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While the more cautious phone buyers have stayed away from the iPhone for numerous practical reasons, one report claims that Apple's handset is due to solve most of these problems with upgrades in coming months -- many of which will arrive with or before the company's Mac OS X upgrade.

A Palo Alto mobile user interface designer that regularly associates with Apple employees has reportedly been told that many of the features lacking from the iPhone are already scheduled as part of future updates, most of which should arrive on or before the October release of the revamped Mac OS.

Some of these updates may arrive within weeks. A true instant messaging client described as a mobile version of iChat, will arrive "very, very soon" and certainly before Leopard, the designer says. Customized ringtones were also set to appear within the same timeframe.

But fall 2007 is when the iPhone's features are set to expand in earnest, he adds. The iPhone will not only gain a disk mode for transferring computer files but should also receive a full-fledged file browser that lets users store and open documents. Its omission from the iPhone software made available in June was supposedly made primarily because the company wants a fully developed browser very similar to that found in Mac OS X Leopard, including the option of Cover Flow browsing.

Leopard itself will also allegedly include hooks for the iPhone, opening an enhanced file window in Finder for dragging files to and from the device. Like the iPod shuffle, users will be able to set aside a certain amount of the iPhone's flash storage for iTunes content and the rest for general data.

Microsoft's expected fall launch of Office 2008 for Mac will also provide justification for the critical addition of full Exchange sync support, according to one of the UI developer's Apple-employed friends. In what may be an expansion of Apple chief executive Steve Jobs's allusion to official announcements on the matter, the friend claims that iPhones will be able to synchronize with Exchange Server 'without the insecure IMAP setting required today.'

Less specifically-timed upgrades are also slated for the future, if the report proves accurate. iWork should be available in mobile form and will at the very least allow the display of Keynote slideshows beyond today's basic Excel and Word viewing in the iPhone's e-mail client. A simple auto-discovering file sharing system, "Spotlight-like" search, and widescreen typing should all upgrade the phone's core features at varying points throughout the current phone's life cycle.

The Apple employees are also purportedly aware of intents to bring in support for third-party applications, including Adobe's Flash. In at least the case of the animation plugin, however, performance optimizations and security measures are needed before it can be used on the slower and potentially more vulnerable mobile device.

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Welcomed news. By the time my current contract ends it looks like the iPhone will have an even better expanded feature-set. I've never updated software on any phones I've owned in the past, but with iPhone having an OS, updates themselves come as being more natural/accepting.
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How about sticking to the basics, Apple, and helping AT&T work out its phone activation process. It could definitely use a whole lot of bug-testing.

40 hours and counting!
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How about sticking to the basics, Apple, and helping AT&T work out its phone activation process. It could definitely use a whole lot of bug-testing.

40 hours and counting!

Dude, if you're still waiting after 40 hours then get off the stick and call the AT&T activation line. They can activate it manually. The number is 877-800-3701

If you're just here whining then don't bother.
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post #5 of 131
All this is pretty much a given anyway.
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Great news. I was starting to tear my hair out having read all the crap posted on Digg about how the iPhone is doomed to failure. What most of these people do not realize as always is..... Apple are in this market for the long haul. They didn't just release their final solution all in one go, that's madness!!!!

Loop Rumors (who I have a little bit of faith in) have been talking about Media centric (device) tie ins in Leopard for a 'long' time and it makes perfect sense.

Apple have released the basic features that we need and they made sure they were pretty much top notch and now they have a solid base to work on top of, a product they can build on.
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post #7 of 131
Will video recording be part of the updates?
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Well we all knew this would happen - Apple said as much when they spread the revenue from sales of the iPhone over two years so that they could add new features.

Apple have done the right thing in my opinion. Get the applications that work out there now for the initial release, but make sure that they're great, not just a check-item on a feature list. Add the other features once they're great applications, not 'okay' applications, and certainly not buggy applications.

I bet that some of these applications were desired for the initial release though, and removing them might have been a decision made when they dragged the Leopard developers in to sort out the project.
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TETHERING TETHERING TETHERING!

Apple, if you are listening, know that I WILL very likely buy an iPhone if you add tethering support and iChat. I am not kidding here; most of my disdain for the iPhone has been due do EDGE (which only felt slow because of bandwidth caps on the towers, supposedly), lack of tethering, and lack of SMS ability.

Come on, Apple, you can do it. Fill in the missing features and you will have even more iPhone users!
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"Widescreen typing" is currently present. I can only use it in Safari, but it works.
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I just hope one of these will be customizing the home screen.
I mean, how many people use the stocks widget?!

and file browsing would be awesome.
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I just hope one of these will be customizing the home screen.
I mean, how many people use the stocks widget?!

and file browsing would be awesome.

I do, I check my stocks all day long with the Dashboard widget, now I can do it on my iPhone.
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All of these might be foreseeable by most anyway, but man would they pave the way for this, the next great platform!!!

The key is the power of OSX - pure and simple. This also means that the iPhone, far more than the iPod is the pc publics real introduction into the Mac UI (spotlight, coverflow finder, drag/drop from Macs only?) and THAT may be bigger than anything else.

This means rich features and power management, but it also means longer development time for additional features. I would also hope that it would mean enough security in the future to allow more specific third party apps.

Man, if Apple can get two s/w upgrades in by Christmas, they are set to do alot more than 1 million in one year.
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post #14 of 131
Oh FFS!

Now even AppleInsider is at it. IMAP is not 'insecure' although how a protocol can be 'insecure' is beyond me.

Even if you meant 'not secure' it's no less secure than Exchange. Don't believe the Microsoft FUD spreaders.
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Man, if Apple can get two s/w upgrades in by Christmas, they are set to do alot more than 1 million in one year.

Isn't it supposed to be 10 million in one year?
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If file-browsing/downloading/disk-mode came in as discribed, I'd be beside myself. I've been totally impressed so far with the amount of NEW interface forethought that has been put into this product. It's just been utterly fantastic. More on top of this would quickly become unparalleled. Right now, having to E-mail a PDF to myself just to view it is quite frankly ridiculous, but we're in honeymoon phase right now.

It'll be a few months before I suddenly become irate and inconsolable about empty promises and a dimming future for the device. Right now, I just finished watching a tv show, listening to a podcast, talking to a friend over the cell, and browsing the web during lunch at the mall... all effortlessly with one hand. To me, that was more than worth the price of admission for now.

If only for legacy support, I think we need MMS in there.

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Will video recording be part of the updates?

In my opinion, I couldn't care less about video recording. I only hope Apple puts all their focus on these other things and doesn't waste one IOTA of time on video-recording. In my opinion, its an inappropriate distraction for a device like this. Photos are more than fine, although I hope the next one has a better camera... considering this one doesn't seem able to capture motion well, I suspect video capture would be a struggle towards us all being more miserable without enough storage to even record it well.

Voice dialing, dictation, web file-uploads, and web file downloads are going to be important too. Tethering is neither here nor there for me. Given what this one device can easily do, I'd prefer all effort be focused on its ability to network with other computers as well, via Windows file-sharing, or even Bon Jour. Effortless and amply capable are the two biggest things I want more of.

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"A device like this"? Cleverboy?

By this do you refer to the iphone as a multimdia device? If so then surley you know that whilsyt the iphone makes no effort to incude this other devices have specialised capabilities. I dont know why video recording isnt big in the US but its quite big over in Europe and if is to do well here then it must have it.

We wont be as easily satisfied with just being able to watch a tv show and listening to an mp3. We have been doing that for years.

No whilst you may be easilty satisfied by simple things like this in Europe we want things like 30fps video recording, proper blutooth profiles (the omission of this is really a joke, i mean what if you want to share a picture with someone you just took)

And whilst you may not find any use for video recording answer me this. Do you not think it would have made more of a sell for the iphone to have youtube if it also had the ability to shoot and upload video? The omission of video capture is almost a joke when you see the trouble they have gone to with youtube to get their content changed to h264.

"Yeah you can watch videos on youtube, but you cant take any yourself to upload and watch"

The iphone has got a long way to go before it impreses us over here.
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TETHERING TETHERING TETHERING!

AT&T does not allow tethering. Its written in the contract agreement.

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proper blutooth profiles (the omission of this is really a joke, i mean what if you want to share a picture with someone you just took)

Bluetooth has been a notorious entry point for breaking into phones. It possible Apple could add this function once they feel the it can be secured properly.
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Why wouldnt it be secure or safe?
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The iphone has got a long way to go before it impreses us over here.

I'd be willing to bet you'd change you tune once you've held one in your hand. Despite it's shortcomings or future upgrades, no doubt, the features will come, but even right now, "as is" iPhone is nothing short of amazing.
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Dude, if you're still waiting after 40 hours then get off the stick and call the AT&T activation line. They can activate it manually. The number is 877-800-3701

If you're just here whining then don't bother.

DUDE, you think I haven't done that yet? Try 8 times! I've logged *hours* with the chimps over in AT&T's "iPhone Activation Center". Some say the phone is already activated. Some say there's a problem with my particular account. Some say the system is just slow. They all say something different, but the common denominator is that they're all useless in solving the problem.

Calling customer service is just the BEGINNING of one's problems when trying to activate the phone. Check out the forums on MacRumors or Apple.com.....this is a disaster for thousands of people.
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I'd be willing to bet you'd change you tune once you've held one in your hand. Despite it's shortcomings or future upgrades, no doubt, the features will come, but even right now, "as is" iPhone is nothing short of amazing.

I have no doubts that the user interface is nothing short of amazing to use but that is of no use to me if I amnot able to do the things I am able to do now with any currentr phone.

Surley you can understand that logic.
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DUDE, you think I haven't done that yet? Try 8 times! I've logged *hours* with the chimps over in AT&T's "iPhone Activation Center". Some say the phone is already activated. Some say there's a problem with my particular account. Some say the system is just slow. They all say something different, but the common denominator is that they're all useless in solving the problem.

Calling customer service is just the BEGINNING of one's problems when trying to activate the phone. Check out the forums on MacRumors or Apple.com.....this is a disaster for thousands of people.

Exaggeration is not helpful to anyone. While we feel empathy for you, this is certainly not a disaster by any means (that would be like your house burning down, losing your family and watching your iPhone melt) and the MacRumors board is not filled with thousands of people with disastrous activation problems.

As an example there has been one particular poster, pjamac, that perservered for about as long as you. That poster found out that their account had basically been sitting stagnant for about half a day. They called the number given to you above, said they had to wait for about 30 minutes, and the person from AT&T on that number is able to activate you directly. Now the poster is up and running.

Keep at it. If this is the worst thing that will ever happen to you in your life, consider yourself extremely fortunate. Without exaggerating, thousands of us are wishing we had an iPhone that you have in your possession.

Here is a good link from a well known Apple dev that used the phone number with success. Good luck.
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/utm/posts...-01-13-00.html
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post #24 of 131
Getting back on topic and the reason I came to this thread...

Upgrades will be the huge difference maker for the iPhone as it compares to its competitors. One can seriously purchase the iPhone and have confidence that it won't be old generation within the 2 year contract. Apple has set this up in its financial reporting for iPhone profits and the news (rumors) that iChat and other features are shortly on tap is enormous.

The media hate will just seem like, well, hate after awhile...
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Apple, if you are listening, know that I WILL very likely buy an iPhone if you add tethering support and iChat. I am not kidding here; most of my disdain for the iPhone has been due do EDGE (which only felt slow because of bandwidth caps on the towers, supposedly), lack of tethering, and lack of SMS ability.

Come on, Apple, you can do it. Fill in the missing features and you will have even more iPhone users!

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While the more cautious phone buyers have stayed away from the iPhone for numerous practical reasons, one source claims that Apple's handset is due to solve most of these problems with upgrades in coming months -- many of which will arrive with or before the company's Mac OS X upgrade.

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Less specifically-timed upgrades are also slated for the future, if the report proves accurate. iWork should be available in mobile form and will at the very least allow the display of Keynote slideshows beyond today's basic Excel and Word viewing in the iPhone's e-mail client. A simple auto-discovering file sharing system, "Spotlight-like" search, and widescreen typing should all upgrade the phone's core features at varying points throughout the current phone's life cycle.

I would like to know when the ability to both take videos and send them (and pictures) through text messages is going to be available.

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including Adobe's Flash.

Please no. Flash is probably one of the top 5 worst things about the web.
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I just hope one of these will be customizing the home screen.
I mean, how many people use the stocks widget?

I'll be using it all the time to check my Apple stock... seriously!

Having bought in a long time ago, I'm a happy camper.

All of these updates will be most welcome, although I'm happy as can be with my iPhone. Each time I use it I enjoy it more.
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All this is pretty much a given anyway.

Yep. I expect to see a new iPhone OS X build about every week with bug fixes and a new feature.
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AT&T does not allow tethering. Its written in the contract agreement

Perhaps, but they easily *COULD*. Sprint allows tethering for the same price. AT&T should join the club and be more useful for its customers.

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The feature additions in this article sound a little too much like a "wish list." Some may happen, but I'm not holding my breath on seeing all of them.
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Please no. Flash is probably one of the top 5 worst things about the web.

Flash need to go away. I think they are pushing away from proprietary formats despite its ubiquity. I really don't think Apple will ever support Flash on the iPhone.


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I would like to know when the ability to both take videos and send them (and pictures) through text messages is going to be available.

I doubt it will happen. SMS is the lowest common denominator for sending a simple text message to an from a cheap phone. From Apple's POV they are generous for even includng this archiac and rubimentary form of text messaging. If you want to send images just use the mail client.. assuming the destination has a robust email viewer.


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Calling customer service is just the BEGINNING of one's problems when trying to activate the phone. Check out the forums on MacRumors or Apple.com.....this is a disaster for thousands of people.

I'm truly sorry to hear that. What a pain in the ass and you can't even use the iPhone's basic features until it's activated.

Segue... I was certain that all those iPhone training videos would come on the iPhone for use prior to activating and syncing. I was dead wrong.


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Isn't it supposed to be 10 million in one year?

10M through 2008. 18 months. It looks they sold over a 250 million in the first 24 hours. I think 1M in the first week and 10M before the end of the 2007 is doable . 1M units will give Apple a 0.1% installed base or an 80-85% marketshare for the week of June 29th.
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I just hope one of these will be customizing the home screen.
I mean, how many people use the stocks widget?!

and file browsing would be awesome.

I also have the stocks widget loaded up with a bunch of family owned stocks, and personal ones.
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post #34 of 131
Hands down, this is the finest version 1.0 product I've ever owned.

The predicted updates will be great, but I suspect anyone who has used one of these for a couple of hours is already sold for life. I'm one of those lucky souls who bought AAPL around $8 (it was actually $16 pre-split) and playing with this iPhone has convinced me it will double again before next January's Jobsnote. Happy days indeed.

Bring on the mobile file access (hopefully through .Mac and coverflow) and all sorts of other neat features. But if you are WAITING for this stuff before buying an iPhone, you're missing out big-time. This thing is a revelation.

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Please no. Flash is probably one of the top 5 worst things about the web.

Flash is just a tool. Its merit, or lack there of, all depends on who is creating the program. Hopefully along with enabling Flash, they will also provide a way to turn it off.

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2. Predators
3. Spam
4. Viruses
5. Identity Theft
6. Gambling
7. Software Piracy

Flash didn't make into my worst 5.

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well honestly with real 3d party apps, we wouldnt need updates. Apple updates would still be nice for their ease of use and intergation however, 3d party developers often produce very usfull apps. I also dont just want 3d party apps but entire 3d party OS support, probably will never happen. Either that or the ability to modify the current os with a tool like interface builder. While most people would continue to choose using the current apps and OS, these additions would also satisfy the more technical croud. This may also result in more problems which is probably why apple chose not to do it.
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Please no. Flash is probably one of the top 5 worst things about the web.

Java being #1
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As of July 1st it will be illegal in california, home to all those Apple employees with iPhones to use their iPhones in their autos UNLESS there is handsfree use.

That means Voice dialing, NOT touch dialing. How could they miss such a key feature?
They have the bluetooth headsets, why no handsfree dialing? It is a fundamental here.
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10M through 2008. 18 months. It looks they sold over a 250 million in the first 24 hours. I think 1M in the first week and 10M before the end of the 2007 is doable . 1M units will give Apple a 0.1% installed base or an 80-85% marketshare for the week of June 29th.


HOLY SHIT, 250 million units in 24 hours. That almost as if 1 in every 24 people world wide bought one with in 24 hours of its realease. Just imagine what will happen in the first month!!!


(yes i know you probably ment 250,000 but it was just too funny to pass up. Sorry for the jerk move )
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Please no. Flash is probably one of the top 5 worst things about the web.

Doesn't matter, Flash is out there on web sites. So your solution instead is to just NOT allow safair to render it?
Making a lot of websites useless? Not a smart idea.
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