), with more PC content than ever before, only attracted 100,000 visitors last year. With 95% of the market, why aren't PC users more excited about new announcements? Most likely because everything about PC's is the same, bland stuff day in and day out. <hr></blockquote>

It's not from lack of excitement. The MacWorld mentality is largely derived from an "Us versus Them" type situation. Windows users do indeed appriciate new things, we just don't get our undies in a bunch over them; particularily since most roadmaps are more or less met, we get most of the interesting technology first, and we don't feel we're fighting anyone.

[quote]And this whole Apple wrongfully abusing dead people idea is a joke. Amelia Earhart is a woman who 'flew' in the face of opinion when women weren't thought of as pilots. Albert Einstein changed the world of science with his theory of relativity. Picaso was one of the greatest painters of our generation. Ghandi showed the world that violence isn't the only way to exhert change. <hr></blockquote>

I disagree, it's all about a marketing engine and creating a certain mysique associating one's self with legendary figures.

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This issue of the number and quality of software for Mac vs PC is silly. I have scoured the net in search of software for the PC to do some of the things that my Macintosh could do when I first got it out of the box and set it up. I know about the game software gap but that is one software category.

You cannot say with any credibility that the PC has THE edge in software titles, it is MUCH more to it then that.

I am forced to use a PC in a multimedia production enviroment. I push the machine and the software to the limits and need special tools to various things done. I have gone on extensive searches for available multimedia freeware, shareware and commercial titles for various purposes and have come up with the following conclusions.

1. The vast majority of PC freeware and shareware is buggy and either geared toward consumers not professionals or extremely poorly designed and hard to use. (Including requiring a VB runtime file or some dll from another source). There is nothing in the hundreds of graphics titles available for the PC that does what Graphic Converter does for the Mac for the price. That's just one example.
2. Just like Windows a huge majority of PC commercial software including the multimedia stuff but not limited to it has wizards galore. fine for the beginners but not for a professional.
3.The number of file formats a Macintosh can handle out of the box is way higher than a PC even with the help of a few shareware utilities. You pay a heavy price in many cases to get the same compatability.

I have found only a few cool things such as NeoDVD but nothing that is technically impossible for a developer to do on a Macintosh if a Mac developer knew that their customers wanted that functionality.

The software title numbers PC'ers quote mean nothing when put under a microscope. Microsoft software incidentally is also riddled with annoying wizards and autofeatures. Aside from some of the dev tools, backoffice, office and Visio their stuff is pretty lame feature wise, especailly when they try to copy Apple iApps.
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As you can see,I own one of those Antec cases and it's in my opinion just about the best case that you can buy on the PC side,because of its build quality,cooling properties,expansion room and why not,its cool and practical design.I'm running Win2000 after having run Win98 and the difference is there;no crashes so far (2 months)compared to a crash every 2-3 days under Win98.
I'm also planning on buying a PM in the coming months if only because I like Macs and the fact that I will start a 1 year course on graphic design.I'm really looking forward to working with Macs since I know people who use them and they all seem to agree on them being very stable under OSX...I think it will be nice to work with both systems without tying myself to just one platform.
post #36 of 68
Now I remember why I never bother going to ars. Too much of this my dick is bigger because I can have four fans and a digital readout of my cpu temp.
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but can you have the digital readout on your dick?

post #38 of 68
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[quote]Here's two opinions that seem to parallel mine.
<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-269441.html?legacy=cnet" target="_blank">http://news.com.com/2100-1040-269441.html?legacy=cnet</a>
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr2001/nf2001051_727.htm" target="_blank">http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr2001/nf2001051_727.htm</a> <hr></blockquote>

Yeah. Two.

[quote]A) I didn't introduce dead-people to the argument<hr></blockquote>

The "dead-people" refered to Microsoft's shady tactics.

[quote]Mclaud:
"The only thing neat they have are two chip companies trying to kill each other."

Me:
"Yes, competition is a very bad thing. Very bad indeed."

Mclaud:
"So believes Microsoft.
Check this out...
Make people use Explorer - Gates email"

that's where the topic switch occured.<hr></blockquote>

Negative. You brought up competition by simply stating the word. I suppose I shouldn't fault you for now knowing the definition of competition, you being a following of his Billness and all.

[quote]I disagree, it's all about a marketing engine and creating a certain mysique associating one's self with legendary figures.<hr></blockquote>

I guess not having faith in the products you buy must be a main staple of a PC user's existence.

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[quote]To be sure, hackers have yet to bite into OS X. As yet, no one has spotted any alarming spikes in vulnerabilities reported to the federally funded CERT Response Center, which flags computer-security threats, and by private security groups. And since few big companies use Macs to run their enterprise networks, the guts of most remain safe.
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this is straight from one of the articles you mentioned. so what they are saying is that there is no known problem, but a problem might exist.

like i said before, that's a pretty lame arguement when it's going up against hundreds of known security holes, and countless holes that might exist.
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I'm cruising at a comfortable 100 mph in my shiny Mercedes-Benz sedan. Nice smooth ride. No need to crank up the volume to hear the music playing. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Then some loud car comes up from behind in the fast lane and passes me. Funky colors, ugly tail lights, bad taste all around. The whole car is shaking. He must be doing at least 115 mph!!! :eek:

Guess who's the Mac user and who's the PC user...
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