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Where the company's other XpressMusic devices use the feature-limited Symbian Series 40, the new model is said to carry Series 60 and so would support the same class of third-party apps as those for the N95 and other Nokia challengers to iPhone, although many of these programs may need to be modified to support the touchscreen.

Not true, the XpressMusic 5320 also uses S60
post #42 of 99
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Originally Posted by bavlondon2 View Post

2MP isnt that bad. It isnt great by todays standards but its not that bad. Infact wasnt there a poll taken some time ago from Flick which showed iphone users blogged pics to flickr ahead of other phones?

Yeah it is. I have a 3MP camera that I no longer use as I think the quality is just on the edge of not being good. Sony released the K810i in the first half of 2007 with a 3.2MP camera and their C902 out now has a 5MP camera. Their models page also lists a future one with an 8.1MP camera. 2MP is just old and I cant see why Apple included it except to save money.

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Right and I guess the iphone will stay at 16 gigs forever, I mean people are here trying to spin this as a good thing, something which should be included in the beginning, but oh I get to replace the cards, that's actually good.

No it won't but the iPhone you buy will do becuase you CANT swap the memory out! Hence why people are saying this is a good thing.
post #43 of 99
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Originally Posted by ThinkAdrian View Post

The choice of replacing a 16GB card with a 32, 64, 128 one (as they become available and cheap) is a GOOD thing. Some day the 16gigs of your iPhones might feel too little.

And you already know that it will support a card any larger than 16 GB? Where are the specs on that?

If 16 GB is max, then you'll have to carry 8 SD cards in order to have the 128 that you are talking about.

It's not just a matter of when and at what cost the higher capacity cards come out, the hardware has to support it.
post #44 of 99
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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

Yeah it is. I have a 3MP camera that I no longer use as I think the quality is just on the edge of not being good. Sony released the K810i in the first half of 2007 with a 3.2MP camera and their C902 out now has a 5MP camera. Their models page also lists a future one with an 8.1MP camera. 2MP is just old and I cant see why Apple included it except to save money.

My 5 year old 2 MP Canon P&S still has much better picture quality than my 6 month old 8 MP Kodak. If you aren't going to print out 8 x 10 or larger pictures, than the MP number is irrelevant.

Comparing picture QUALITY is where it's at. I don't have any comparisons, but just because the Nokia has more MP doesn't mean the quality is going to be any better.

As far as I know, though, the Sony's have better quality not because of the MP, but because of the image capture hardware and the lens.
post #45 of 99
Ok folks.

Apple will up-date the iPhone (they already have 2 up-dates in the wings). These up-dates WILL deal with issues they see as important to US!

- If a bigger better camera is important, and we as users, are ok with the fact, the camera will need more memory to hold these pictures / videos, AND we are willing to pay more for this memory - then Apple WILL up-date the camera.

- If more memory is needed, so we can download and store more music, then Apple will increase the amount of memory available for the iPhone. Hell they may even offer a unit, that has memory cards? but we'll have to be ok with the fact it cost MORE, and may not last as long on a battery charge.

Apple WILL NOT take a back sit to any other phone company in the area of design and feature - it just won't happen. Will some of these companies be first out with some of these features - hell yes, after all, they are ALL currently trying to catch and pass Apple, so they NEED to offer more, which just fules Apples need to come up with something better, bigger, faster and if we are lucky less money.

I believe within the next few re-visions, we'll see the iPhone take a price jump, BUT only because Apple will announce a Very Basic model at under $100.00.

This will allow every kid on the block to own a iPhone. This model will be a PHONE - No more, no less, but a cool Phone it will be. And they WILL do this, because it will make it easier to up-sell to the next model up, which will be bigger, better and faster.

So Apple currently has what 4 or 5 iPod models - BECAUSE there is a market place for each of these models. Apple WILL do the same with the iPhone it really is that simple.

And most of the other phone manufactures, will not try to match Apple one for one, as they will not see it as smart, but boy they will piss and moan because they are loosing market share to Apple.

As consumers, all of this is good for us. We get all kinds of great new toys to choose from, and many different models. The down side is, how fast will they come out, and how long will folks wait in-between new models before needing to, wanting to, choosing to purchase that new toy.

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post #46 of 99
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Originally Posted by ncee View Post

I believe within the next few re-visions, we'll see the iPhone take a price jump, BUT only because Apple will announce a Very Basic model at under $100.00.

This will allow every kid on the block to own a iPhone. This model will be a PHONE - No more, no less, but a cool Phone it will be. And they WILL do this, because it will make it easier to up-sell to the next model up, which will be bigger, better and faster.

No they won't, as they can't make a large enough profit on a device like this, so they won't do it. Plus they will not be able to compete with Nokia in that market.
post #47 of 99
I have to wonder about the time of introduction. The market is going crazy and to introduce a new phone in the middle of this noise,,,,,,,, will anyone even know its being introduced.????


PS. the issue of enough memory...... well considering that the phone will last 2-3 years and then need to be replaced due to wear and tear...... so this is not really an issue as long as you are in the ballpark as far as current memory needs goes.

Just a thought.
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post #48 of 99
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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

Yeah it is. I have a 3MP camera that I no longer use as I think the quality is just on the edge of not being good. Sony released the K810i in the first half of 2007 with a 3.2MP camera and their C902 out now has a 5MP camera. Their models page also lists a future one with an 8.1MP camera. 2MP is just old and I cant see why Apple included it except to save money.


No it won't but the iPhone you buy will do becuase you CANT swap the memory out! Hence why people are saying this is a good thing.

Quality has absolutely nothing to do with megapixel size. You can have a 2MP camera that has much better quality than a 10MP camera.

Saying that you will get a better quality picture taken with a 6 megapixel camera vs. a 2 megapixel camera is like saying you will get a better quality file stored on a 100GB hard drive vs. a 200GB hard drive. It's simply not true.

The optics/lens determine the quality, not megapixel size.
post #49 of 99
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Originally Posted by mretondo View Post

Is it an iPod, NO? End of story!

It plays all of the same file formats as an iPod (sans DRM) and syncs with iTunes. It's as close as you get can without an Apple logo.

The problem for Nokia is that this phone isn't their flagship multimedia smartphone and yet it will be compared against Apple's. Because it's at the low-end of Nokia's smartphone portfolio, it won't have the kind of build quality, aesthetics or even features to survive such a comparison. It's going to get mauled by the press.

I think it's going to be a lot more interesting when Nokia brings out a high-end N-series touchscreen phone.
post #50 of 99
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

It plays all of the same file formats as an iPod (sans DRM) and syncs with iTunes. It's as close as you get can without an Apple logo.

The problem for Nokia is that this phone isn't their flagship multimedia smartphone and yet it will be compared against Apple's. Because it's at the low-end of Nokia's smartphone portfolio, it won't have the kind of build quality, aesthetics or even features to survive such a comparison. It's going to get mauled by the press.

I think it's going to be a lot more interesting when Nokia brings out a high-end N-series touchscreen phone.

A high-end touchscreen N-series phone may be able to have every single feature known to man packed into it, but I look at the current price of the N96 ($950 last I checked) and can't even imagine what a touchscreen version of that would cost. The highest-end N-series phones are way too expensive, and as such, Apple doesn't even worry about those, because that is not the market they are trying to reach. The average middle-class person cannot and will not spend almost $1,000 on a phone, but they can and will spend $200 on a phone that has a better interface, better music player, better web experience, better e-mail experience, and the availability of a full QWERTY keyboard instead of basic T9.
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Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post

A high-end touchscreen N-series phone may be able to have every single feature known to man packed into it, but I look at the current price of the N96 ($950 last I checked) and can't even imagine what a touchscreen version of that would cost. The highest-end N-series phones are way too expensive, and as such, Apple doesn't even worry about those, because that is not the market they are trying to reach. The average middle-class person cannot and will not spend almost $1,000 on a phone, but they can and will spend $200 on a phone that has a better interface, better music player, better web experience, better e-mail experience, and the availability of a full QWERTY keyboard instead of basic T9.

How many of the 8 million N95 users do you think paid $1000 for the phone?

You're comparing apples and oranges here. The $950 you quote is the unlocked, SIM free price. AT&T subsidize the price of the iPhone and hence why it only costs $200. You can't compare unsubsidized and subsidized prices.

The N95 8GB cost a similar amount SIM free and yet was available for free on a $60pm/18 month contract in large parts of Europe.
post #52 of 99
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

So? Thin does not always mean better-
It has a 3.2 megapixel camera!
It can capture video!
Also how long will the battery last? Is it replaceable? Thinness is not always the thing.

Hi Teckstud,

A couple of questions if i may.

1, Do you own an iPhone
2, If you don't, what would be your dream smart phone

Thanks in advance
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post #53 of 99
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

?? The same reason why you have to spend $80 if your battery dies and you can only get your manufacturer to fix it- what other phone has that pitfall? Replaceable cards are a plus- sure it would be great it it had large memory built it but it's not something to whine about because it doesn't.

techstud, I would rephrase it that it is a plus for you. This is certainly not a plus for me or many other consumers.
I would argue that most digital camera owners never change their cards either.

I would like improved camera capabilities as well, but on my personal scale from 1-10 it ranks as maybe a 1. Thickness and the ability to carry the phone on my pocket however ranks very high my me, like an 8.
Again, my personal scale.

The marketplace ultimately decides the relevance of specs versus overall usability and it seems to go in favor of the iPhone. At least for right now.
post #54 of 99
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Originally Posted by Wolfman View Post

techstud, I would rephrase it that it is a plus for you. This is certainly not a plus for me or many other consumers.
I would argue that most digital camera owners never change their cards either.

I would like improved camera capabilities as well, but on my personal scale from 1-10 it ranks as maybe a 1. Thickness and the ability to carry the phone on my pocket however ranks very high my me, like an 8.
Again, my personal scale.

The marketplace ultimately decides the relevance of specs versus overall usability and it seems to go in favor of the iPhone. At least for right now.

And I would argue the opposite- why do you suppose most cameras not include built in storage? Why are there so many readers. printers, etc that accept cards? It is due to their portability/interchangeability which is a plus. Just because you've never used them does not mean they are not desired by others.
post #55 of 99
Be happy that Apple is getting more and more competition in the touchscreen/smartphone market!

The more pressure Apple feels, the faster they'll try to move, and with phones like the Tube, the Touch HD, Blackberry Storm, Samsung/LG dujour, I think they are going to feel it. Apple needs to evolve the iPhone and iPhone ecosystem at a faster than breakneck speed.

They need:

1. Multiple models (nano with 3" screen, mid with 3.7" screen, pro with 4" screen),
2. Larger screens (3.7 to 4 inch screens) on the "normal" mid-range
3. More touchscreen surface (expand it to the entire screen surface),
4. Higher resolutions for mid/pro version (720x480 for 3.5+ inch, 480x320 for 3" version)
5. More storage (32 GB Flash, 120 to 240 GB hard disk version),
6. Faster CPU/GPU
7. More memory (256/512 MB)
8. Longer battery life
9. More sensors
10. Better audio (speaker volume, microphone)
11. Better browsing/email/texting features
12. More video (get Hulu, Veoh, Vimeo to deliver H.264 M4V videos or support Flash video)
13. Continue music dominance
14. Allow access to iPod/iPhone port with a port API
15. Create an Input Device API
16. Make a deal for legal DVD ripping/transcoding to the iPhone/iPod

Ack, that's a lot of stuff.

As for the Tube. Will it do anything to iPhone sales? Yes, of course it will. It won't kill the iPhone because of its huge software advantage, but the market is varied, and the are plenty of people who would be a Nokia (even if it is so-so) over gritting their teeth and buying from Apple. Apple's bread and butter is still the non-nerd, non-mobile geek crowd or those who appreciate good UI design, and that huge software lead won't be eaten into for awhile.
post #56 of 99
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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

Yeah it is. I have a 3MP camera that I no longer use as I think the quality is just on the edge of not being good. Sony released the K810i in the first half of 2007 with a 3.2MP camera and their C902 out now has a 5MP camera. Their models page also lists a future one with an 8.1MP camera. 2MP is just old and I cant see why Apple included it except to save money.


No it won't but the iPhone you buy will do becuase you CANT swap the memory out! Hence why people are saying this is a good thing.

It's a good thing because...You can't exceed the memory limit in the iphone and you might need to carry up to 2 cards in order to match what the iphone has to offer.
post #57 of 99
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Originally Posted by GregoriusM View Post

And you already know that it will support a card any larger than 16 GB? Where are the specs on that?

If 16 GB is max, then you'll have to carry 8 SD cards in order to have the 128 that you are talking about.

It's not just a matter of when and at what cost the higher capacity cards come out, the hardware has to support it.

Well said.
post #58 of 99
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Hi Teckstud,

A couple of questions if i may.

1, Do you own an iPhone
2, If you don't, what would be your dream smart phone

Thanks in advance

1.) No- really have no need for a data plan nor AT&T.
2.) As they exist now- an iPhone with a Verizon contract. (without data plan preferred)
post #59 of 99
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

Quality has absolutely nothing to do with megapixel size. You can have a 2MP camera that has much better quality than a 10MP camera.

Saying that you will get a better quality picture taken with a 6 megapixel camera vs. a 2 megapixel camera is like saying you will get a better quality file stored on a 100GB hard drive vs. a 200GB hard drive. It's simply not true.

The optics/lens determine the quality, not megapixel size.

That's the problem, people are obsessed with all these numbers, they believe whatever number is higher means that the quality is higher. I mean can you believe that an old 3 mp camera that I had before takes better pictures than my current 8 mp camera, going by what's said on this site you wouldn't believe so.
post #60 of 99
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

How many of the 8 million N95 users do you think paid $1000 for the phone?

You're comparing apples and oranges here. The $950 you quote is the unlocked, SIM free price. AT&T subsidize the price of the iPhone and hence why it only costs $200. You can't compare unsubsidized and subsidized prices.

The N95 8GB cost a similar amount SIM free and yet was available for free on a $60pm/18 month contract in large parts of Europe.

Dude we are in North America, the phone won't be free here, I mean it's already out here in Canada on Rogers, it used to be 399 on a 3 year contract but they dropped the price to 99 after just a few months because it wasn't selling, I mean I've never even seen one in public before, just in the stores.
post #61 of 99
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

That's the problem, people are obsessed with all these numbers, they believe whatever number is higher means that the quality is higher. I mean can you believe that an old 3 mp camera that I had before takes better pictures than my current 8 mp camera, going by what's said on this site you wouldn't believe so.

Any 3mp camera pics will not print enlargements (without losing clarity) beyond 8x10 (really 5x7) and that is a known fact.
post #62 of 99
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Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post

A high-end touchscreen N-series phone may be able to have every single feature known to man packed into it, but I look at the current price of the N96 ($950 last I checked) and can't even imagine what a touchscreen version of that would cost. The highest-end N-series phones are way too expensive, and as such, Apple doesn't even worry about those, because that is not the market they are trying to reach. The average middle-class person cannot and will not spend almost $1,000 on a phone, but they can and will spend $200 on a phone that has a better interface, better music player, better web experience, better e-mail experience, and the availability of a full QWERTY keyboard instead of basic T9.

I think you've got your figures ever so slightly mixed up since it is the iPhone that is cosiderably more expensive than the N96 for instance. N96, sim free and unlocked from one reputable vendor in the UK = £500 ($1000 for the sake of it). The same reputable dealer sells an unlocked, sim free iPhone 3G 16GB for £900 ($1800). I'm sure I don't need to point out the bigger number to you...
post #63 of 99
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Originally Posted by THT;

They need:

1. Multiple models (nano with 3" screen, mid with 3.7" screen, pro with 4" screen)

No they don't. They have enough iPod models. Any more would cause too much confusion.
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post #64 of 99
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Any 3mp camera pics will not print enlargements (without losing clarity) beyond 8x10 (really 5x7) and that is a known fact.


I think the original poster was only implying that there is a lot more to good photography than resolution. People send me horrible 17 MB pictures all the time. Just more pixels, still out of focus with lots of jpeg artifacts. That is the main issue with all cell phone cameras - difficult to hold the camera still will taking the shot and the cmos chip and the lens are of very low quality.

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post #65 of 99
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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

As for the camera, I know a lot of people that used to use their phones as cameras only to get an iPhone and moan that the cameras not good enough. Apple really should upgrade it in the next version.

The iPhone takes pretty nice photos in good light, ie some photos by me

http://flickr.com/photos/nonstopdesign/2896216761/

and

http://flickr.com/photos/nonstopdesign/2740611810/

Very noisy in low light though.


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Being able to take photos and upload them to sites is a big thing and right now the iPhones camera just isn't good enough and is years out of date.

Dude you are so wrong. I do it ALL the time. iPhone and Airme uploader means I only have to click twice (once to take the shot and once to upload to Flickr). It's a fantastic user experience.
post #66 of 99
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Dude we are in North America, the phone won't be free here

Nokia have proved time and time again that you can ignore America and still sell buckets of phones. North America is pretty much irrelevant to the success (or failure) of Nokia's touchscreen phones.
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

Nokia have proved time and time again that you can ignore America and still sell buckets of phones. North America is pretty much irrelevant to the success (or failure) of Nokia's touchscreen phones.

Yeah, plus the North American market is a real oddity in terms of how mobile phones are sold, so it really has no place in a general discussion about phone prices etc. In the majority of countries where the iPhone is sold, it is sold at a premium (which in North American terms is actually cheap, but for the rest of us civilised people, it's not!) and Nokia phones tend to be free in comparison. Again, in NA, they aren't, but that needs a seperate topic to discuss since it is so wildly different from how the rest of the world operates.
post #68 of 99
Nokia is a phone company, so if they sell millions of throw-away phones, so what? I myself have several of them in a landfill.

What is also typical of these reviews is, what are they sync capabilities like? Ease of use? Stop giving us specs, as many times they don't work worth a damn.
post #69 of 99
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

1.) No- really have no need for a data plan nor AT&T.
2.) As they exist now- an iPhone with a Verizon contract. (without data plan preferred)

Ok thanks for the reply
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post #70 of 99
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Originally Posted by res08hao View Post

What is also typical of these reviews is, what are they sync capabilities like? Ease of use? Stop giving us specs, as many times they don't work worth a damn.

Nokia phones sync well, Apple has support for quite a lot with iSync, and Nokia provide support for most S60, and some S40 phones as well. They also provide tools to sync with iPhoto and iTunes.

As for ease of use, very easy, load iSync and sync
post #71 of 99
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Dude we are in North America, the phone won't be free here,

Dude, no we are not.
post #72 of 99
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Any 3mp camera pics will not print enlargements (without losing clarity) beyond 8x10 (really 5x7) and that is a known fact.

So what, the average consumer won't be printing large enlargements so 3 mp is good for them and if I want to print large enlargements I sure wouldn't be using a smartphone.
post #73 of 99
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Originally Posted by nonstopdesign View Post

The iPhone takes pretty nice photos in good light, ie some photos by me

http://flickr.com/photos/nonstopdesign/2896216761/

and

http://flickr.com/photos/nonstopdesign/2740611810/

Very noisy in low light though.




Dude you are so wrong. I do it ALL the time. iPhone and Airme uploader means I only have to click twice (once to take the shot and once to upload to Flickr). It's a fantastic user experience.

Don't mind them, those photos look just fine and is good enough for the average consumer, I mean people are acting as if these so called 5 mp cameraphones are being used for professional photography.
post #74 of 99
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

Nokia have proved time and time again that you can ignore America and still sell buckets of phones. North America is pretty much irrelevant to the success (or failure) of Nokia's touchscreen phones.

Right thanks for you spin for Nokia not being able to succeed in the North American market, last time I checked America has the most powerful economy in the world.
post #75 of 99
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Originally Posted by res08hao View Post

Nokia is a phone company, so if they sell millions of throw-away phones, so what? I myself have several of them in a landfill.

What is also typical of these reviews is, what are they sync capabilities like? Ease of use? Stop giving us specs, as many times they don't work worth a damn.

Well said, most times they just lay out the specs like this is what makes the phone, when you actually pick up the phone to use, you don't even know what to do with is, case in point the N95, filled with many features but useless to use and looks like a "brick".
post #76 of 99
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Right thanks for you spin for Nokia not being able to succeed in the North American market, last time I checked America has the most powerful economy in the world.

Overall, America is without a doubt the most powerful economy in the world. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're the most powerful in every single industry though.

The sad truth is that the US market has a long history of being a cellular backwater. The reasons are quite complex - inappropriate regulation, a huge landmass to cover and many cultural factors. There's a reason why a Finnish company is the biggest manufacturer and a British company is the biggest multinational carrier.

Thankfully things are changing and the US market is becoming more important. When LTE is up and running, North America could be the most important market. I'm sure the Chinese will have something to say about that though.
post #77 of 99
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Well said, most times they just lay out the specs like this is what makes the phone, when you actually pick up the phone to use, you don't even know what to do with is, case in point the N95, filled with many features but useless to use and looks like a "brick".

Haha seriously, anyone who uses this argument actually just makes themselves sound like an idiot. Are you really that stupid that you can't work out that 'Messaging' is for messaging, 'Web' is for the web, and 'Camera' is for the camera? Perhaps 'Music player' starts the music player?! I mean come on, are you for real?! If you seriously can't work out how to do any of those things on an N95, I suggest you need special treatment somewhere.
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Originally Posted by mrochester View Post

Haha seriously, anyone who uses this argument actually just makes themselves sound like an idiot. Are you really that stupid that you can't work out that 'Messaging' is for messaging, 'Web' is for the web, and 'Camera' is for the camera? Perhaps 'Music player' starts the music player?! I mean come on, are you for real?! If you seriously can't work out how to do any of those things on an N95, I suggest you need special treatment somewhere.

Your post is absolutely correct. I have read this thread over the last few days and have concluded that Adjei is a constant complainer, or in way over his or her head and in need of some sort of help. How hard is it to look in a manual? Nokia phones are fairly intuitive and require very little (maybe not in this case) user manual look up. The icons are clearly labled and when pressed do exactly what they say they will do. I find this as well with SE phones, LG phones, even Motorola phones. Adjei is just looking for an issue to complain about and failing very miserably in the process. I will not even touch on the rediculousness of the memory card arguement put forth.
post #79 of 99
In addition to the arguments put forth in this thread, several people are of the conclusion that everyone wants an iPhone when this is truly not the case. There are many, many people to whom the iPhone simply does not appeal, no matter how "wonderful" the UI is. Case in point, I work in the European office of a large US company but after looking at the iPhone, and its lack of business features (tethering, VoIP via GSM, OBEX file transfer, cut and paste, and other biz features) our IT department made the recommendation to wait and see what Nokia will have to offer because all the current E-series phones, as well as the N-series phones have these basic biz features and applications. As we run an Exchange based mail service, we can plug in with almost any Nokia, or SE phone. The same with our Blackberry users. From a biz prospective, the iPhone is not biz oriented no matter how much Apple likes to say it, or reporters spew the Apple marketing material. With this lack of foresight, and almost one sided view of the world that Apple exhibits. Just because you sell phones in several different countries does not mean that you understand these markets, and in our case cost Apple thousands of iPhones sales.

In the coming months, Nokia will release several levels of touch screen phones, all aimed at specific markets and they will succeed because the very same people that are not purchasing the iPhone will now have a viable alternative.
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Originally Posted by ThinkAdrian View Post

The choice of replacing a 16GB card with a 32, 64, 128 one (as they become available and cheap) is a GOOD thing. Some day the 16gigs of your iPhones might feel too little.

Except, as with >4GB cards, these required HARDWARE changes, and this will probably be the case for these massive cards.

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What might NOT be good is the bulkiness of the Symbian 60, maybe the thickness of the phone. Some people think the iPhone is too big, how big will this Nokia be compared to the iPhone?

S60 isn't really on a par with the iPhone OS, you'd be thinking more UIQ and the UIQ devices have been very, very crap recently.
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