If someone has trouble removing an app, it is the fault of the developer for not properly wrapping up the app in a single package. That's the way Mac OS X apps are supposed to be made. App installs should be as simple as drag-and-drop to the Applications folder and drag-and-drop to the Trash. There is absolutely no reason that most apps should need either an installer or uninstaller.
The only things that would possibly need an uninstaller are device drivers or kernel extensions that install into /System. Those are so rare that they would not warrant needing to offer the possible unnecessary confusion that having an uninstaller would entail.
I didn't realize the problem was the fault of developers. As such, I take back my wish for an un-installer feature in 10.3.
There might even be a new UI in Panther. Looprumors is reporting that Apple is creating a Metal Theme for 10.3. I don't mind the metal theme, but Apple is going a little too far if they make a whole UI on it. I guess it just depends on what it looks like. If they tone it down the metal look a little, may be it would not be that bad. If they do come out with a metal UI, I sure hope that Aqua is an option to have as th UI as well. Maybe they are going to go into themes with 10.3. That sure would be interesting.
Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.
But what about browsers that store cache, bookmarks, preferences, passwords, and lots of other stuff in your Library folder? Those generally involve a single drag-and-drop copy from a .dmg to install, but they create application support files out of necessity. That's not the fault of the developers.
There might even be a new UI in Panther. Looprumors is reporting that Apple is creating a Metal Theme for 10.3. I don't mind the metal theme, but Apple is going a little too far if they make a whole UI on it. I guess it just depends on what it looks like. If they tone it down the metal look a little, may be it would not be that bad. If they do come out with a metal UI, I sure hope that Aqua is an option to have as th UI as well. Maybe they are going to go into themes with 10.3. That sure would be interesting.
Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.
It would be nice to be able to select from several different themes, for example the original design, original design minus lines, and then the brushed metal etc etc.*
*It would be nice thats all! I am not fussed either way!
It would be nice to be able to select from several different themes, for example the original design, original design minus lines, and then the brushed metal etc etc.*
*It would be nice thats all! I am not fussed either way!
Me either really.
Good signature, man! I totally agree! oops off-topic!
Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.
That would only work if all of Apple's lineup used the 970. What about the rest of the G4 and G3 using folks. Too Microsoft to throw hardware at a software problem.
I think my PowerBook runs X just fine -- I'm no 3D-crunching/10-apps-at-a-time speed-o-phile, but it seems very quick about itself compared to my old Pismo running Jag.
Then again, instant performance wouldn't be a bad thing ...
I think my PowerBook runs X just fine -- I'm no 3D-crunching/10-apps-at-a-time speed-o-phile, but it seems very quick about itself compared to my old Pismo running Jag.
Then again, instant performance wouldn't be a bad thing ...
I have the same computer... I can't tell you enough how awesome it runs Jag.... beautiful... Hell, even my iMac runs Jag pretty well... not like my PowerBook though...
No, but it has some nice metadata support. It's a lot like HFS in that it allows multiple streams (HFS has 2, data and resource). But unlike HFS it's not limited to 2 streams. So, in other words, it's similar in some ways to a DB filesystem, but it's not.
Oh, and MS is working on making a real DB filesystem based off of MS SQL Server that will be in Longhorn (Windows 2005). Apple had better show them up.
I didn't realize the problem was the fault of developers. As such, I take back my wish for an un-installer feature in 10.3.
I think it would be a good idea (might even have something like this but I haven't noticed) that opening a software receipt will open the Installer app and then uninstall support files as well as the app itself.
Well... Along with what others have already requested... one other thing that I'd love to see in 10.3 is a really good 'switch user' feature.
As far as a re-written (cocoa) finder... I'm not sure where I read it (arstechnica maybe?) or if its even true but I **THINK** the finder has to stay carbon for classic to work. I've highlighted **THINK** since I don't want other people spreading this as a TRUTH when I'm not sure if it is (like I said, it was just something I read) but it seems possible.
Baloney.
1. IPC between Cocoa and Classic applications works fine. For an example, try dragging and dropping text between Safari and SimpleText in Classic. Works fine. So does copy and paste, AppleScript, etc. Cocoa and Classic apps can talk to each other.
2. The Mac OS X Finder doesn't need to run in the Classic environment, so it doesn't make an ounce of difference whether it can or not.
3. Even if it did matter, the Mac OS X Finder is a Mach-O binary anyway, which is just as incompatible with Classic as Cocoa is.
The reason that the Finder hasn't been rewritten in Cocoa is that Apple doesn't want to rewrite the Finder. Plain and simple.
iLife will be sold, as it is now, seperatly. iWorks will be comprised of Keynote and all the other apps, and will be sold seperatly (Keynote already costs $99). Except for "Document" which will be bundled on all new Macs, or maybe in the OS.
I don't know about you guys- but I am most looking forward to Pixar coming out with a new black Panther cat hair texture.
As am I. About the Finder and Classic Compatability thing, I have heard that as well and I am not so shure it is pure bologna. I hope we don't have system wide brushed metal as I thing it would get old and annoying fast
I am looking forward to it all, yes, i want that Pixar Panther X
I think a cocoa finder is a little over hyped. Carbon is a fine API (pain to program in compared to cocoa though) and it gets the job done just as well as cocoa would (if not faster, since cocoa is a higher level API). I'm not sure what benefits we would see with a cocoa finder.
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Originally posted by Brad
Ick! No!
If someone has trouble removing an app, it is the fault of the developer for not properly wrapping up the app in a single package. That's the way Mac OS X apps are supposed to be made. App installs should be as simple as drag-and-drop to the Applications folder and drag-and-drop to the Trash. There is absolutely no reason that most apps should need either an installer or uninstaller.
The only things that would possibly need an uninstaller are device drivers or kernel extensions that install into /System. Those are so rare that they would not warrant needing to offer the possible unnecessary confusion that having an uninstaller would entail.
I didn't realize the problem was the fault of developers. As such, I take back my wish for an un-installer feature in 10.3.
Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.
Originally posted by Mac OS X Addict
There might even be a new UI in Panther. Looprumors is reporting that Apple is creating a Metal Theme for 10.3. I don't mind the metal theme, but Apple is going a little too far if they make a whole UI on it. I guess it just depends on what it looks like. If they tone it down the metal look a little, may be it would not be that bad. If they do come out with a metal UI, I sure hope that Aqua is an option to have as th UI as well. Maybe they are going to go into themes with 10.3. That sure would be interesting.
Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.
It would be nice to be able to select from several different themes, for example the original design, original design minus lines, and then the brushed metal etc etc.*
*It would be nice thats all! I am not fussed either way!
Originally posted by trevorM
It would be nice to be able to select from several different themes, for example the original design, original design minus lines, and then the brushed metal etc etc.*
*It would be nice thats all! I am not fussed either way!
Me either really.
Good signature, man! I totally agree! oops off-topic!
Plus, I think that if the 970 comes out this Fall for the Mac, all our speed complainers will be gone saying that OS X is too slow.
That would only work if all of Apple's lineup used the 970. What about the rest of the G4 and G3 using folks. Too Microsoft to throw hardware at a software problem.
Then again, instant performance wouldn't be a bad thing ...
Originally posted by fred_lj
I think my PowerBook runs X just fine -- I'm no 3D-crunching/10-apps-at-a-time speed-o-phile, but it seems very quick about itself compared to my old Pismo running Jag.
Then again, instant performance wouldn't be a bad thing ...
I have the same computer... I can't tell you enough how awesome it runs Jag.... beautiful...
Originally posted by dstranathan
Is NTFS a database-based file system?
No, but it has some nice metadata support. It's a lot like HFS in that it allows multiple streams (HFS has 2, data and resource). But unlike HFS it's not limited to 2 streams. So, in other words, it's similar in some ways to a DB filesystem, but it's not.
Oh, and MS is working on making a real DB filesystem based off of MS SQL Server that will be in Longhorn (Windows 2005). Apple had better show them up.
Originally posted by sc_markt
I didn't realize the problem was the fault of developers. As such, I take back my wish for an un-installer feature in 10.3.
I think it would be a good idea (might even have something like this but I haven't noticed) that opening a software receipt will open the Installer app and then uninstall support files as well as the app itself.
IF the developer has set the Installer package up in the first place to do so. The pieces are there, go gripe at the developers for not using them.
* Not automatically - it activates an Uninstall menu item.
Originally posted by DaveGee
Well... Along with what others have already requested... one other thing that I'd love to see in 10.3 is a really good 'switch user' feature.
As far as a re-written (cocoa) finder... I'm not sure where I read it (arstechnica maybe?) or if its even true but I **THINK** the finder has to stay carbon for classic to work. I've highlighted **THINK** since I don't want other people spreading this as a TRUTH when I'm not sure if it is (like I said, it was just something I read) but it seems possible.
Baloney.
1. IPC between Cocoa and Classic applications works fine. For an example, try dragging and dropping text between Safari and SimpleText in Classic. Works fine. So does copy and paste, AppleScript, etc. Cocoa and Classic apps can talk to each other.
2. The Mac OS X Finder doesn't need to run in the Classic environment, so it doesn't make an ounce of difference whether it can or not.
3. Even if it did matter, the Mac OS X Finder is a Mach-O binary anyway, which is just as incompatible with Classic as Cocoa is.
The reason that the Finder hasn't been rewritten in Cocoa is that Apple doesn't want to rewrite the Finder. Plain and simple.
iWorks (word processor, spreadsheet, Keynote, database) Naw
iLife (iTunes 4, iMovie 3, iDVD 3, iPhoto 2) Naw
Safari, iChat, Sherlock
Mail, Address Book, iCal, iSync
QT7 QT 6.5
DVD Player 4 Yeah, so?
-Databased, self optimizing File System. Hopefully
-Copy, Move, Download, FTP, WebDAV Transfers using one common Finder window to manage data traffic. Do they not already?
-Cocoa Finder Let's hope
-KHTML/Safari html renderer boosting help, sherlock and other web enabled services. Yeah
-iChat enhanced with Video Conf. Yeah
-Bluetooth enhancements and 3G tie-ins Maybe....
-Rendezvous based services making a bigger appearance. Y eah
-More file systems supported by the OS: NTFS, Ext2 etc... Yeah, so?
-A way of starting up at a set time Maybe.....
-Multiple customisable Docks Probably not
"That is all"
Originally posted by salmonstk
I don't know about you guys- but I am most looking forward to Pixar coming out with a new black Panther cat hair texture.
As am I. About the Finder and Classic Compatability thing, I have heard that as well and I am not so shure it is pure bologna. I hope we don't have system wide brushed metal as I thing it would get old and annoying fast
I am looking forward to it all, yes, i want that Pixar Panther X
Apple's new 970 powermacs with have dolby digital out- that would take care of a big problem right now.
Originally posted by tacojohn
Apple's new 970 powermacs with have dolby digital out- that would take care of a big problem right now.
How CONFIRMED is this?