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Apple's Jobs says Michael Dell should eat his own words

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It may not be the last laugh, but on Friday afternoon, after the close of the stock market, Steve Jobs, the chief executive of Apple Computer, shared an e-mail chuckle with his employees at the expense of Dell, a big rival, reports the New York Times.

The message was prompted by the 12 percent surge in Apple's stock price last week, which pushed the company's market capitalization to $72.13 billion, passing Dell's value of $71.97 billion.

Shortly after Mr. Jobs returned to Apple in 1997 as part of the company's acquisition of NeXT, Dell's founder and chairman, Michael Dell, was asked at a technology conference what might be done to fix Apple, then deeply troubled financially.

"What would I do?" Mr. Dell said to an audience of several thousand information technology managers. "I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders."

On Friday, apparently savoring the moment, Mr. Jobs sent a brief e-mail message to Apple employees, which read: "Team, it turned out that Michael Dell wasn't perfect at predicting the future. Based on today's stock market close, Apple is worth more than Dell. Stocks go up and down, and things may be different tomorrow, but I thought it was worth a moment of reflection today. Steve."

Since his comments in 1997, Mr. Dell appears to have softened his views on Apple, notes the Times. In June Mr. Dell conceded that if Apple were to open the Mac OS to other PC manufacturers, he would be happy to offer the operating system to Dell customers.

Still, Mr. Dell could end up with the last laugh. According to the Times, Mr. Dell's personal wealth still exceeds that of Mr. Jobs, despite the fact that Mr. Jobs also has a 50.1 percent share in Pixar Animation Studios that is worth about $3.4 billion.

"Last year Mr. Dell, who founded his namesake company as a college student in 1984, was ranked fourth on Forbes magazine's list of the 400 wealthiest people in the United States," said the Times. "It estimated his personal wealth at $14.2 billion."
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"Still, Mr. Dell could end up with the last laugh. According to the Times, Mr. Dell's personal wealth still exceeds that of Mr. Jobs, despite the fact that Mr. Jobs also has a 50.1 percent share in Pixar Animation Studios that is worth about $3.4 billion.

"Last year Mr. Dell, who founded his namesake company as a college student in 1984, was ranked fourth on Forbes magazine's list of the 400 wealthiest people in the United States," said the Times. "It estimated his personal wealth at $14.2 billion.""


Seeing how this is an issue of the valuation of the company, rather than personal worth, I don't see how that's the case.
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post #3 of 43
If i might paraphrase Red vs. Blue real quick:

Michael Dell: "Apple should go out of business."
Sarge: "Hmm, that is indeed an intresting proposal you have delivered to us. Simmons, would you care to offer our rebuttle?"
Simmons: "Suck it Dell."
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Who really thinks Dell wasn't taking a cheap shot at its competitor Apple? Dell had just been 'forced' to re-write its website since its WebObjects-based site (from non-competitor NeXT) was now being supplied by a competitor, Apple. See, if Dell thought Apple wasn't a competitor they wouldn't have made the website switch. But he did, so he did. And the Dell website still sucks today.

Since he's so cozy with Apple now, willing to take on Microsoft for them, maybe he should switch back to WebObjects so configuring a server isn't such a brain-poking exercise in frustration (sorry, you have selected incompatible items - please go guess which ones and fix them).
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Originally posted by ClimbingTheLog
Who really thinks Dell wasn't taking a cheap shot at its competitor Apple? Dell had just been 'forced' to re-write its website since its WebObjects-based site (from non-competitor NeXT) was now being supplied by a competitor, Apple. See, if Dell thought Apple wasn't a competitor they wouldn't have made the website switch. But he did, so he did. And the Dell website still sucks today.

Since he's so cozy with Apple now, willing to take on Microsoft for them, maybe he should switch back to WebObjects so configuring a server isn't such a brain-poking exercise in frustration (sorry, you have selected incompatible items - please go guess which ones and fix them).

But if they had a better web page, maybe their market cap would be higher and this thread would not even exist!
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In 1997 AAPL was trading at a historic low, and bleeding money out the rear for years at that point. Hundreds of millions a QUARTER. $708 million in one quarter, for example. That's what I call being in horrible shape.

Dell's comments weren't without merit at the time, though we're all better off having Apple around today, naturally. But it could have gone either way back then. They're lucky to have had the war chest to stay alive until SJ came back.
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Regardless, it was a nice jab by Steve.

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Apple has bigger growth....
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Well, Jobs, being used to eating his own words, on stage too, is just recommending a competitor to do the same. For him, eating words is nothing new or extraordinary: it's a routine.

Therefore, Michael Dell, welcome to the club.
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Originally posted by icfireball
Apple has bigger growth....

I would have to agree with this...strongly!

Apple has much bigger growth potential, while Dell can only go down from here. If Apple can seriously increase market share in the next decade Dell can only shrink.

I'm not picking on Dell so much...it's just that the last article I read listed Apple as highest in Customer Satisfaction and Dell as absolute last.

My sister (against my warnings) chose a Dell and have had nothing but trouble, replacing the modem once and the hard-drive twice and it's less than a year old. The 'techs' at BestBuy use it more than she does at this point. Now, she tells me her next pc will be a G5 Powerbook. Another convert to the Revolution, I guess.

And Dell says he would gladly offer the Mac OS on his product if only Jobs would allow it? Of course. He sees the writing on the wall.
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Friday the 13th was one of those days for M Dell - I think he was rather embarrassed with the situation, both because Apple is doing so well and because Dell's stock is going rather poor right now. The worst part is that the world can see that Apple is worth more than Dell. Shame, Mike, shame.

If you think about it, Dell can rather easily be replaced by another PC maker/distributor. There is nothing special about them - if they died today HP and others would fill the void with ease. Apple, on the other hand, cannot be replaced.

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Originally posted by kenaustus

It's the difference between being a real computer company and a parts assembler.

LOL.
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Apple should get the Dell Dude in its next commercial.

Dude I got a Dell and I flunked out of school!

I should have gotten a Mac!!

That would be SWEET!

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Originally posted by TednDi
Apple should get the Dell Dude in its next commercial.

Dude I got a Dell and I flunked out of school!

I should have gotten a Mac!!

That would be SWEET!


LOL... again.
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Originally posted by Mac~N~Cheese
Now, she tells me her next pc will be a G5 Powerbook. Another convert to the Revolution, I guess.

She's going to have a hard time finding a G5 PowerBook since Apple will never make them. I think she's going to have to settle with an Intel MacBook Pro.
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Originally posted by TednDi
Apple should get the Dell Dude in its next commercial.

Dude I got a Dell and I flunked out of school!

I should have gotten a Mac!!

That would be SWEET!

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I don't see how the personal wealth of each company's CEO has anything to do with who gets the last laugh. Besides... once your bank account hits 2-3 billion, who really cares?

And are the moderators gonna leave up Johnny's post?
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And are the moderators gonna leave up Johnny's post?

What's wrong with my post?

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What's wrong with my post?

http://www.broadwayworld.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=4575

Oh, I dunno.... but something about seeing 2 naked men in bed together just doesn't seem to fit here, ya know what I mean?
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Didn't Steve get paid like $1 last year? I bet Mr Dell didn't...
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Originally posted by ClimbingTheLog
Who really thinks Dell wasn't taking a cheap shot at its competitor Apple? Dell had just been 'forced' to re-write its website since its WebObjects-based site (from non-competitor NeXT) was now being supplied by a competitor, Apple. See, if Dell thought Apple wasn't a competitor they wouldn't have made the website switch. But he did, so he did. And the Dell website still sucks today.

Since he's so cozy with Apple now, willing to take on Microsoft for them, maybe he should switch back to WebObjects so configuring a server isn't such a brain-poking exercise in frustration (sorry, you have selected incompatible items - please go guess which ones and fix them).

How bad did it look when the compay trying to sell windows and IIS with their servers was using Webobjects...the pressure likely came from Microsoft, not an internal thing from Mike...
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Originally posted by Wings
Oh, I dunno.... but something about seeing 2 naked men in bed together just doesn't seem to fit here, ya know what I mean?

To be honest I had given up on this fanboy thread. But I see the point and it is fixed.

I can just imagine what fun people will have with this thread in the Ars battlefront. I really thought mac users had moved away from the "us against them" terminology...
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How bad did it look when the compay trying to sell windows and IIS with their servers was using Webobjects...the pressure likely came from Microsoft, not an internal thing from Mike...

Just as bad as when apple.com wasn´t hosted on mac os X server...
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Originally posted by Wings
Oh, I dunno.... but something about seeing 2 naked men in bed together just doesn't seem to fit here, ya know what I mean?

You could move the thread to Current Hardware

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Apple needs to convince people that despite their computer systems having a higher sticker price, in the end, you will save money by buying a Mac. For example through comparable iLife programs on PC, iSight camera, etc, etc, etc.

Apple should create a special cheap business solution mac and comperable Mac OS X for business that don't want iLife to come with new Macs, need special business/network options (Mac OS X Server?), and who need Microsoft Office includded for free.
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Originally posted by TednDi
Apple should get the Dell Dude in its next commercial.

Dude I got a Dell and I flunked out of school!

I should have gotten a Mac!!

That would be SWEET!


How about this: Dell Dude somberly looks into the camera. Admits he used to sell Dells. Then admits he made mistakes when he was younger, complete with flashbacks of him toking up in clouds of smoke. Lifts up a MacBook Pro and grins widely, "If I only knew then what I know now!"

Okay, it's a recipe for a Dell lawsuit, but one can dream.
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I'm bothered that Cnet's headline of:
Jobs suggests Dell should eat his words

turned into Appleinsiders headline of:
Apple's Jobs says Michael Dell should eat his own words

Actually, what Jobs reportedly said was a lot less inflammatory: "Team, it turned out that Michael Dell wasn't perfect at predicting the future."

Both headlines bother me as I view them as being needlessly sensational. At least Cnet used the word "suggests".

Just had to point this out.
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Originally posted by kenaustus
It's the difference between being a real computer company and a parts assembler.

Except that most of Apple's success in the last few years has spawned from the success of the iPod and iTunes Music Store, which don't really fall under the "computer" category in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Anders
To be honest I had given up on this fanboy thread. But I see the point and it is fixed.

I can just imagine what fun people will have with this thread in the Ars battlefront. I really thought mac users had moved away from the "us against them" terminology...

Things have changed over the last 3 years, since Apple has grown so much. 'We' actually have some worthy firepower to talk about.


It would love to see Steve make a notice about the Dell vs. Apple market value at a SteveNote.
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I'll bet Jobs would love to see Dell eat more than just words. LOL!

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Originally posted by soosy
I'm bothered that Cnet's headline of:
Jobs suggests Dell should eat his words

turned into Appleinsiders headline of:
Apple's Jobs says Michael Dell should eat his own words

Actually, what Jobs reportedly said was a lot less inflammatory: "Team, it turned out that Michael Dell wasn't perfect at predicting the future."

Both headlines bother me as I view them as being needlessly sensational. At least Cnet used the word "suggests".

Just had to point this out.

You're right. Parsing the words to make a more sensational headline is bad journalism. Good thing there are no journalists here.

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Except that most of Apple's success in the last few years has spawned from the success of the iPod and iTunes Music Store, which don't really fall under the "computer" category in my opinion.

Oh? How many iPods did Apple sell last year compared to this year. Or the year before that? Not all that many, and certainly not enough to single handedly thrust Apple to the point they are at now.

The iPod is a big success now, but this ship has been turning around for quite some time now. You can't resurrect a dying company with the release of one rather expensive gadget. There is so much more involved with a company the size of Apple that I can't help but chuckle at the complete naivete of statements like that.
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Originally posted by Wings
Oh, I dunno.... but something about seeing 2 naked men in bed together just doesn't seem to fit here, ya know what I mean?

agreed... Johnny didnt even say something inciteful like my posts (ill direct you to the "lol" comment). Moderstors please step in.
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Guys guys, it's not length; it's GIRTH!

/if this doesn't kill the thread...
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Even with a link to the original Times article, this is still plagiarism...
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Lots of things are plagiarised on the internet.
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Originally posted by soosy
I'm bothered that Cnet's headline of:
Jobs suggests Dell should eat his words

turned into Appleinsiders headline of:
Apple's Jobs says Michael Dell should eat his own words

Actually, what Jobs reportedly said was a lot less inflammatory: "Team, it turned out that Michael Dell wasn't perfect at predicting the future."

Both headlines bother me as I view them as being needlessly sensational. At least Cnet used the word "suggests".

Just had to point this out.

Steve Jobs: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What I said was [megaphone]How would you like to suck my balls, Michael Dell?[/megaphone]

Phil Schiller: Holy shit dude.
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Originally posted by rageous
Oh? How many iPods did Apple sell last year compared to this year. Or the year before that? Not all that many, and certainly not enough to single handedly thrust Apple to the point they are at now.

The iPod is a big success now, but this ship has been turning around for quite some time now. You can't resurrect a dying company with the release of one rather expensive gadget. There is so much more involved with a company the size of Apple that I can't help but chuckle at the complete naivete of statements like that.

Huh? Ipod sales have been flat for 2 years? Try, sales of more than 5 times as many than the end of 2003. Even with decent growth in computers shipped, ipod accounts for around 1/3 - 1/2 of all of Apple's revenue.
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Originally posted by xmoger
Huh? Ipod sales have been flat for 2 years? Try, sales of more than 5 times as many than the end of 2003. Even with decent growth in computers shipped, ipod accounts for around 1/3 - 1/2 of all of Apple's revenue.

i agree. further the ipod makes up close to half of their business, with macs being the other half and accessories taking a small piece as well. Counting accessories as part of the ipod would probably push it over 50%. This also mislooks the fact that part of the reason macs are doing better is because of the ipod, its halo effect and simply getting people in the door at an apple store.

oh and i believe the numbers were like 24 mil last christmas season and 45 mil this season (actually that may have been yearly, with 2004 and 2005 respectfully). either way, i wouldnt consider that flat at all (though even flat would still be great profits).
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Steve Jobs: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What I said was [megaphone]How would you like to suck my balls, Michael Dell?[/megaphone]

Phil Schiller: Holy shit dude.

This post totally made my day! Thanks, pal.
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