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Nothing on the iPhone that isn't already offered on WM phones, besides visual voicemail. I think companies will try to capture the interface of the iphone, but as far as functionality, the iPhone is lagging.
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Verizon doesn't make phones, but my prediction is by 1st quarter 2008, we'll see Windows Mobile 6 supporting as much as they can legally copy from iPhone's functionality as well as a Nokia phone running Linux with Opera browser, including Java.
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Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post

Page 3 of the Verizon document says that the iPhone doesn't have ring-tones!

Damn, it must be a bitch having a phone that you have to stare at for the visual cue that someone is calling. A lot of missed calls, I'd assume.

What a bunch of pansies.

-Clive

What missed calls?

You're just have to keep the phone screen in front of you while you walk down the street.

Don't worry though, I've heard that some of those accessories that are out before the iPhone is in the stores are neck braces to hold the phone in front of you, so you can use your hands to hold your other things, such as your briefcase.

There is also a heads-up display for your car.



post #43 of 111
"F-You Veri$on!, I want an iphone"

That's what I'm going to tell them....

Just as soon as that 2 year contract is up...........
post #44 of 111
I don't think you can, becase it says minimum contract requirement of 2 years, but my question is this. Would it be possible to convert my existing Cingular pay as you go plan to the iphone and then add a 2 year data plan?

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Nothing on the iPhone that isn't already offered on WM phones, besides visual voicemail. I think companies will try to capture the interface of the iphone, but as far as functionality, the iPhone is lagging.

Not that I totally disagree with you but the interface does bring along some functionality such as seamless integration of applications, multitasking elegance, and better contact management, conference calling etc. Although you may be able to do much of the same things on Windows Mobile, it is so difficult to remember/figure out that hardly anyone uses those capabilities.

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And I'm sure Cingular will be more than happy to sell you a 7 second ringtone for 1.99 through their Tones service!

Whoever wrote this, you obviously know very little about iTunes. Seeing as they sell an entire song for $.99, I doubt that Steve Jobs would let anyone more than double that price for a 7 second ringtone. Also, if anyone has been keeping up with the demos, they would realize that there is clearly a "Ringtones" tab in the iTunes interface. I for one could not be more excited about Friday and there is nothing that will stop me from getting my iPhone.
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I don't think you can, becase it says minimum contract requirement of 2 years, but my question is this. Would it be possible to convert my pay as you go plan to the iphone and then add a 2 year data plan?

Thanks.

If you do pay as you go, then you do not have a contract or plan. At&t will most likely require you to stop doing pay as you go and sign a two year contract. But according to the recent articles on here and the activation demo on At&t's website, you should be able to carry over any current phone number from any network.
post #48 of 111
Go to this page at ATT to find out everything that ATT has to say, including the rate plans for the iPhone.

If it's here, we'll know about it.

If it's not, then it doesn't exist at this time.

Not that tough.

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...als/iPhone.jsp
post #49 of 111
Has anyone seem anything on Apple Care for iPhone?

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So I guess all of those "Business People" using Wi-Fi with their laptops this whole time have been doing so with little or no security. Interesting . . . . .

WiFi security has always been a little dubious, but most use seems to be through open access points. Any access point where you don't have to enter an encryption key is "open" and all unencrypted traffic can be trivially intercepted. This is one reason why VPN is used.

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Who the heck owns a cell phone and isn't *already* camped out near an outlet?

For ordinary phones, this is unnecessary. My previous phone only needed to be charged once a week, my current one, about twice a week. When you have all this functionality with respect to audio, video, internet and phone, with a larger screen, then I think it's a valid concern. We'll see how well Apple's stated run times stack up with real use. If it's honest and their testing reflects settings typical owners will use, then it could be very good.

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I never take my battery out of my Blackberry, I just plug it in. The only time I take it out is when it crashes and I have to reset it.

Do the videos cover how to reset an iPhone? I owned an iPod that locked up and refused to reset, and I had a couple that took as many as five tries to reset, because of a lock-up bug in the 4th Gen ipods. Not having a real reset button and relying on the processor to honor a reset when it has crashed seems a little silly.
post #51 of 111
Batteries hold less charge as time goes by, right? Out of curiosity, anyone know what a user going to do if he had to replace the battery eventually?
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

What they say about WiFi is correct.

It's harder to find than you might think, except in limited areas.

It's also only a mobile technology in that you can use it outside the home or office.

But, you can't walk down the streets while on a call, or be in a car, on the highway. That's true mobile.

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post #53 of 111
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Whoever wrote this, you obviously know very little about iTunes. Seeing as they sell an entire song for $.99, I doubt that Steve Jobs would let anyone more than double that price for a 7 second ringtone. Also, if anyone has been keeping up with the demos, they would realize that there is clearly a "Ringtones" tab in the iTunes interface. I for one could not be more excited about Friday and there is nothing that will stop me from getting my iPhone.

wow this guys sounds determined. i dont know if i wanna stand in line with him. lol i will in fact be in line though. anyone else in the san antonio tx area? the more of you that say no the happier i am. lol
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What they say about WiFi is correct.

It's harder to find than you might think, except in limited areas.

It's also only a mobile technology in that you can use it outside the home or office.

But, you can't walk down the streets while on a call, or be in a car, on the highway. That's true mobile.

That would be a good point if iPhone had no other way of getting on the Internet. EDGE may be slower, but it still works, and is truly mobile.

So 80% of the time, when I'm home, in my office, or at a hotspot, I use the fast and free WiFi. The other 20% I use EDGE. Not a perfect solution, but better than you are making it sound.
post #55 of 111
I'm sure at this point Verizon and Sprint are wishing they would have considered requesting a device from Apple rather than refusing to synergize. I have been a customer of both Verizon and Cingular. The only reason I switched to Verizon was because my employer paid for the plan. Not the case anymore...switching back!
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Maybe some type of force quit built in.

So exactly like the iPod then. It has worked flawlessly on the 2-3 times in the entire lifetime of my iPod where it has locked up.
post #57 of 111
i agree edge is not terribly slow especially if its the closest thing you have to internet on a road trip or out somewhere that you dont have a computer much less highspeed internet like my ranch.
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I'd like to read what they'd be saying if the iPhone was coming out on their network. They'd turn around 180 degrees and be claiming it's the best phone in the world.

Exactly!

I also suspect the day will come when the guy at Verizon that told Steve Jobs to take a hike will be well known as the biggest idiot in Phone history. Kind of on par with the record labels that refused to sign the Beatles.
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Not that I totally disagree with you but the interface does bring along some functionality such as seamless integration of applications, multitasking elegance, and better contact management, conference calling etc. Although you may be able to do much of the same things on Windows Mobile, it is so difficult to remember/figure out that hardly anyone uses those capabilities.

No product is simply the sum of its features. You have to factor in the sexy.

I've used a lot of smart phones over the past few years, and the one thing none of them would be described as is sexy. The user experience is worth at least twice the list of functions. And right now, all indications are that the iPhone user experience is going to be a major slam dunk.

The iPhone is not the new Treo or Blackberry. That's thinking too small. The iPhone is the new RAZR, which sold multiple times more units than all smartphones combined, despite lacking most of these "functions" and costing $499 at launch.
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Batteries hold less charge as time goes by, right? Out of curiosity, anyone know what a user going to do if he had to replace the battery eventually?

My iPods are 4 and 5 years old and still going strong ... I assume iPhone uses even more advanced technology so I would not worry
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IMHO, solution is 3G

Yup!

But, I just read the specs for EDGE.

The top rate is 236Kps, but most networks hold it to 135Kps.

As ATT is upgrading the EDGE network to double those speeds they have, I'm assuming that they are going to 236 from 135.

While no wireless tech works at rated speed (usually at half, sometimes worse), one won't get close to that actual rate most of the time, that's true for 3G and WiFi as well.

So, it may not be too bad.
post #62 of 111
If you can't use the songs on your iPod as ring tones, do you really think Cingular is going to pass on this. Ringtones = billions.
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Originally Posted by atlguy3369 View Post

Whoever wrote this, you obviously know very little about iTunes. Seeing as they sell an entire song for $.99, I doubt that Steve Jobs would let anyone more than double that price for a 7 second ringtone. Also, if anyone has been keeping up with the demos, they would realize that there is clearly a "Ringtones" tab in the iTunes interface. I for one could not be more excited about Friday and there is nothing that will stop me from getting my iPhone.

If Cingular/Apple is expecting this phone to a big hit, which I think it will, I can't see how Cingular will pass up all that money.
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No product is simply the sum of its features. You have to factor in the sexy.

I've used a lot of smart phones over the past few years, and the one thing none of them would be described as is sexy. The user experience is worth at least twice the list of functions. And right now, all indications are that the iPhone user experience is going to be a major slam dunk.

The iPhone is not the new Treo or Blackberry. That's thinking too small. The iPhone is the new RAZR, which sold multiple times more units than all smartphones combined, despite lacking most of these "functions" and costing $499 at launch.

I agree my tre0 650 was far from sexy. you must calculate the sexy factor.
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That would be a good point if iPhone had no other way of getting on the Internet. EDGE may be slower, but it still works, and is truly mobile.

So 80% of the time, when I'm home, in my office, or at a hotspot, I use the fast and free WiFi. The other 20% I use EDGE. Not a perfect solution, but better than you are making it sound.

Of course. But I was responding to someone who thinks the opposite of your post. He was laughing at what Verison had said, which was true.
post #65 of 111
I've used several smartphones that I would consider sexy. I like QWERTY slide out keyboards. But as mstone stated, most of these phones are not user friendly. I haven't tried WM6, but I know in WM5, you sometimes have to do a google search to find out how to work some of the phones features.
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No product is simply the sum of its features. You have to factor in the sexy.

I've used a lot of smart phones over the past few years, and the one thing none of them would be described as is sexy. The user experience is worth at least twice the list of functions. And right now, all indications are that the iPhone user experience is going to be a major slam dunk.

The iPhone is not the new Treo or Blackberry. That's thinking too small. The iPhone is the new RAZR, which sold multiple times more units than all smartphones combined, despite lacking most of these "functions" and costing $499 at launch.
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as a workaround for no mms you can simply email a photo to the number@mms.att.net

ex: 5555555555@mms.att.net

this also works with t-mobile, but I don't recall the mail address.

1234567890@vtext.com is Verizon's solution.
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post #68 of 111
how many soon to be iphone users are windows users just wondering? i am mac all the way.

edit: i didnt want to turn this into a windows vs mac thing a simple "win" or "mac" will do. also i appoligize if there is already a thread for this in the forums.
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post #69 of 111
I'm a Mac computer user, but my smartphone is WM.
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how many soon to be iphone users are windows users just wondering? i am mac all the way.
post #70 of 111
I wonder how many people realise that SMS messages are sent, and stored remotely, as plain text. So much for their non-WiFi security huh ?
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Yup!

But, I just read the specs for EDGE.

The top rate is 236Kps, but most networks hold it to 135Kps.

As ATT is upgrading the EDGE network to double those speeds they have, I'm assuming that they are going to 236 from 135.

While no wireless tech works at rated speed (usually at half, sometimes worse), one won't get close to that actual rate most of the time, that's true for 3G and WiFi as well.

So, it may not be too bad.

Under real-world condtions, ATT claims their EDGE network usually will give 75-135 kbps, and apparently it can be as slow as 40kbps.

ATT's recent EDGE improvements are supposed to double that 'floor' speed of 40 kbps speed to 80 kbps, so that you're never slower than dialup, which is nice I guess. But its unclear whether that doubling also applies to their average speeds as well.

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post #72 of 111
Ok.. so its been established that for some, the lack of MMS really sucks. I dont send picture messages that often.. but when i do, i dont want to have to think of which carrier the person I am sending it to is on. That is the one thing many people are forgetting. you have to know this info in order for the e-mail solution to work.

Sure you can email 1234567@mms.att.net, or @vtext.com or whatever... but if you go down your contact list, do you actually know what carrier each of your contacts are on? I sure don't.

Say I meet this fly honey in a club... and we hit it off.. i'm supposed to ask her, "Hey girl, [yelling of course, since its loud in there] lemme get yo number... oh yeah, and what carrier is that? Verizon you say?, oh, ok, coool, " Then I'm supposed to remember that she's got VZW 2 weeks later when I feel like sending her a picture message. " LAME.

Not that I won't be in line for that phone come friday, but they could at least add such a basic feature every other phone seems to have. Thats like having a Bentley with no windshield wipers or something.

I still find it utterly amusing to watch these companies react to their impending doom that is friday the 29th.
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I also suspect the day will come when the guy at Verizon that told Steve Jobs to take a hike will be well known as the biggest idiot in Phone history. Kind of on par with the record labels that refused to sign the Beatles.


Verizon wasn't especially or uniquely arrogant, though. The problem, and its been a problem for a LONG time, is that ALL carriers are used to calling the shots. The phone makers are there just to ask how high they're supposed to jump.

Poor Nokia tried to buck the trend a little bit not long ago, and they got slapped down pretty hard for it. Truth to tell, Apple was a bit lucky to find a carrier who was willing to come down from Mt. Olympus and truly deal.

I think a lot of it was that ATT/Cingular was terrified of losing the #1 spot to Verizon, which was starting to look inevitable, considering how many more customers Verizon was net-adding then ATT.

So, in a way, you can thank Verizon for making ATT cut a deal. Another case of competition being a good thing. Too bad Verizon was too arrogant to do the deal themselves.

Still, this is a problem that may repeat itself. Word is that Apple is having a very hard time finding a carrier to partner with in Europe, and the same may be true in Asia. The 'carriers are gods' syndrome may still bite Apple in the butt, unless the iPhone is such a dramatic hit here in the States that the (arrogant) Euro and Asian carriers buckle out of sheer greed and give in to Apple's terms. \

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Then I'm supposed to remember that she's got VZW 2 weeks later when I feel like sending her a picture message. " LAME.

Why try and memorize it? Just add it into Notes.

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Under real-world condtions, ATT claims their EDGE network usually will give 75-135 kbps, and apparently it can be as slow as 40kbps.

Right. That pretty much agrees with what I said.

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ATT's recent EDGE improvements are supposed to double that 'floor' speed of 40 kbps speed to 80 kbps, so that you're never slower than dialup, which is nice I guess. But its unclear whether that doubling also applies to their average speeds as well.

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It should.
post #76 of 111
ultimatley i think email is a better solution then mms. a couple of reasons, first you can view it anywhere you can view your email, second you have a copy of it in cyber space, and i'm sure there is a few more. the only problem is the rest of the world doesnt have "true email" on their phones yet but i believe after the iphone others will follow making things better for everyone. as a mac user its not un-common for us to have to wait for the rest of the world to catch up to where we are leading them.
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post #77 of 111
As much as I hate it myself, I LOATH Verizon and I think Verizon needs some grammar/usage police on their ass.

A "Plug" is something that is physically attached to an appliance, short for "Spark plug". It completes an electrical connection between an appliance and a power supply, and has two to three "male" pins that are inserted into a "female" outlet.

An "Outlet" is usually inside a Wall Socket, and is the two- or three-pronged item you insert the plug into, usually said to be short for "Electrical outlet", although that could be said to be redundant. It is the supplier of electricity, and makes appliances and many other electrical things, such as refrigerators, televisions and computers turn on; these items can only turn on if their Plug is inserted, or "Plugged In", to an Outlet.

I believe the word Verizon was looking for was Outlet and not Plug, because you can lug a plug and never get a charge unless you plug it in to an electrical outlet.

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As much as I hate it myself, I LOATH Verizon and I think Verizon needs some grammar/usage police on their ass.

A "Plug" is something that is physically attached to an appliance, short for "Spark plug". It completes an electrical connection between an appliance and a power supply, and has two to three "male" pins that are inserted into a "female" outlet.

An "Outlet" is usually inside a Wall Socket, and is the two- or three-pronged item you insert the plug into, usually said to be short for "Electrical outlet", although that could be said to be redundant. It is the supplier of electricity, and makes appliances and many other electrical things, such as refrigerators, televisions and computers turn on; these items can only turn on if their Plug is inserted, or "Plugged In", to an Outlet.

I believe the word Verizon was looking for was Outlet and not Plug, because you can lug a plug and never get a charge unless you plug it in to an electrical outlet.

post #79 of 111
Who cares, they aren't gonna stop anybody from buying one LOL.

Seriously nobody is going to care what the rep says. Most of the verizon employees I know are going friday to buy themselves an iPhone as well because it looks hella cool.

I think that's the funny part.
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