This has nothing got to do with Apple offering an iTunes TV Show subscription service, which ultimately they very may well do, if they get the licenses. Record TV? Why record anything when you can just stream it. So no DVR, but yes to subscription, with perhaps some live content in the future like news and sports.
This shit is a no-brainer.
Dead on! Esp Sports and News. OH yeah and add iphone games with iphone controller while we're at it.
By "continuing to lower prices", I am hoping this means that now that Apple has 'dealt' with thier macbooks/macbook pros (and presumably freed up some engineers mid-iphone cycle, and what-not) they could move on to the iMac..
I'm very keen on buying one - but don't want the existing model - I'm hoping for something with a bit of 'boom'.
That said, I think Apple have probably adjusted their product cycles slowing the current one down a bit to keep prices down rather than go for the exiting but equally expensive successor.
It is unfortunately but true, AppleTV isn't very nice with movies I already own. I do not know why it does not do movie playlists? Then I would be able to organize my movies (ripped for AppleTV, ripped for iPod). Now it is just all the movies under My Movies.
And come on Apple, not everyone has to buy from iTunes. I have never bought a movie from iTunes because DVD and Blu-ray are better quality for less or the same price.
Laser discs are lame. Once you switch to a media server you'll never want anything else. BTW Apple TV just added support for movie playlists. Haven't taken the time to try it but it's there.
Subscription is a decent idea, but Netflix is SD and stereo . When a cable broadcast can beat the performance of streaming, what's the point of paying extra for netflix and an Apple TV? I love my HD 5.1 Dolby SS downloads of Madmen and wouldn't trade it for Netflix streaming at all. I can watch the shows on my commutes to the city on my iphone and I can load them on to a space ipod and loan them to friends.
Now if we're talking about shows to watch but don't want to own, then just add an SD stream only subscription option, (access to all SD streams) but there is no need to add netflix. Their library isn't perfect either and they have to wait for the DVD to come out before they can sell or stream it. I get Madmen the day after it airs.
Even Qwest is building out it's 40Mbps FTTN even in Eastern WA. I imagine Apple will target streaming when a broad enough number of Americans can get it.
But that's not going to happen. So Apple can only go so far with the AppleTV.
They can only go so far if they don't have the ambition. It seems like there's an ideology that's holding them back. I think AppleTV has potential, it feels like they had intended on doing something, the final piece of the puzzle to make it a must-have device for the broad market, but because that final piece hasn't materialized, it's fallen short. At least in my opinion. It has its market, but it's not following the iPod's popularity or mind share.
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Originally Posted by gigi
Forget the integration of Hulu, this web site was created to avoid a total control of iTunes over the video section like Apple did with music.
Apple does'nt need other for that, they will offer their own solution for sure
The origin of Hulu doesn't matter though, NBCU thought they could migrate users off of iTunes by not allowing their media to be sold on iTunes, but I guess it didn't work out well enough for them, they did come back. That said, Hulu seems to be pretty well established, I know regular Hulu users, but I don't know any regular buyers of iTunes videos.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
This has nothing got to do with Apple offering an iTunes TV Show subscription service, which ultimately they very may well do, if they get the licenses. Record TV? Why record anything when you can just stream it. So no DVR, but yes to subscription, with perhaps some live content in the future like news and sports.
Assuming they get the rights to enough of a catalog.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad
Apple never had any intention of building a box that would be dependent on someone else (cable/satellite) for content. Those who thought differently were deluding themselves.
As long as Apple doesn't make content, they will always be dependent on someone else for the content that justifies buying their product. If you don't buy video from iTunes, then the reasons to get AppleTV gets a little strained at best. They need something, and that something seems to be very long overdue.
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I'm not in the market for the AppleTV because the Canadian iTunes store doesn't list any of the shows I watch and doesn't give me any option for live sports. Besides, my kids would kill me if I cut off their cartoon channels. At $2/day cable still makes sense for us.
I agree, AppleTV doesn't appear to be a substitute for cable/sat for a lot of people.
27 million iPhones this year? That would be 18 million in the second half, or something like 7 million this quarter and 11 million next quarter. I find that quite optimistic.
Laser discs are lame. Once you switch to a media server you'll never want anything else. BTW Apple TV just added support for movie playlists. Haven't taken the time to try it but it's there.
I have the latest version, 2.4, and there are no playlists for movies. Yeah lame. Discs may be lame if you don't care for better picture quality.
I have the latest version, 2.4, and there are no playlists for movies. Yeah lame. Discs may be lame if you don't care for better picture quality.
Or for people who can't be bothered to spend the 30 seconds it takes to put a disc in the tray each time they sit down to watch a two hour film, but will spend hundreds of hours ripping their DVD collections into an even more compressed format.
The least-expensive desktop PC I could find from Dell featuring the i7 sells for $849. I wonder, is that how much most consumers of Windows PCs are spending?
The least expensive iMac sells for $1199 so obviously Apple believes consumers should spend far more than $849.
There is an enormous gulf between the mobile Core 2 Duo and the desktop Core i7. My point is that you can buy 2012 iMac performance today and it won't even cost you as much as a 2009 iMac. So even three years from now your beaten old PC will still be "state of the art" by Apple standards. That isn't sad it's pathetic.
I'd rather have a genuine Mac, but the gap is getting so wide that I may not be able to resist a hackintosh much longer.
i have always seen the Apple TV as a way to promote video on the itunes store. so anything that cuts into that (hulu integration etc) is unlikely in my opinion.
That's the problem in a nut shell. Apple shouldn't use the Apple TV a marketting tool for iTunes DRM content, it should be making the best media player possible. That means opening it up to apps, codecs, web content etc. The current stance is riduclously restrictive.
Can you imagine how many more Apple TVs Apple would sell if people could easily install apps to stream content from any online video source?
Laser discs are lame. Once you switch to a media server you'll never want anything else. BTW Apple TV just added support for movie playlists. Haven't taken the time to try it but it's there.
Laser discs? Now there's a blast from the past.
I do like blu-ray though. The quality is light years ahead of anything Apple offers and I'm not so lazy that I can't be bothered to spend 5 seconds inserting a disc into my PS3.
I do like blu-ray though. The quality is light years ahead of anything Apple offers and I'm not so lazy that I can't be bothered to spend 5 seconds inserting a disc into my PS3.
Yeah, it was a catch-all to mean optical discs. I happened to have Laserdiscs, I bought them cheap after they went out of style with DVD. I haven't watched one since I bought Blu-Ray though.
And Blu-Ray certainly is very nice. Noticeably nicer than other HD formats on a standard screen, and except for HD-DVD, nothing else comes even close on a 200" screen. It's like a theater projection in your home, better than that if compared against the film shops.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
Yeah I said that. Well I used the word licenses, but you get the point.
Whoops, I missed that line.
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Originally Posted by kotatsu
That's the problem in a nut shell. Apple shouldn't use the Apple TV a marketting tool for iTunes DRM content, it should be making the best media player possible. That means opening it up to apps, codecs, web content etc. The current stance is riduclously restrictive.
Can you imagine how many more Apple TVs Apple would sell if people could easily install apps to stream content from any online video source?
I can, but it's not happening. Apple has their own agenda, and that agenda doesn't seem to include doing anything to make AppleTV anything more than a niche player, which is unlike the iPod. It's been a while, but I think its main reason for being was to get movies on the iTunes store. I think it's been about a year and a half since its last feature update, if something doesn't get announced soon, it will seem like an abandoned product.
I can, but it's not happening. Apple has their own agenda, and that agenda doesn't seem to include doing anything to make AppleTV anything more than a niche player, which is unlike the iPod. It's been a while, but I think its main reason for being was to get movies on the iTunes store. I think it's been about a year and a half since its last feature update, if something doesn't get announced soon, it will seem like an abandoned product.
I totally agree. It's sad because AppleTV has so much potential. It's also surprising, because other electronics companies seem to understand that people want a digital hub/media server in the living room and are trying to deliver this. They are even taunting Apple at times, like when HP included time machine support. I am surprised Apple isn't jumping all over this challenge. Of course in my opinion, these companies haven't been able to hit a home run yet, even with Apple on the sidelines. I know Apple could dominate this market if they chose to go after it. Maybe they will.
I can see Steve in a darkened office, with a wall of displays showing him each product announcement and Tech review from various companies (roku, HP, Linksys, Sling, etc.)...and he is just stroking his beard and laughing a maniacal laugh. "Just wait" he says "You have no idea what's coming" with a snicker. Toying with us all, waiting for the perfect time to unleash the iProd on the world.
Yeah okay, so that's my fantasy...well at least the one of the few that is on-topic anyway.
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This has nothing got to do with Apple offering an iTunes TV Show subscription service, which ultimately they very may well do, if they get the licenses. Record TV? Why record anything when you can just stream it. So no DVR, but yes to subscription, with perhaps some live content in the future like news and sports.
This shit is a no-brainer.
Dead on! Esp Sports and News. OH yeah and add iphone games with iphone controller while we're at it.
By "continuing to lower prices", I am hoping this means that now that Apple has 'dealt' with thier macbooks/macbook pros (and presumably freed up some engineers mid-iphone cycle, and what-not) they could move on to the iMac..
I'm very keen on buying one - but don't want the existing model - I'm hoping for something with a bit of 'boom'.
That said, I think Apple have probably adjusted their product cycles slowing the current one down a bit to keep prices down rather than go for the exiting but equally expensive successor.
The Core i5 is now out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115215
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115214
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115213
That will probably be the next update to the iMac.
It is unfortunately but true, AppleTV isn't very nice with movies I already own. I do not know why it does not do movie playlists? Then I would be able to organize my movies (ripped for AppleTV, ripped for iPod). Now it is just all the movies under My Movies.
And come on Apple, not everyone has to buy from iTunes. I have never bought a movie from iTunes because DVD and Blu-ray are better quality for less or the same price.
Laser discs are lame. Once you switch to a media server you'll never want anything else. BTW Apple TV just added support for movie playlists. Haven't taken the time to try it but it's there.
Subscription is a decent idea, but Netflix is SD and stereo . When a cable broadcast can beat the performance of streaming, what's the point of paying extra for netflix and an Apple TV? I love my HD 5.1 Dolby SS downloads of Madmen and wouldn't trade it for Netflix streaming at all. I can watch the shows on my commutes to the city on my iphone and I can load them on to a space ipod and loan them to friends.
Now if we're talking about shows to watch but don't want to own, then just add an SD stream only subscription option, (access to all SD streams) but there is no need to add netflix. Their library isn't perfect either and they have to wait for the DVD to come out before they can sell or stream it. I get Madmen the day after it airs.
Even Qwest is building out it's 40Mbps FTTN even in Eastern WA. I imagine Apple will target streaming when a broad enough number of Americans can get it.
But that's not going to happen. So Apple can only go so far with the AppleTV.
They can only go so far if they don't have the ambition. It seems like there's an ideology that's holding them back. I think AppleTV has potential, it feels like they had intended on doing something, the final piece of the puzzle to make it a must-have device for the broad market, but because that final piece hasn't materialized, it's fallen short. At least in my opinion. It has its market, but it's not following the iPod's popularity or mind share.
Forget the integration of Hulu, this web site was created to avoid a total control of iTunes over the video section like Apple did with music.
Apple does'nt need other for that, they will offer their own solution for sure
The origin of Hulu doesn't matter though, NBCU thought they could migrate users off of iTunes by not allowing their media to be sold on iTunes, but I guess it didn't work out well enough for them, they did come back. That said, Hulu seems to be pretty well established, I know regular Hulu users, but I don't know any regular buyers of iTunes videos.
This has nothing got to do with Apple offering an iTunes TV Show subscription service, which ultimately they very may well do, if they get the licenses. Record TV? Why record anything when you can just stream it. So no DVR, but yes to subscription, with perhaps some live content in the future like news and sports.
Assuming they get the rights to enough of a catalog.
Apple never had any intention of building a box that would be dependent on someone else (cable/satellite) for content. Those who thought differently were deluding themselves.
As long as Apple doesn't make content, they will always be dependent on someone else for the content that justifies buying their product. If you don't buy video from iTunes, then the reasons to get AppleTV gets a little strained at best. They need something, and that something seems to be very long overdue.
I'm not in the market for the AppleTV because the Canadian iTunes store doesn't list any of the shows I watch and doesn't give me any option for live sports. Besides, my kids would kill me if I cut off their cartoon channels. At $2/day cable still makes sense for us.
I agree, AppleTV doesn't appear to be a substitute for cable/sat for a lot of people.
Subscription is a decent idea, but Netflix is SD and stereo .
I stream Netflix through a Mac Mini which is connected to my 5.1 amplifier using
the optical audio out jack. The audio is definitely 5.1 on the episodes of "Lost"
I have been watching. I don't know about the video definition, but I can see the
hair on Evangeline Lilly's arms (on my 52" tv)..
I don't know about the video definition, but I can see the
hair on Evangeline Lilly's arms (on my 52" tv)..
Laser discs are lame. Once you switch to a media server you'll never want anything else. BTW Apple TV just added support for movie playlists. Haven't taken the time to try it but it's there.
I have the latest version, 2.4, and there are no playlists for movies. Yeah lame. Discs may be lame if you don't care for better picture quality.
I have the latest version, 2.4, and there are no playlists for movies. Yeah lame. Discs may be lame if you don't care for better picture quality.
Or for people who can't be bothered to spend the 30 seconds it takes to put a disc in the tray each time they sit down to watch a two hour film, but will spend hundreds of hours ripping their DVD collections into an even more compressed format.
The least-expensive desktop PC I could find from Dell featuring the i7 sells for $849. I wonder, is that how much most consumers of Windows PCs are spending?
The least expensive iMac sells for $1199 so obviously Apple believes consumers should spend far more than $849.
There is an enormous gulf between the mobile Core 2 Duo and the desktop Core i7. My point is that you can buy 2012 iMac performance today and it won't even cost you as much as a 2009 iMac. So even three years from now your beaten old PC will still be "state of the art" by Apple standards. That isn't sad it's pathetic.
I'd rather have a genuine Mac, but the gap is getting so wide that I may not be able to resist a hackintosh much longer.
i have always seen the Apple TV as a way to promote video on the itunes store. so anything that cuts into that (hulu integration etc) is unlikely in my opinion.
That's the problem in a nut shell. Apple shouldn't use the Apple TV a marketting tool for iTunes DRM content, it should be making the best media player possible. That means opening it up to apps, codecs, web content etc. The current stance is riduclously restrictive.
Can you imagine how many more Apple TVs Apple would sell if people could easily install apps to stream content from any online video source?
Laser discs are lame. Once you switch to a media server you'll never want anything else. BTW Apple TV just added support for movie playlists. Haven't taken the time to try it but it's there.
Laser discs? Now there's a blast from the past.
I do like blu-ray though. The quality is light years ahead of anything Apple offers and I'm not so lazy that I can't be bothered to spend 5 seconds inserting a disc into my PS3.
Assuming they get the rights to enough of a catalog.
Yeah I said that. Well I used the word licenses, but you get the point.
Laser discs? Now there's a blast from the past.
I do like blu-ray though. The quality is light years ahead of anything Apple offers and I'm not so lazy that I can't be bothered to spend 5 seconds inserting a disc into my PS3.
Yeah, it was a catch-all to mean optical discs. I happened to have Laserdiscs, I bought them cheap after they went out of style with DVD. I haven't watched one since I bought Blu-Ray though.
And Blu-Ray certainly is very nice. Noticeably nicer than other HD formats on a standard screen, and except for HD-DVD, nothing else comes even close on a 200" screen. It's like a theater projection in your home, better than that if compared against the film shops.
Yeah I said that. Well I used the word licenses, but you get the point.
Whoops, I missed that line.
That's the problem in a nut shell. Apple shouldn't use the Apple TV a marketting tool for iTunes DRM content, it should be making the best media player possible. That means opening it up to apps, codecs, web content etc. The current stance is riduclously restrictive.
Can you imagine how many more Apple TVs Apple would sell if people could easily install apps to stream content from any online video source?
I can, but it's not happening. Apple has their own agenda, and that agenda doesn't seem to include doing anything to make AppleTV anything more than a niche player, which is unlike the iPod. It's been a while, but I think its main reason for being was to get movies on the iTunes store. I think it's been about a year and a half since its last feature update, if something doesn't get announced soon, it will seem like an abandoned product.
I can, but it's not happening. Apple has their own agenda, and that agenda doesn't seem to include doing anything to make AppleTV anything more than a niche player, which is unlike the iPod. It's been a while, but I think its main reason for being was to get movies on the iTunes store. I think it's been about a year and a half since its last feature update, if something doesn't get announced soon, it will seem like an abandoned product.
I totally agree. It's sad because AppleTV has so much potential. It's also surprising, because other electronics companies seem to understand that people want a digital hub/media server in the living room and are trying to deliver this. They are even taunting Apple at times, like when HP included time machine support. I am surprised Apple isn't jumping all over this challenge. Of course in my opinion, these companies haven't been able to hit a home run yet, even with Apple on the sidelines. I know Apple could dominate this market if they chose to go after it. Maybe they will.
I can see Steve in a darkened office, with a wall of displays showing him each product announcement and Tech review from various companies (roku, HP, Linksys, Sling, etc.)...and he is just stroking his beard and laughing a maniacal laugh. "Just wait" he says "You have no idea what's coming" with a snicker. Toying with us all, waiting for the perfect time to unleash the iProd on the world.
Yeah okay, so that's my fantasy...well at least the one of the few that is on-topic anyway.
That is all.