Originally Posted by wraithofwonder
Advertising is usually misleading.
There is usually a little hyperbole.
But these Microsoft ads have been nothing but PURE BULLSHIT.
The HP v. MacBook type stuff, where they both have the same processor but the MacBook has 2GB of RAM and the HP 4GB of RAM, and the HP costs less.
As if that were all there was in the world!
1066MHz FSB (MacBook) v. 800MHz FSB (most HPs... STILL)
DDR3-1066 RAM (MacBook) v. DDR2-800 RAM (most HPs.... STILL)
What use is having the same processor if you cripple it?
It was proven (and presented around here) numerous times that DDR3 1066 is virtually the same speed as DDR2 800. Only platform gaining any advantage from DDR3 is Intel i7.
Thus C2D processor in HP, memory wise, is not crippled at all. Nor is CPU in Mac blessed with DDR3.
Oh, and let us not forget that Vista is a freaking memory hog.
Vista is more memory hungry than XP, true. However, I had no problems playing latest games, editing my .NEF files in Lightroom etc. on my previous desktop with 2GB of RAM and Vista Business. With 4GB of RAM, memory argument does not exist any more, and no matter how much leaner OSX is, doubling RAM will leave you with significantly more memory for data and applications - even with Vista.
Never mind that all of these ads are focused on initial cost of the hardware and not cost over time, or additional software. Forget that Microsoft Office 2007 Home and Student will set you back $99, $129 or $149 depending on where you buy it from while iWork would set you back $40 with a new Mac. Home and Student includes Word, Excel and Powerpoint. iWork includes Pages, Numbers and Keynote. I may prefer Office '08 for Mac, but the average user doesn't need anything more than iWork provides.
Average user probably doesn't need presentation and spreadsheet software at all, to be honest; or, such user can do just fine with free Open Office. Others are usually tied with what they use at work/university, and even with compatibility on the file format level, having to learn only one word processor etc. is making life easier - even if it takes extra $40 from you. But I would expect you can get OEM Office in US for lower price than that..?
Side thought: Why the heck does it cost the same to get the Mac version of Home and Student when it includes more? You see the Windows version again only has Word, Excel and Powerpoint but the Mac version has Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Entourage.
Good question. I'd say MS is trying to penetrate more into Mac market, thus more competitive offer. On Windows market, they are so strong they really don't have to try hard any more. Unfortunately.
What about the cost of service?
The ease of service?
The cost of virus software?
Media software? Nero and Photoshop Elements together is the closest to replicating iLife, that's $49 for Nero and and $85.99 for Photoshop Elements off Newegg.
What do you consider under cost of service? Here in NZ, PCs have same warranty - and same options for extended warranty - as Macs. And spare parts/upgrades are usually cheaper.
Ease of service, well, that is hit and miss. We had some great experience with different support departments, and some awful as well (though a bit of yelling always helped). No idea how thing are working in Mac world, but if everyone is happy with support, good on them.
Cost of AV software is free for number of decent products. If you are not happy with it, commercial products like NOD32 will cost you $30 - 50 a year, maybe even a less if you subscribe for 2 or 3 years at once (at least here in NZ).
I haven't seen a PC with CD/DVD burner that didn't come with some version of Nero/Roxio. Photoshop Elements, to my knowledge, is not the same as iPhoto. Many photo organizing programs like Picasa are free. If someone requires Garage Band etc., there is additional value... but not much of it.
That's just a few examples.
My God in heaven, do people not think?
What many people think - none of them, obviously, a Mac user
- is that even with extra software functionality, price difference is too big. My example:
Here in NZ, iMac 24" 2.93GHz is NZ$4000, while top one is NZ$4800.
For approximately $4000, I got me custom built box with:
- Core 2 Quad 9550, 2.83GHz
- 8GB G-Skill DDR2 900MHz RAM
- Gigabyte P45-UD3R motherboard
- Lian Li aluminium case
- 650W Silverstone modular power
- 24" Samsung screen
- ATI 4890 1GB video card
- Sound Blaster X-fi Gamer audio
- Logitech cordless desktop LX 710 laser
- 1TB HDDAND
HP 6730b laptop with C2D P8600 CPU with Montevina platform, 2GB RAM etc etc.
So... for the price of 1.93GHz 24" iMac I've got much better desktop and a bonus laptop - not too flashy, but decent and does much more than I really need on the go.
I'm using free Comodo antivirus/firewall on both, and already had all the other software I need.
And even if I needed to purchase more software - I could get equivalent of everything iMac comes with (and more) for the price of 3.06GHz iMac, and still end up with better desktop and a bonus laptop.
In my eyes, that is really hard to beat.
True not everyone will go for custom built desktop, but there is an option if you wish to do so
The way I see it, lack of options is really the biggest problem Mac line is facing today (or second one, after high pricing).