According to The Daily Telegraph, the merger of Orange and T-Mobile in the U.K. would have 28.4 million customers representing 37 percent of the market.
My first thought after reading the above was that there must have been a population explosion in the past few years.
I understand that the UK has just over 60 million residents.* If so, the two companies would have over 47% of the entire population as customers. I would be interested in hearing how they define the "market."
My first thought after reading the above was that there must have been a population explosion in the past few years.
I understand that the UK has just over 60 million residents.* If so, the two companies would have over 47% of the entire population as customers. I would be interested in hearing how they define the "market."
Ever thought that some people might have more than one mobile? I certainly have a personal T-Mobile contract, and a work O2 contract.
Having said that, the operators are a little fast and loose with their numbers -- PAYG in particular. Most operators will still count you as a 'customer' even if you haven't used the SIM for 3-6 months. With churn rates as high as 30%, that's a lot of double-counting! So, a more realistic number might be a good 20-25% lower than the operator claimed number.
Having been with both Orange and T-Mobile in the UK I am glad that I am with neither now. Orange customer service used to be fantastic, now, its crap. T-Mobile have countless issues with their network infrastructure which leads to missed calls, no caller ID and service dropouts.
I understand that the UK has just over 60 million residents.* If so, the two companies would have over 47% of the entire population as customers. I would be interested in hearing how they define the "market."
Cell phone penetration in the UK stands at about 110% (i.e. 66 million customers in a population of 60 million people). Many people either have a work and personal SIM or two personal SIMs. So, one person can be double-counted in some instances.
I believe Italy has even higher cell phone penetration, around 117% the last time I looked.
According to The Daily Telegraph, the merger of Orange and T-Mobile in the U.K. would have 28.4 million customers representing 37 percent of the market.
My first thought after reading the above was that there must have been a population explosion in the past few years.
I understand that the UK has just over 60 million residents.* If so, the two companies would have over 47% of the entire population as customers. I would be interested in hearing how they define the "market."
Cell phone penetration in the UK stands at about 110% (i.e. 66 million customers in a population of 60 million people). Many people either have a work and personal SIM or two personal SIMs. So, one person can be double-counted in some instances.
I believe Italy has even higher cell phone penetration, around 117% the last time I looked.
According to the CIA Factbook, the UK has over 72 million cell phone subscribers.
As a researcher, I was just interested in how they defined the market, in particular, the number of customers, i.e., people, were unique subscribers.
Consider (1) that approximately 25% of the population, i.e., young children and the elderly, would be less likely to have such and an indigent rate of at least 6%, and other factors that may influence purchasing power, e.g., labour force 50%; below poverty line 14%; unemployment 6%, etc.
(2) Much of European cell phone users use prepaid cards.
The last fact alone makes it virtually impossible to determine the actual number of unique users.
Cell phone penetration in the UK stands at about 110% (i.e. 66 million customers in a population of 60 million people). Many people either have a work and personal SIM or two personal SIMs. So, one person can be double-counted in some instances.
I believe Italy has even higher cell phone penetration, around 117% the last time I looked.
Some people mentioned that carriers count SIMs that haven't been active for several months to half a year.
How do people handle multiple SIMs if they keep them in active use? Are they carried around like loose change, you swap them at home, at work or what? Do you carry around multiple phones? Seems pretty cumbersome to me.
Some people mentioned that carriers count SIMs that haven't been active for several months to half a year.
How do people handle multiple SIMs if they keep them in active use? Are they carried around like loose change, you swap them at home, at work or what? Do you carry around multiple phones? Seems pretty cumbersome to me.
"Active" doesn't mean that it's active use --- it means you are paying the prepaid top-up fee once every few months in order to keep your telephone number.
In third world countries like India, they make specialized GSM phones that can hold 2 SIM cards.
Virgin Mobile USA's IPO papers said that they used 150 days --- when the rest of American carriers use 90 days. Idiots should know that those were big alarm bells and shouldn't have invested in the IPO in the first place. They lost their ass with that IPO.
Softbank Mobile keeps on winning more subscribers every month --- their secret? Not the iphone, but an accounting change --- they use an even more absurd 12 months rule (when the rest of Japanese carriers also use 90 days rule).
This whole article is total FUD ! the original Telegraph article hardly mentions the iPhone, O2s exclusivity rights to the iPhone ends this year and Orange and others say they will also be selling it before xmas.
T-Mobile UK has been for sale for a while and this merger was dreamed up to get around strict regulator control that would apply to a sale but not a merger.
Sorry kids but you totally made this story up just link something to Apple since It's only rock and roll
This whole article is total FUD ! the original Telegraph article hardly mentions the iPhone, O2s exclusivity rights to the iPhone ends this year and Orange and others say they will also be selling it before xmas.
T-Mobile UK has been for sale for a while and this merger was dreamed up to get around strict regulator control that would apply to a sale but not a merger.
Makes sense, someone pointed out that this article was twisted from the source.
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Sorry kids but you totally made this story up just link something to Apple since It's only rock and roll
was such a massive let down !
FUDFUDFUDFUD
Do you know how to read dates? This story was published on Tuesday, the Apple presentation was Wednesday.
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According to The Daily Telegraph, the merger of Orange and T-Mobile in the U.K. would have 28.4 million customers representing 37 percent of the market.
My first thought after reading the above was that there must have been a population explosion in the past few years.
I understand that the UK has just over 60 million residents.* If so, the two companies would have over 47% of the entire population as customers. I would be interested in hearing how they define the "market."
*https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/uk.html
My first thought after reading the above was that there must have been a population explosion in the past few years.
I understand that the UK has just over 60 million residents.* If so, the two companies would have over 47% of the entire population as customers. I would be interested in hearing how they define the "market."
*https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/uk.html
Ever thought that some people might have more than one mobile? I certainly have a personal T-Mobile contract, and a work O2 contract.
Having said that, the operators are a little fast and loose with their numbers -- PAYG in particular. Most operators will still count you as a 'customer' even if you haven't used the SIM for 3-6 months. With churn rates as high as 30%, that's a lot of double-counting! So, a more realistic number might be a good 20-25% lower than the operator claimed number.
I understand that the UK has just over 60 million residents.* If so, the two companies would have over 47% of the entire population as customers. I would be interested in hearing how they define the "market."
Cell phone penetration in the UK stands at about 110% (i.e. 66 million customers in a population of 60 million people). Many people either have a work and personal SIM or two personal SIMs. So, one person can be double-counted in some instances.
I believe Italy has even higher cell phone penetration, around 117% the last time I looked.
According to The Daily Telegraph, the merger of Orange and T-Mobile in the U.K. would have 28.4 million customers representing 37 percent of the market.
My first thought after reading the above was that there must have been a population explosion in the past few years.
I understand that the UK has just over 60 million residents.* If so, the two companies would have over 47% of the entire population as customers. I would be interested in hearing how they define the "market."
*https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/uk.html
Cell phone penetration in the UK stands at about 110% (i.e. 66 million customers in a population of 60 million people). Many people either have a work and personal SIM or two personal SIMs. So, one person can be double-counted in some instances.
I believe Italy has even higher cell phone penetration, around 117% the last time I looked.
According to the CIA Factbook, the UK has over 72 million cell phone subscribers.
As a researcher, I was just interested in how they defined the market, in particular, the number of customers, i.e., people, were unique subscribers.
Consider (1) that approximately 25% of the population, i.e., young children and the elderly, would be less likely to have such and an indigent rate of at least 6%, and other factors that may influence purchasing power, e.g., labour force 50%; below poverty line 14%; unemployment 6%, etc.
(2) Much of European cell phone users use prepaid cards.
The last fact alone makes it virtually impossible to determine the actual number of unique users.
Cell phone penetration in the UK stands at about 110% (i.e. 66 million customers in a population of 60 million people). Many people either have a work and personal SIM or two personal SIMs. So, one person can be double-counted in some instances.
I believe Italy has even higher cell phone penetration, around 117% the last time I looked.
Some people mentioned that carriers count SIMs that haven't been active for several months to half a year.
How do people handle multiple SIMs if they keep them in active use? Are they carried around like loose change, you swap them at home, at work or what? Do you carry around multiple phones? Seems pretty cumbersome to me.
Deliberately twisting the intent of the original article is just bad form. Bad, Katie! Bad!
Who's Katie?
Some people mentioned that carriers count SIMs that haven't been active for several months to half a year.
How do people handle multiple SIMs if they keep them in active use? Are they carried around like loose change, you swap them at home, at work or what? Do you carry around multiple phones? Seems pretty cumbersome to me.
"Active" doesn't mean that it's active use --- it means you are paying the prepaid top-up fee once every few months in order to keep your telephone number.
In third world countries like India, they make specialized GSM phones that can hold 2 SIM cards.
Virgin Mobile USA's IPO papers said that they used 150 days --- when the rest of American carriers use 90 days. Idiots should know that those were big alarm bells and shouldn't have invested in the IPO in the first place. They lost their ass with that IPO.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3485...usa-ipo-filing
Softbank Mobile keeps on winning more subscribers every month --- their secret? Not the iphone, but an accounting change --- they use an even more absurd 12 months rule (when the rest of Japanese carriers also use 90 days rule).
http://analytica1st.com/analytica1st...look-good.html
T-Mobile UK has been for sale for a while and this merger was dreamed up to get around strict regulator control that would apply to a sale but not a merger.
Sorry kids but you totally made this story up just link something to Apple since It's only rock and roll
was such a massive let down !
FUDFUDFUDFUD
This whole article is total FUD ! the original Telegraph article hardly mentions the iPhone, O2s exclusivity rights to the iPhone ends this year and Orange and others say they will also be selling it before xmas.
T-Mobile UK has been for sale for a while and this merger was dreamed up to get around strict regulator control that would apply to a sale but not a merger.
Makes sense, someone pointed out that this article was twisted from the source.
Sorry kids but you totally made this story up just link something to Apple since It's only rock and roll
was such a massive let down !
FUDFUDFUDFUD
Do you know how to read dates? This story was published on Tuesday, the Apple presentation was Wednesday.