or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Software › Mac Software › Apple Introduces Logic Pro 7 & Logic Express 7
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Apple Introduces Logic Pro 7 & Logic Express 7

post #1 of 34
Thread Starter 
Apple Computer today introduced Logic Pro 7 and Logic Express 7, the next major releases of its award-winning professional music creation and audio production software applications used by more than 200,000 musicians and audio engineers worldwide.

Logic Pro 7 includes new software instruments such as Sculpture, a component-modeling based synthesizer; UltraBeat, an innovative and powerful drum machine; and new plug-ins including Guitar Amp Pro, a full-featured guitar amplifier simulator.

Along with over 100 workflow enhancements, new mastering plug-ins and support for Apple Loops, Logic Pro 7 debuts distributed audio processing, a revolutionary technology which allows audio pros to tap into a virtually unlimited number of Macs to expand available Digital Signal Processing (DSP) power.

Logic Express 7, a streamlined version of Logic, provides a basic set of professional tools for students, educators and advanced hobbyists at a price of $299. Logic Express 7 and Logic Pro 7 both come with support for projects from GarageBand, Apple's consumer music creation software, offering users a smooth migration path to high-end audio production.

New software instruments in Logic Pro 7 include Sculpture and UltraBeat providing customers with more options to create unique sounds and generate drum and bass sequences. Sculpture simulates the behavioral characteristics of a vibrating string or bar and provides users with the ability to control and create their own dynamic and expressive sounds. UltraBeat is an innovative and powerful drum machine utilizing several types of synthesis including FM, subtractive, sample-based and component modeling. UltraBeat consists of up to 25 independently modifiable drum voices and includes a uniquely designed integrated step sequencer.

New plug-ins in Logic Pro 7 include Guitar Amp Pro, a new full-featured guitar amplifier simulator that recreates the sounds of 11 of the world's best known guitar amplifiers. Users can configure their own real life sounding amplifier with detailed options including 14 speaker cabinet selections, microphone type and placement, as well as EQ type and settings. Additionally, Logic Pro 7 includes new mastering plug-ins, such as Linear Phase EQ and professional metering, to fulfill the needs of audio post production professionals.

Logic Pro 7 introduces distributed audio processing, a revolutionary technology that allows audio pros to tap into a virtually unlimited number of Macs to expand available DSP power. The result is an audio and music production system with processing power previously unimaginable for native based systems. This breakthrough feature allows musicians and audio engineers to be even more creative by using a virtually unlimited number of plug-ins to create and process sounds.

Logic Pro 7 includes support for Apple Loops, the powerful open-standard file format that allows users to quickly find a loop by instrument, genre or mood. Apple Loops in Logic Pro 7 provide complete real-time flexibility for changing and adjusting the sound and notes in a loop. Workflow in Logic Pro 7 is significantly improved with over 100 productivity enhancement features including song templates, channel strip save and recall, professional shuffle and auto crossfade edit modes, directly accessible from the arrange window. Additionally, users can compile and burn CDs to the Red Book standard with WaveBurner, a stand alone mastering and CD burning application included with Logic Pro 7.

Pricing & Availability

Logic Pro 7 is available now through the Apple Store, Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $999 (US). Registered users of Logic Pro 6 as well as Logic Platinum, Logic Gold 5 or Logic Gold 6 can upgrade to Logic Pro 7 for $299 (US). Logic Express 7 will be available in October for a suggested retail price of $299 (US). Full system requirements can be found at Apple's Logic Web site.
post #2 of 34
...and Emagic is officially gone.

www.emagic.de
post #3 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Patrik_L
...and Emagic is officially gone.

www.emagic.de

What ever happened to emagic harware. Where is the link to Apple's home page or has that gone too.
post #4 of 34
The biggest thing in here for me is Distributed Audio processing. Where you can have several Macs processing the audio.

But mostly because this could mean the distributed video processing could be coming down the road.
post #5 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by tak1108
The biggest thing in here for me is Distributed Audio processing. Where you can have several Macs processing the audio.

But mostly because this could mean the distributed video processing could be coming down the road.

Could? It's for sure coming.

Apple isn't investing time and money into Xgrid, Xsan and Xserves for nothing. Apple knows distributed computing is the future...especially now that all CPU makers have hit a magical wall.

I wouldn't be surprised either if Apple brought these capabilities to consumers in a few years. It keep reinforcing my grand vision of a computer in every room of the house all communicating between them via wireless/Airport and sharing HD storage and CPU time between themselves.
post #6 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by tak1108
The biggest thing in here for me is Distributed Audio processing. Where you can have several Macs processing the audio.

But mostly because this could mean the distributed video processing could be coming down the road.

Totally agree. Not only is this a major strike at owning the music production market, but it signals an age soon coming when all of the really cool Apple techs are finally coming together. The integration possibilities are staggering.

Also, back on Logic, looking through the Apple site I have to say that this looks like some amazing new tech. I have been working in studios since the eighties, and this is a dream system. The range of included instruments, effects, capabilities is mind boggling. Truly a studio in one package. I am vintage keys freak, and own several Rhodes, Wurlitzers, and a B3. I just upgraded to Logic and heard their recreations, and they are the first ones I would use instead of the real thing. The built in synths and samplers are all there, along with almost all of the processing functions you could want. This was an old program plus a jillion plug ins rolled into one. One question, are the virtual instruments Audio Unit plug ins, i.e. could we call them up in other apps?
"I'm learning how to meditate, so far so good."
Donald Fagen and Walter Becker
Reply
"I'm learning how to meditate, so far so good."
Donald Fagen and Walter Becker
Reply
post #7 of 34
Edu pricing is nice $149 and $499. It looks like logic express is in my future.
post #8 of 34
I read the front page caption too fast!



I wonder that Apple has to say about most of its artists on the iTMS!

On another note, the new Logic apps look awesome.
post #9 of 34
Anyone know if the GUI changed much on Logic Pro 7?
post #10 of 34
$299 is an expinsive upgrad for someone who bought Logic Pro just 3 months ago...
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Reply
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Reply
post #11 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Res
$299 is an expinsive upgrad for someone who bought Logic Pro just 3 months ago...

So, what should be the cut-off date? Four months ago, five, maybe six. What about the poor guy who bout it six months and one day ago. He should get the upgrade price too? Then what about the guy who bought it six months and two days ago? I could go on forever. It's three months. If the new features are worth $299 then people will upgrade or they could wait until Logic 8. Apple isn't forcing anyone to upgrade. People upgrade because they find the features beneficial and worth the price.
NOTICE: While every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information supplied herein, fahlman cannot be held responsible for any errors or omissions. Unless otherwise indicated,...
Reply
NOTICE: While every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information supplied herein, fahlman cannot be held responsible for any errors or omissions. Unless otherwise indicated,...
Reply
post #12 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Res
$299 is an expinsive upgrad for someone who bought Logic Pro just 3 months ago...

People like you are hopeless...I always buy my products the moment they first start shipping to avoid this kind of thing.

Of course, I haven't been in a situation where I absolutely had to buy something and couldn't wait until the next upgrade but that's what I do...if I missed the boat and I know an upgrade is coming or a new product, I wait.

It's your fault for not doing your homework as a consumer.
post #13 of 34
I wonder if Apple will offer cross-grading...

Im running DP4 but Logic looks like the all in one package I need.... Stuggling artists like me dont have the cash to upgrading and buying the stuff Native Instruments keep releasing and Logic just came out with B3's, FM Synths, Drum Machines, Vocoder, Guitar Amp Sims etc all in the one package!!!

Please, oh please Apple.... save me from myself and let me cross-grade for a reasonable (insert small) amount of coin!

*fingers crossed*
"The world is all that is the case"
~ Ludwig Wittgenstein
Reply
"The world is all that is the case"
~ Ludwig Wittgenstein
Reply
post #14 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by blue2kdave
One question, are the virtual instruments Audio Unit plug ins, i.e. could we call them up in other apps?

No. All Logic plug-ins are part of the core program and always have been, this makes them very efficient CPU wise. Also Apple has no interest in you using other applications.
post #15 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by fahlman
So, what should be the cut-off date? Four months ago, five, maybe six. What about the poor guy who bout it six months and one day ago. He should get the upgrade price too? Then what about the guy who bought it six months and two days ago? I could go on forever. It's three months. If the new features are worth $299 then people will upgrade or they could wait until Logic 8. Apple isn't forcing anyone to upgrade. People upgrade because they find the features beneficial and worth the price.

I don't think that there should be a cut off date. I think that the upgrade from Logic 5 gold/platinum should be $299, and the upgrade from logic pro 6 should be $159.

Right now the upgrade offer is the same $299 for people who have logic 5 gold or platinum, or logic pro 6. A lot of people who recently upgraded or purchased logic pro 6 are complaining about the price. How would you feel of you upgraded from 5 gold to 6 pro for $200 a few weeks ago and now had to pay another $299 for go to logic 7? You would feel that you had wasted $200.

If I thought that they were going to charge this much for the upgrade I would have put off getting Logic Pro 6. I'll end up getting the upgrade (unless I decided to ditch Macs altogether), but it means that I can't afford the Mic preamp that I was planning to buy next week. So I will about the price.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Reply
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Reply
post #16 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Res
$299 is an expinsive upgrad for someone who bought Logic Pro just 3 months ago...

Illogical Captain...
post #17 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Res
Right now the upgrade offer is the same $299 for people who have logic 5 gold or platinum, or logic pro 6. A lot of people who recently upgraded or purchased logic pro 6 are complaining about the price. How would you feel of you upgraded from 5 gold to 6 pro for $200 a few weeks ago and now had to pay another $299 for go to logic 7? You would feel that you had wasted $200.

I agree with your situation!

I personally was about to buy Logic Pro 6 [I have Logic PLatinum 5] ..... and with today's unexpected announcement, Apple saved me from buying Logic Pro 6 and upgrading straight to Logic Pro 7.

There really should be a different upgrade pricing for Logic Pro 6 users.

Though I don't have Logic Pro 6, I completely understand the frustration of recent Logic Pro 6 users who upgraded.

post #18 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by kim kap sol
People like you are hopeless...I always buy my products the moment they first start shipping to avoid this kind of thing.

Of course, I haven't been in a situation where I absolutely had to buy something and couldn't wait until the next upgrade but that's what I do...if I missed the boat and I know an upgrade is coming or a new product, I wait.

It's your fault for not doing your homework as a consumer.

I knew it was coming out sometime this fall or winter, but I didn't think that they would be charging this much for the upgrade from Pro 6. The upgrade from logic 5 gold to pro 6 was only $199 -- why would anyone expect them to charge $299 to go from Pro 6 to Pro 7? I thought that the upgrade would cost between $129 - $199. I was wrong, but it is not do form lack of research.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Reply
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Reply
post #19 of 34
again, where is the Emagic hardware.
post #20 of 34
Am i the only one excited about the inclusion of the pitch corrector? I was just thinking of buying the TC electronics pitch thingie for my powercore.. wich costs about the same as the logic upgrade
And another thing: is logic now gonna be a direct competitor to protools? Except that Instead of buying additional accel cards you'll have to buy xserves or g5's... ? Gosh i'm so excited...
The question of emagic hardware bugs me also. Emagic's website says that support is continued, but what about development? Is the whole line of products discontinued? Even AMT's and unitors?
post #21 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Res
$299 is an expinsive upgrad for someone who bought Logic Pro just 3 months ago...

Just a thought, but upgrade pricing could be done on a scale. That is, if you bought the product a month ago, the upgrade is free. 2 months ago, and it's $99. 3 months ago and it's $199; etc.
"Hearing a corrupt CEO like Cheney denigrate Edwards for being a trial lawyer is like hearing a child molester complain how Larry Flint is a pervert." -johnq
Reply
"Hearing a corrupt CEO like Cheney denigrate Edwards for being a trial lawyer is like hearing a child molester complain how Larry Flint is a pervert." -johnq
Reply
post #22 of 34
Hi, Where does it say that wave burner will be inclueded? there's nothing on apple website... is this a rumor or a fact?
post #23 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Jogasm
Hi, Where does it say that wave burner will be inclueded? there's nothing on apple website... is this a rumor or a fact?

"Waveburner software creates CD masters in Redbook audio format." From the logic 7 features page
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Reply
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Reply
post #24 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by ogunda
again, where is the Emagic hardware.

The safe bet is that it's gone and it's not coming back. Apple's moving as much as possible to software.
"...within intervention's distance of the embassy." - CvB

Original music:
The Mayflies - Black earth Americana. Now on iTMS!
Becca Sutlive - Iowa Fried Rock 'n Roll - now on iTMS!
Reply
"...within intervention's distance of the embassy." - CvB

Original music:
The Mayflies - Black earth Americana. Now on iTMS!
Becca Sutlive - Iowa Fried Rock 'n Roll - now on iTMS!
Reply
post #25 of 34
I have never used Soundtrack or Logic Pro, but what are the differences? I assume one is better at certain aspects than the other, so how do you know which one to buy? Also, if you have final cut pro, soundtrack comes with it, so would there be a need for Logic Pro?
post #26 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by cubs23
I have never used Soundtrack or Logic Pro, but what are the differences? I assume one is better at certain aspects than the other, so how do you know which one to buy? Also, if you have final cut pro, soundtrack comes with it, so would there be a need for Logic Pro?

Soundtrack doesn't even pretend to handle midi and audio input as good as Logic Express. Logic Express doesn't pretent to be the ideal app for scoring video.

Soundtrack comes with 4000 loops and handles FCP markers. Logic Express doesn't link to FCP very well and is aimed at audio input and midi plugins.

If you can play an instrument then Logic E is for you. If you are a video person and just want placeholder music or simply backing tracks then Soundtrack is your product.

Hands on mini-review of Logic Pro 7

Bummer there is no full on Plugin Delay Compensation but the ability to save channel strips is huge for workflow and quality. Never again will you forget that chain of plugins that made your strings shine or your drums bang.
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
post #27 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by hmurchison
Soundtrack doesn't even pretend to handle midi and audio input as good as Logic Express. Logic Express doesn't pretent to be the ideal app for scoring video.

Soundtrack comes with 4000 loops and handles FCP markers. Logic Express doesn't link to FCP very well and is aimed at audio input and midi plugins.

If you can play an instrument then Logic E is for you. If you are a video person and just want placeholder music or simply backing tracks then Soundtrack is your product.

Hands on mini-review of Logic Pro 7

Bummer there is no full on Plugin Delay Compensation but the ability to save channel strips is huge for workflow and quality. Never again will you forget that chain of plugins that made your strings shine or your drums bang.

I see... that makes sense, but that is too bad that logic pro doesn't link with final cut pro very well...But I assume if a project were created in logic pro, final cut pro could use it. That would be really only the main thing it would need to do, at least from what I can tell. Leave the video editng (FCP) to edit video, and the music composing to the music program (Logic).
post #28 of 34
cubs23

No I didn't mean Logic Pro. I meant specifically Logic Express doesn't have the FCP linkage. Logic Pro is pretty schweet. You can export/import FCP XML or AAF. Logic Pro also has an automatic movie cut detection which might be useful. You're right though. Logic Pro 7 is going to be very cool once your video is done being edited. Just export and complete your score.

I have a lot of learning to do. No rest for the weary.
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
He's a mod so he has a few extra vBulletin privileges. That doesn't mean he should stop posting or should start acting like Digital Jesus.
- SolipsismX
Reply
post #29 of 34
Hi Guys,

An update for 329 euros (or 299 dollar) is a lot of money.
On the other hand, if you look at the specs and see whats new it's cool.

Two new synths (one of them is a beatbox, we never had that direct from Emagic)
Waveburner Pro is standard and 9 new plug-ins comes along.

If you buy all these stuff by oyher developers, it will cost you a lot more money.
There's no substitute for OS-X
Reply
There's no substitute for OS-X
Reply
post #30 of 34
BUT WHAT ABOUT EDITING????

is the editing in the arrange window still destructive?
I need Non destructive editing.... Im a musician man not a programmer,they Need to change that if im going to buy the bitch.
post #31 of 34
Quote:
Originally posted by Catman4d2
BUT WHAT ABOUT EDITING????

is the editing in the arrange window still destructive?
I need Non destructive editing.... Im a musician man not a programmer,they Need to change that if im going to buy the bitch.

What do you mean with destructive?
If you not use the scissors or delete something Logic is not destructive.
By the way, if you save regularly nothing is happen.

And since Logic 5 there is a handy multiple undo function.

If you don't like programming:
You can play your notes on a keyboard and record these via midi.
After that there are several edit-windows where you can edit your material. (remove fault notes or place them somewhere else)

Logic is not more or less destructive than any other computerbased sequencer.
There's no substitute for OS-X
Reply
There's no substitute for OS-X
Reply
post #32 of 34
What i mean is...

the last release had a quick tour on the apple site,Including Videos ,So not yet Owning Logic,I decided to check them out,it said on the video that in the arrange window,the editing was destructive and once you changed somthing it stayed that way... so needless to say i was horrified... if their is indeed an unlimited undo then COOL i can go to sleep at night now.
post #33 of 34
I think you're missing hte point of what destructive editing is.

In Final Cut Pro, the editing is non-destructive - because all your clips are stored in the library and not primarily on the timeline. So if you cut off a bit too much of the end of one, no matter how much other stuff you've done in the mean time, you can grab a tool which can stick stuff back onto the end of clips, all automatically.

In Logic, had you done that, unless you could undo back to the change, then the bit you snipped off and deleted is just gone. You could either re-import your source files or load a saved version, but there's no easy way to just add it back on.


Amorya
post #34 of 34
yes, before in logic in the arrange window you could only edit audio non-destructive.

edit: although in these previous versions of logic if you deleted the last instance of an audio file in the arrange window it would ask you if you wanted to delete the file on the harddrive.

You would have to double click the file and edit it in the waveform editor to have a destructive result(it saved it as the file or you could make a backup). You would want a destructive result when you are cutting off blank space or trimming the file, that way you would have a nice clean trimmed audio file on your harddrive, say if you are making a bunch of drum loops. Logic 7 just gives you the option to do destructive editing in the arrange window, non-destructive editing is still there.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mac Software
AppleInsider › Forums › Software › Mac Software › Apple Introduces Logic Pro 7 & Logic Express 7