<strong>LOL, it's not clear that Giambi is going to wear pinstripes next season? Gimme a break. Giambi's not going to pass up that kind of cash.
I just hope to god Barry Bonds is willing to take a pay-cut to stick with SF. He's a native son after all. He grew up in SF. His father was a Giant. Willie Mays is a his friggin' godfather...and by god if he stays and if the Giants can get one decent pitcher, they'll be sailing to next year's play-offs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
hey eugene, u a Gs fan??
sweet
how do u like it up there in frisco? i almost went to berkeley--used to live in san jose...
i think w/ ortiz, reuter, estes, and hernandez, they are ok, but not great--just hope they can keep schmitt (sp?).
as of now, w/ out barry, they have no offense. last year, he was their offense--kinda sickening...
we need another outfielder and starting pitcher...but dont see anything big happening...
[quote]ok, lemme go through this again cause yer dense bias has desensitized u...<hr></blockquote>
MY dense bias!? LOL. you're the one with apparant personal problems with the Yankees.
[quote] to how dominant they weren't. get it??? they WERE NOT dominant--u missed my point yet again...<hr></blockquote>
no, got that right. their offense sucked. their core club got too old and forgot how to hit. it didn't help that
1.) they couldn't hit
2.) they faced the toughest pitching they have in 2 series this year than they did since the 96 braves.
[quote]
knoblach (sp?)--he was a big name player--i remember how when the yanks got him, everyone was saying that the yanks were gonna dominate even more. just cause he sucks now doesnt mean that he wasnt good at one point.
el duque--a very good pitcher a few years ago. u remember that?? apparently not, cause yet again u only address how things are now...im looking at the big picture here, not a one-dimensional view that u seem to be stuck in...
williams--yes, and i never said he wasnt from the farm. but yet again, they have that money to throw around to keep the big names, which most other teams cant even think of doing.
justice--again another big name when he came to NY, but apparently u seem stuck and wont even consider that he was a big name...
o'neill--well when u have so many big players on one team, some people are gonna be overshadowed, even though theyd be one of the big names on most other teams...<hr></blockquote>
I guess we just disagree with what classifies a "bigname" player. Bigname player in my book is like I said, a player who's jersey is worn by kids our of the team's area. ie: Jeter, Griffey Jr., Bonds, McGwire, Ichiro, Sosa, Garciaparra, Johnson, Clemens, P. Martinez, etc. the Yankees don't have many of those kind of players besides Jeter, Williams, and Clemens. do you not agree?
el duque definitely IS NOT classified a bigname player. you may have a case with the other ones based on what you think a bigname player is but el Duque was never more than a number 3-4 starter and on most other teams wouldn't be higher than that either.
[quote]
tell me something--how many teams have as many quality starting pitchers as the yanks??? i can only think of one--the As...
the difference is that the yanks bought all of theirs...<hr></blockquote>
the Yankees bought Pettite and the scrubs who filled in the "5 role all year? the Yankees went and TRADED for Clemens. They "bought" Mussina.
and do you not know of the Mariners and Braves for stellar pitching staffs?
[quote]
dont call me dumb til u actually have some points that show that u have some bit of intelligence to back up yer bias-based shallow arguments.<hr></blockquote>
you're not dumb, you have some serious problems.
:eek:
[quote]
oh yeah, just cause yer spoiled over there doesnt mean that every other team can buy anyone for any price. over here in houston, we have these things called limits--which means that we work w/ what we have...we cant sign all of our freeagents, cause we cant afford to...so some leave. the yanks can sign anyone they want.<hr></blockquote>
Houston's owner is the cause for that. it's all a matter of how much profits the owner wants. Houston has over 3,000,000 attendance every year. don't tell me you can't spend the same. that's BS. they choose not to.
[quote]so dont compare other teams to yer yanks, cause we dont have the cash to do whatever we want. if we have a hole in our lineup, we go as low as AA to find someone, anyone to help out. we dont just automatically run around and shop fer someone to take his place. did u know that our starting rotation last season was made up of 4 AA and AAA minor leaguers going into the post season?? and yet still managed the best record in baseball...<hr></blockquote>
ok, start w/ big name players--if thats yer definition, ok ill work w/ u. based on that, most teams dont even have 1, let alone the 3 u listed on the yankees. glad we agree that u still have more than everyone else. so whats yer point again...?
next point.
the braves have what, 2 good pitchers left? the mariners have some good arms too (most from the houston system btw ). however, they dont have the depth in the starting staff that the yankees or As do. oh, and the As had a crappy bullpen, which was a mariners a yankee strength.
the reason most teams dont have so much money to play w/ is cause maybe the owner isnt someone who has that much money at his disposal. dont say that the other owners dont know how to run the business, cause that just cr*p. the yankees get alot of ther money from the tv contracts and many other things cause NY is a great spot for a team to play. theres just more money to work w/ cause of the city.
so we cant spend the same--if we do, the owner loses money, which is why houston, and most other teams, has limits. steinbrenner (sp?) has more to work w/, its simple as that. get it? oh btw, we've only had attendance that high this year--before we got this new stadium, we had about 25k per game...which aint much to work w/ there...
and yes, i have serious problems, cause i see things as they are...that makes sense...
<strong>My eyes are getting sore reading this thread...
applenut you are right
I am wrong
how could I ever doubt you...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
murbot, you thought anyone else was gunna win. I think everyone here knows that once applenut gets started on a specific thing no one else will ever win the argument.
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<strong>LOL, it's not clear that Giambi is going to wear pinstripes next season? Gimme a break. Giambi's not going to pass up that kind of cash.
I just hope to god Barry Bonds is willing to take a pay-cut to stick with SF. He's a native son after all. He grew up in SF. His father was a Giant. Willie Mays is a his friggin' godfather...and by god if he stays and if the Giants can get one decent pitcher, they'll be sailing to next year's play-offs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
hey eugene, u a Gs fan??
sweet
how do u like it up there in frisco? i almost went to berkeley--used to live in san jose...
i think w/ ortiz, reuter, estes, and hernandez, they are ok, but not great--just hope they can keep schmitt (sp?).
as of now, w/ out barry, they have no offense. last year, he was their offense--kinda sickening...
we need another outfielder and starting pitcher...but dont see anything big happening...
oh well, i dont care
just wish the season would hurry up and start
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
MY dense bias!? LOL. you're the one with apparant personal problems with the Yankees.
[quote] to how dominant they weren't. get it??? they WERE NOT dominant--u missed my point yet again...<hr></blockquote>
no, got that right. their offense sucked. their core club got too old and forgot how to hit. it didn't help that
1.) they couldn't hit
2.) they faced the toughest pitching they have in 2 series this year than they did since the 96 braves.
[quote]
knoblach (sp?)--he was a big name player--i remember how when the yanks got him, everyone was saying that the yanks were gonna dominate even more. just cause he sucks now doesnt mean that he wasnt good at one point.
el duque--a very good pitcher a few years ago. u remember that?? apparently not, cause yet again u only address how things are now...im looking at the big picture here, not a one-dimensional view that u seem to be stuck in...
williams--yes, and i never said he wasnt from the farm. but yet again, they have that money to throw around to keep the big names, which most other teams cant even think of doing.
justice--again another big name when he came to NY, but apparently u seem stuck and wont even consider that he was a big name...
o'neill--well when u have so many big players on one team, some people are gonna be overshadowed, even though theyd be one of the big names on most other teams...<hr></blockquote>
I guess we just disagree with what classifies a "bigname" player. Bigname player in my book is like I said, a player who's jersey is worn by kids our of the team's area. ie: Jeter, Griffey Jr., Bonds, McGwire, Ichiro, Sosa, Garciaparra, Johnson, Clemens, P. Martinez, etc. the Yankees don't have many of those kind of players besides Jeter, Williams, and Clemens. do you not agree?
el duque definitely IS NOT classified a bigname player. you may have a case with the other ones based on what you think a bigname player is but el Duque was never more than a number 3-4 starter and on most other teams wouldn't be higher than that either.
[quote]
tell me something--how many teams have as many quality starting pitchers as the yanks??? i can only think of one--the As...
the difference is that the yanks bought all of theirs...<hr></blockquote>
the Yankees bought Pettite and the scrubs who filled in the "5 role all year? the Yankees went and TRADED for Clemens. They "bought" Mussina.
and do you not know of the Mariners and Braves for stellar pitching staffs?
[quote]
dont call me dumb til u actually have some points that show that u have some bit of intelligence to back up yer bias-based shallow arguments.<hr></blockquote>
you're not dumb, you have some serious problems.
:eek:
[quote]
oh yeah, just cause yer spoiled over there doesnt mean that every other team can buy anyone for any price. over here in houston, we have these things called limits--which means that we work w/ what we have...we cant sign all of our freeagents, cause we cant afford to...so some leave. the yanks can sign anyone they want.<hr></blockquote>
Houston's owner is the cause for that. it's all a matter of how much profits the owner wants. Houston has over 3,000,000 attendance every year. don't tell me you can't spend the same. that's BS. they choose not to.
[quote]so dont compare other teams to yer yanks, cause we dont have the cash to do whatever we want. if we have a hole in our lineup, we go as low as AA to find someone, anyone to help out. we dont just automatically run around and shop fer someone to take his place. did u know that our starting rotation last season was made up of 4 AA and AAA minor leaguers going into the post season?? and yet still managed the best record in baseball...<hr></blockquote>
great, that's not at all bias
next point.
the braves have what, 2 good pitchers left? the mariners have some good arms too (most from the houston system btw
the reason most teams dont have so much money to play w/ is cause maybe the owner isnt someone who has that much money at his disposal. dont say that the other owners dont know how to run the business, cause that just cr*p. the yankees get alot of ther money from the tv contracts and many other things cause NY is a great spot for a team to play. theres just more money to work w/ cause of the city.
so we cant spend the same--if we do, the owner loses money, which is why houston, and most other teams, has limits. steinbrenner (sp?) has more to work w/, its simple as that. get it? oh btw, we've only had attendance that high this year--before we got this new stadium, we had about 25k per game...which aint much to work w/ there...
and yes, i have serious problems, cause i see things as they are...that makes sense...
applenut you are right
I am wrong
how could I ever doubt you...
Just forget it and start watching hockey you guys, it is the best game in the world after all.
<strong>My eyes are getting sore reading this thread...
applenut you are right
I am wrong
how could I ever doubt you...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
murbot, you thought anyone else was gunna win. I think everyone here knows that once applenut gets started on a specific thing no one else will ever win the argument.
I'm done, we'll see how long the other guys want to keep whipping a dead horse...
<strong>I don't know if it's "winning" as much as continuing to post until everyone else gets tired of arguing the same thing over and over again.
I'm done, we'll see how long the other guys want to keep whipping a dead horse...</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's exactly why I haven't posted in this thread as much as I normally would've.
<strong>
That's exactly why I haven't posted in this thread as much as I normally would've.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yeah well im a stubborn SOB and so is applenut...
however, i dont like his opinions on this thread, so i think ill stick through it
actually, i dont like his opinions on most threads... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
oh well
<strong>
yeah well im a stubborn SOB and so is applenut...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really? I would never have been able to tell
<strong>
Really? I would never have been able to tell
i know, right?
sh*t, normally im just a conformist and dont ask questions...
just let powertrips like applenut take control everything cause he's always right...