Unless someone wants Android or another OS, the only thing I can see that I would want from it is the front facing camera. I don't know why Apple hasn't already gone with that.
Considering their fuss about iChat, you would think they would have leveraged that already.
Unless someone wants Android or another OS, the only thing I can see that I would want from it is the front facing camera. I don't know why Apple hasn't already gone with that.
Considering their fuss about iChat, you would think they would have leveraged that already.
It's obviously because AT&T wouldn't be able to handle it
In many ways Creative finally has something that is completely better than Apple's offering. As a portable computing device (and possibly phone) the zii egg is better than the current and probably next ipod touch. Just the thought of being able to develop non-gimped applications without apple's gatekeeper style, while at the same time getting a form factor very similar to the ipod with twice as many hardware features is rather exciting.
This is what the 3GS should have been.
Its a shame that it may not get anywhere, because it is impossible to beat Apple in that sector. For once I am rooting for Creative and not Apple.
Yes, this is the thing the 3Gs should have been, and the iPod touch too.
This thing looks VERY impressive. GPS, 1080 output, an actual SDHC slot, cameras, microphone, along with stuff the iPod touch has built in, including a non crippled Bluetooth... I'd say this thing (given a competitive price point) seriously competes, if not blows away Apple's offerings. I am so very glad to see this, along with the idea of keeping the platform open. I may dump my iPod Touch for this in a heart beat!
Also, did anyone notice the SO-DIMM system they are offering? Looks like something that they want to possibly include in a netbook, or maybe let other manufacturers use the same product on their own devices? That's a new one on me. A "hey, come on in and play" in a very open way. Just interesting as I've not seen this before.
Anyhow, I like that there is competition. Now if Apple can only keep up?
I think the assumption is that people will acquire it themselves somehow. Either by recording their own over the air, creating their own with cameras and such, or just simply downloading it online.
Well, I never see people in the train or airplane viewing their own home videos (and most who have to watch them, don't want to see them either). Pretty much all downloadable HD content (except for trailers) is either protected by Fairplay or Microsoft DRM. Neither will work on this device. The percentage of people going through the pain of ripping Blu-Ray discs is certainly minor.
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not? How does the copy protection work? Is there some form of standardized copy protection for analog 720p?
It works on the Apple TV and it works on Macs (for iTunes content) – the component output on the Apple TV is analog too. No reason why it should not work on the iPhone/touch for the same content. If MS can get the studios to approve content for the Zune HD, then Apple should be able to do the same. They certainly sell more.
Competition is good, so i hope this thing does achieve a modicum of success - if only to keep apple on it's toes.
apart from connecting to an external monitor/tv - which very few of us actually do - for the life of me i can't see the appeal of 1080p on a device that has a screen that is much smaller than 1080. and also the hd video camera, i don't see the point yet.
any ideas on how the battery life on this thing will be like?
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Now if Apple can only keep up?
que? you are asking the market leader to keep up with a product that hasn't been released yet?
Apple's been turning the entire handheld market in its head since 2001. I wonder if everyone else will be able to get even close to Apple, never mind keeping up. So far the also-rans have been unimpressive, to say the least.
Yeah, all links are from the same site. I was feeling lazy. My point is only that the iPhone doesn't have developers around the world smitten completely, far from it. You might even include me there, though I wouldn't call myself a developer yet -- I will be buying an Android phone soon though, and I will be taking more than a peek at its SDK.
On the surface, this looks like a winning device, and it could be, but it has a lot of unanswered questions right now, so it is wayyy too early to judge.
I think a lot of people on these tech sites do not think as a normal non-tech user. A lot users do not know of and have no idea what Android is, and most don't care. When you add in different OS options and developers possibly needing to create different versions of apps for each OS - confusing to users.
How will this thing sync, are they going to go the Pre route and piggyback off iTunes? How will people sync calendars, contacts, bookmarks, email, etc. Is video chat only usable with WiFi, if so how useful is that? Will it link/sync to some music/video store, if so which one?
Why force developers to pay $400 for the device when it's not even proven or guaranteed it will be a big seller. Wouldn't developers be worried about wasting $400 and wasting their time developing for an unproven device with no user base as of yet?
As I said, on surface - 32x2 storage, HD, 1080p, 2 cams, etc... sounds great, but too early to tell.
Lastly, it would be nice if companies actually used their own ingenuity & developed their own new devices and stopped waiting for Apple to do the thinking & developing - then just copy them. That is very lazy, using Apple for R&D.
If Apple does release their tablet soon and it is successful, guaranteed Dell, HP, MSFT & others will copy it in 6-12 months.
R&D of the tech companies -- watch Apple's keynotes + product releases + website = copy.
On the surface, this looks like a winning device, and it could be, but it has a lot of unanswered questions right now, so it is wayyy too early to judge.
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How will this thing sync, are they going to go the Pre route and piggyback off iTunes? How will people sync calendars, contacts, bookmarks, email, etc. Is video chat only usable with WiFi, if so how useful is that? Will it link/sync to some music/video store, if so which one?
Very true, I agree. I bought an Archos 605 a while back... incredible specs, crap product. Bad construction, broken software, generally a mess.
I hope Creative does a good job on this one. I think I may get it and enjoy it, but many users will want a complete package of "extras", which Apple does very well -- Creative, not so much.
apart from connecting to an external monitor/tv - which very few of us actually do - for the life of me i can't see the appeal of 1080p on a device that has a screen that is much smaller than 1080. and also the hd video camera, i don't see the point yet.
I think the idea is similar to what Apple does with its iPods and phones. Send the signal out to a monitor or Tv at that rez, not watch it on the device at that rez.
Apple isn't up to 1080i yet, but might be next rev.
wow, that's really a lot of marketing buzzwords thrown into one product, isn't it?? it's almost as if they think the more fancy sounding made-up words they can cram onto a product page the better it will seem and therefore sell.
on a side note, it appears all that huffing and puffing Apple did about "protecting their patents" for the iphone and ipod touch was really a bunch of hot air. we've now been FLOODED with wanna-be products that copy just about every feature of the apple devices and not one single product is being stopped by apple legal. kinda sad if you ask me...
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Considering their fuss about iChat, you would think they would have leveraged that already.
Unless someone wants Android or another OS, the only thing I can see that I would want from it is the front facing camera. I don't know why Apple hasn't already gone with that.
Considering their fuss about iChat, you would think they would have leveraged that already.
It's obviously because AT&T wouldn't be able to handle it
In many ways Creative finally has something that is completely better than Apple's offering. As a portable computing device (and possibly phone) the zii egg is better than the current and probably next ipod touch. Just the thought of being able to develop non-gimped applications without apple's gatekeeper style, while at the same time getting a form factor very similar to the ipod with twice as many hardware features is rather exciting.
This is what the 3GS should have been.
Its a shame that it may not get anywhere, because it is impossible to beat Apple in that sector. For once I am rooting for Creative and not Apple.
Yes, this is the thing the 3Gs should have been, and the iPod touch too.
This thing looks VERY impressive. GPS, 1080 output, an actual SDHC slot, cameras, microphone, along with stuff the iPod touch has built in, including a non crippled Bluetooth... I'd say this thing (given a competitive price point) seriously competes, if not blows away Apple's offerings. I am so very glad to see this, along with the idea of keeping the platform open. I may dump my iPod Touch for this in a heart beat!
Also, did anyone notice the SO-DIMM system they are offering? Looks like something that they want to possibly include in a netbook, or maybe let other manufacturers use the same product on their own devices? That's a new one on me. A "hey, come on in and play" in a very open way. Just interesting as I've not seen this before.
Anyhow, I like that there is competition. Now if Apple can only keep up?
I think the assumption is that people will acquire it themselves somehow. Either by recording their own over the air, creating their own with cameras and such, or just simply downloading it online.
Well, I never see people in the train or airplane viewing their own home videos (and most who have to watch them, don't want to see them either). Pretty much all downloadable HD content (except for trailers) is either protected by Fairplay or Microsoft DRM. Neither will work on this device. The percentage of people going through the pain of ripping Blu-Ray discs is certainly minor.
not? How does the copy protection work? Is there some form of standardized copy protection for analog 720p?
It works on the Apple TV and it works on Macs (for iTunes content) – the component output on the Apple TV is analog too. No reason why it should not work on the iPhone/touch for the same content. If MS can get the studios to approve content for the Zune HD, then Apple should be able to do the same. They certainly sell more.
It's obviously because AT&T wouldn't be able to handle it
Don't even think that please.
At least there is nothing in the articale that they are claiming to "innovate" anything, like the MS Store will.
Like the MS store will, what?
Innovate?
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ts_photos.html
http://images.appleinsider.com/parts-090528-5.jpg
http://images.appleinsider.com/parts-090528-9.jpg
apart from connecting to an external monitor/tv - which very few of us actually do - for the life of me i can't see the appeal of 1080p on a device that has a screen that is much smaller than 1080. and also the hd video camera, i don't see the point yet.
any ideas on how the battery life on this thing will be like?
Now if Apple can only keep up?
que? you are asking the market leader to keep up with a product that hasn't been released yet?
Now if Apple can only keep up?
Keep up to what?
Apple's been turning the entire handheld market in its head since 2001. I wonder if everyone else will be able to get even close to Apple, never mind keeping up. So far the also-rans have been unimpressive, to say the least.
So developers are going to leave the iPod/iPhone platform in order to develop for this thing?
Riiight.
Yep. These developers. And these. And the ones who wish they could have this. Perhaps this article is also interesting?
I'm getting tired of bbCode.
http://www.infoworld.com/t/tech-indu...developers-253
http://www.infoworld.com/t/platforms...speechless-128
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/...end-around-084
Indirectly related, still frightening: http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-sour...oft-cannot-090
And best for last...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/...-rejection-773
Yeah, all links are from the same site. I was feeling lazy. My point is only that the iPhone doesn't have developers around the world smitten completely, far from it. You might even include me there, though I wouldn't call myself a developer yet -- I will be buying an Android phone soon though, and I will be taking more than a peek at its SDK.
Bit of a tech sheet here about the ZMS-05 CPU. Some other info here.
I'm not a hardware guy, but it looks pretty cool to me. I hope it's not just smoke and marketing.
- Jasen.
I think a lot of people on these tech sites do not think as a normal non-tech user. A lot users do not know of and have no idea what Android is, and most don't care. When you add in different OS options and developers possibly needing to create different versions of apps for each OS - confusing to users.
How will this thing sync, are they going to go the Pre route and piggyback off iTunes? How will people sync calendars, contacts, bookmarks, email, etc. Is video chat only usable with WiFi, if so how useful is that? Will it link/sync to some music/video store, if so which one?
Why force developers to pay $400 for the device when it's not even proven or guaranteed it will be a big seller. Wouldn't developers be worried about wasting $400 and wasting their time developing for an unproven device with no user base as of yet?
As I said, on surface - 32x2 storage, HD, 1080p, 2 cams, etc... sounds great, but too early to tell.
Lastly, it would be nice if companies actually used their own ingenuity & developed their own new devices and stopped waiting for Apple to do the thinking & developing - then just copy them. That is very lazy, using Apple for R&D.
If Apple does release their tablet soon and it is successful, guaranteed Dell, HP, MSFT & others will copy it in 6-12 months.
R&D of the tech companies -- watch Apple's keynotes + product releases + website = copy.
On the surface, this looks like a winning device, and it could be, but it has a lot of unanswered questions right now, so it is wayyy too early to judge.
.....
How will this thing sync, are they going to go the Pre route and piggyback off iTunes? How will people sync calendars, contacts, bookmarks, email, etc. Is video chat only usable with WiFi, if so how useful is that? Will it link/sync to some music/video store, if so which one?
Very true, I agree. I bought an Archos 605 a while back... incredible specs, crap product. Bad construction, broken software, generally a mess.
I hope Creative does a good job on this one. I think I may get it and enjoy it, but many users will want a complete package of "extras", which Apple does very well -- Creative, not so much.
So much for being Creative Technology, when you have to copy other company's idea and design. We will see who is going to be the loser here.
Nice package it sounds like. Let's wait and what what it does and how it does those functions well.
If it has GoogleTalk and Skype support you are talking a device that offers some real value. It could pay for itself with lower phone bills.
Isn't that that the case/bezel that some China-based leak was trying say was going to be used in the yet to be revealed 3GS?
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ts_photos.html
http://images.appleinsider.com/parts-090528-5.jpg
http://images.appleinsider.com/parts-090528-9.jpg
Interesting. It sure do look like it.
C
apart from connecting to an external monitor/tv - which very few of us actually do - for the life of me i can't see the appeal of 1080p on a device that has a screen that is much smaller than 1080. and also the hd video camera, i don't see the point yet.
I think the idea is similar to what Apple does with its iPods and phones. Send the signal out to a monitor or Tv at that rez, not watch it on the device at that rez.
Apple isn't up to 1080i yet, but might be next rev.
on a side note, it appears all that huffing and puffing Apple did about "protecting their patents" for the iphone and ipod touch was really a bunch of hot air. we've now been FLOODED with wanna-be products that copy just about every feature of the apple devices and not one single product is being stopped by apple legal. kinda sad if you ask me...