Originally posted by pfflam
If F911 is really about the Bush/Suadi connection exclusively then I will be very dissapointed . . . though real, I don't think that that connection is as important to the corrupt decisions that have caracterized this presidency . . or are involved with 911. . . .
Besides Hitchens is right, Clarke says he authorized thse flights out of the US . . . it was a big mistake . . . but I don't thhink that it was a cabal of insiders
But still, Ill see the film before I let a disgruntled hack like Hitchens tell me what to think . . . even if he is eloquent.
How about a disgruntled, eloquent hack named George Stephanpoulos?This Week
Note some of the following parts...
Moore doesn't even claim his film presents the truth.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Random House defines "propaganda" as information, rumors, et cetera, deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, et cetera. By that definition, Fahrenheit 911 is propaganda, isn't it?
MOORE: Well, it's an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration. And that's what I call it. I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism, even though those who use the words "fair and balanced" often aren't that, but
STEPHANOPOULOS: And your goal is to defeat President Bush.
MOORE: I would like to see Mr. Bush removed from the White House.
George even takes Moore apart on the Bin Laudin/Saudi/Bush connection as well. We've even seen the flying out claim asserted in the trailer as well. He doesn't say the entire film is about it, but he does characterize it as "a big chunk."
STEPHANOPOULOS: Take the issue of the Saudi planes. You make a big issue, a big chunk in the film about this issue where a few days after Sept. 11, many members of the Osama bin Laden family, Saudi nationals, were taken out of the country. It was helped, arranged by the White House. You suggest it was done when the airspace was closed. You suggest that these people were not screened. And you also [suggest] there's a whole sinister subtext there that this was because of the Bush family ties to the bin Laden family. But the 9/11 commission report found that they didn't fly until the airspace was open, that they were screened by the FBI.
A bit more...
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, but Richard Clarke, who's probably at the top of the White House enemy list, says that it was his decision, he takes responsibility for it. He doesn't think it was a mistake.
MOORE: Right. And he said that he's made mistakes, and he apologized to the 9/11 families for those mistakes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But that wasn't one of the mistakes.
MOORE: Well, I happen to think it was a mistake. And the FBI did not do the proper interrogation, as our FBI agent says in the movie.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You said you have one retired FBI agent in the movie, Jack Cloonan, I think his name is. But here's the 9/11 commission report. It says, "The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these six flights that the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the 9/11 attacks, or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks. To date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict those conclusions." Do you have any reason to doubt the credibility of the 9/11 commission?
MOORE: Well, first of all, that's their preliminary report. This is not the final report.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, but then you make a pretty outrageous leap, though. You suggest that Bush has somehow gone easy on bin Laden because of these connections between the bin Laden family
MOORE: I don't blame him for that. I don't blame him for that. Hey, if you gave me $1.4 billion, I'd take your call too.
Moore's op-ed appears to manipulate in a manner to contradict both Clarke and the 9/11 commission.
There's more of course, but there is a point in linking, letting others read and think as well. All I'm pointing out is that it appears Moore has stepped from documentary to propaganda in his quest to see Bush gone. When you have the sort of huge logical leaps that it appears journalists of even the left and right can point out, then it certainly should make any open-minded person question the conclusions drawn by Mr. Moore's film. But by all means see it and draw your own conclusions.