Many people buy used computers. There's a large industry selling them.
Or you could just buy a low end Mini, and hook it to your monitor and keyboard.
The reason this works is because there's now over 50 million devices to sell software to.
Here, there will be none, and so far, with only free apps being approved by MS, what would be the point?
The would have to show developers that their shrinking user base will again expand. If they can't show that happening, why would a developer want to write for it? Even if they can sell a program from the web site, do they really want to sell into a shrinking market?
And then there's that old problem with different interfaces, different hardware, etc. How many of the 6.5 phones will be able to run their programs effectively?
Apple has worked around these problems.
RichL SAYS that older 6.1 and 6.0 phones will be able to run these new programs, but that's not likely in most cases because of the differences between 6.5 and the older versions, even if MS will allow it, which we don't know.
And then when 7 comes out by the end of 2010, it will be VERY different. so what happens then?
Developers must think about that. If, as is likely, 6.5 doesn't gain traction, one, because it's not really that much better than 6.1, and two, t won't be around after another year, why would they want to even bother?
I think that MS knows that too, and it's one reason why they're talking about few programs, mostly written by themselves.
what is the Mac marketshare after all these years? I was looking at Apple's 2000 - 2003 earnings for some research a while ago and 2002 they lost money. 2003 was when the iPod came to Windows
Apple's marketshare is over three times what it was a few years ago. That's both domestic, and foreign.
Meanwhile, the overall PC market has risen less than 30% in the same time.
there are a few things that Microsoft is doing right in this game.
in particular, they have put it right out from the start what will NOT be allowed. In much clearer terms than Apple apparently did. ...
No, this is actually a myth.
Whatever criticisms Apple has got about not being clear on the terms, they *did* right from the very beginning set out the exact same points that Microsoft has here in crystal clear unambiguous terms. Apple actually had a longer list of do's and don'ts than the one from Microsoft described in this article, which is a subset of Apple's list.
I'm not saying that Apple has never been unclear, but on the basics, which is all we are talking about here, they have been exactly as clear (perhaps more so) than Microsoft.
This Prince bloke is really really denigrating my opinion of AppleInsider with some of his recent FUDfest posts. There's just no class, and it doesn't really provide anything of value to the readers apart from confused flamefests in the comments.
You are agreeing with somebody (Rich L) who is mistaken, yet arrogantly pulling a Kenye/ Joe Wilson "You Lie!" moment that you fell for.
The article clearly cites Microsoft's developer rules. Rich L tries to introduce confusion by posting a link to a blog saying you don't pay extra for each additional update after you pay the $99 submit fee the first time. The article doesn't say you have to pay extra for updates. But it does say that if your submission is rejected, you have to keep paying again, which is true. So the article is 100% right in everything it says, and links to the page for you to check out yourself.
Jumping on some moron's "You lie!" bandwagon is disgraceful, and trying to malign Prince and AI about your own misunderstanding makes you a fool, too. We are reading free content here. You don't have any room to prance around like an unsatisfied princess. There are plenty of sites that don't say anything useful and just cater to the ignorant crowds with PR BS. Go there if you can't take some accurate reporting with a touch of expose.
the biggest barrier to writing iphone apps is that you need a Mac. that's at least $1000.
$99 might sound like a lot but Visual Studio will run on any cheapo PC you can find from the last 5 years. you can even get Visual Studio Express for free from MSDN
Why does it have to be over $1000 to use the SDK. There is the Mac Mini or a used Mac. Yes, people buy used Macs all the time because they don?t want to spend over $1000 for a Mac. If you want to talk about free, then there is the Hackintosh. If you can develop for the iPhone then you are more than adequate to get OS X installed on generic x86 hardware. They make it quite simple.
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OS X for all the hype still has a tiny part of the market and most people don't care what Apple does with it.
Of course it is, because Apple selling Mac OS X with Macs. In the US they have 10% of the entire market, including netbooks, despite not selling $400 notebooks, yet despite that measly 10% they take in one-third of every dollar from the industry. That is more than HP with there 25% marketshare by unit. They also have 92% of all computer sales for machines over $1000. Why you think that those numbers are not impressive means that you are choosing not to look at the facts.
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Originally Posted by melgross
But, so far at least, they are all going to be free apps.
What an incentive!
This is what I don?t understand about MS. They seem to purposely be doing everything they can to ruin the company sometimes.
the iPod saved Apple. OS X for all the hype still has a tiny part of the market and most people don't care what Apple does with it.
I guess you windoze people will never "get it". Mac's OS appears on ONE, only one computer company's machine's whereas windoze appears on all the rest, so when you compare marketshare it will always favor microsoft.
That very decision by BOTH companies, Apple restricted to Apple machines, windoze to hopefully be on everybody's machine, is what INSURES Mac OS to be a superior OS ..... Apple knows EXACTLY the quality of machine to build their OS to because it also manufactures every computer it will be on.
Windoze will ALWAYS be an inferior OS because it is trying to be everything to everybody, which means , of course, it has to appeal to the basement dwellers of the computing world.
Two very different business models, nothing wrong with either one. One is designed to maximize marketshare (and hopefully profits) while the other one is designed to build "insanely great products" and give the best user experience possible.
The most "amazing " thing is, although not surprising to most smart businesses, Apple's model also makes a boatload of profit. ..... Hmmmm, happy customers AND "insanely great" profits. Guess which one I prefer?
Finally, if you look at any of the complaints on these boards about Apple, they"re mostly about price, as in, the basement dwellers who want a mac, but don't want to pay much for it. Guess what, I want A BMW, but I don't want to pay that sticker price for it. Does that make a BMW a bad car ... no ... it makes me a "cheap Bastard".
No alternative browsers, no search, no media players
Microsoft's new Marketplace rules also prohibit any apps that attempt to "change the default browser, search client, or media player on the device."
Interesting article, aside from this point. If the conclusion is based on the quoted rule, 'change' could mean developers are not allowed to alter the default applications, or it could also mean that, should they make an alternative (such as a browser), they cannot reconfigure the phone to use their browser by default over Microsoft's. I would have considered both interpretations before reading that as a ban on these services...
This is what I don?t understand about MS. They seem to purposely be doing everything they can to ruin the company sometimes.
MS has a very big problem here. Despite Ballmer's BS about Win Mobile being on hundreds of millions of phones while the iPhone will get no marketshare whatever, it's going the other way around, and everyone knows it.
Apple has already sold more phones this quarter than ALL of the phones sold this quarter using Win Mobile. And Win Mobile is dropping. Most new phones are going to Android. Companies making Win Mobile phones are now dropping some models.
The iPhone, with all it's problems in security has now surpassed Win Mobile phones in use in business, MS's last stronghold.
So how are they going to court developers for this? It's going to be a problem.
Ms has said that there were over 30,000 apps for Win Mobile. It took ten years to get there. They also said that the iPhone either wouldn't get that many apps, or that it would take ages. Wrong again!
Now they and their supporters like to pretend that there are few good apps for the iPhone. Nonsense! I'm willing to bet that the percentage of bad apps for Win Mobile is at about the same percentage as for the iPhone. At least, there are more good apps for the iPhone than for win Mobile.
They also know that 6.5 won't last long, just until late 2010. 7 will be wildly different in order to compete better with the iPhone, and everything else.
So developing for 6.5, which is not very compatible with 6.1 or 6.0 is a very limited, and shrinking market, with varied phones.
Not very promising.
So they take on development themselves, and do what their money allows them to do, they give them away, and set the bar for third parties very low, price wise, and very high otherwise, such as with costs.
Interesting article, aside from this point. If the conclusion is based on the quoted rule, 'change' could mean developers are not allowed to alter the default applications, or it could also mean that, should they make an alternative (such as a browser), they cannot reconfigure the phone to use their browser by default over Microsoft's. I would have considered both interpretations before reading that as a ban on these services...
They didn't use the word "replace", but still, "change" usually also mean "replace" in this context, so we'll have to see.
Apple allows other browsers on the iPhone, and there are several, but they must all use Webkit, though that's not much of a limitation as all but Firefox and IE are moving to it, and it's pretty much the default browser engine in mobile browsing anyway.
MS has a very big problem here. Despite Ballmer's BS about Win Mobile being on hundreds of millions of phones while the iPhone will get no marketshare whatever, it's going the other way around, and everyone knows it.
Apple has already sold more phones this quarter than ALL of the phones sold this quarter using Win Mobile. And Win Mobile is dropping. Most new phones are going to Android. Companies making Win Mobile phones are now dropping some models.
The iPhone, with all it's problems in security has now surpassed Win Mobile phones in use in business, MS's last stronghold.
So how are they going to court developers for this? It's going to be a problem.
Ms has said that there were over 30,000 apps for Win Mobile. It took ten years to get there. They also said that the iPhone either wouldn't get that many apps, or that it would take ages. Wrong again!
Now they and their supporters like to pretend that there are few good apps for the iPhone. Nonsense! I'm willing to bet that the percentage of bad apps for Win Mobile is at about the same percentage as for the iPhone. At least, there are more good apps for the iPhone than for win Mobile.
They also know that 6.5 won't last long, just until late 2010. 7 will be wildly different in order to compete better with the iPhone, and everything else.
So developing for 6.5, which is not very compatible with 6.1 or 6.0 is a very limited, and shrinking market, with varied phones.
Not very promising.
So they take on development themselves, and do what their money allows them to do, they give them away, and set the bar for third parties very low, price wise, and very high otherwise, such as with costs.
a lot of the problems go back 10 years to Bill Gates. Back when it was Windows CE he decreed that there is going to be a "consistent user experience" and so WinMo had to look close to what Windows on the desktop looked like. Of course it was clunky to use and the old OS 9/Win 3.1 icon set was better suited for it. RIM did it and the BB was a success. people wanted to check email and BB's did it very well. WinMo devices were more expensive and loaded with mobile MS Office apps.
I think for 7 they are finally going to build it from the ground up. Most MS employees have iphones so it's not like they don't have any inspiration
I think for 7 they are finally going to build it from the ground up. Most MS employees have iphones so it's not like they don't have any inspiration
The real question is will it be too late? We're talking about at least another year.
Someone here earlier joked about someone using the term "mindshare". It was surprising he hadn't heard of the term, as it's widely used, and it applies here.
What will Win Mobile's mindshare be a year from now, esp. if 6.5 fails to stop the loss of sales?
Will a brand new 7 with modern features, even if well done, matter anymore?
Even the poorly selling Pre and Pixi, however well it sells, will have some credible number of official apps, and a big bunch of more amateur apps. Android will have a good ten thousand. Nokia will fight back with Meamo, and will still have some Symbian models, RIM isn't standing still, and of course, Apple will have introduced a new line of phones, and likely, OS 4.0.
Will MS be able to attract developers for 7? It will be a tough sell. It will likely be even less compatible with 6.5 than 6.5 is with 6.1 and 6.0. At least in its interface, but possibly in lower level programming as well.
How many manufacturers will be continuing to intro new Win Mobile phones this year? Will they want to produce a Win Mobile 7 phone?
cell phone contracts run 2 years and most people get a new phone. it's not like PC's where you might keep it for years.
in the last 10 years there has been a new "cool" phone every 2-3 years so mindshare is not that important. new cool phone comes out and people buy it because their cell phone bill is not going to be any less for keeping the old phone
the bit about the "one of a kind trophy" was killing me. A bronze bust of Ballmer's head maybe?
I'm just wondering if this "one of a kind trophy" will be given to the 10 or 100 or 1000 or 10000 developers. Hmmm 10,000 developers I wonder how long that'll take em? After this is STILL Microsoft we're talking about and when the 520 lb gorilla talks people still tend to listen. (yea she's been shedding the pounds lately)
cell phone contracts run 2 years and most people get a new phone. it's not like PC's where you might keep it for years.
in the last 10 years there has been a new "cool" phone every 2-3 years so mindshare is not that important. new cool phone comes out and people buy it because their cell phone bill is not going to be any less for keeping the old phone
You are off by a big margin here. I guess we should give a credit for the "2 years contract and people switch the phone" idea to the Palm marketing team. It did not work for Palm, it won't work for MS. Here's why:
"2 years contract" is US-centric idea. it is 3 in Canada, but the barriers are much lower in most EU countries. Move east from EU and it goes to nothing - most of the phones sold are post-paid. Take China as an example. It is safe to assume that next year Apple will sell more iPhones in China only than Palm worldwide and WinMo in US, or may be more than both combined.
Apple said in plain English, and most players including MS got it, that they are building a platform. Before the iPhone (yes, the mobile phone history is going to be deviled in "Before the iPhone" and "After the iPhone" era) the concept of a phone OS update was alien. There were only firmware fixes. Apart from that, every phone was doomed to live and die with the OS version it was shipped. The [few] developers were moving their attention to the new phones, and they were incompatible with the old ones. People were used to think that to get a new OS you need a new phone, and you will need to scrap your apps anyway. Even under these circumstances, many people preferred to stick to the same brand just because all those hundreds of nested menus were following more or less the same logic within one vendor. iPhone changed that. Forever. Now, when the contract expires, people will want not "a new phone" but "THE new iPhone"
And 'the Steve' without whom we wouldn't have, iMac, iPods, iPhones oh and OS X.. that too was of paramount importance to the continued success of Apple.
If I had to put things into perspective, the NeXT takeover of Apple..... DID I SAY THAT?? Lets try that again. The Apple acquisition of NeXT coupled with the return of Jobs is the entire reason Apple still exists today.
Without them we'd be sitting next to our Amiga brethren still running years old hardware and OS simply because we can't get over the tragic events that befell our favorite computer.
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why would anyone want a used computer?
Many people buy used computers. There's a large industry selling them.
Or you could just buy a low end Mini, and hook it to your monitor and keyboard.
The reason this works is because there's now over 50 million devices to sell software to.
Here, there will be none, and so far, with only free apps being approved by MS, what would be the point?
The would have to show developers that their shrinking user base will again expand. If they can't show that happening, why would a developer want to write for it? Even if they can sell a program from the web site, do they really want to sell into a shrinking market?
And then there's that old problem with different interfaces, different hardware, etc. How many of the 6.5 phones will be able to run their programs effectively?
Apple has worked around these problems.
RichL SAYS that older 6.1 and 6.0 phones will be able to run these new programs, but that's not likely in most cases because of the differences between 6.5 and the older versions, even if MS will allow it, which we don't know.
And then when 7 comes out by the end of 2010, it will be VERY different. so what happens then?
Developers must think about that. If, as is likely, 6.5 doesn't gain traction, one, because it's not really that much better than 6.1, and two, t won't be around after another year, why would they want to even bother?
I think that MS knows that too, and it's one reason why they're talking about few programs, mostly written by themselves.
what is the Mac marketshare after all these years? I was looking at Apple's 2000 - 2003 earnings for some research a while ago and 2002 they lost money. 2003 was when the iPod came to Windows
Apple's marketshare is over three times what it was a few years ago. That's both domestic, and foreign.
Meanwhile, the overall PC market has risen less than 30% in the same time.
there are a few things that Microsoft is doing right in this game.
in particular, they have put it right out from the start what will NOT be allowed. In much clearer terms than Apple apparently did. ...
No, this is actually a myth.
Whatever criticisms Apple has got about not being clear on the terms, they *did* right from the very beginning set out the exact same points that Microsoft has here in crystal clear unambiguous terms. Apple actually had a longer list of do's and don'ts than the one from Microsoft described in this article, which is a subset of Apple's list.
I'm not saying that Apple has never been unclear, but on the basics, which is all we are talking about here, they have been exactly as clear (perhaps more so) than Microsoft.
This Prince bloke is really really denigrating my opinion of AppleInsider with some of his recent FUDfest posts. There's just no class, and it doesn't really provide anything of value to the readers apart from confused flamefests in the comments.
You are agreeing with somebody (Rich L) who is mistaken, yet arrogantly pulling a Kenye/ Joe Wilson "You Lie!" moment that you fell for.
The article clearly cites Microsoft's developer rules. Rich L tries to introduce confusion by posting a link to a blog saying you don't pay extra for each additional update after you pay the $99 submit fee the first time. The article doesn't say you have to pay extra for updates. But it does say that if your submission is rejected, you have to keep paying again, which is true. So the article is 100% right in everything it says, and links to the page for you to check out yourself.
Jumping on some moron's "You lie!" bandwagon is disgraceful, and trying to malign Prince and AI about your own misunderstanding makes you a fool, too. We are reading free content here. You don't have any room to prance around like an unsatisfied princess. There are plenty of sites that don't say anything useful and just cater to the ignorant crowds with PR BS. Go there if you can't take some accurate reporting with a touch of expose.
the biggest barrier to writing iphone apps is that you need a Mac. that's at least $1000.
$99 might sound like a lot but Visual Studio will run on any cheapo PC you can find from the last 5 years. you can even get Visual Studio Express for free from MSDN
Why does it have to be over $1000 to use the SDK. There is the Mac Mini or a used Mac. Yes, people buy used Macs all the time because they don?t want to spend over $1000 for a Mac. If you want to talk about free, then there is the Hackintosh. If you can develop for the iPhone then you are more than adequate to get OS X installed on generic x86 hardware. They make it quite simple.
OS X for all the hype still has a tiny part of the market and most people don't care what Apple does with it.
Of course it is, because Apple selling Mac OS X with Macs. In the US they have 10% of the entire market, including netbooks, despite not selling $400 notebooks, yet despite that measly 10% they take in one-third of every dollar from the industry. That is more than HP with there 25% marketshare by unit. They also have 92% of all computer sales for machines over $1000. Why you think that those numbers are not impressive means that you are choosing not to look at the facts.
But, so far at least, they are all going to be free apps.
What an incentive!
This is what I don?t understand about MS. They seem to purposely be doing everything they can to ruin the company sometimes.
the iPod saved Apple. OS X for all the hype still has a tiny part of the market and most people don't care what Apple does with it.
I guess you windoze people will never "get it". Mac's OS appears on ONE, only one computer company's machine's whereas windoze appears on all the rest, so when you compare marketshare it will always favor microsoft.
That very decision by BOTH companies, Apple restricted to Apple machines, windoze to hopefully be on everybody's machine, is what INSURES Mac OS to be a superior OS ..... Apple knows EXACTLY the quality of machine to build their OS to because it also manufactures every computer it will be on.
Windoze will ALWAYS be an inferior OS because it is trying to be everything to everybody, which means , of course, it has to appeal to the basement dwellers of the computing world.
Two very different business models, nothing wrong with either one. One is designed to maximize marketshare (and hopefully profits) while the other one is designed to build "insanely great products" and give the best user experience possible.
The most "amazing " thing is, although not surprising to most smart businesses, Apple's model also makes a boatload of profit. ..... Hmmmm, happy customers AND "insanely great" profits. Guess which one I prefer?
Finally, if you look at any of the complaints on these boards about Apple, they"re mostly about price, as in, the basement dwellers who want a mac, but don't want to pay much for it. Guess what, I want A BMW, but I don't want to pay that sticker price for it. Does that make a BMW a bad car ... no ... it makes me a "cheap Bastard".
Deal with it and move on , will you?
No alternative browsers, no search, no media players
Microsoft's new Marketplace rules also prohibit any apps that attempt to "change the default browser, search client, or media player on the device."
Interesting article, aside from this point. If the conclusion is based on the quoted rule, 'change' could mean developers are not allowed to alter the default applications, or it could also mean that, should they make an alternative (such as a browser), they cannot reconfigure the phone to use their browser by default over Microsoft's. I would have considered both interpretations before reading that as a ban on these services...
This is what I don?t understand about MS. They seem to purposely be doing everything they can to ruin the company sometimes.
MS has a very big problem here. Despite Ballmer's BS about Win Mobile being on hundreds of millions of phones while the iPhone will get no marketshare whatever, it's going the other way around, and everyone knows it.
Apple has already sold more phones this quarter than ALL of the phones sold this quarter using Win Mobile. And Win Mobile is dropping. Most new phones are going to Android. Companies making Win Mobile phones are now dropping some models.
The iPhone, with all it's problems in security has now surpassed Win Mobile phones in use in business, MS's last stronghold.
So how are they going to court developers for this? It's going to be a problem.
Ms has said that there were over 30,000 apps for Win Mobile. It took ten years to get there. They also said that the iPhone either wouldn't get that many apps, or that it would take ages. Wrong again!
Now they and their supporters like to pretend that there are few good apps for the iPhone. Nonsense! I'm willing to bet that the percentage of bad apps for Win Mobile is at about the same percentage as for the iPhone. At least, there are more good apps for the iPhone than for win Mobile.
They also know that 6.5 won't last long, just until late 2010. 7 will be wildly different in order to compete better with the iPhone, and everything else.
So developing for 6.5, which is not very compatible with 6.1 or 6.0 is a very limited, and shrinking market, with varied phones.
Not very promising.
So they take on development themselves, and do what their money allows them to do, they give them away, and set the bar for third parties very low, price wise, and very high otherwise, such as with costs.
Interesting article, aside from this point. If the conclusion is based on the quoted rule, 'change' could mean developers are not allowed to alter the default applications, or it could also mean that, should they make an alternative (such as a browser), they cannot reconfigure the phone to use their browser by default over Microsoft's. I would have considered both interpretations before reading that as a ban on these services...
They didn't use the word "replace", but still, "change" usually also mean "replace" in this context, so we'll have to see.
Apple allows other browsers on the iPhone, and there are several, but they must all use Webkit, though that's not much of a limitation as all but Firefox and IE are moving to it, and it's pretty much the default browser engine in mobile browsing anyway.
MS has a very big problem here. Despite Ballmer's BS about Win Mobile being on hundreds of millions of phones while the iPhone will get no marketshare whatever, it's going the other way around, and everyone knows it.
Apple has already sold more phones this quarter than ALL of the phones sold this quarter using Win Mobile. And Win Mobile is dropping. Most new phones are going to Android. Companies making Win Mobile phones are now dropping some models.
The iPhone, with all it's problems in security has now surpassed Win Mobile phones in use in business, MS's last stronghold.
So how are they going to court developers for this? It's going to be a problem.
Ms has said that there were over 30,000 apps for Win Mobile. It took ten years to get there. They also said that the iPhone either wouldn't get that many apps, or that it would take ages. Wrong again!
Now they and their supporters like to pretend that there are few good apps for the iPhone. Nonsense! I'm willing to bet that the percentage of bad apps for Win Mobile is at about the same percentage as for the iPhone. At least, there are more good apps for the iPhone than for win Mobile.
They also know that 6.5 won't last long, just until late 2010. 7 will be wildly different in order to compete better with the iPhone, and everything else.
So developing for 6.5, which is not very compatible with 6.1 or 6.0 is a very limited, and shrinking market, with varied phones.
Not very promising.
So they take on development themselves, and do what their money allows them to do, they give them away, and set the bar for third parties very low, price wise, and very high otherwise, such as with costs.
a lot of the problems go back 10 years to Bill Gates. Back when it was Windows CE he decreed that there is going to be a "consistent user experience" and so WinMo had to look close to what Windows on the desktop looked like. Of course it was clunky to use and the old OS 9/Win 3.1 icon set was better suited for it. RIM did it and the BB was a success. people wanted to check email and BB's did it very well. WinMo devices were more expensive and loaded with mobile MS Office apps.
I think for 7 they are finally going to build it from the ground up. Most MS employees have iphones so it's not like they don't have any inspiration
It's like Mr. Jarse naming his son Hugh (ref Benny Hill).
I think for 7 they are finally going to build it from the ground up. Most MS employees have iphones so it's not like they don't have any inspiration
The real question is will it be too late? We're talking about at least another year.
Someone here earlier joked about someone using the term "mindshare". It was surprising he hadn't heard of the term, as it's widely used, and it applies here.
What will Win Mobile's mindshare be a year from now, esp. if 6.5 fails to stop the loss of sales?
Will a brand new 7 with modern features, even if well done, matter anymore?
Even the poorly selling Pre and Pixi, however well it sells, will have some credible number of official apps, and a big bunch of more amateur apps. Android will have a good ten thousand. Nokia will fight back with Meamo, and will still have some Symbian models, RIM isn't standing still, and of course, Apple will have introduced a new line of phones, and likely, OS 4.0.
Will MS be able to attract developers for 7? It will be a tough sell. It will likely be even less compatible with 6.5 than 6.5 is with 6.1 and 6.0. At least in its interface, but possibly in lower level programming as well.
How many manufacturers will be continuing to intro new Win Mobile phones this year? Will they want to produce a Win Mobile 7 phone?
in the last 10 years there has been a new "cool" phone every 2-3 years so mindshare is not that important. new cool phone comes out and people buy it because their cell phone bill is not going to be any less for keeping the old phone
Can you point to where MS has said [that the app store will run on 6.1 and 6.0], because I can't find anywhere where they did.
Sure, it's here. Specifically, the below line:
In fact, we’re announcing today that by the end of 2009 Windows Marketplace will also be available to Windows Mobile 6.0 and 6.1 devices.
the bit about the "one of a kind trophy" was killing me. A bronze bust of Ballmer's head maybe?
I'm just wondering if this "one of a kind trophy" will be given to the 10 or 100 or 1000 or 10000 developers. Hmmm 10,000 developers I wonder how long that'll take em? After this is STILL Microsoft we're talking about and when the 520 lb gorilla talks people still tend to listen. (yea she's been shedding the pounds lately)
Dave
cell phone contracts run 2 years and most people get a new phone. it's not like PC's where you might keep it for years.
in the last 10 years there has been a new "cool" phone every 2-3 years so mindshare is not that important. new cool phone comes out and people buy it because their cell phone bill is not going to be any less for keeping the old phone
You are off by a big margin here. I guess we should give a credit for the "2 years contract and people switch the phone" idea to the Palm marketing team. It did not work for Palm, it won't work for MS. Here's why:
And the iMac.
And 'the Steve' without whom we wouldn't have, iMac, iPods, iPhones oh and OS X.. that too was of paramount importance to the continued success of Apple.
If I had to put things into perspective, the NeXT takeover of Apple..... DID I SAY THAT?? Lets try that again. The Apple acquisition of NeXT coupled with the return of Jobs is the entire reason Apple still exists today.
Without them we'd be sitting next to our Amiga brethren still running years old hardware and OS simply because we can't get over the tragic events that befell our favorite computer.
Phew!
Dave
It's ridiculous!
This will limit the number of apps for sure, but unlike what MS is saying, it won't assure quality.
It will also filter out most of the good ones as well.
Just read that the maximum size for installation files (.cabs) is 10 MB. http://developer.windowsmobile.com/H...e-18167eaf3168
Does that mean that the app itself cannot exceed 10MB? Is that a limitation coming from the telco's?
Philippe