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Apple today unveiled the fastest Power Mac G5 desktop line ever, featuring dual 64-bit PowerPC G5 processors running up to 2.7 GHz and including Mac OS X version 10.4 "Tiger."

The new Power Mac G5 line delivers improved graphics options with more memory and built-in support for Apple's 30-inch Cinema HD Display on the 2.7 GHz model. The new line also includes larger hard drives, a faster 16X SuperDrive with double-layer support and 512MB of memory across the line.

"The Power Mac G5 continues to deliver the ultimate performance for our most advanced customers running bandwidth- and compute-intensive applications," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "With dual 2.7 GHz 64-bit G5 processors, dual 1.35 GHz front side buses, ATI Radeon 9650 graphics, 16X SuperDrive with double-layer support and Mac OS X Tiger, the new Power Mac G5 is the most powerful and advanced Mac we have ever made."

Powered by dual 64-bit PowerPC G5 processors, the Power Mac G5 provides a 128-bit memory architecture, delivers expansion of up to 8GB of fast 400 MHz DDR SDRAM and supports graphics cards with up to 256MB of video memory. The top model features two 2.7 GHz processors, each with an independent 1.35 GHz front-side bus for an bandwidth of up to 21.6 GBps.

All new Power Mac G5 models come standard with dual-display support with either the ATI Radeon 9600 graphics card with 128MB of video memory or the ATI Radeon 9650 with 256MB of video memory.

The new Power Mac G5 line gives users new graphics options to drive Apple's massive 30-inch Cinema HD Display. The dual processor 2.7 GHz Power Mac G5 features built-in support to drive the 30-inch Cinema HD Display right out of the box. Available as a build-to-order option on every model, the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL high-performance graphics card can drive up to two 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Displays.

Every Power Mac G5 ships with a new, faster 16X SuperDrive with double-layer support capable of burning up to 8.5GB on a single DVD, 512MB memory and larger hard drives for up to 800GB of internal storage, all within the Power Mac G5's signature aluminum enclosure featuring computer-controlled cooling for quiet operation. All Power Mac G5 desktops deliver connectivity, high-performance I/O and expansion including Gigabit Ethernet, FireWire 800, FireWire 400, three PCI-X or PCI expansion slots, USB 2.0, optical digital audio input and output, and analog audio input and output.

All dual processor Power Mac G5 systems will also ship with Mac OS X version 10.4 "Tiger," providing advanced 64-bit computational power on a desktop system. Tiger has more than 200 new features and innovations including Spotlight, a revolutionary desktop search technology that lets users instantly find anything stored on their Mac, including documents, emails, contacts and images; and Dashboard, a new way to instantly access important information like weather forecasts and stock quotes, using a dazzling new class of applications called widgets.

Pricing & Availability

The new dual processor Power Mac G5 models will be available this week through the Apple Store, at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers. The new dual Power Mac G5 models complement the existing 1.8 GHz single processor Power Mac G5, providing customers with an entry-level system priced at just $1,499 (US).

The Power Mac G5, with a suggested retail price of $1,999 (US), includes:
Dual 2.0 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5;
512MB 400 MHz DDR SDRAM (4GB maximum);
160GB Serial ATA 7200 rpm hard drive;
AGP 8X Pro graphics slot;
ATI Radeon 9600 with 128MB DDR SDRAM;
3 PCI slots (64-bit 33MHz); and
16X SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD+/-R/CD-RW).
The Power Mac G5, with a suggested retail price of $2,499 (US), includes:
Dual 2.3 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5;
512MB 400 MHz DDR SDRAM (8GB maximum);
250GB Serial ATA 7200 rpm hard drive;
AGP 8X Pro graphics slot;
ATI Radeon 9600 with 128MB DDR SDRAM;
3 PCI-X slots (one 64-bit 133 MHz, two 64-bit 100 MHz); and
16X SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD+/-R/CD-RW).
The Power Mac G5, with a suggested retail price of $2,999 (US), includes:
Dual 2.7 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5;
512MB 400 MHz DDR SDRAM (8GB maximum);
250GB Serial ATA 7200 rpm hard drive;
AGP 8X Pro graphics slot;
ATI Radeon 9650 with 256MB DDR SDRAM and support for one 30-inch Apple
Cinema HD Display;
3 PCI-X slots (one 64-bit 133 MHz, two 64-bit 100 MHz); and
16X SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD+/-R/CD-RW).

Build-to-order options include up to 8GB of RAM, 250GB, 400GB and two 400GB Serial ATA hard drives, Combo (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) drive, graphics cards (ATI Radeon 9600, ATI Radeon 9650, and NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL), AirPort Extreme Card, Bluetooth module, internal v.92 56K modem, Apple Fibre Channel PCI-X Card, Apple PCI-X Gigabit Ethernet card and Mac OS X Server version 10.4 "Tiger."
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1st post! sweet i am liking being in my current time zone, PrimeTime TV time slot is about the time when Apple california updates the Apple store and stuff... ;-)
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So, basically they got a little speed bump, added more RAM and a bigger hard drive, and new dual layer DVD burner. Nothing at all on the cooling side or motherboard redesign/enhancement?

I'm sure the 2.7GHz machines will sell to those who make $$$ with their Macs and every MHz of speed cuts number crunching time, but otherwise, I suspect most everyone else who wanted a PowerMac bought one two years ago. From a fence sitter's point of view, there is no reason to buy one of these machines.

I cut Apple some slack back when IBM hit the GHz wall and Apple had to put in that radiator to keep things cool. But Apple has now had over a year to move on to PCIe - which CoreImage and CoreVideo will benefit from (if I'm not mistaken) and put in some other goodies on the hardware side. Sure, TODAY, these are pretty powerful machines, but in a year or two, when PCIe is REALLY replacing AGP these machines will be sad. IMHO, most people don't buy a machine for today, they buy it for the expected lifetime, probably 2-3 years. In that time, these machines will be eclipsed. Sad.

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.... Nothing at all on the cooling side or motherboard redesign/enhancement? .....

notice that the 2.5ghz "entry point" for liquid cooling appears to be still there. 2.7ghz is liquid cooled, while 2.3ghz is not liquid cooled.

so one might surmise that no advances have been made in this almost past one year... i am not slamming apple, i am just making a point, almost in admiration with apple marketing skillz.

notice there is no 2.5ghz model offered.
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The graphics cards have finally got rid of that nVidea! It's a good update - but I would have liked two optical drives.
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Originally posted by sunilraman

notice there is no 2.5ghz model offered.

Yeah, it has been overclocked to 2.7 GHz.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
The graphics cards have finally got rid of that nVidea! It's a good update - but I would have liked two optical drives.

The single 1.8Ghz still has it.
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The graphics cards have finally got rid of that nVidea! It's a good update - but I would have liked two optical drives.

nope... it's still there on the single 1.8ghz model for $1499

which is ironically also the cost of the 17" iMac 1.8ghz

so the single 1.8ghz PowerMac and the 17" iMac 1.8ghz have these in common:

-256mb ram
-1.8ghz g5
-600mhz frontside bus
-NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
-80GB Serial ATA hard drive
-single layer SuperDrive

hmm...
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
The graphics cards have finally got rid of that nVidea!

Look again. The 1.8 GHz model has this 5200 with 64 MB VRAM. Without a price drop. Shame.
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well, it is interesting to see that this update, well overdue (it feels like) was INSTANTLY demoted to second-teir status on their homepage below the tiger imminent release. i guess that's no big surprise, but i kinda expected some sort of image rotation thing if they really felt strongly about this update.

by the way, anyone also notice a link to apple's environmental policy on the G5 page? was that always there, or did it just appear following the comments by his steveness last week?

G5 Page (Look for "Design for the Environment" Link in Sidebar

Apple Environmental Policy Page
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Originally posted by PB
Yeah, it has been overclocked to 2.7 GHz.

are you joking or being serious? if it is just an overclocked 2.5ghz chip, after almost a year, i don't know, something very cynical i feel about apple's PowerMac strategy...
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Originally posted by sunilraman
are you joking or being serious? if it is just an overclocked 2.5ghz chip, after almost a year, i don't know, something very cynical i feel about apple's PowerMac strategy...

If it is listed explicitly in IBM documents, then it is a real 2.7 GHz chip. Otherwise, the possibility that Apple overclocked the 2.5 Ghz chips cannot be excluded (look also at the availability: 1-2 days).
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Originally posted by rok
well, it is interesting to see that this update, well overdue (it feels like) was INSTANTLY demoted to second-teir status on their homepage below the tiger imminent release. i guess that's no big surprise, but i kinda expected some sort of image rotation thing if they really felt strongly about this update.

given iMac g5 and iBook is in line for updates just about now, i think the rotation on friday will be Tiger/ updated iMac g5/ updated iBook

...maybe... updated iBooks, for sure is my guess
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Originally posted by PB
Look again. The 1.8 GHz model has this 5200 with 64 MB VRAM. Without a price drop. Shame.

I was reading the press release - I reckon these will be dropped later. Only 256MB RAM and an 8X superdrive - sounds like the iMac snow all over again - not updated just left to die!

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are you joking or being serious? if it is just an overclocked 2.5ghz chip, after almost a year, i don't know, something very cynical i feel about apple's PowerMac strategy...

Also it's not Apple's fault but IBMs
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Seems PowerMacs have the only changes... so far

Not even a RAM bump to 512Mb on the other models - something a lot of people were expecting prior to Tiger.

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Originally posted by sunilraman
given iMac g5 and iBook is in line for updates just about now, i think the rotation on friday will be Tiger/ updated iMac g5/ updated iBook

...maybe... updated iBooks, for sure is my guess

I doubt it'll be in the same week - or the same day as Tiger - unless the PowerMac was early because of Amazon?!
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
...unless the PowerMac was early because of Amazon?!

Their availability suggests that it is the other way around.
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I doubt it'll be in the same week - or the same day as Tiger - unless the PowerMac was early because of Amazon?!

yeah, amazon really forced apple's hand, and i think they would have RATHER announced all of this on Friday, and have the image rotation thing going, and then be able to show off EVERYthing with those people attending the apple in-store tiger events. kinda like "come for tiger, stay for all the new gear!" sort of thing.
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Originally posted by PB
Their availability suggests that it is the other way around.

yeah, i was just outlining the possibilities. I expect iBook etc. updates next week or later. I want to see a more substantial update to the PowerMacs by September - with two optical drives!
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I expect iBook etc. updates next week or later.

Likely. I expect Apple will leave Tiger alone in the scene for at least one week. After that on can reasonably expect updates.
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Availability = they're shipping with 10.4 installed, which will be released in 1-2 days. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally posted by PB
Likely. I expect Apple will leave Tiger alone in the scene for at least one week. After that on can reasonably expect updates.

can we expect reasonable updates too ?
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Also it's not Apple's fault but IBMs

Yes, because IBM held a gun to Job's head, and made him use their processors.
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Yes, because IBM held a gun to Job's head, and made him use their processors.

And the alternative was to be still using Motorola!
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If dual core are around the corner doesn't it make sense for apple to just implement a slight upgrade to the power mac range rather than make some big announcement, I've been waiting to buy a new machine for some time now and for someone like me who is using an old G4 these machines are impressive, I don't need to buy today so I can wait for WWDC and see what happens.. at the end of the day if they hyped up these machines and then replaced them with dual core with all the bells and whistles in a couple of months time I'd be pissed....
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You n00bs do realize that the operating frequency of AMD chips maxes out at 2.4ghz, right?


If most of the lines get refreshed at the release of Tiger, wouldn't that be an even bigger incentive to buy a mac?
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And the alternative was to be still using Motorola!

Or to switch to AMD or Intel, which looks mighty tasty right now.

I think they should have made valiant attempts at somehow getting four processors in there.
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If dual core are around the corner doesn't it make sense for apple to just implement a slight upgrade to the power mac range rather than make some big announcement, I've been waiting to buy a new machine for some time now and for someone like me who is using an old G4 these machines are impressive, I don't need to buy today so I can wait for WWDC and see what happens.. at the end of the day if they hyped up these machines and then replaced them with dual core with all the bells and whistles in a couple of months time I'd be pissed....

If IBM doesn't have dual core chips under production, then what exactly is Apple supposed to do? I HIGHLY doubt any PM updates will come out of WWDC. It wouldn't make sense for them to update a product twice in the span of several months.
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You n00bs do realize that the operating frequency of AMD chips maxes out at 2.4ghz, right?

They max out @ 2.6Ghz, not 2.4Ghz.

But anywho, speculation below:

If you've taken a look at prices for the DC Athlons and Opterons you've propably noticed that they are quite on the pricy side atm.The price for a dual dual core 2.2Ghz Opteron system from Levono/IBM will set you back ~$5000US when it's released (irc) in the middle of June, so all's "not lost" yet for Apple in the prefomance race.

But, the price will not stay up like that forever though. Once the fabbing capacety goes up for dual core, the duals will phase out the singles more or less, and at the same price points as their older single core counterparts.

<speculation>What Apple could do is release a high end dual dualcore setup (an xMac) in the same price bracket as the Levono/IBM offerings in June, and then let the Power Mac and xMac gravitate downwards in the pricing structure as prices for dual core CPUs fall. This way Apple will have a tower in the iMac bracket, broadening the market offering in that segment by offering power and expandabillety in place of convenience and formfactor. The xMac would take the pricepoint of the current Power Mac. </speculation>
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If IBM doesn't have dual core chips under production, then what exactly is Apple supposed to do? I HIGHLY doubt any PM updates will come out of WWDC. It wouldn't make sense for them to update a product twice in the span of several months.

So in that case should I buy now? When realistically are the rumoured dual core macs going to ship?
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Originally posted by g3pro
You n00bs do realize that the operating frequency of AMD chips maxes out at 2.4ghz, right?


If most of the lines get refreshed at the release of Tiger, wouldn't that be an even bigger incentive to buy a mac?

no you make them buy tiger and then woe them with a new machine!
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So in that case should I buy now? When realistically are the rumoured dual core macs going to ship?

September would be my estimate - WWDC seems a bit soon.
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A very nice price drop for those that want a 30" display to go along with their PM - the 30" works with the 2.7 PM. That's a $500+ price drop for those lucky enough to be able to buy one.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
no you make them buy tiger and then woe them with a new machine!



Indeed. Those disappointed in this upgrade are woeful now. (I know you meant "wow them".)
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A very nice price drop for those that want a 30" display to go along with their PM - the 30" works with the 2.7 PM. That's a $500+ price drop for those lucky enough to be able to buy one.

that was well over due though. You can't sell computers that don't work with your hardware out-the-box.
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If dual core are around the corner doesn't it make sense for apple to just implement a slight upgrade to the power mac range rather than make some big announcement, I've been waiting to buy a new machine for some time now and for someone like me who is using an old G4 these machines are impressive, I don't need to buy today so I can wait for WWDC and see what happens.. at the end of the day if they hyped up these machines and then replaced them with dual core with all the bells and whistles in a couple of months time I'd be pissed....

very unlikely dude, if you're up for it, a dual 2.5ghz g5 with 1gb of RAM will be bloody sweet...! compared to your old G4... seriously...

about the GPU: if you are unhappy with the GPU and are a serious gamer, get the nVidia ultra 5800 for $500 more when ordering

otherwise also Ati's got some mac offerings, see below, if you want more power than the 9600/9650 in the new g5s. you'll have to sell/ebay/etc the 9600/9650 in the g5 though if you want upgrade the GPU after you receive the g5 system...

all the best

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Indeed. Those disappointed in this upgrade are woeful now. (I know you meant "wow them".)

actually i meant woo!
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actually i meant woo!

freudian slip ;-)
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Originally posted by PB
If it is listed explicitly in IBM documents, then it is a real 2.7 GHz chip. Otherwise, the possibility that Apple overclocked the 2.5 Ghz chips cannot be excluded (look also at the availability: 1-2 days).

I really don't understand this sentiment whatsoever. Overclocking is a fairly precise term describing what a customer can do to a processor, after it is bought. Whatever CPU is shipped in the Power Mac is officially rated, defined by default, to be a CPU capable of running at X.Y clock rate, and Apple advertizes it as such. I can gaurantee you (meaning I'm very confident) that every single 2.7 GHz CPU shipped in the new top-end Power Mac will be stamped with a part indentifier indicating its a 2.7 GHz part. Otherwise, we are talking lawsuits.

The immediately availability would indicate the part yield is good. Apple could and should have done this 2 months ago. If the part yield is bad, then the availability would be on the order of weeks because of low inventories.
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If you've taken a look at prices for the DC Athlons and Opterons you've propably noticed that they are quite on the pricy side atm.The price for a dual dual core 2.2Ghz Opteron system from Levono/IBM will set you back ~$5000US when it's released (irc) in the middle of June, so all's "not lost" yet for Apple in the prefomance race.

Yes, Apple's bang-for-the-buck is still competitive. On the Intel side, Dell offers a dual-core Pentium 840, 3.2 GHz dual core w/800 MHz FSB and a GB of RAM for ~3000$. The dual 2.3 G5 should be very competitive with this machine. The 2.7 GHz G5 should outperform it for the most part.

The big problem of course is the lack of a pro 3D card (Quadro card) and SATA RAID. But on CPU performance it should be competitive.

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What Apple could do is release a high end dual dualcore setup (an xMac) in the same price bracket as the Levono/IBM offerings in June, and then let the Power Mac and xMac gravitate downwards in the pricing structure as prices for dual core CPUs fall.

I don't really see the point of playing in the $5000 space. They can just wait until Fall and deliver dual-core machines. They need to make that low end, unchanged single 1.8 GHz a dual 1.6, but they want to protect the 2+ GHz machines too much. Jobs just really need to subvert his ego and have Apple release a true 3-tiered desktop lineup with equal performance/price across the range.
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