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Microsoft employees disgruntled over the latest Windows Vista delay are arguing amongst themselves over who is to blame, with some pointing the finger at the company's leadership.

The long-time Apple rival announced last week that it would delay the much-hyped update to its Windows operating system until November for corporate customers and early 2007 consumer versions -- effectively folding its hand on the 2006 holiday shopping season.

An article on PC Pro points to one disgruntled insider named Who da'Punk voiced his feelings in a blog posting under the heading "Vista 2007. Fire the leadership now!"

In the posting the anonymous employee complains, "I was upset at missing the back-to-school market. Now we're missing the holiday sales market. [...] So not only did we miss last year's opportunity, we're missing this year's opportunity, too."

In closing, the employee points his finger at the Redmond, Wash.-based company's senior management: "People need to be fired and moved out of Microsoft today. Where's the freakin' accountability?"

The tirade triggered a huge discussion amongst the company's employees in the blog's comments with several demanding that chief executive Steve Ballmer (remix) top the list of people who should be on the chopping block. One said "Being a 10+ year vet I feel ashamed and sad. This company is a mess on so many levels." Another countered with: "Clamoring for a bunch of people getting fired is a waste of time. Its OUR fault that this company is a disaster. You know who is responsible for our mess, US. Its your fault."

"Ballmer has to resign anyway. Or eventually get fired," said a third. "Under his leadership, we did not foresee the major evolution waves that happened during these last years: modular OS, virtualization, portable audio/media, [and] search. In all fields, we either lost, or suffered significant challenges."

The discussion also revolved heavily around Vista and Mac OS X. "Vista - I wouldn't buy it with someone else's money. Then again what do I know, I've only been testing the dog for the last 2-3 yrs," one proclaimed employee wrote. Another put it less bluntly: "Folks, the only difference between Vista and prior releases (back to at least NT4/Windows 2000) is the size of the [::expletive::] up."

Meanwhile, another poster claiming "inside" knowledge said Apple is preparing to stomp Microsoft with its next major operating system upgrade, Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. "Apple is preparing a big attack against Vista with Leopard. They are preparing this for over 3 years now," wrote the anonymous poster. "Tiger's under-the-hood improvements make it possible to keep any significant feature secret until a month or two before shipping."

Microsoft has said it is delaying Vista in order to beef up the security, but there are said to be major problems in other areas of the OS such as the Media Centre (MCE). "Why exactly is MCE so bad? Didn't anyone test this puppy before kicking it out the door and having another PM party?," asked one employee.

Nevertheless, the Vista delays already appear to be causing a minute domino effect. Microsoft also announced last week that it will put off the consumer release of Office 2007 so that it is in line with the new release schedule for Vista.
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This just makes Leopard sound even better! I can't wait.
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Looks like heads are already starting to roll:

http://www.informationweek.com/windo...leID=183702744
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Quite frankly, I think the only people who care about a new version of Windows are Microsoft employees. I don't think they've ever been successful at telling people why or how Windows X Edition is going to make their computing lives easier or more enjoyable. Come to think of it, maybe that's because they haven't figured out how to make people's lives easier or more enjoyable

I am however very anxious to see what Mac OS X 10.5 has in store, since OS X 10.4 already has everything Visa is promising to deliver.
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Please don't fire Steve Ballmer, we love his keynote!
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I don't think they've ever been successful at telling people why or how Windows X Edition is going to make their computing lives easier or more enjoyable.

Safer!! It's safer than that last one!!! And we'll get the security patches out to you TWICE as often... Talk about safe!

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Lets remember Jim Allchin is directly responsible for the SNAFU as well as the clusterfrack so lets all jeer at Jim Allchin too as well as that idiot "sepp" ballmer
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Originally posted by Cory Bauer
Quite frankly, I think the only people who care about a new version of Windows are Microsoft employees. I don't think they've ever been successful at telling people why or how Windows X Edition is going to make their computing lives easier or more enjoyable.

Didn't Bill Gates say that Windows 98 would improve a person's Internet experience?
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Originally posted by zizone
Please don't fire Steve Ballmer, we love his keynote!

yes! beat me to it.

absolutely classic.
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Those guys sound like us over here at AI.com.

Except they get paid for being fanatical and expecting perfection.
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I went and read the posts. Real scathing self analysis. I must be getting sick because I found the ranting highly entertaining.
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BRING!!

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ON!!!
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Oh, and,

MICROSOFT IS DOOMED!!!!!

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This Steve Ballmer thing is the most outrageously funny thing I've ever seen I'm my whole life!
He should have never taken his psychiatrists advice!
"Find a way to release your anger Steve! It's the key to true happiness".

He's gonna get fired soon!

Soooooo funny!
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Originally posted by zizone
Please don't fire Steve Ballmer, we love his keynote!

I have 4 words to you: OH MY GOD!

[edit] "Dearest" is the fourth word... OH MY DEAREST GOD!
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MAC OS USERS UNITE!
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I wouldn't be surprised if this marks the end of an era. No, not of Microsoft, but of closed-source desktop & server OSes. If so, we have Linus to thank.
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Originally posted by zizone
Please don't fire Steve Ballmer, we love his keynote!

Amway would love this guy.
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to be honest i dont know if i really want microsoft to bomb hard.

i dont want hackers and malicious code writers coming to our beloved platform.


regardless of what anyone says, osx could be hacked and we could face something like what windows users face.


i dont want that, i want microsoft to atleast succeed spreading that shltty OS around the business community.
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regardless of what anyone says, osx could be hacked and we could face something like what windows users face.


We would NEVER face what Windows users face. While viruses, etc are not impossible on the mac, the likelihood of them happening is still a lot less than that of microsoft.

Market share does not play as big a role as many would have you believe. I heard this straight from a security expert who actually works for MS.
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Originally posted by Splinemodel
If so, we have Linus to thank.




That's even funnier than MS saying they invented Windows.
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That's even funnier than MS saying they invented Windows.

Talk to SUN about it: they won't find it as funny as you do, I'm sure.
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Originally posted by zizone
Please don't fire Steve Ballmer, we love his keynote!

The most ridiculous part is that if you watch closely at around 21 seconds, you can see that he actually hurts his leg and shrieks in pain, yet still keeps going.

Here's a nice little collection of Ballmer videos:

http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html

The music video at the bottom is hilarious. I showed it to my wife a while back and now I can't talk about software developers without her breaking into the developers chant.
 
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That's even funnier than MS saying they invented Windows.

Yes, the open source ideals have been there for as long as people have been writing computer programs. But it took Linux to bring them from academia to prime time news. And seeing the success with Linux has prompted rethinking other areas such as education and medicine. So yes, certainly some credit goes to Linus and the momentum he unknowingly (at the time) got rolling.

I personally think it only works in areas where people are already volunteering time and effort (ie. where people have a genuine interest apart from making a living). But then, those are usually some of the most important areas (humanitarian-wise) anyways.
 
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Yes, the open source ideals have been there for as long as people have been writing computer programs. But it took Linux to bring them from academia to prime time news. And seeing the success with Linux has prompted rethinking . . .

Bingo. . .

And Xerox invented the GUI
And Aldus invented DTP
And open source software has always been around.
Face it, it's not always the first-comer that ends up making things really happen.
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Originally posted by Splinemodel
Bingo. . .

And Xerox invented the GUI

Xerox invented the technology, but Apple implemented it in a good way, Xerox saw that and some people left Xerox to go work at Apple. So Apple was the first with a good IMPLEMENTATION of the gui.
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Linux was the first, good implementation of an open source, unix-based desktop operating system.

Go Figure. I tell you one thing, though: hardly anyone has ever heard of Minix, and these days almost every house has something in it running Linux. I'd argue that there are vastly more installations of Linux that there are of Windows -- just not necessarily on the desktop.
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
Talk to SUN about it: they won't find it as funny as you do, I'm sure.

Yes, I find it funny. Closed-source this, open source that, proprietary this, proprietary that... These methods of existence don't compete with each other. They can coexist very nicely all in the same market. A product isn't better than the other just because one is open source and the other isn't. Lets get the right "why" straight.

Yes, we are at the of an era with regards to MS, but the one who is killing MS is MS itself and no one else.
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Xerox invented the technology, but Apple implemented it in a good way, Xerox saw that and some people left Xerox to go work at Apple. So Apple was the first with a good IMPLEMENTATION of the gui.

And MS was the first that made a general popular implementation of the GUI.

Between Englebart's "Mother of all demos", Xeroxs implementation of the ideas and introduction of the key concepts like the desk top metaphor, folders aso, Apple taking it to the marked and MS making it the de facto standard of human/machine interaction Apple probably played the smaller role.
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Originally posted by Anders
And MS was the first that made a general popular implementation of the GUI.

Between Englebart's "Mother of all demos", Xeroxs implementation of the ideas and introduction of the key concepts like the desk top metaphor, folders aso, Apple taking it to the marked and MS making it the de facto standard of human/machine interaction Apple probably played the smaller role.

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Originally posted by iPeon
Ya, and my mother isn't really my mother because she got her genes from her mother and...

So you are saying your grandmother is your real mother? The popularity of Windows is what made the GUI what it is today.
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I doubt about the form of journalistics here.
There are lots of news items about Microsoft on this website (negative items). Basicly the same message "Vista is late" is repeated over and over again.
This way the reader changes his view: Apple is heroic, Microsoft is bad. I think Windows Vista will be a very nice operating system, yes they've stolen a lot from MacOS, but let's not forget Microsoft is in a much more difficult position. They have to support a much broader user base. It's a huge company and that comes with problems, like mentioned in this article.
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Originally posted by iPeon
[B]Yes, I find it funny. Closed-source this, open source that, proprietary this, proprietary that... These methods of existence don't compete with each other.

Maybe you should start reading some tech news then.

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They can coexist very nicely all in the same market.

Not before they compete each other to the point of reaching that equilibrium. Products don't just find their niche the first day they're announced. They compete, sometimes for years (decades) until they find one niche market that they can call "their own". Only then does coexistence become a reality; Apple vs. Microsoft, for example. Apple has a niche and that niche will always bring money to Apple. Microsoft has the bigger share and they coexist just fine, to the point of Microsoft porting their software to the Mac, but not Linux.

Why not Linux? Because they see it as a direct threat to their status and business. And because they see it as such, they sponsor all these "studies" (Get the Facts campaign) to spread FUD about Linux. When's the last time they sponsored such "studies" about OS X?

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A product isn't better than the other just because one is open source and the other isn't.

It isn't necessarily better, but as is widely known, "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow."

These days open source software is present in every area of life, more so than Windows or anything else. TiVO? Check. Oracle? Check. MySQL? Check. Firefox? Check. These are apps that either dominate their markets, or are going head to head with the competition (Firefox vs. IE for example).

An open source project will not be necessarily better or more widely used (GIMP vs. Photoshop), but the concept of having 2000 people review the code, contribute patches to it, and evangelize it as opposed to 20 who do it because they're required to do it, is not a concept that is inferior to the commercial model.

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Lets get the right "why" straight.

I don't think you've established the right "why".

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Yes, we are at the of an era with regards to MS, but the one who is killing MS is MS itself and no one else.

While there are internal problems at Microsoft, and many of them translate to poor software, one cannot say that MS is killing itself without giving some of the credit to their direct competitors.
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Originally posted by zizone
Please don't fire Steve Ballmer, we love his keynote!

I can't believe it. This is a funky mock-up with
underpaid hollywood stand-ins, is it not?
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Originally posted by zizone
Please don't fire Steve Ballmer, we love his keynote!

A filthy rich slug on steroids; priceless.

Apple should link to this as their 11th reason to Switch: Look what using Windows (aka Mindblows) doees to you!

A mispelling lead me to this "new" iPod ad:

http://www.macboy.com/cartoons/ballmer/

 

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post #36 of 49
This is Apple's chance to strike big.

Vista...codename Longh... Copland.
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Originally posted by Vox Barbara
I can't believe it. This is a funky mock-up with
underpaid hollywood stand-ins, is it not?



hah ha ha ha ha hi voxy it's true, it's real. that really is Steve Ballmer search around the 'net. it's not made up.

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post #38 of 49
Voxy don't forget to check this out http://www.macboy.com/cartoons/ballmer/ now that you've seen the keynote video.
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Originally posted by Anders
And MS was the first that made a general popular implementation of the GUI.

Between Englebart's "Mother of all demos", Xeroxs implementation of the ideas and introduction of the key concepts like the desk top metaphor, folders aso, Apple taking it to the marked and MS making it the de facto standard of human/machine interaction Apple probably played the smaller role.

MS made it the de facto standard of human/machine interaction because they stole the GUI concepts that Apple innovated.

It's all speculation really. Who got what idea from who and when? But IMHO, I think that today's GUI standards would be very different today had Apple not been a player, as evidenced by the fact that Apple STILL holds the bar that all others strive to.
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Voxy don't forget to check this out http://www.macboy.com/cartoons/ballmer/ now that you've seen the keynote video.

Jesus Christ, an' now who is paying my keyboard,
which i just cracked with my forehead?

[Well i ever thought S.Js distortion field is barely
acceptable... but ... blow me...]

Btw what is S.BallMer. doing for a living?
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