Originally Posted by SDW2001
And that's what I think here. At it's simplest:
1. Iran is run by a (snip) theocratic, oppressive regime.
and so is the US! There is no
denying that one!
2. Iran supports terrorism world-wide.
Why single out Iran? Virtually every goddamned country on the planet either has, at some point, or is currently sponsoring terrorism. We have sponsored terrorism here on the grand scale, especially in Central America. We even have institutions for such activity, paid for by we the taxpayer
This administration has even hired people with intimate links to terrorism:Otto Reich and John Negroponte anyone?
3. Iran's President and Supreme Leader are very "anti-Israel."
So? Israel's leadership is very anti-Iran. Is that not equally.. um... bad?
4. Iran is developing nuclear power when they have ass-loads of oil already.
Why should that suddenly
be such a problem???? Iran has had a nuclear program for FIFTY DAMNED YEARS!!!!!
And they have shown, during those 50 years, ZERO intention to manufacture nuclear weapons. And, Israel has the world's 4th largest arsenal of nukes. When was the last time UN Inspectors visited Dimona?
5. Iran's President, has made anti-Irsraeli and anti-American comments.
Good heavens! How appalling....
When one's nation is under threat of invasion, or its cities threatened with being flattened, (possibly by nuclear weapons courtesy of the US or Israel by proxy), one might expect a bunch of angry rhetoric from that threatened nation's leaders. Iran has not attacked anyone in modern history. Why would they suddenly break with tradition and do something that is 100% out of character? In fact they
were attacked by US-sponsored Iraq under Saddam Hussein, and in 1953, Iran had their parliamentary democracy overthrown by the US (CIA) to install a freakin' dictator
So much for "who is the aggressor"....
Have not the US and Israel made numerous anti-Iranian
remarks? In fact, many of the movers and shakers of the NeoConservative movement (a political extension of the Zionist concept) have expressed irrational Islamophobic remarks over the years. Have you never heard the bile spewing from the mouths of Michael Ledeen et al? I guess thats when your ears close down?
How about these (relatively) recent comments from two high profile Jewish religious leaders:"The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure."
Rabbi David Batzri, (Magen David Yeshiva, Jerusalem)... [Haaretz, March 21, 2006]
and..."One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [front page, New York Times, 2/28/1994]
SDW, the insults flow both ways. You just dont want to know it......
6. Iran holds government sponsored "Death to America" rallies and calls us the Great Satan.
People in the middle east tend not to forget the past as easily as we do....
Words are cheap, especially when not backed up by physical aggression. Regard it as a way of enabling people to let off steam en masse, without doing any actua
l harm. They do similar things in Cuba and elsewhere: the Castro regime frequently sponsors anti-US rallies, and no harm is done. The point being.. these people are expressing their anger and frustration against the foreign policies of a government wildly out of control
, not the US people. There is a huge difference....
7. Iran is defying the UN with regard to their nuclear program
If defying the UN is such a terrible thing, how come Israel has gotten away wth defying some 60 UNSC resolutions in so many years, regarding numerus topics, with impunity every time? Anyway, I thought you hardline conservatives hate the U.N. as a concept....I guess that only duplicitous people reference UN decisions when it's politically expedient...
8. Iran is providing support for forces in Iraq, forces that are killing US soldiers.
Hearsay! Or fabrication?
This charge is led directly from the White House, that is a good reason to be skeptical. They lied about "no nation building". They lied about "compassionate conservatism". They lied about "protecting the Constitution of the United States". They lied about WMDs in Iraq. They lied about torture. They lied about Afghanistan, and yes, they lied about..... (fill in the blank). With a record of dishonesty that makes Bill Clinton look like Mother Teresa, there is no reason for anyone believe anything they tell us, especially when they are trying to drum up support for a another preordaine war, itself part of an agenda.
9. Iran's leaders have at least questioned the existence of the holocaust.
Not good. Bad Iran. Bad Ahmadinejad.
Yes the Holocaust happened. Some 5,850,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis. I hope that statement is not going to invoke Godwin's Law.......
The Holocaust has, however, been promoted as a purely Jewish tragedy, especially by the most visible organizations dedicated to its remembrance (SWC, ADL etc). Some 12-45 million people were killed in the Holocaust, depending on who/where one references, and what the time scale of the Holocaust was. Those killed included almost 6 million Jews, 5 million non-Jewish Poles, and several million others comprising Blacks, mulattos, homosexuals, the disabled, Jehovah's Witnesses, Romanies, Slavs... even German citizens who were against Hitler's plans... but these folk, for some unknown reasoning with those in charge of the Holocaust Remembrance organizations, are forgotten and ignored
. Most people in the U.S. (and many other nations perhaps?) have no clue that at least half (and possibly a greater percentage) of the people murdered in the Holocaust were not Jewish people. It looks as if there is plenty of Holocaust denial in the world, but its the kind of Holocaust denial thats never going to get any coverage in our media. Evidently, Iran is not the only offender when it comes to Holocaust denial....
10. Iran's president has made references to Israel not having a right to exist.
Israel has the right to exist, but the way it happened, with hundreds of thousands of people being forced off their
land into concentration-camp like "existence" in foreign exile, while the world's powerbrokers looked on in appeasement, was, and still is 50 years later, an international atrocity, a travesty of civilized values. In the circumstances, it is not surprising that there is animosity towards Israel. If Israel could behave itself and conform to the standards expected of other nations in the region (or the rest of the world for that matter), then the problems in the region would largely evaporate. 99.99% of people as a rule want to live in peace and harmony with their neighbors, no matter what race, color or creed. Unfortunately, "peace and harmony" is less profitable
than war and hatred, and many of those who would lose out from a sudden outbreak of peace in the Middle East are heavily involved in the decision-making re. the possibilities of peace. The point being, militant conservatives on both sides aim to preserve a state of conflict and unrest, while fooling the world with occasional, empty gestures towards peace.
Those ten factual statements are most significant. In fact, it can be boiled down ever further: Iran is a serious problem. So now we're trying to deal with with that problem. Diplomacy has been the approach to date, but we don't seem to be getting anywhere. So what do we do? Trust that they wont make a nuke? Trust further that they won't drop it on Tel Aviv? Ask them nicely to stop funding terrorism in Iraq and elsewhere?
Iran is a problem, because the Bush Administration and its NeoConservatives have decided to classify it as such. They have wanted a war against Iran (and others) since before September 2000
, when the "Rebuilding America's Defenses" paranoid screed was published. Rumsfeld himself told Wes Clark, 10 days after 9/11, that "we intend to take out 7 nations in 5 years". Taking out Iran is part of a preordained (Straussian) agenda, nukes, or no nukes. If you really want to worry about nukes, then Pakistan is far more of a potential problem than Iran.