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Following Apple's earnings announcement on Wednesday, analysts for PiperJaffray weighed in with their predictions what new products may be in the company's pipeline and when they may first appear.

Analyst Gene Munster told clients on Thursday he expects Apple will launch higher capacity iPod nanos and a new video iPod later this year.

"Last night, Portal Player announced that its PP5021 SoC, which will be available in the second half of 2006, has not been selected for use on mid-range and high-range flash-based iPods," the analyst said in a research note. Munster believes the announcement provides some confirmation that Apple will indeed launch higher capacity iPod nanos, such as 8GB and 10GB models, later this year.

"We expect to see a higher capacity iPod nano in the market in late summer or early fall," the analyst wrote. "Releasing new nanos during the back-to-school timeframe would allow Apple to capitalize on this seasonally stronger buying period, but, more importantly, we need to see the products in the market by October-November to take full advantage of holiday buying."

While Munster does expect Apple to launch a large screen video iPod at some point, he said it's difficult to pin-point the timing of such a rollout. "Apple's strategy could be to wait for increased availability of video content on iTunes, such as feature film, which would likely cause the company to hold back on launching in 2006," he said.

Meanwhile, Munster predicts Apple will not announce an Intel iBook (MacBook) until July, seeing as Apple said its strong educational buying months fall between July and September. "Also," the analyst said, "Apple's guidance for the June quarter does not appear to factor in an uptick in iBook, adding to our confidence that the new iBook won't ship until July."

Due to the fact that many professionals are awaiting on Intel-native Adobe software before upgrading to Apple's new Intel Macs, Munster does not expect a new PowerMac until the fall months of Sept. through Nov.

The analyst also predicts Apple will ship Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard at Macworld in January 2007 and says Boot Camp will be "the most significant new feature" in the operating system update.

PiperJaffray maintains an Outperform rating on Apple shares with a price target of $99.
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So basically he knows as much as the rest of us. And he's wrong about the MacBook's! Pure genius. Oh and forgot to mention, he has no clue what goes on behind the scenes at apple, and likes taking educated guesses. Although that probably wouldn't sound so good to (his) clients.
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I don't get the video iPod. Sorry folks. I'm sure Apple is planning it. But I just don't get it. I just don't see a huge market (like iPod) for people that want/need to watch video on the go. NOTE: I'm saying not HUGE...I'm not saying NO market.

It seems to me the huge market for video is in the home. Hooked up to my TV.

Will Apple go this route?

I have long suspected that they will (Mac mini + Front Row as the basic platform). But all I hear about is video iPod. Unless there is something else to this thing than we already expect (doubtful)...it seems like a potentially disappointing product.

I see two new directions Apple can go from where they are now:

iPhone: really slick mobile phone, service, etc. probably with iPod music capabilities too.

iTV (whatever the heck you want to call it): (cheaper) Mac mini + Front Row + iTunes video store hooked to the TV set at home.

Two areas with strong potential for growth.
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Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
I don't get the video iPod. Sorry folks. I'm sure Apple is planning it. But I just don't get it. I just don't see a huge market (like iPod) for people that want/need to watch video on the go. NOTE: I'm saying not HUGE...I'm not saying NO market.

It seems to me the huge market for video is in the home. Hooked up to my TV.

Will Apple go this route?

I have long suspected that they will (Mac mini + Front Row as the basic platform). But all I hear about is video iPod. Unless there is something else to this thing than we already expect (doubtful)...it seems like a potentially disappointing product.

I see two new directions Apple can go from where they are now:

iPhone: really slick mobile phone, service, etc. probably with iPod music capabilities too.

iTV (whatever the heck you want to call it): (cheaper) Mac mini + Front Row + iTunes video store hooked to the TV set at home.

Two areas with strong potential for growth.

The iPod video has been for sale for a while, and it sells pretty well. It's just a higher capacity iPod that plays video. My next iPod is going to be one. I have a few video pod-casts that I subscribe to that I watch on my computer now, but I would prefer to be able to watch them daily at work on my lunch break. There are a few people at my work that have them, and everybody wants one. More so than the guy that has the PSP which I thought was interesting.
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Chris I agreed with you.
Even thought an Ipod with larger screen will be welcome. I have never understood the excitement of watching video on a tiny screen. It's fun but I rather watch video on a larger screen.

I rather have a DVR solution that can integrate my songs, photos and videos with my entertainment system. That will be a killer market for Apple.
The Iphone too could be a great market too.

The video ipod is nice, but the ipod still for me as mainly a music device. I would like Apple to figure out a way to input data while on the road. Sort like a PDA. It would useful specially for calendars, contact, etc.

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Someting like this?



Yes I think it's cool as sh*t too. Just make it a bit bigger, and I'll have my Mac Tablet Pro.
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So basically he knows as much as the rest of us. And he's wrong about the MacBook's! Pure genius. Oh and forgot to mention, he has no clue what goes on behind the scenes at apple, and likes taking educated guesses. Although that probably wouldn't sound so good to (his) clients.

You know nothing about the MacBooks. Rumors are flying all around. Don't pretend that they are facts.

How do you know that he knows nothing about what goes on at Apple? Do you?
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Someting like this?



Yes I think it's cool as sh*t too. Just make it a bit bigger, and I'll have my Mac Tablet Pro.

That looks a lot like the HTC 6700 Windows phone that I almost bought. Except that the HTC has some controls on the vertical bottom part, like a Palm device.

If Apple had something like this that ran OS X Lite, I would buy it right away.
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As for the video iPod. You have to admit that having season 1 of Jackass for $8.99 in your pocket to laugh at would be gas.

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Jackass Season3 $9.99
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As for the video iPod. You have to admit that having season 1 of Jackass for $8.99 in your pocket to laugh at would be gas.

ITMS
Jackass Season1 $8.99
Jackass Season2 $8.99
Jackass Season3 $9.99

Oh lord, I hope you're not one of those who try those stunts.
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Here's what I expect out of the iPod based on what we've seen so far.

We believe that Apple has a 'widescreen' iPod in the works and it makes sense. I'm not sure Apple will have an iPod that is one large screen with a touchpad, however, I know I get annoyed when I see fingerprints anywhere on my iPod, never mind the screen.

We know that the current iPod dock can currently be used to show videos on a TV via a standard AV cable. This lets you watch the content that you download on a larger screen.

We also believe that Apple is looking to move into full length movie downloads. It's not that big of a leap from albums or seasons of TV shows to movies.

Putting all of these things together, I believe Apple will release the Widescreen (H.264) iPod and TV/Movie downloads from the iTunes Music Store will be avaiable in High Definition (if available). The iPod dock will be upgraded to allow for either component or HDMI connections. All of a sudden, you have a device that can display television shows in High Definition on your TV via the iPod dock and also have a standard iPod version for on the go.

The major issue here is that these movies will take up huge amounts of storage space, I'm not sure how Apple will deal with this. A hard drive with more than 60 GB of storage space will help, but for something like this to succeed, it might require a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD burner in the Power Macs to help store downloads.

That's what I'm thinking.....
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I agree with most of that. I hope apple does a proper job, of the movie thing. It's a trick space, with some fickle tech issues. One can hope, because to tell you the truth, I wouldn't watch a movie at the current quality on my T.V. No way José. Despite what others have said the quality is less than VCR quality. I find it hard to believe that we'll see HD. Very hard to believe! But DVD would do for a start. Any less for a movie, I'm not buying. Why would I, when the rental is just down the road.
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My Sony camcorder has a touchscreen for the LCD viewer, I've touched it for playback/menu many times possibly with greasy fingers, and I can't ever see my fingerprints on it. So I'm not convinced that a touchscreen has to reveal fingerprints, at least across the general viewing angle.

And although, as Chris says, the home is the ideal place for video, it's clear that there is a market for mobile video - cars (back seat), buses, subways, trains, airplanes, waiting on line, etc. Not as big as for music but it's there.

Why is this important for Apple? Because it will differentiate and distinguish it's home solution from everyone else. Apple will not only make it simple to send its H.264 QT-based video around the house, but it will make it simple to download to its iPods.
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The major issue here is that these movies will take up huge amounts of storage space, I'm not sure how Apple will deal with this. A hard drive with more than 60 GB of storage space will help, but for something like this to succeed, it might require a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD burner in the Power Macs to help store downloads.

That's what I'm thinking.....

Storage is the main reason I don't get Apple's insistance with the movie studios that downloaded movies be owned and not rented. Aside from the fact that people will watch a movie many fewer times than they will listen to a song, there's not enough room on the hard drive to keep very many HD titles.

I'm all for the Netflix plan: All you can eat for $20 a month but no more than three at a time.
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My Sony camcorder has a touchscreen for the LCD viewer, I've touched it for playback/menu many times possibly with greasy fingers, and I can't ever see my fingerprints on it. So I'm not convinced that a touchscreen has to reveal fingerprints, at least across the general viewing angle.

That's true to a point, but when your finished touching you can close the door with the screen. Thus it doesn't need to be as durable as the iPods screen. More duable, more easy to see fingerprints, than I softer type surface.
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Storage is the main reason I don't get Apple's insistance with the movie studios that downloaded movies be owned and not rented. Aside from the fact that people will watch a movie many fewer times than they will listen to a song, there's not enough room on the hard drive to keep very many HD titles.

I'm all for the Netflix plan: All you can eat for $20 a month but no more than three at a time.

They might have that option, but the majority prefer one off payments.
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I don't get the video iPod. Sorry folks. I'm sure Apple is planning it. But I just don't get it. I just don't see a huge market (like iPod) for people that want/need to watch video on the go. NOTE: I'm saying not HUGE...I'm not saying NO market.

It seems to me the huge market for video is in the home. Hooked up to my TV.


Chris,

I have to agree and disagree with you here.

I used to think that watching video on the ipod was stupid. That was until my wife bought me a new ipod. I loaded 2 seasons of battlestar galactica and was able to watch the vid on a NY to California trip recently. Yes, I think front row will be bigger but, don't discount the moms who need to keep their kids occupied in waiting rooms and travelers like myself. Video will be huge no matter which platform you keep it loaded on.
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Storage is the main reason I don't get Apple's insistance with the movie studios that downloaded movies be owned and not rented.

I think the issue here is that Apple is trying to accomplish two things at once:

1. Differentiate from Netflix and video stores.

( If they provided DVD-quality, they are differentiating from a purchase through "convenience" theoretically...though maybe missing out on the special features I suppose. )

2. Lock you into their service/hardware -- "Look, you've bought the videos. You can watch them whever you want! You don't want to jump ship now do you?!?!" -- with a rental model (Netflix, which I use, or video store) there is no lock-in at all. I can change whenever I want. Nothing "lost".
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Originally posted by onlooker
Someting like this?



Yes I think it's cool as sh*t too. Just make it a bit bigger, and I'll have my Mac Tablet Pro.

That would be ill but that picture needs a more scaled down OSX

I mean look at the dock! It doesn't need all that stuff! Just iCal, Quicktime, Safari, itunes, some notethingy, mail and maybe 2-3 other apps.

And I think it needs some buttons on the face for when it's closed.

Oh, and I think it should be mbp colour but white is mad nice too.

But damn if it was like that I could see people all ove this.
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That PDA looks so cool, wouldn't it be great if apple put everything on it, a phone, video ipod, Itunes and sync it to our macs wireless, that would wipe the competition clean!... come on apple!...... and a smaller version of its operating system for the PDA.



That's what i want, one device for everything.


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Yeah, something like the HTC 6700, as I mentioned.

Picture a bigger screen, and Apple's colors.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/zoom.php?p=808&g=1
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Yeah, something like the HTC 6700, as I mentioned.

Picture a bigger screen, and Apple's colors.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/zoom.php?p=808&g=1

Wow your right! Just find some way to make the antenna stub internal and make it apple white and or/mbp aluminum with OSX lite and we're in business.
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Oh, the video iPod with phone capability, PDA capability, iCal integration, OSX, amazing memory, unlimited functionality is coming alright, and soon, you may rest assured.

How, you might ask, do I know?

The Proof: For a week I have been the owner of a Verizon/Treo650. I'm locked in (by way of a painful premature disconnect fee) to the 650 for 2 years.

Finally pushed the button after waiting for the Apple Etcetera. The sun will come up tomorrow. Death. Taxes. The Apple Etcetera. My kids get my Treo650. I get an Apple Etcetera.

V/R,

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Oh, the video iPod with phone capability, PDA capability, iCal integration, OSX, amazing memory, unlimited functionality is coming alright, and soon, you may rest assured.

How, you might ask, do I know?

The Proof: For a week I have been the owner of a Verizon/Treo650. I'm locked in (by way of a painful premature disconnect fee) to the 650 for 2 years.

Finally pushed the button after waiting for the Apple Etcetera. The sun will come up tomorrow. Death. Taxes. The Apple Etcetera. My kids get my Treo650. I get an Apple Etcetera.

V/R,

Aries 1B

It's all very frustrating. My Samsung i330 is a very good machine, but it is very outdated. I was waiting for the New i550 which was a tremendous machine, but after being 8 months behind schedule, it was canceled, no reason given.

I almost bought the HTC 6700, but came to my senses when Palm said that they would announce a Treo 700p during the first half of this year.

I hope that it does come out. Otherwise the above design with OS X would be prefered, but, it's not likely that we'll see something like it anytime soon.
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Yeah, something like the HTC 6700, as I mentioned.

Picture a bigger screen, and Apple's colors.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/zoom.php?p=808&g=1

That thing is a brick.
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http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/zoom.php?p=808&g=1
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That thing is a brick.

I like the term 'Block of ice-cream'
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That thing is a brick.

It's not. It's almost the exact size as the Treo .I have held it, and used it. If you compare the size and weight to the treo, you will be surprised.

I hope this link works. It shows the two phones side by side with the specs.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/com...8&id%5B%5D=811
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The major issue here is that these movies will take up huge amounts of storage space, I'm not sure how Apple will deal with this. A hard drive with more than 60 GB of storage space will help, but for something like this to succeed, it might require a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD burner in the Power Macs to help store downloads.

Why would you need to store those movies locally? Internet has in some places long been fast enough to stream movies, and the rest of the civilized world is soon to follow, just make it so that, when I purchase something it stays in my account, and I can watch it over the net when ever I want and how many times I want. With some caching and bittorrent kind of technologies even the servers bandwidth problems should be fairly easy to overcome.
There should also be option to put them to iPod. 80gig iPod is enough, when one movie is around 9gigs(dvd) so 10 movies on go should be enough for most users.
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Originally posted by melgross
Yeah, something like the HTC 6700, as I mentioned.

Picture a bigger screen, and Apple's colors.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/zoom.php?p=808&g=1

What's with the antenna????? In europe cell phones haven't had antennas for many years now, plus that thing looks really cheap. I current have nokia 9300 and I'm loving it, if that sketch was ever released with proper OS I might think of changing, but with those pathetic toys no way.
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What's with the antenna????? In europe cell phones haven't had antennas for many years now, plus that thing looks really cheap. I current have nokia 9300 and I'm loving it, if that sketch was ever released with proper OS I might think of changing, but with those pathetic toys no way.

That's an interesting question.

People prefer phones without external antennas. That's why we've been seeing more of them. But, it's been shown pretty conclusively, that standard extendable antennas deliver the best signal. The next best are the stubbs. The worst reception is with internal antennas.

And, if you say that your phone works fine with an internal antenna, think of how much better it would work with an external one.

You certainly can't tell how cheap something is from such small pictures. In the "flesh" so to speak, they are not cheap at all.
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I'm all for the Video iPod in whatever future form factor, from a shareholder perspective, however could they build into the device a "motion sensor" that keeps the device from activating the video if it knows its rate of movement/displacement is beyond a certain threshold, ala riding a bike, jogging or whatever; and by knowing this makes it a "safe video" device?

That way we don't need to read about the moron who caused a five car pileup because he was too busy watching his video iPod while driving down I-5, etc.
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I'm all for the Video iPod in whatever future form factor, from a shareholder perspective, however could they build into the device a "motion sensor" that keeps the device from activating the video if it knows its rate of movement/displacement is beyond a certain threshold, ala riding a bike, jogging or whatever; and by knowing this makes it a "safe video" device?

That way we don't need to read about the moron who caused a five car pileup because he was too busy watching his video iPod while driving down I-5, etc.

For publicity purposes, that might be a good idea. But, what happens to the kid in the back seat of mommy's car? Everytime she starts or stops, the video would go off. Very annoying.

I just think that we have to trust that people aren't THAT stupid, that they would be watching a tv show while riding their bike.
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I rather have a DVR solution that can integrate my songs, photos and videos with my entertainment system. That will be a killer market for Apple.

I couldn't agree more. I've been experimenting with various third-party boxes and am quite disappointed. I've looked at Elgato's EyeHome, but it doesn't support hardware upscaling. I bought a Snazzio Net Cinema HD and it's a piece of junk. I'm returning it and will next try the new JVC SRDVD-100U. It looks promising.

Apple needs to produce a simple, elegant media bridge that integrates with one's iTunes and iPhoto libraries. It should be capable of playing VOB files, Transport Stream files, and DVD image files. They should also integrate movies into iTunes (or create a new "iVideo" - I know, the name is already taken - app) and allow the user to add metadata such as actor, director, year, etc. When accessing video, one should be able to view by title, actor, director, etc...much like the iPod/iTunes view.

This would be the KILLER app.

Forget DVR - unless they can add CableCard support. Otherwise it's pretty useless. But a simple, elegant, and WORKING network media player would be huge.

Apple, are you listening???

-Rob
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For publicity purposes, that might be a good idea. But, what happens to the kid in the back seat of mommy's car? Everytime she starts or stops, the video would go off. Very annoying.

I just think that we have to trust that people aren't THAT stupid, that they would be watching a tv show while riding their bike.

That's what preferences are for, correct?
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That's what preferences are for, correct?

But you negate the entire concept once you put preferences in, don't you?

That same idiot who WILL watch while riding a bike will simply set the prefs to allow himself to do so.

It's why Apple has set maximum volume in its European iPods, as the law there specs. After all, any intellegent person will NEVER set the volume too high, right?
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I want cool tools for my achitect's office

I want a 8" UMPC-type device for network admin & all around coolness

I want a 13.3" touchscreen tablet with the horsepower to run the ArchiOffice/FileMaker Pro database client, Mail, iTunes, Safari, iChat, iCal, Address Book, Preview, Word, Excel & a few CAD/design programs (VectorWorks & SketchUp) I also want this tablet to be dockable with a 23" ACD Database frontend on the tablet (touchscreen navigation) and everything else on the 23" ACD

I want the same for my principals, but with 17" touchscreen tablets & 30" ACDs Same horsepower & docking requirements

I want a stack of Mac minis & FW400 HDDs for servers (database, file/print, email, web, etc.)

Yeah, real Apple servers would be great, but they cost WAY to much!

Is that asking to much?!?
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I want cool tools for my achitect's office

I want a 8" UMPC-type device for network admin & all around coolness

I want a 13.3" touchscreen tablet with the horsepower to run the ArchiOffice/FileMaker Pro database client, Mail, iTunes, Safari, iCal, Address Book, Preview, Word, Excel & a few CAD/design programs (VectorWorks & SketchUp) I also want this tablet to be dockable with a 23" ACD Database frontend on the tablet (touchscreen navigation) and everything else on the 23" ACD

I want the same for my principals, but with 17" touchscreen tablets & 30" ACDs Same horsepower & docking requirements

I want a stack of Mac minis & FW400 HDDs for servers (Database, file/print, email, web, Open Dirctory, etc.

Yeah, real Apple servers would be great, but they cost WAY to much!

Is that asking to much?!?

Come back again in 5 years, and you'll have them!
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Come back again in 5 years, and you'll have them!

I would actually expect to see this within two years

And please, don't be a naysayer

(damned negative vibes, putting bad energy out to the universe, frackin' with the RDF)

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I would actually expect to see this within two years

And please, don't be a naysayer

(damned negative vibes, putting bad energy out to the univers, frackin' with the RDF)

;^p

Better to be conservative. That way it's less likely that you will be disappointed. Remember 3GHz? How long did we wait for that?

Oh, we're still waiting.
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