You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can save files to your phone.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can load more than 1 non iPhone app at a time
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you have a Web Browser that allows 3rd party apps.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can edit documents and save them for a presentation for your next meeting.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you don't have an iPhone and you have a Smart Phone. Techincally iPhones aren't even in the smart phone category.
Based on your above definition of a "computer", we didn't have a computer until the mid 1990s and everyone who used DOS and early versions of Windows and Mac OS didn't really have a computer. The definition of a computer is general and does not only apply to a laptop of a desktop computer. For example, the iPhones processor, RAM, and storage exceeds my 1998 Gateway desktop computer. However, my 1998 computer has a 20" display vs iPhone 3.5" display. You shouldn't expect them to do the same thing.
I have countless friends that still have RAZR's and whatever was popular in their day that send me pics of their kids, trips, etc in MMS (not everyone has disposable income and keep their phones until they just don't work anymore because they can't afford to upgrade to a plan that charges $30.00 per month for data.
Dumb phones (most of the phones sold on the planet) use MMS.
My wife's Verizon V710 dumb phone brick that is at least, what three maybe four years old, can send me a picture to my email. It is amazing how that works.
So stop stirring the pot about smart and dumb phones because if your friends want to send you a picture from their razor, they can deliver straight to your email without a data plan. My mom does that with her razor that is a dumb old phone as well.
I was thinking the same thing ... I must be missing something though, what is the purpose?
It's faster than email ,plain and simple. No need to wait for it to travel through servers, etc. It goes right to the phone number. You don't have to compose an email- texting is much more instantaneous. And many don't have access to email as easily as iPhone and smartphone users do- but everyone has a cell phone for receiving MMS!
Based on your above definition of a "computer", we have a computer until the mid 1990s and everyone who used DOS and early versions of Windows and Mac OS didn't really have a computer. The definition of a computer is general and does not only apply to a laptop of a desktop computer.
This isn't mid 1990's this is 14 years later than that. A lot has changed since then.
If that is your only basis for a computer in your pocket then Get the Big Parachute pants of the mid 1990's and put your notebook in your big pockets. That's the only way you'll have a modern operating system in your pocket if you choose Apple as a solution for your Mobile Phone solution. A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means you have a multi-tasking OS in your pocket.
Most of the world doesn't (including all iPhone owners) which still makes a 15 year old MMS "feature" relevant for today.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can save files to your phone.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can load more than 1 non iPhone app at a time
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you have a Web Browser that allows 3rd party apps.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can edit documents and save them for a presentation for your next meeting.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you don't have an iPhone and you have a Smart Phone. Techincally iPhones aren't even in the smart phone category.
Computer - noun - an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
It seems I have a computer in pocket.
I can save files to my phone?
What is a "non iPhone app"??? Is that an app not for the iPhone?
And you are so correct. My iPhone is not in the Smart Phone category. It is in teh uber phone category and there is no equal to it's dominance.
This isn't mid 1990's this is 14 years later than that. A lot has changed since then.
If that is your only basis for a computer in your pocket then Get the Big Parachute pants of the mid 1990's and put your notebook in your big pockets. That's the only way you'll have a modern operating system in your pocket if you choose Apple as a solution for your Mobile Phone solution. A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means you have a multi-tasking OS in your pocket.
Most of the world doesn't (including all iPhone owners) which still makes a 15 year old MMS "feature" relevant for today.
Now you have variable rules to define something? It is or it isn't. Now you are saying a modern OS in your pocket. So is it a computer or modern OS in your pocket? Which one are we suppose to talk about? You're being unclear.
A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means not a lot of anything. Your definition of a Smart Phone is your definition and not the rest of the worlds.
Or Apps like SendPhoto which allowed me to attach multiple full size photo's to emails for over a year...
"Enjoy the new feature which is 15 years old and no multi-tasking operating system."
15 years???
That's surprising as the World's first camera phone was only released nine years ago by Sharp.
There's nothing like a little over-exageration to emphasize a good whine.
It seems to be the way of this forum and were not talking cameras in this particular room we're talking MMS which has been used by countless millions of people and still is everday.
And you are correct MMS is 7 years old. putting Apple 7 years behind the rest of the Mobile OS arena. My aplogies.
This isn't mid 1990's this is 14 years later than that. A lot has changed since then.
If that is your only basis for a computer in your pocket then Get the Big Parachute pants of the mid 1990's and put your notebook in your big pockets. That's the only way you'll have a modern operating system in your pocket if you choose Apple as a solution for your Mobile Phone solution. A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means you have a multi-tasking OS in your pocket.
Most of the world doesn't (including all iPhone owners) which still makes a 15 year old MMS "feature" relevant for today.
Multitasking is not 2009 feature. Many older smartphones did multitask. As many said before the iPhone does multitask but not for third party apps. For example, I can use Nike+, listen to my music, and browse using Safari or use any third party app if I want to all at the same time.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can save files to your phone.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can load more than 1 non iPhone app at a time
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you have a Web Browser that allows 3rd party apps.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can edit documents and save them for a presentation for your next meeting.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you don't have an iPhone and you have a Smart Phone. Techincally iPhones aren't even in the smart phone category.
I'm sorry, but if you're saying the iPhone isn't a smart phone, than your post is definitely an angry one. I don't even think Ballmer would be ballsy enough to make that case. Sure, apple picks and chooses its features at its pace, but what else would the phone be called?
Plus, your definition of a computer is pretty limited, honestly I have never been sitting around on my phone wishing i had a bunch of 3rd party apps clogging up my safari. Plus, why is everyone so gung ho about background tasks, since the inclusion of push messaging I am down to exactly one app that would be nice in the background, pandora. The 3gs loads all my apps so fast I don't really feel like they're closed at all. What am I gonna do, play 3 games on a phone simultaneously? I mean, my internet browser, my music player, my gps app, my email app all are made by apple, and as you already pointed out, all run in the background. So what's left?
So really, the only point you made worth mentioning is the ability to edit documents which i'm sure is in the pipeline. However, again, i doubt thats gonna be a major feature, how often would i do some hardcore editing on a phone when I wouldn't just pick up my laptop?
Everyone who owns an iphone thinks of it as a computer. I mean, I don't even have internet at home because my iPhone pretty much handles it all. I do work on my laptop, load it to the phone and can connect it with the rest of the world no matter where I am or what I am doing. By no means would this work for everyone, but it should be noted how effective the method is.
Maybe when iphones will be able to project\\display the image effectively on a larger surface then everything you mentioned would be a valid point for why the iPhone isn't a computer. For now, though, most of the "features" you mentioned would be more annoying than useful on a device with a 4 inch screen.
Oh, and MMS is totally from a different era. And no, an era is not an eon as one commenter seemed to misconstrue, eras last until a groundbreaking achievement changes the game. It is like when the iron age first started I'm sure many people still only smelted bronze. Sure, many people haven't upgraded to smart phones, but it clearly is the way of the future and MMS will only be useful for a max of 5 years. Oh, and as other users have pointed out I've been able to access other peoples MMS messages from safari the whole time and there are ways to have an email ported to MMS for other phones.
It seems to be the way of this forum and were not talking cameras in this particular room we're talking MMS which has been used by countless millions of people and still is everday.
And you are correct MMS is 7 years old. putting Apple 7 years behind the rest of the Mobile OS arena. My aplogies.
Floppy drives were once used by millions and no one bought a computer without one. Whether you like it or not, MMS will disappear because there is an alternative (email). It is just a matter of time.
Now you have variable rules to define something? It is or it isn't. Now you are saying a modern OS in your pocket. So is it a computer or modern OS in your pocket? Which one are we suppose to talk about? You're being unclear.
A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means not a lot of anything. Your of a Smart Phone is your and not the rest of the worlds.
In todays standards Apple is the only "Smart Phone" which it isn't classified as a Smart PHone on any mobile website, is the exception to the rule that a smart phone can run multiple Apps that are not defined by Steve Jobs.
It's the same reason the iPod Touch doesn't have a camera. Steve wants it to be a gaming device.
I want to define what I want on my phone/computer/media player. Not Steve Jobs.
In todays standards Apple is the only "Smart Phone" which it isn't classified as a Smart PHone on any mobile website, is the exception to the rule that a smart phone can run multiple Apps that are not defined by Steve Jobs.
It's the same reason the iPod Touch doesn't have a camera. Steve wants it to be a gaming device.
I want to define what I want on my phone/computer/media player. Not Steve Jobs.
Floppy drives were once used by millions and no one bought a computer without one. Whether you like it or not, MMS will disappear because there is an alternative (email). It is just a matter of time.
And now is not the time, as yet once again I say countless millions of phones don't have email.
Until the time that over 50% of phones have push email (not just through MobileMe) then it is still the preferred "Standard" for sending a quick photo to someone.
Something this room seems to have a lack of other than iPhone and Mobile Me users.
There is a reason Apple is less than 10% of the desktop OS and this is just one of them.
It's not always Apple's way or the highway. Why do you think QuickTime never took off?
Apple prefers to keep people in a little box that says you can have this this year and next year (if you complain enough) we'll give you this.
And now is not the time, as yet once again I say countless millions of phones don't have email.
Until the time that over 50% of phones have push email (not just through MobileMe) then it is still the preferred "Standard" for sending a quick photo to someone.
I have push email without MobileMe using Yahoo and my works Exchange account. Do your research next time.
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Something this room seems to have a lack of other than iPhone and Mobile Me users.
If you are looking for MS, Palm, or BB users then your are in the wrong place.
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There is a reason Apple is less than 10% of the desktop OS and this is just one of them.
It's not always Apple's way or the highway. Why do you think QuickTime never took off?
I have push email without MobileMe using Yahoo and my works Exchange account. Do your research next time.
You have push email because of Microsoft and Yahoo happens to use exchange server. GMail doesn't. And yes I have done my reserarch. Which all points me away from Apple.
If I want push email I have to use an email service that has MICROSOFT EXCHANGE or Mobile Me.
That doesn't leave a lot for people that don't want a @yahoo.com email address or happen to run an exchange server at home. Let's face it @yahoo.com is no where near as usefull as Gmail which actually synch's your phones email to your G mail account.
When I delete an email on my work phone it delete's from my entire email account so I don't have anthing to synch when I get back to work.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you don't have an iPhone and you have a Smart Phone. Techincally iPhones aren't even in the smart phone category.
How do you define a smart phone? I know Apple has been a bit slow about it, but they have been whittling away at the reasons why some people say don't want to call it a smart phone.
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Yep, everyone I know has an iPhone, here in the US as well as friends and family in Europe, so i am covered thanks, but again thanks for the info.
And just for Clarification, to say that everyone you know has an iPhone either means you live in a box or don't know that many people.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can save files to your phone.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can load more than 1 non iPhone app at a time
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you have a Web Browser that allows 3rd party apps.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can edit documents and save them for a presentation for your next meeting.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you don't have an iPhone and you have a Smart Phone. Techincally iPhones aren't even in the smart phone category.
Based on your above definition of a "computer", we didn't have a computer until the mid 1990s and everyone who used DOS and early versions of Windows and Mac OS didn't really have a computer. The definition of a computer is general and does not only apply to a laptop of a desktop computer. For example, the iPhones processor, RAM, and storage exceeds my 1998 Gateway desktop computer. However, my 1998 computer has a 20" display vs iPhone 3.5" display. You shouldn't expect them to do the same thing.
By the way, what is smartphone? technically.
And just for Clarification, to say that everyone you know has an iPhone either means you live in a box or don't know that many people.
You are too funny. I am off to bed, thanks for the entertainment.
Everyone you know has a smart phone right?
Then you are covered.
I have countless friends that still have RAZR's and whatever was popular in their day that send me pics of their kids, trips, etc in MMS (not everyone has disposable income and keep their phones until they just don't work anymore because they can't afford to upgrade to a plan that charges $30.00 per month for data.
Dumb phones (most of the phones sold on the planet) use MMS.
My wife's Verizon V710 dumb phone brick that is at least, what three maybe four years old, can send me a picture to my email. It is amazing how that works.
So stop stirring the pot about smart and dumb phones because if your friends want to send you a picture from their razor, they can deliver straight to your email without a data plan. My mom does that with her razor that is a dumb old phone as well.
Prior to 3.0 we had to email one YES 1 photo at a time. In my family there are two smart phones that have email out of 5 kids (and I'm 45).
I'm out of my contract next July and can't wait to embrace Android. Yes, they only have 10,000 apps but they aren't all FLASH LIGHTS AND FART APPS.
Or Apps like SendPhoto which allowed me to attach multiple full size photo's to emails for over a year...
"Enjoy the new feature which is 15 years old and no multi-tasking operating system."
15 years???
That's surprising as the World's first camera phone was only released nine years ago by Sharp.
There's nothing like a little over-exageration to emphasize a good whine.
I was thinking the same thing ... I must be missing something though, what is the purpose?
It's faster than email ,plain and simple. No need to wait for it to travel through servers, etc. It goes right to the phone number. You don't have to compose an email- texting is much more instantaneous. And many don't have access to email as easily as iPhone and smartphone users do- but everyone has a cell phone for receiving MMS!
Based on your above definition of a "computer", we have a computer until the mid 1990s and everyone who used DOS and early versions of Windows and Mac OS didn't really have a computer. The definition of a computer is general and does not only apply to a laptop of a desktop computer.
This isn't mid 1990's this is 14 years later than that. A lot has changed since then.
If that is your only basis for a computer in your pocket then Get the Big Parachute pants of the mid 1990's and put your notebook in your big pockets. That's the only way you'll have a modern operating system in your pocket if you choose Apple as a solution for your Mobile Phone solution. A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means you have a multi-tasking OS in your pocket.
Most of the world doesn't (including all iPhone owners) which still makes a 15 year old MMS "feature" relevant for today.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can save files to your phone.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can load more than 1 non iPhone app at a time
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you have a Web Browser that allows 3rd party apps.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can edit documents and save them for a presentation for your next meeting.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you don't have an iPhone and you have a Smart Phone. Techincally iPhones aren't even in the smart phone category.
Computer - noun - an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
It seems I have a computer in pocket.
I can save files to my phone?
What is a "non iPhone app"??? Is that an app not for the iPhone?
And you are so correct. My iPhone is not in the Smart Phone category. It is in teh uber phone category and there is no equal to it's dominance.
This isn't mid 1990's this is 14 years later than that. A lot has changed since then.
If that is your only basis for a computer in your pocket then Get the Big Parachute pants of the mid 1990's and put your notebook in your big pockets. That's the only way you'll have a modern operating system in your pocket if you choose Apple as a solution for your Mobile Phone solution. A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means you have a multi-tasking OS in your pocket.
Most of the world doesn't (including all iPhone owners) which still makes a 15 year old MMS "feature" relevant for today.
Now you have variable rules to define something? It is or it isn't. Now you are saying a modern OS in your pocket. So is it a computer or modern OS in your pocket? Which one are we suppose to talk about? You're being unclear.
A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means not a lot of anything. Your definition of a Smart Phone is your definition and not the rest of the worlds.
Or Apps like SendPhoto which allowed me to attach multiple full size photo's to emails for over a year...
"Enjoy the new feature which is 15 years old and no multi-tasking operating system."
15 years???
That's surprising as the World's first camera phone was only released nine years ago by Sharp.
There's nothing like a little over-exageration to emphasize a good whine.
It seems to be the way of this forum and were not talking cameras in this particular room we're talking MMS which has been used by countless millions of people and still is everday.
And you are correct MMS is 7 years old. putting Apple 7 years behind the rest of the Mobile OS arena. My aplogies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multime...saging_Service
This isn't mid 1990's this is 14 years later than that. A lot has changed since then.
If that is your only basis for a computer in your pocket then Get the Big Parachute pants of the mid 1990's and put your notebook in your big pockets. That's the only way you'll have a modern operating system in your pocket if you choose Apple as a solution for your Mobile Phone solution. A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means you have a multi-tasking OS in your pocket.
Most of the world doesn't (including all iPhone owners) which still makes a 15 year old MMS "feature" relevant for today.
Multitasking is not 2009 feature. Many older smartphones did multitask. As many said before the iPhone does multitask but not for third party apps. For example, I can use Nike+, listen to my music, and browse using Safari or use any third party app if I want to all at the same time.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can save files to your phone.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can load more than 1 non iPhone app at a time
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you have a Web Browser that allows 3rd party apps.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you can edit documents and save them for a presentation for your next meeting.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you don't have an iPhone and you have a Smart Phone. Techincally iPhones aren't even in the smart phone category.
I'm sorry, but if you're saying the iPhone isn't a smart phone, than your post is definitely an angry one. I don't even think Ballmer would be ballsy enough to make that case. Sure, apple picks and chooses its features at its pace, but what else would the phone be called?
Plus, your definition of a computer is pretty limited, honestly I have never been sitting around on my phone wishing i had a bunch of 3rd party apps clogging up my safari. Plus, why is everyone so gung ho about background tasks, since the inclusion of push messaging I am down to exactly one app that would be nice in the background, pandora. The 3gs loads all my apps so fast I don't really feel like they're closed at all. What am I gonna do, play 3 games on a phone simultaneously? I mean, my internet browser, my music player, my gps app, my email app all are made by apple, and as you already pointed out, all run in the background. So what's left?
So really, the only point you made worth mentioning is the ability to edit documents which i'm sure is in the pipeline. However, again, i doubt thats gonna be a major feature, how often would i do some hardcore editing on a phone when I wouldn't just pick up my laptop?
Everyone who owns an iphone thinks of it as a computer. I mean, I don't even have internet at home because my iPhone pretty much handles it all. I do work on my laptop, load it to the phone and can connect it with the rest of the world no matter where I am or what I am doing. By no means would this work for everyone, but it should be noted how effective the method is.
Maybe when iphones will be able to project\\display the image effectively on a larger surface then everything you mentioned would be a valid point for why the iPhone isn't a computer. For now, though, most of the "features" you mentioned would be more annoying than useful on a device with a 4 inch screen.
Oh, and MMS is totally from a different era. And no, an era is not an eon as one commenter seemed to misconstrue, eras last until a groundbreaking achievement changes the game. It is like when the iron age first started I'm sure many people still only smelted bronze. Sure, many people haven't upgraded to smart phones, but it clearly is the way of the future and MMS will only be useful for a max of 5 years. Oh, and as other users have pointed out I've been able to access other peoples MMS messages from safari the whole time and there are ways to have an email ported to MMS for other phones.
It seems to be the way of this forum and were not talking cameras in this particular room we're talking MMS which has been used by countless millions of people and still is everday.
And you are correct MMS is 7 years old. putting Apple 7 years behind the rest of the Mobile OS arena. My aplogies.
Floppy drives were once used by millions and no one bought a computer without one. Whether you like it or not, MMS will disappear because there is an alternative (email). It is just a matter of time.
Now you have variable rules to define something? It is or it isn't. Now you are saying a modern OS in your pocket. So is it a computer or modern OS in your pocket? Which one are we suppose to talk about? You're being unclear.
A mobile Smart Phone OS for 2009 means not a lot of anything. Your of a Smart Phone is your and not the rest of the worlds.
In todays standards Apple is the only "Smart Phone" which it isn't classified as a Smart PHone on any mobile website, is the exception to the rule that a smart phone can run multiple Apps that are not defined by Steve Jobs.
It's the same reason the iPod Touch doesn't have a camera. Steve wants it to be a gaming device.
I want to define what I want on my phone/computer/media player. Not Steve Jobs.
In todays standards Apple is the only "Smart Phone" which it isn't classified as a Smart PHone on any mobile website, is the exception to the rule that a smart phone can run multiple Apps that are not defined by Steve Jobs.
It's the same reason the iPod Touch doesn't have a camera. Steve wants it to be a gaming device.
I want to define what I want on my phone/computer/media player. Not Steve Jobs.
Links please. It is here.
Floppy drives were once used by millions and no one bought a computer without one. Whether you like it or not, MMS will disappear because there is an alternative (email). It is just a matter of time.
And now is not the time, as yet once again I say countless millions of phones don't have email.
Until the time that over 50% of phones have push email (not just through MobileMe) then it is still the preferred "Standard" for sending a quick photo to someone.
Something this room seems to have a lack of other than iPhone and Mobile Me users.
There is a reason Apple is less than 10% of the desktop OS and this is just one of them.
It's not always Apple's way or the highway. Why do you think QuickTime never took off?
Apple prefers to keep people in a little box that says you can have this this year and next year (if you complain enough) we'll give you this.
And now is not the time, as yet once again I say countless millions of phones don't have email.
Until the time that over 50% of phones have push email (not just through MobileMe) then it is still the preferred "Standard" for sending a quick photo to someone.
I have push email without MobileMe using Yahoo and my works Exchange account. Do your research next time.
Something this room seems to have a lack of other than iPhone and Mobile Me users.
If you are looking for MS, Palm, or BB users then your are in the wrong place.
There is a reason Apple is less than 10% of the desktop OS and this is just one of them.
It's not always Apple's way or the highway. Why do you think QuickTime never took off?
Maybe because MS stole QT code?!
I have push email without MobileMe using Yahoo and my works Exchange account. Do your research next time.
You have push email because of Microsoft and Yahoo happens to use exchange server. GMail doesn't. And yes I have done my reserarch. Which all points me away from Apple.
If I want push email I have to use an email service that has MICROSOFT EXCHANGE or Mobile Me.
That doesn't leave a lot for people that don't want a @yahoo.com email address or happen to run an exchange server at home. Let's face it @yahoo.com is no where near as usefull as Gmail which actually synch's your phones email to your G mail account.
When I delete an email on my work phone it delete's from my entire email account so I don't have anthing to synch when I get back to work.
Maybe because MS stole QT code?!
And yet I don't see it anywhere but on Apple sites. Go figure.
You'll have a computer in your pocket when you don't have an iPhone and you have a Smart Phone. Techincally iPhones aren't even in the smart phone category.
How do you define a smart phone? I know Apple has been a bit slow about it, but they have been whittling away at the reasons why some people say don't want to call it a smart phone.