Apple releases Apple TV "Take 2" software update - Page 4

Originally Posted by PatsFan83

Anyone know if you rent a movie over itunes (SD), will a rentals tab pop up on your appletv so you can stream it to your TV if you wanted to? Or does it only reside on your computer/iphone/ipod. There are cases where I would start a movie on my iphone, but would like to finish it on the big screen?

Originally Posted by neuby

The Apple really needs bluetooth keyboard support, or let us use my iphone as a keyboard, for you tube and searching movie titles or songs it's easier to type there keyboard layout sucks on the apple tv.

Originally Posted by teckstud

Hi. Does anyone know how to disengage the Apple remote from a computer? Every time I use the remote for ATV it's affects my iMac as well even though it's behind me! Do I need to completely shut off front row? If so how do I do that? I would prefer to just shut the remote off- very annoying.

Originally Posted by PatsFan83

Once apple starts loading up on library titles, this thing is gunna take off.

Originally Posted by Booga

Because most DVDs have DTS 5.1, which has several times the bandwidth of Dolby 5.1. And <i>it's all about bandwidth</i>. This seems like a hard thing for some people to understand, but generally the more bandwidth you give something, the higher quality you get. iTMS HD rentals give their media streams about the same bandwidth as DVDs... so if you upconvert a DVD to 720p (or 1080i or 1080p or 2160p or 17200p.. the output resolution is irrelevent) you'll probably get similar results.

Originally Posted by kjtooke

Was looking forward to being able to browse my movie collection by genre (and maybe search for a specific movie)...

Alas - Selecting a movie by genre only appears to be possible when you want to rent one. I guess Apple thinks most people will have no more than a handfull of movies on their system (I have about 400 now, having converted a large selection of my DVD collection to .mp4 and streaming this from a Mac mini)

Waiting on ATV Take3 . . . !

(and now after connection to my iTunes on the Mac mini the whole movie rental section seems to have disappeared completely...?)

Originally Posted by solipsism

System Preferences => Security => check Disable Remote Control Infrared Receiver

Originally Posted by teckstud

Again I disagree. The whole purpose of ATV is for videophiles not iPods. That is why it is not selling well because those who have HD TVs just look at the image in the store and with the exception of photos- it just doesn't cut it. Hopefully these HD rentals will help change that but it's not there yet. We can buy different quality in music already on iTunes and we should be able to do so with video.
It is true the iPod video came first but now we have ATV with HDMI, built for HD TVs.

Originally Posted by teckstud

Much thanks.
Can front row still be operated without the remote if I want to use it? I most likely won't now but it's good to know if I have an option. Or will I need to check this on and off everytime?

Originally Posted by thompr

Teckstud,

I think you do a great job of explaining why AppleTV falls short of videophile expectations. However, if you think that "the whole purpose of AppleTV is for videophiles", then I think you are sadly mistaken. Different strokes for different folks. AppleTV is not just for videophiles.
Thompson

Originally Posted by GregAlexander

My parents love the screen saver. They leave it playing in the background - so that the pictures float up the screen.

Does this screen saver still exist in the new AppleTV?
If it doesn't, it'd be enough for them to not upgrade.....

Originally Posted by teckstud

So use ATV to heat a croissant too if you want - it's all up to you. Different strokes for different folks.

Originally Posted by thompr

Teckstud,

OK, if you want to resort to absurd analogies, I'll go ahead and complete it: suppose that one day I found myself in the mood for a warm croissant and -alas! - I only had a cold low-quality croissant in my refrigerator. Suppose further that I had no heat sources (stove, microwave, toaster, fireplace, whatever) other than the top of my AppleTV. It seems to me that I have 4 choices: (1) I can eat that cold low-quality croissant, (2) I can use the AppleTV to warm it up and then eat it, (3) I can get off my lazy ass and drive to a bakery where I might be able to get a hot top-of-the-line croissant (assuming they aren't already sold out, ala Blockbuster) or (4) I can just go hungry or eat something else.

The answer I choose depends on how hungry I am relative to my desire for quality (and heat). If I'm not particularly hungry at all, I may choose option (4). If I'm only slightly hungry but have a serious Jones for a tasty croissant, I may choose option (3) and hope that they have them in stock. If I'm hungry enough that I don't want to wait or I finnd that the bakery is "sold out", then I'll go for option (2). And if I'm absolutely famished and just can't wait at all, I'll just lower myself to option (1). It seems to me like you are insatiable for the quality croissant (remember, it's still just an analogy) so you can't understand why someone would opt for staying home and choking down the lousy croissant. Let me tell you something: you are not representative of the average Joe. Many people will opt to stay home and get the low quality product, because convenience matters. Someday, when bandwidth increases, we'll be able to have our high quality croissants and a high level of convenience all at the same time. But that is not true today. So until the AppleTV can deliver me the hot bakery croissant, I'll still be loving it for the warmth it does provide. And every once in a while, I'll go to the bakery.

Cheers,
Thompson

Originally Posted by teckstud

Much thanks.
Can front row still be operated without the remote if I want to use it? I most likely won't now but it's good to know if I have an option. Or will I need to check this on and off everytime?

Originally Posted by solipsism

Command+Esc will enter Front Row. From there you can use the arrow and Enter keys to navigate.

Originally Posted by teckstud

Wow! It all works great. Thank you - thank you -thank you.

Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

Haven't had a chance to rent a movie yet, but if the HD rentals are as good as the HD trailers, I'll be satisfied. The quality is far superior to an upscaled DVD, better than most broadcast HD from comcast, but obviously not as good as an HD DVD/Blu-Ray. One thing on the HD trailers though, the load bar is pretty pointless; even after it's entirely loaded, the trailer still stops and stutters 2-3 times.

Originally Posted by solipsism

I haven't noticed any pausing or stuttering with any HD trailers.

Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

Strange. Hopefully the problem rectifies itself, or goes away when I replace our old Linksys router with a Time Capsule sometime this month.

Originally Posted by ramsey123

A feature that seems to be overlooked - If you start watching a rented movie late after work, then get interrupted and head off to bed before finishing the movie, no sweat. Pause the movie and go to bed. Get up and go to work the next day, come home late and head out for drinks instead of continuing the movie. Go to work the following day and when you come home two days later, turn on Apple TV, unpause the movie and complete the viewing. It wont disappear on you.

Your rental will not auto-delete unless you:

A) Finish it all the way, and 24 hours pass.

B) You jump out of the movie after 24 hours have passed and do something "else" on your Apple TV, as if you're done with the rental. This should quell the critics that scoff at the 24 hour viewing limit. If something interrupts your viewing, hit pause, and youre covered.

Those that want to test this theory only need to pause a rental somewhere in the movie and check back 24+ hours later. It will still be frozen in time and ready for rewinding to the beginning for another viewing. If you try to get out of the expired movie, Apple gives you a warning that This (expired) movie will be deleted immediately if you stop watching it.

Originally Posted by ascii

Sigh, the Apple TV is such an unholy mess.

Originally Posted by teckstud

So that explains the three 6's stamped underneath for my serial number.

Originally Posted by ramsey123

No, the option to pause a movie for more than the specified 24 hours in case you can't finish it is not a license to rent a move, start watching it, then do whatever you want for two weeks until you decide to finish watching it. The world doesn't revolve around you. The feature is a plus, not a minus.

Originally Posted by ramsey123

What you are describing is a video purchase, where you watch as many times as you want for as long as you want VS. a "rental" where there are limits to your viewing time.

You can see how Apple (and Hollywood) would want the two to be different experiences, right?

Originally Posted by iDaq

I live the UK and updated mine last night

Originally Posted by aresee

You are all making the assumption that the only way people watch a movie is in one full session. I watch movies in much the same way I read a book, multiple sessions. I watch a portion, go off and do other things and then return and watch some more. I would rather have a public library model of the movie being viewable over a week or two than the movie theater model of being a part of a one evening date.

Originally Posted by ramsey123

I can read perfectly well, JeffDM. Let’s analyze what you are saying, shall we?

What you are trying to do is rip off the system without actually saying it, or perhaps you just don’t realize your system is flawed. In your view you want Apple to allow folks to watch a rental movie until they have “finished it,” which means until you watch the credits? (We’ll assume you would want it to be all the way to the END of the credits before deletion, since you want everything your way.)

So days (weeks) later, when you finally leisurely finish the movie all the way through the credits, it’s OK then for Apple to delete it from your Apple TV drive. But in reality, you would rewind the movie (you wouldn’t dare take the rewind function from the rest of us, would you JeffDM?) and you’d back away from the credits as soon as they came up so that you could “fool” Apple into thinking you weren’t really done with it. Then you could still listen to music, and do whatever you wanted to do with Apple TV until you decided to watch your rental again, and again, forever. Whatever the trigger is for “completion,” you’d be sure to back away from it just in time, even if it meant missing the last minute of the last scene.

Originally Posted by aresee

You are all making the assumption that the only way people watch a movie is in one full session. I watch movies in much the same way I read a book, multiple sessions. I watch a portion, go off and do other things and then return and watch some more. I would rather have a public library model of the movie being viewable over a week or two than the movie theater model of being a part of a one evening date.

Originally Posted by teckstud

But until then - what is the HD option? Do you think we'll be able to hack these rentals to last longer?SSShhhhh!

Originally Posted by Mr. H

Can you at least say that if a perfect, intelligent DRM system were employed that expires the movie after either 24 hours or after the first time it has been watched once, whichever comes first, that that would be a good thing for everyone?