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Apple today announced that it has made its award-winning line of widescreen flat panel Cinema Displays more affordable by reducing the price of the 20-inch model to just $799 and the 23-inch HD model to just $1,499.

In addition, Apple's new 2.7 GHz Power Mac G5s and 1.67 GHz 17-inch PowerBooks now feature built-in support to directly drive Apple's 30-inch Cinema HD Display.

"Apple's Cinema Displays now start at just $799, making widescreen flat displays affordable to even more people," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "Even Apple's groundbreaking 30-inch Cinema HD Display, with its over four million pixels, is now made more affordable with standard support built into some PowerMac G5 and PowerBook configurations."

Apple's flat panel display line, comprising the 20-inch Cinema Display, the 23-inch Cinema HD Display and revolutionary 30-inch Cinema HD Display, is designed to work with DVI-equipped Power Mac G5 desktops, PowerBook G4 notebooks and Windows-based computers, and offers the widescreen design (16:10 ratio) coveted by creative professionals who want access to more screen real estate. The 30-inch Cinema HD Display has a 2560-by-1600 pixel resolution and the 23-inch Cinema HD Display has a 1920-by-1200 pixel resolution, ideal for editing High Definition Television (HDTV) content. The 20-inch Cinema Display flat panel offers a 1680-by-1050 pixel resolution, more than enough space to edit full size images with plenty of room for on-screen palettes.

Two systems now feature built-in support for Apple's 30-inch Cinema HD Display: the new 2.7 GHz Power Mac G5 and the 1.67 GHz 17-inch PowerBook. Users can also add support for the 30-inch Cinema HD Display as a build-to-order option on the new 2.0 GHz and 2.3 GHz Power Mac G5 systems, as well as the 1.67 GHz 15-inch PowerBook.

Apple flat panel displays provide a broad color gamut and maximum color quality using the industry's best wide-viewing angle technology of up to 170 degrees even when viewing images off-axis.

Apple Cinema Displays feature an all aluminum design with a very thin bezel, suspended by an aluminum stand with an adjustable hinge that makes tilting the display almost effortless. Each Cinema Display features two FireWire 400 ports and two USB 2.0 ports, and support the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) mounting interface standard.

Pricing & Availability

The 20-inch Cinema Display, 23-inch Cinema HD Display and the 30-inch Cinema HD Display are available through the Apple Store and at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $799 (US), $1,499 (US) and $2,999 (US), respectively. Power Mac G5 build-to-order options for the Cinema Display line include the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL with 256MB DDR SDRAM for an additional $350 (US) as well as a standalone kit for a suggested retail price of $599 (US) through the Apple Store.
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Wow, there getting really competitive! These prices are pretty impressive, a 20" Apple Display for £550 (that's a £150 reduction). When you compare these to other professional displays they are really good value.
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i have to say that $800 for a 20" flat panel sure sounds like a good deal to me, but i don't track these sorts of things, so maybe there are better displays out there for better prices. i will say i was blown away by some wintel laptop screens at office depot the other day. i actually had to do a double-take, as they looked as crisp, clear and glassy as crt's.
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Originally posted by rok
i have to say that $800 for a 20" flat panel sure sounds like a good deal to me, but i don't track these sorts of things, so maybe there are better displays out there for better prices. i will say i was blown away by some wintel laptop screens at office depot the other day. i actually had to do a double-take, as they looked as crisp, clear and glassy as crt's.

You do have to be careful when choosing flat panels because some are really bad, colour fault etc. Hopefully Apple's fixed the magenta problem on the 23"
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Hopefully Apple's fixed the magenta problem on the 23"

And releases a 23" iMac with the improved display .
post #6 of 31
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Originally posted by PB
And releases a 23" iMac with the improved display .

Definitely, Apple now have competitive displays for the mini but they need a smaller display - 17" still. The second I have enough money I'm buying a new 20" display, maybe 23" if my G4 PB will support HD.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Definitely, Apple now have competitive displays for the mini but they need a smaller display - 17" still. The second I have enough money I'm buying a new 20" display, maybe 23" if my G4 PB will support HD.

my local reseller is offering quite a decent deal on the Mac mini with an Acer 15" display... surprisingly, the VGA connection from the Mac mini to the Acer 15" is not too bad, i think they chose the monitor well...
post #8 of 31
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Originally posted by rok
i have to say that $800 for a 20" flat panel sure sounds like a good deal to me, but i don't track these sorts of things, so maybe there are better displays out there for better prices. i will say i was blown away by some wintel laptop screens at office depot the other day. i actually had to do a double-take, as they looked as crisp, clear and glassy as crt's.

No, equal displays with better prices. The DELL
UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor has exact same specs and cost 486.85 (as of today, on dell.com). The one difference between the dell and apple is dell monitor does not have firewire and also it's brightness controls leave a lot to be desired. Other than that, it has same specs. In fact, dell has dropped it's price faster than apple. I bought this monitor for my dual 2.5 Ghz for a little over $600. (that was in december of last year). It's now selling for 486, which is a little under $200 price drop.
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Originally posted by wnurse
No, equal displays with better prices. The DELL
UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor has exact same specs and cost 486.85 (as of today, on dell.com). The one difference between the dell and apple is dell monitor does not have firewire and also it's brightness controls leave a lot to be desired. Other than that, it has same specs. In fact, dell has dropped it's price faster than apple. I bought this monitor for my dual 2.5 Ghz for a little over $600. (that was in december of last year). It's now selling for 486, which is a little under $200 price drop.

is the colour as good, on CRTs you can get a mismatch, I'm just curious.
post #10 of 31
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
is the colour as good, on CRTs you can get a mismatch, I'm just curious.

The colors are very good. I seen Apple 20 inch displays in stores and have played around with them but i obviously did not buy one. I'm not a graphic artist but i am sure there will be some who will say the Apple display is a little better. What i would say is that the dell is excellent. If you think the apple display is a little better and that factor is really important to you, i'd say go for the apple. The Dell works for me.
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Originally posted by wnurse
No, equal displays with better prices. The DELL
UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor has exact same specs and cost 486.85 (as of today, on dell.com). The one difference between the dell and apple is dell monitor does not have firewire and also it's brightness controls leave a lot to be desired. Other than that, it has same specs. In fact, dell has dropped it's price faster than apple. I bought this monitor for my dual 2.5 Ghz for a little over $600. (that was in december of last year). It's now selling for 486, which is a little under $200 price drop.

Keep in mind that those are prices achieved only through coupons and instant discounts - the 2005FPW normally goes for $749, and there's no guarantee you'll find those extreme sale prices all the time.

Don't get me wrong - it's still an undeniable factor when buying a display. It's just that the prices are close enough now that you can at least rationalize a 20" Apple display if you value build quality, appearance, and/or Firewire ports.
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Originally posted by Commodus
Keep in mind that those are prices achieved only through coupons and instant discounts - the 2005FPW normally goes for $749, and there's no guarantee you'll find those extreme sale prices all the time.

Don't get me wrong - it's still an undeniable factor when buying a display. It's just that the prices are close enough now that you can at least rationalize a 20" Apple display if you value build quality, appearance, and/or Firewire ports.

yes, yes and yes. I'm saving my money now!
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Originally posted by Commodus
Keep in mind that those are prices achieved only through coupons and instant discounts - the 2005FPW normally goes for $749, and there's no guarantee you'll find those extreme sale prices all the time.

Don't get me wrong - it's still an undeniable factor when buying a display. It's just that the prices are close enough now that you can at least rationalize a 20" Apple display if you value build quality, appearance, and/or Firewire ports.

Dell always has sales. Dell is like Marlo Furniture (a little inside joke for thoese people who have marlo furniture company in their states. Every week marlo furniture has the greatest sale in its history).

You should never pay full price for a Dell monitor. I have never known Dell at any point not to have a sale on its monitor and if it happens, wait a day or two and it will go back on sale again.
post #14 of 31
2 things...

We WILL see a 23" iMac before this design runs it's course.

We may not see another AIO "iMac" design if the mini continues to do well. The next iMac just might lose it's head.
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Originally posted by wnurse
Dell always has sales. Dell is like Marlo Furniture (a little inside joke for thoese people who have marlo furniture company in their states. Every week marlo furniture has the greatest sale in its history).

You should never pay full price for a Dell monitor. I have never known Dell at any point not to have a sale on its monitor and if it happens, wait a day or two and it will go back on sale again.

That's like DFS in the UK, or B&Q - continuous sales!
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The 20" is still good. It helps that it doesn't have much competition.

The 23" ACD, on the other hand, is awful. Dell, HP, Viewsonic and Samsung have very competetive products in the 23"-24" class. I think Apple actually has a worse quality rep than any of these four in this size class; it is soundly beaten in features, and even after the price cut it's only tied with HP and still a lot costier than the Dell.
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Originally posted by wnurse
No, equal displays with better prices. The DELL
UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor has exact same specs and cost 486.85 (as of today, on dell.com). The one difference between the dell and apple is dell monitor does not have firewire and also it's brightness controls leave a lot to be desired. Other than that, it has same specs. In fact, dell has dropped it's price faster than apple. I bought this monitor for my dual 2.5 Ghz for a little over $600. (that was in december of last year). It's now selling for 486, which is a little under $200 price drop.

Here in the UK the Dell 2005FPW sells for £542....... now we can get the Apple for the same price.... no need to buy Dell anymore.
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Originally posted by wnurse
No, equal displays with better prices. The DELL
UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor has exact same specs and cost 486.85 (as of today, on dell.com). The one difference between the dell and apple is dell monitor does not have firewire and also it's brightness controls leave a lot to be desired. Other than that, it has same specs. In fact, dell has dropped it's price faster than apple. I bought this monitor for my dual 2.5 Ghz for a little over $600. (that was in december of last year). It's now selling for 486, which is a little under $200 price drop.

It's been pointed out before, but bears repeating: while the Dell may use the same LCD panel, it does not use the same backlighting system, which has enormous influence on contrast and color integrity.

Moreover, Dell's quality control has at times been less than rigorous, meaning that you might get a really sweet display for your money, and you might get something with more dead pixels than you like (but fewer than Dell considers replaceable), or uneven color and illumination.

Personally, at the new price point, I think it's worth it to shell out a little more for a monitor which has something going into it other than "how can we we can shave another 3 cents off this thing?"
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post #19 of 31
How much can I get for a 17" Studio Display now? That 20" looks very nice.
post #20 of 31
Shoot!
I just bought a 20in Cinema Display last week.
Now the price has dropped by 200EUR.
Apple has offered retroactive refunds for recent buyers before.
I hope they will do it again
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IMHO Apple should (re-)introduce a 17" display to pair with the Mac mini. A smaller display (well, smaller than the 20"), same resolution as the 17" PB display and with the USB and firewire ports would be a big hit with the Mac mini crowd.

As for the 23" iMac G5, someone else speculated (before the iMac G5 launch) that such may be the plan. Having acquired a 20" iMac G5 and browsed the 17" versions at various Apple stores, a 23" would make a great system that much better, being HD not the least attractive feature. However, the price point may prove to be too high for the consumer and the market size too small to justify the expense.

OTOH there are some nice features of a 23" iMac G5: HD display, larger form-factor would provide improved cooling and/or could make room for add-on components (like a TV tuner).
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Definitely, Apple now have competitive displays for the mini but they need a smaller display - 17" still. The second I have enough money I'm buying a new 20" display, maybe 23" if my G4 PB will support HD.

rwmarejka thanks for agreeing with me!
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I think if you are really looking to buy a DELL 2005FPW, wait till July. That is when their quarter ends, and I believe this display will cost about 380 by then (its lowest price has been ~386 already).
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rwmarejka thanks for agreeing with me!

Agreed, a 17" display to go with the Mac mini (or whatever else you want to connect it to) would be a great idea. It would go nicely with my 12" PowerBook for example .
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Btw, the apple displays using the education discount are 699, 1299, and 2699, respectively.
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IMHO Apple should (re-)introduce a 17" display to pair with the Mac mini. A smaller display (well, smaller than the 20"), same resolution as the 17" PB display and with the USB and firewire ports would be a big hit with the Mac mini crowd.

As for the 23" iMac G5, someone else speculated (before the iMac G5 launch) that such may be the plan. Having acquired a 20" iMac G5 and browsed the 17" versions at various Apple stores, a 23" would make a great system that much better, being HD not the least attractive feature. However, the price point may prove to be too high for the consumer and the market size too small to justify the expense.

OTOH there are some nice features of a 23" iMac G5: HD display, larger form-factor would provide improved cooling and/or could make room for add-on components (like a TV tuner).

Yes, a 17" will do well with the mac mini crowd. This only proves Apple's contention that people tend to buy the whole widget in one shot. It also only proves my long-standing contention that regardless of that, people like the idea that the display and CPU aren't welded to each other. Total share of shipping units up from 2.6% of US shipments lat quarter, to 3.6% this quarter... three words: Told You So!

As for the 23" iMac. Easy as pie. When you bundle, you can't expect the same margin as for each product independently. All Apple's displays have a healthy margin, and the original 20" iMac sold for $2199, entirely doable for a new 23" model.

Also, The 1499 base SP G51.8 pMac didn't receive any upgrading. It's a so-so deal for consumers who don't need the towers features. This is not because Apple can't spec or price the entry pMac appropriately for consumers -- it's because they DO NOT WANT consumers to buy pMacs. They'd rather have a high-end iMac out there for well-heeled consumers, small though the market may be.

In any case, a 23" iMac might just be the last flourish of the consumer market AIO concept. If the mini continues to do well, and Apple continues to drop display prices rather than their old practice of dropping bottom line models altogether, the next complete iMac redesign may just be headless...
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post #27 of 31
I'm considering the Apple 20" @ $699, which is not bad,
but the DEll 24" 2405 FPW is really what grabs my attention.

Any clues where I can get the best possible price on the 2405?

I've heard they go as low as $850, but where?
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Originally posted by addabox
It's been pointed out before, but bears repeating: while the Dell may use the same LCD panel, it does not use the same backlighting system, which has enormous influence on contrast and color integrity.

Moreover, Dell's quality control has at times been less than rigorous, meaning that you might get a really sweet display for your money, and you might get something with more dead pixels than you like (but fewer than Dell considers replaceable), or uneven color and illumination.

Personally, at the new price point, I think it's worth it to shell out a little more for a monitor which has something going into it other than "how can we we can shave another 3 cents off this thing?"

Actually, apple dead pixel policy is worse than Dell (i know, i bought an imac with dead pixels and ran into apple dead pixel policy. I have to give apple credit in that although my display did not qualify, the apple store i bought it from replaced my imac anyway. Very nice of them to). I have no idea if dell would do the same.. maybe if you make enough noise they would but slamming Dell dead pixel policy?. You obviously haven't read apple dead pixel policy.

P.S. The imac that i was given as replacement had a dead pixel (the original had 3 dead pixels), so don't crow about apple quality. LCD's are tough. Every manufacturer has problems. i am sure Dell makes as much effort as apple to ensure they have a quality product.

As to the other concerns, i do not know if apple displays suffer from those also, although i have seen people in forums complaining about color on some apple displays. As to uneven illumination, i have to agree with you. It does happen.

BTW, dell monitor has higher contrast and is brighter than Apple monitor. I suspect that the Dell monitor compares very well with the Apple monitor. Dell is merely willing to accept a lower profit margin than Apple. While that is good for apple, it's bad for me. I wanted to make my entire system apple but couldn't justify paying 1000+ for an apple monitor (this was price before recent price drop). I ran out of money after buying my powermac.
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Originally posted by addabox
It's been pointed out before, but bears repeating: while the Dell may use the same LCD panel, it does not use the same backlighting system, which has enormous influence on contrast and color integrity.

Moreover, Dell's quality control has at times been less than rigorous, meaning that you might get a really sweet display for your money, and you might get something with more dead pixels than you like (but fewer than Dell considers replaceable), or uneven color and illumination.

Personally, at the new price point, I think it's worth it to shell out a little more for a monitor which has something going into it other than "how can we we can shave another 3 cents off this thing?"

true, true... however, have a look at www.anandtech.com latest apple/dell review and you will see that the Dell comes out on top regarding brightness and color fidelity.
post #30 of 31
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Originally posted by Matsu
In any case, a 23" iMac might just be the last flourish of the consumer market AIO concept. If the mini continues to do well, and Apple continues to drop display prices rather than their old practice of dropping bottom line models altogether, the next complete iMac redesign may just be headless...

That would be something wouldn't it? Keep the Mini as the switcher, it will always have less features, less power and less price. And retain a size that sets it apart from anything else Apple sells. Then you have the new (Matsu-invisioned) iMac that takes many cues from the Mini but one-ups it in all departments, and sadly also size. Still, I wouldn't mind a headless, slab that was larger (but not too) then the Mini but featured a G5. Sweet.

Anywho these Cinema Display drops hurt me so. I remember paying $1400 or so on my 20". Why do I remember, because up until a month ago I was still paying it Now prices have just, dropped. Cold. Cool for others though, and if I wanted an Apple-branded 23".

All this talk of cheaper, widescreen LCDs however got my attention. When I bought my Cinema Display it was basically the only game in town. Now that it appears 16:10 panels are more widely used others have got my attentioned.

Did see a Dell widescreen, looked like a 17", at the Mall today. Not very attractive. Price is probably astonishing, but then again isn't that Dell's strong suit?
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post #31 of 31
The Dell education store is selling the 2405FPW 24" HD display
for $899 or LESS depending on your discount eligibility.

You must speak directly with them over the phone to get the best prices.

I'll be happy to refer you to my Dell rep if you P.M. me.
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