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Will the canons of journalistic objectivity buckle under the weight of the president's lies?

That's the question raised, albeit implicitly, in an article in the Times today by Adam Nagourney and Richard Stevenson entitled "In His New Attacks, Bush Pushes Limit on the Facts."

The awkward generosity of that headline touches the essence of the problem. It's obvious to pretty much everyone watching these final weeks of the campaign that in response to the setback of the first debate the president's advisors decided that he would only be able to win by moving from harsh attacks and distortions of his opponent's record to straight out lies.

Yet by the rules of daily newspaper and television journalism it's not possible to quite say that -- a blind spot of the profession which Mike Kinsley has spoken about eloquently for many years.

So the Times frames the matter this way. After noting how the president dramatically ramped up his criticisms after last week's debate, the authors write: "in the process, several analysts say, Mr. Bush pushed the limits of subjective interpretation and offered exaggerated or what some Democrats said were distorted accounts of Mr. Kerry's positions on health care, tax cuts, the Iraq war and foreign policy."

'Several analysts say'.

They can't get themselves to say it, even though the authors of the piece, Nagourney and Stevenson, are seasoned political reporters who know the relevant facts perfectly well enough to make the judgment themselves.

This isn't an indictment of these two reporters. It's a recognition of the system they're working in, and the tactical advantages it gives to liars.

Give the piece a look and see the level of indirection they feel obliged to use in discussing the fact the Bush campaign has made a decision to completely toss aside any serious pretense of telling the truth. Like Sherman's Army cutting their supply lines in their March to the Sea, the Bush campaign is cutting itself free from any semblance of the truth with the expectation that they can live off the rhetorical fat of the land until November 3rd.

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post #2 of 36
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It's been a bad week for the White House. I think it's worth summarizing just how bad:
  • Thursday: George Bush gets his butt kicked by John Kerry in the first presidential debate.
  • Saturday: Partly due to Bush's dismal debate performance, polls indicate that Kerry is catching up. Bush's lead appears to have been reduced to 2-3 points.
  • Monday: Donald Rumsfeld admits that Saddam Hussein didn't have any substantial ties to al-Qaeda. "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two." After his statement is reported, he tries unsucessfully to claim that he was "misunderstood."
  • Later Monday: The CIA agrees with Rumsfeld. The linchpin of the administration's case for collaboration between Saddam and al-Qaeda has been Saddam's alleged "harboring" of terrorist mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, but a CIA report concludes that it probably didn't happen. "The evidence is that Saddam never gave Zarqawi anything," said an official who read the report.
  • Tuesday: Paul Bremer admits that the administration made a big mistake by not having enough troops in Iraq. "The single most important change -- the one thing that would have improved the situation -- would have been having more troops in Iraq at the beginning and throughout" the occupation.

    When his statement becomes public, Bremer complains that his remarks were "off the record." For its part, the Bush administration tries to claim that Bremer was lying, but is forced to backtrack almost immediately when it becomes apparent that Bremer did ask for more troops as far back as July 2003.
  • Later Tuesday: Dick Cheney initially appears to fight John Edwards to a near draw in the vice presidential debate, but before long attention shifts to Cheney's numerous and obvious lies during the debate. This is likely to be the consensus post-debate talking point.
  • Wednesday: Weapons inspector Charles Duelfer releases his final report. He says that Saddam Hussein destroyed all his WMD after 1991, had no WMD programs in place after that, and that his capacity to build WMD was actually deteriorating after 1998, not increasing.
  • Thursday: Polls show that Bush has lost nearly his entire lead. The race is now a dead heat. AP/Ipsos actually shows Kerry ahead.

That's a bad week. I wonder how George Bush will be feeling when he takes the stage for the 2nd debate? A little bit nervous, perhaps?

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post #3 of 36
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Washington Post

Several Bush advisers said the president may well pay a price for his decision to remain isolated from tough or unexpected questions when he faces Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), whose events are notably less scripted, in a town-hall-style debate tonight at Washington University in St. Louis. The questions are likely to be tougher than those he faced when he taped an interview about parenting for the "Dr. Phil" show this summer.

The debates, which will conclude Wednesday in Arizona, have brought new scrutiny to Bush by tens of millions of people who are accustomed to seeing him only in brief clips or formal settings. Bush received poor ratings in polls after television shots from the first debate showed him fidgeting and grimacing under challenges by Kerry, and his remarks became repetitious and at times peevish.

Wayne Fields, a specialist in presidential rhetoric at Washington University, said the first debate showed Bush had been overprotected. "If you don't talk to the press and deal with audiences with some degree of skepticism, you can't build understanding so people have confidence in you in hard times," Fields said. "His handlers think they're doing him a favor, but they're not." [...]

The president has stopped taking questions from the small pool of reporters who cover his photo opportunities, and he has answered questions from the White House press corps twice since Aug. 23, both times with interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi at his side. His last prime-time news conference was April 13.
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post #4 of 36
Bush is in meltdown even though he's leading or tied in most polls.
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post #5 of 36
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Originally posted by SDW2001
Bush is in meltdown even though he's leading or tied in most polls.

Hey, I just thought I'd play in the same sandbox as you.
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post #6 of 36
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Was Bush wearing an earpiece during the first debate?

Salon examines the evidence, and it's pretty compelling.



Note, the debate rules, at the Bush campaign's urging, specifically forbid shots of the candidates' backs.

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post #7 of 36
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Headlines that simply say it all.

AP:"U.S. Said to Develop Strategy for Iraq.."
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post #8 of 36
The Votemaster did a bit of research himself:
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I obtained a copy of the debate video and the Red Hawk image intensification software (developed for NASA), which combines multiple images into a sharper image and then had the contrast enhanced with Photoshop. Other than cropping and resizing of the image, no other manipulation was done. I stand 100% behind the fact that this image was taken from the debate video, independently confirming the Salon.com photo, but interpretation is up to you.

and came out with this:
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post #9 of 36
I knew it... Bush is a robot!
post #10 of 36
looks like a pushup bra to me )
post #11 of 36
Northgate I think you need to take a break from the blogs for a while.
post #12 of 36
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Quote:
Originally posted by BRussell
Northgate I think you need to take a break from the blogs for a while.

Yeah, you're probably right.
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post #13 of 36
Here let me pull out another rod and add to the meltdown!


From CNN Money :

THE ECONOMY: SEVEN INDICATORS
The indicator | what it's telling us | next update
Consumer Confidence | Weak Growth | October 26
Retail sales | Rebound in Question | October 15
Leading Economic Indicators | Slowing Growth | October 21
Manufacturing Activity (ISM) | Slowing Growth | November 1
Industrial Production | Rough Patch | October 15
Jobs Growth | Growth in Question | November 5
Inflation (CPI) | No Inflation Threat | October 19


Also :

http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/08/news...mber/index.htm


Even if it wasn't an election year this wouldn't be a good time for this to be happening.





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post #14 of 36
Sorry. No meltdown.

Bush 55%
All others 45%
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post #15 of 36
Quote:
Originally posted by Common Man
Sorry. No meltdown.

Bush 55%
All others 45%


They have good programs and professional counciling for this.
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post #16 of 36
October is shaping up to be a perfect storm for the Republicans. Not lookin' good for Bush - I think he'll end up like his dad.
post #17 of 36
If we look back in time--oh about four years--we'd see Bush pulling up to and ahead of Gore in October of 2000. Seems the same thing is happening here only Bush is not doing the pulling, Kerry is. Bush will do a little better in tonights debate IMO, but I bet Kerry will still stick it to Bush and be declaired the winner (except by few ultra conservatives).

Enjoy the dying Bush campaign and enjoy tonights debate.
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post #18 of 36
Northgate, are you talking to yourself? You have about 2/3 of the posts and about 93% of the verbiage in here.

Meltdown is a bit of a stretch. Dismissing the Prez is perfectly dangerous, as history has shown, whether you're accusing him of being stupid, lying or having a meltdown. Ironic perhaps that an opening post that decries how Bush has "stretched" the truth, to put it mildly, stretches the facts of the situation itself. Once again, the extremities of the viewpoints in here only fuel the opposing extreme viewpoints to come up with equally ridiculous claims. It's a circle of misinformation.

Face it. No matter how much it might piss people off to admit this, the truth is that this race is very close by pretty much all measurements. Sure, people bring up highly biased sources that say otherwise, but, like I said, they're always biased sources here (or are quickly dismissed as such I suppose). If someone claims that one side is out of the running, or that the other is having a meltdown, that person is either not paying attention or has no connection to reality.

PS: I think Bush is wearing a wife-beater under that suit.
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It truly believe it will come down to the GOTV effort.

I pray that the Dems have done their job right and have effectively brought in more new voters than the Repubs.
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Originally posted by Northgate
It truly believe it will come down to the GOTV effort.

I pray that the Dems have done their job right and have effectively brought in more new voters than the Repubs.

a friend of my wife asked the student democrat group on campus how many new student voters they had registered. this is southeastern louisiana university, hammond, louisiana. she was expecting them to say 50-100.

"800"

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post #21 of 36
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Originally posted by rok
a friend of my wife asked the student democrat group on campus how many new student voters they had registered. this is southeastern louisiana university, hammond, louisiana. she was expecting them to say 50-100.

"800"


That's really good news! I hope it indicates a trend because it was the lackluster turnout last time that contributed to the Bush " victory ".
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post #22 of 36
Does that photo remind anyone else think of The Puppet Masters? (Heinlein sci-fi novel, filmed in '94) ?
The Earth is invaded by alien "slugs" that ride on people's backs and control their minds.
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post #23 of 36
Quote:
Originally posted by Common Man
Sorry. No meltdown.

Bush 55%
All others 45%

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post #24 of 36
Ne's signature becomes even sillier? Whodathunkitpossible?

Zombies for Kerry!
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When i look at the past 4years what has Bush accomplished with a republican congress? Bin Laden is still free, we have a false war they are still spinning, we have a economy thats a mess,we have oil at $53 a barrel,we have old folks that cant get cheaper drugs from canada,we have more pollution and less restrictions on the polluters, we have no child left behind but they didnt fund it ( to busy paying haliburton for this war but Dick the Cheney is happy)Bush has never used a veto giving congress a free ride,The president did give us a small tax break unless your a millionaire then it was a huge gigantic one. what the hell has this guy done for working people? What has he done about the Mexico line? Sad fricking record and to think almost half of our country will vote for this draft dodger chickenhawk simply because he is on their parties ticket. Even today you listen to the Bush adds and they are all attack adds spinning Kerry because of the DISMAL record as president.I dont know if i can ever vote republican after this past 4 years.I will cast my first vote for a democratic candidate.
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post #26 of 36
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Originally posted by Neø
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Ha!
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post #27 of 36
Quote:
Originally posted by jimmac
Here let me pull out another rod and add to the meltdown!


From CNN Money :

THE ECONOMY: SEVEN INDICATORS
The indicator | what it's telling us | next update
Consumer Confidence | Weak Growth | October 26
Retail sales | Rebound in Question | October 15
Leading Economic Indicators | Slowing Growth | October 21
Manufacturing Activity (ISM) | Slowing Growth | November 1
Industrial Production | Rough Patch | October 15
Jobs Growth | Growth in Question | November 5
Inflation (CPI) | No Inflation Threat | October 19


Also :

http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/08/news...mber/index.htm


Even if it wasn't an election year this wouldn't be a good time for this to be happening.







Oh look! Liberal CNN is INTERPRETING, not reporting the news. Imagine that. My God, you're still here talking about how the economy is in poor shape.

Does anyone else notice how jimmac never really quotes any real numbers/data? He just links to the CNN Money page's INTERPRETATION as he wipes the toast crumbs from his mouth and sips more Gevalia Cafe. "Market's down today, honey" jimmac says, as he wanders off in his thoughts of the fantastical Kerry Presidency.

Economic data interpretation is not valid if it's not compared historically. Anyone looking at ALL the economic indicators as of today has to concluded the economy is, in the least, "healthy."
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post #28 of 36
Quote:
Originally posted by SDW2001
Oh look! Liberal CNN is INTERPRETING, not reporting the news. Imagine that. My God, you're still here talking about how the economy is in poor shape.

Does anyone else notice how jimmac never really quotes any real numbers/data? He just links to the CNN Money page's INTERPRETATION as he wipes the toast crumbs from his mouth and sips more Gevalia Cafe. "Market's down today, honey" jimmac says, as he wanders off in his thoughts of the fantastical Kerry Presidency.

Economic data interpretation is not valid if it's not compared historically. Anyone looking at ALL the economic indicators as of today has to concluded the economy is, in the least, "healthy."


You are in so much denial I've imagined you on election night trying to sleep when it appears Kerry is the next president.....


" Aghhh! Kerry can't win! Bad dream,bad dream! "

Well I'm not the only one talking about the economy not looking so rosy. God man you only listen to what you want to hear. In Oregon right now it's very difficult for someone to find a good job even with good qualifications.

Everyone I've talked to about this guy on the forum who thinks " the economy's surging " thinks you're nuts!
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post #30 of 36
Nope, Kerry is definitely leading by at least a small margin.



on the topic of Bush being a robot, maybe he's like Alexia in Resident Evil; ie: he goes into his Boss Stage when he reaches 10% health.
post #31 of 36
don't you guys think it's too soon to gloat?

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post #32 of 36
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Originally posted by Neø
don't you guys think it's too soon to gloat?

-Neø

It is never too soon to gloat.
post #33 of 36
From the DailyKOS

You think Bush looked terrible in the debates, check out this video leaked to me by a member of the Iraqi Survey Group. (Big QT file.)

The clip is a 'thank you' message taped by Bush for the members of the Iraqi Survey Group. It hasn't been altered in any way.

The fact he can barely finish his sentences should be a genuine cause for concern. This was no impromptu appearance, like his disastrous press conferences and debate appearances. This was a planned, scripted, recorded address.

I'm starting to think rumors of Bush's ill health may have basis in reality. Watch the clip and decide for yourself. It clearly made a stir amongst the members of the ISG.

WATCH BUSH IN ACTION

Or fearless leader in action.
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Originally posted by quagmire
It is never too soon to gloat.

but what if you lose shortly after the fact?

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Originally posted by Neø
but what if you lose shortly after the fact?

-Neø

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but what if you lose shortly after the fact?

-Neø

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