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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

I don't think anyone needs "audiophile" quality at the GYM, especially when most were happy when all you had was a Sony Walkman playing tapes at the gym in the past. It is a $79 player, use it for what it is, and then enjoy your high end stereo at home.

Good point
But I assume these people already have these 3rd-party headphones (whether great quality or not) and don't like the std apple headphone b/c of the fit, not the quality

I don't understand using expensive Headphones at the gym, either...
wouldn't sweat mess them up? You know how many times my g/f's headphone cord got caught on an elliptical machine arm? That's dangerous for a $80+ set of headphones.

I understand the problem, but like I said earlier, I am not a "headphone" guy, so I don't understand the comfort problem with the std ones. I used them before, and didn't feel anything painful.
post #122 of 342
this looks more like a pretty iPhone accessory.

But not a shuffle

here's a few remarks:

1. how do you go back to the previous song?
2. what's wrong with the iconic click wheel? It's far more intuitive than the current hold and press gestures!
3. why do I want to hear the name of the song if I can't write it down? read: what's the use of the voice over?!

this product is a mistake.
post #123 of 342
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

I don't think anyone needs "audiophile" quality at the GYM, especially when most were happy when all you had was a Sony Walkman playing tapes at the gym in the past. It is a $79 player, use it for what it is, and then enjoy your high end stereo at home.

With all due respect, a Walkman sounded better- it was fuller and had bass.
The 1G Shuffle sounded better- just bring back that sound.
And BTW, adding bass and a fuller sound is not "audiofile" quality.
post #124 of 342
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Not necessarily- but it would be nice if you had added what's so positve about this unecessary shuffle update.

I kinda did in an earlier posting. I don't think it is particularly positive other than it looks cool and I like the new controls. It is easier when you are on the go (though you could just clip your shuffle in a convenient place). The voice function is good for selecting play lists.

In terms of sales, this is as I stated earlier, an update for the sake of updating. The shuffle is low cost high selling unit that needs to update frequently and Wow people in order to stay relevant. It is a little gimmicky perhaps, but it needs to be to make a noise.

So I think it is a great update and for everyone who prefers the older model they are readily available (or else just keep the one you have)
post #125 of 342
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Originally Posted by mr O View Post

… this looks more like a pretty iPhone accessory.

But not a shuffle

here's a few remarks:

1. how do you go back to the previous song?
2. what's wrong with the iconic click wheel? It's far more intuitive than the current hold and press gestures!
3. why do I want to hear the name of the song if I can't write it down? read: what's the use of the voice over?!

this product is a mistake.

1. three taps
2. nothing, but its an overused icon that's been copied (and it wasn't a full blown click wheel, right?)
3. incase you have songs that have long, similar intros (like some techno/dance). And remember, only if you hold down the button for a while will it even say the name... have you watched the demo?
post #126 of 342
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

I don't understand all the negative nellies bitching about the fact that you can't use non-Apple headphones with the new shuffle.

In the first case you probably can, it just won't have any volume and track controls as those are patented by Apple. Secondly, any headphones you can get that aren't Apple headphones, especially those that are of the same quality or higher, are going to cost you double the cost of the player itself.

What the heck are you buying the cheapest, lowest capacity player on the market for if you are some kind of audiophile that is too good to wear standard earbuds? Are you serious? And why should Apple twist themselves double trying to make such a tiny tiny fragment of an already tiny market segment happy?

Your first two cases have already been addressed here. It's not just volume and track controls, but play/pause too.

Re: your last paragraph, I'll offer up my example: I didn't buy a Shuffle because it was cheap, I bought it for the form factor. I didn't buy third party headphones for the Shuffle, I already owned them. And because it uses a standard jack and the controls on the player, I didn't need to buy specific headphones or adapters for it. I mainly use it in the gym (Etymotic ER4-P with APureSound custom cable), and then only for weight training. I love the simplicity and small size of the Shuffle (being about the same size as the remote I used to use plugged into a full size iPod). I also use a 160 GB Classic (with my entire library), a modded 60 GB 4G iPod (by Red Wine Audio, with Apple Lossless, RSA Hornet amp, Sennheiser HD-650 headphones) for high quality sound, an iPhone occasionally (standard earbuds with controls), and a first gen nano once in a while, mainly for measuring time and distance for outdoor runs. I have an 80 GB 5.5G that I'm thinking of modding with a 240 GB drive.

Having said all that, I agree with you that they have to go where the market drives them, not necessarily to enthusiasts like us on this forum.

I'm not saying the new Shuffle is junk--I like the higher capacity, clean design and voice feedback--just that I don't think it would meet my needs better than my current Shuffle.
post #127 of 342
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

I don't understand all the negative nellies bitching about the fact that you can't use non-Apple headphones with the new shuffle.

In the first case you probably can, it just won't have any volume and track controls as those are patented by Apple. Secondly, any headphones you can get that aren't Apple headphones, especially those that are of the same quality or higher, are going to cost you double the cost of the player itself.

What the heck are you buying the cheapest, lowest capacity player on the market for if you are some kind of audiophile that is too good to wear standard earbuds? Are you serious? And why should Apple twist themselves double trying to make such a tiny tiny fragment of an already tiny market segment happy?

You are a sad sad person. You must take a shot of Apple heroin every morning when you wake up. Over the past couple months I have not seen you say 1 negative thing about any apple product of feature no matter how stupid it is. Only ridicule people who have legitimate complaints. Maybe if you keep up all the sucking, you can get a job sweeping bathrooms at the Apple campus.

This is yet another case of Apple giving their customers exactly what THEY think you want, rather that what their customer really want.

I'm still rocking my 1st Gen, 512mb ipod shuffle. The sound quality is better than all other ipods I have owned, it holds 8 hours of continuous music, and I use the thing every single day and have never even came close to making it through all my music. I use it at the gym and on my motorcycle.
post #128 of 342
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

Speaking song titles is probably the dumbest waste of tech I've ever heard of. They spent the time money and effort on that, but they still resist even a one line display?

Oh, and a new bonus!! They've raised the price too!

Nuuh! Lol to my knowlege wasnt the previous shuffle also $79?

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Originally Posted by mknopp View Post

How the heck does this thing connect to a computer? It is narrower than Apple's standard iPod connector? Have they finally moved to a standard USB connector?

Oh, and I am another that will not be upgrading until a pass-through is available. I connect my iPod to my car stereo's, AUX port through a 3.5 jack. With this new control scheme there is no way for me to do this. No matter how great the earbuds are they cannot connect to a 3.5 jack in my car.

It connects to the computer like the previousshuffle via the 3.5mm jack
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post #129 of 342
pretty cool IMO


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post #130 of 342
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

I don't think anyone needs "audiophile" quality at the GYM, especially when most were happy when all you had was a Sony Walkman playing tapes at the gym in the past. It is a $79 player, use it for what it is, and then enjoy your high end stereo at home.

You can say that you don't feel you need it, but be careful of telling other people what they need or want.

The sound isolation of IEMs is at least as important to me as sound quality in the gym.
post #131 of 342
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Originally Posted by Flash_beezy View Post

Nuuh! Lol to my knowlege wasnt the previous shuffle also $79?


I think they were $49 for 1GB and $69 for 2 GB?
post #132 of 342
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Originally Posted by F1Turbo View Post

I think they were $49 for 1GB and $69 for 2 GB?

true, but people have said that their price has almost doubled (non-US of course)
post #133 of 342
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post #134 of 342
I wonder if this is the "pleasant surprise".\
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Where are HER fan pages!?
She's the greatest thing since Ellen Feiss!

Amen to that!! I think i was paying attention to the ad more goodthing girlfriend is still in bed cause i was drooling haha
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post #136 of 342
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Originally Posted by rcoala100 View Post

Its about appealing/reaching the masses, not the 100 AI whiners on here!!!!! Watch the stock, one more reason to go long, plus all the refresh of products this summer.

Of the ones that I'm watching, it's leading the pack so far today.

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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

I don't understand all the negative nellies bitching about the fact that you can't use non-Apple headphones with the new shuffle.

In the first case you probably can, it just won't have any volume and track controls as those are patented by Apple. Secondly, any headphones you can get that aren't Apple headphones, especially those that are of the same quality or higher, are going to cost you double the cost of the player itself.

The lack of volume controls for third party adapters is a pretty critical oversight, would you never want to adjust the volume, or is that a niche feature in your mind?

I simply can't use earbuds, there's no audiophile anything about it.

Not only that, the Apple buds don't seem to be nearly as reliable as others. I'm also skeptical that it would be so expensive to match or exceed the sound quality.

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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

let me get this right- You have a playlist that you made and still need to hear what song you're listening too?

I make playlists, but they are mostly smart playlists. I don't watch what's in them, the computer automatically updates the playlists based on parameters such as play count. I don't know if any other system can do this, I'm pretty sure the players that you load like a flash drive simply can't track play count.

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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Keep it - no change - still great.

Are AI forum frequenters having a bad morning? I have never read so much bitching about nothing for a long time. Or are you guys just genetically pre-disposed to see the negative with any given situation?

How is that really going to work? The shuffle doesn't even have a button to start playback, that button goes away when you disconnect the earbuds. If the shuffle pauses when you disconnect the earbuds, then you're stuck without a pass-through adapter to add the button to play and pause. It's not a huge deal, but it's more than the "no change" that you claim.
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You are a sad sad person. You must take a shot of Apple heroin every morning when you wake up.

Stop being such a "deuce"...
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post #138 of 342
i thought about the headphones as well, and maybe loosing site of the goal apple has, to sell to the masses. The new package as a whole is great for someone looking for a running or workout solution.

It would be nice if they had an option for the upgraded ear buds as well, just bought my pair and love them. They are very comfortable and stay in my ears well.

Wondering if the voice over is a prelude to some sort of e-reader concept. It could read a book to me as well while running.
post #139 of 342
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

It's not a huge deal, but it's more than the "no change" that you claim.

I didn't make myself clear - what I meant was 'keep your existing shuffle'. There's nothing wrong with it, it works for you so no worries. The previous iterations of shuffles will be around for a long time. The new ones look very cool but it is a shuffle - who really cares what it looks like. I still use my Gen 3 and that is REALLY long in the tooth and has no battery left whatsoever. But it has my entire music collection on it and works great with my Logitec speaker unit.
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Originally Posted by sandau View Post

I love how Apple juices the most out of its fruit. Always introduce 1 or two colors, the fan boys run out and buy it. A few months later... eeeeeek, it comes in (insert color here) and fan boy gets juiced twice!

love it.

What business model do other companies use? I mean, I bought a new truck in '08, should I have waited on purchasing because a refresh was imminent for '09, 10, 11, 12, ....?


post #141 of 342
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

Speaking song titles is probably the dumbest waste of tech I've ever heard of. They spent the time money and effort on that, but they still resist even a one line display?

Oh, and a new bonus!! They've raised the price too!

Apple already had all the tech for the device, so developing the new iPod probably cost very little compared to other products. Besides, Apple would sell us a screenless, buttonless Macbook if people would buy it. Steve Jobs likes simple products.
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post #142 of 342
I'm sorry but this is really shitty. I have never been able to wear apple headphones, if I do anything other than stand still or lie down the damn things fall out. Since this is so reliant on earbuds and apple won't make any over the ear ones or put some buttons down the side of the body, I can never use one of these. And my ears are not weird shaped.

And plus it's a wednesday. Wtf?
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post #143 of 342
F'n sweet.
post #144 of 342
Kids will buy this just to hear that superlative digital caucasian voice trying to navigate the bands and song names from the hip-hop and alternative music scenes. "For All My N****z & B*****s, Snoop Dogg." "Smell Yo D**k", Riskay. "Don't Trust Me", 3OH!3.
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Kids will buy this just to hear that superlative digital caucasian voice trying to navigate the bands and song names from the hip-hop and alternative music scenes. "For All My N****z & B*****s, Snoop Dogg." "Smell Yo D**k", Riskay. "Don't Trust Me", 3OH!3.

This was my though when I heard the demo - if the interpretation is as bad as my GPS then you are going to struggle figuring out the name of the band!
post #146 of 342
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

So how about a remote cord for those of us who hate the Apple headphones?

Get a life. No, really.
post #147 of 342
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

Speaking song titles is probably the dumbest waste of tech I've ever heard of. They spent the time money and effort on that, but they still resist even a one line display?

Oh, and a new bonus!! They've raised the price too!

And doubled the capacity, added new features, and made it smaller!!! GEEEEZ! It seems like some people just look for a reason to B@#%H!!!
post #148 of 342
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Originally Posted by Dueces View Post

You are a sad sad person. You must take a shot of Apple heroin every morning when you wake up. Over the past couple months I have not seen you say 1 negative thing about any apple product of feature no matter how stupid it is. Only ridicule people who have legitimate complaints. Maybe if you keep up all the sucking, you can get a job sweeping bathrooms at the Apple campus.

This is yet another case of Apple giving their customers exactly what THEY think you want, rather that what their customer really want.

I'm still rocking my 1st Gen, 512mb ipod shuffle. The sound quality is better than all other ipods I have owned, it holds 8 hours of continuous music, and I use the thing every single day and have never even came close to making it through all my music. I use it at the gym and on my motorcycle.

Well put. Bring the shuffle's sound quality back to standard, not audiofile, and not below standard.
post #149 of 342
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Originally Posted by walshbj View Post

The 2nd Gen Shuffle was great in my car with a cassette adapter. And now?

Carry on using the one you have, you don't NEED to have the new model!
post #150 of 342
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Originally Posted by tazinlwfl View Post

1. three taps
2. nothing, but its an overused icon that's been copied (and it wasn't a full blown click wheel, right?)
3. incase you have songs that have long, similar intros (like some techno/dance). And remember, only if you hold down the button for a while will it even say the name... have you watched the demo?

1. three taps to go to the previous song vs one tap on the old shuffle
2. I did watch the demo and got confused by the end allready. The clickwheel is very straightforward and pretty intuitive. The new hold & press gestures aren't. It's a bad thing you have to watch a demo to understand the user interface.
3. why would you wanna disrupt your musical experience by a nerdy voice

oh god, first tabs on top on safari and now voice over on the shuffle. There must be a mole from Redmond in the Apple labs \
post #151 of 342
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Not necessarily- but it would be nice if you had added what's so positve about this unecessary shuffle update.

1. Double the memory capacity - 4GB - not pointless
2. Mulitple Playlist selection - not pointless
3. VoiceOver, great new feature - not pointless
4. Smaller - not pointless
5. Remote control on headphones - not pointless

Now you may not want those features, but others will and in that case Apple will sell them.
post #152 of 342
Anyone heard when these will make it to Apple Retail? I am the nerd in here. I want one.
post #153 of 342
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Originally Posted by mr O View Post

1. how do you go back to the previous song?
2. what's wrong with the iconic click wheel? It's far more intuitive than the current hold and press gestures!
3. why do I want to hear the name of the song if I can't write it down? read: what's the use of the voice over?!

1. Three clicks.
2. Nothing. Buy the previous generation.
3. I have no idea what the first sentence even means, but YOU CAN TURN VOICEOVER OFF IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
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Kids will buy this just to hear that superlative digital caucasian voice trying to navigate the bands and song names from the hip-hop and alternative music scenes. "For All My N****z & B*****s, Snoop Dogg." "Smell Yo D**k", Riskay. "Don't Trust Me", 3OH!3.

How did that not occur to me yet? That's awesome.
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post #154 of 342
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Anyone heard when these will make it to Apple Retail? I am the nerd in here. I want one.

Well for NYC I found out that they will be in the SoHo store starting tomorrow. I guess it would be similar for the rest of the Apple NYC stores. Around the country in the US I don't know.
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Originally Posted by ecking View Post

I'm sorry but this is really shitty. I have never been able to wear apple headphones, if I do anything other than stand still or lie down the damn things fall out. Since this is so reliant on earbuds and apple won't make any over the ear ones or put some buttons down the side of the body, I can never use one of these. And my ears are not weird shaped.

And plus it's a wednesday. Wtf?

Then don't buy one!
post #156 of 342
Well, it's an iPod shuffle and the cheapest iPod. For example, the last I checked BMW 3rd series does not have specifications nor the luxuries of the 5th or the 7th series. If you need better sound and functions the get the Nano.
post #157 of 342
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Originally Posted by mr O View Post

1. three taps to go to the previous song vs one tap on the old shuffle
2. I did watch the demo and got confused by the end allready. The clickwheel is very straightforward and pretty intuitive. The new hold & press gestures aren't. It's a bad thing you have to watch a demo to understand the user interface.
3. why would you wanna disrupt your musical experience by a nerdy voice

oh god, first tabs on top on safari and now voice over on the shuffle. There must be a mole from Redmond in the Apple labs \

Then don't buy one!!
post #158 of 342
I had a chat once with a blind iPod shuffle user who bought it specifically because the video screen was, for him, totally useless. I can imagine VoiceOver being a _really_ nice addition in that case....
post #159 of 342
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Originally Posted by ecking View Post

I'm sorry but this is really shitty. I have never been able to wear apple headphones, if I do anything other than stand still or lie down the damn things fall out. Since this is so reliant on earbuds and apple won't make any over the ear ones or put some buttons down the side of the body, I can never use one of these. And my ears are not weird shaped.

There's always plastic surgery
post #160 of 342
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Originally Posted by parky View Post


1. Double the memory capacity - 4GB - not pointless

Cost more so why bother.

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2. Mulitple Playlist selection - not pointless

Again it's a shuffle- unnecessary feature

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3. VoiceOver, great new feature - not pointless

For who- the lonely?

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4. Smaller - not pointless

Another unneccary improvement - like the previous one was so big it got in the way of arm curls. It's the cord, if anything, that sould be elliminated - make it bluetooth.

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5. Remote control on headphones - not pointless

And this is where your point fails. If it's madatory to have a remote control on the headphones to operate than it's a constricted device.

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Now you may not want those features, but others will and in that case Apple will sell them.

Others buy anything and whatever Apple sells them- and your point?
And you're missing the main point - the shuffle's sound sucks and that's what needed improviing.
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