Abu-Jamal: off death row

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<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/12/18/jamal.death.penalty/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/12/18/jamal.death.penalty/index.html</a>;



I can't believe this judge. The guy never denied it and his brother never testefied on his behalf. I guess in America you can get away with murder, right OJ?
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  • Reply 1 of 49
    Jamal is an honorary citizen of France.
  • Reply 2 of 49
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    That explains a lot.
  • Reply 3 of 49
    About France you mean.
  • Reply 4 of 49
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    outsider, are you familiar with this case at all?
  • Reply 5 of 49
    Yea. Jamal killed a cop. He's guilty. Needs a needle in him arm. Case Closed.
  • Reply 6 of 49
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    New, I already know what you're going to say so just spit it out. I know enough about it to know he killed a cop and never denied it. I mean if you didn't kill a cop and we're arrested for the murder, wouldn't you atleast testify that you didn't do it?
  • Reply 6 of 49
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    doesn't this belong in the tread: "why are all americans so stupid???? "
  • Reply 8 of 49
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    Maybe. Is Abu-Jamal still considered American?



    Oh yeah, <a href="http://crime.about.com/library/weekly/aa070698.htm"; target="_blank">http://crime.about.com/library/weekly/aa070698.htm</a>;



    and



    <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/12/21/mumia/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/12/21/mumia/index.html</a>;



    I think he's trying to be a martyr. With out even dying.
  • Reply 10 of 49
    I live in Philly and this subject can start some nasty situations (demonstrations galore, bar room brawls, and your basic black/white vs. liberal/conservative bullshit) down here and this of course ain't gonna help...



    Oh, I agree with Scott H on this. But I guess that just ain't going to happen...
  • Reply 11 of 49
    Of course they may still put him back on death row.



    [ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: Scott H. ]</p>
  • Reply 12 of 49
    [quote]Originally posted by New:

    <strong>Care to read this, or already made up your mind?



    <a href="http://crime.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.sff.net/people/tbisson/MUMIA.html"; target="_blank">http://crime.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsi te.htm?site=http://www.sff.net/people/tbisson/MUMIA.html</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;



    Every point made in that article is discussed on this web page:



    <a href="http://www.danielfaulkner.com"; target="_blank">www.danielfaulkner.com</a>



    Especially interesting is the response to the Amnesty International letter. Read the "Myths" about the case.
  • Reply 13 of 49
    Look at the bias of the NYT. Putting "radio journalist" is an blatant attempt to try to caste Jamal as some kind of political prisoner who's been tried and convicted for his speech.



    <a href="http://www.nyt.com/2001/12/18/national/18CND-PHIL.html"; target="_blank">Judge Overturns Death Sentence for Former Radio Journalist</a>
  • Reply 14 of 49
    [quote]Originally posted by New:



    <strong>doesn't this belong in the tread: "why are all americans so stupid???? "</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I think we another thread: "why are Europeans so stupid????"
  • Reply 15 of 49
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    New, Terry Bisson is a personal friend of his (and a si-fi writer to boot; i.e. has a way with words). Can that article be any more biased?
  • Reply 16 of 49
    This case truly stinks. Those of an open mind may care to read the background, which can easily be checked with the court records:



    1. THE TRIAL Mumia was denied his constitutional right to represent himself in court and was removed from the courtroom. His court-appointed attorney hadn?t interviewed one witness and informed the judge before trial that he was not prepared to proceed. The defense investigator quit before the trial and no ballistics expert or pathologist was hired because of insufficient defense funds.



    In 1995, the news media exposed a festering Philadelphia police scandal: the framing-up of innocent people, corruption and police brutality. In all, 300 convictions were thrown out and many innocent victims set free. A videotape of Philadelphia?s District Attorney acknowledged that blacks have been routinely excluded from juries. In Mumia?s case 11 blacks were.



    2. THE JUDGE Albert Sabo, a former member of the Fraternal Order of Police was forced into retirement,but not before he had sentenced twice as many people to death as any other sitting judge in the U. S. Six former Philadelphia prosecutors have

    sworn in court documents that no accused could receive a fair trial in Judge Sabo?s court. Five of the seven judges on Pennsylvania?s Supreme Court were supported by the Fraternal Order of Police which is waging a campaign to execute Mumia. How can he possibly get a fair trial?



    3. THE FALSE WITNESSES Three key prosecution witnesses ? Veronica Jones, Cynthia White, and Robert Chobert ? all with criminal charges hanging over their heads, testified for the prosecution. For their cooperation, they were given special exemptions from criminal prosecutions. Later, Jones, while recanting her original false testimony in court, was immediately arrested on the witness stand on other charges.



    4. THE TRUE WITNESSES Five witnesses, all from different vantage points, saw the real killer flee the scene while Mumia lay shot on the ground. Due to prosecutorial and/or police misconduct all but one failed to testify.



    5. THE EVIDENCE An entry in the original coroner?s report that stated that a .44 caliber bullet killed the policeman is now considered a ?clerical error?. Mumia?s gun, a .38 caliber pistol, could not have fired such a bullet. A medical examiner testified that the bullet was smashed, but a defense expert asserts that the bullet remained intact. A ballistics expert told the defense that switching bullets was done all the time.



    6. THE ?CONFESSION? Mumia?s supposed ?confession? was first reported by police two months after the fact. The emergency room doctor said Mumia remained silent.



    7. THE DEAD Policeman Faulkner. Also dead is the possible killer who had borrowed the driver?s license found in the pocket of the dead policeman. He was arrested on other charges two months after the murder while in possession of a .22 caliber gun. He was found dead in 1985, coincidentally on the day the police bombed the black commune MOVE house, killing eleven including five children.



    8. THE DEFENDANT: Mumia Abu-Jamal last year supported the NABET/CWA workers in their lockout by ABC-TV, refusing to give an interview to scabs during the dispute. He also endorsed the ILWU?s Neptune Jade solidarity defense campaign from death row. He has been fighting for the oppressed since the age of 14 when he protested the racist presidential campaign of then-Alabama Governor George Wallace. A year later he joined the Black Panther Party and learned journalism. Mumia had no criminal record before his arrest for the killing of police officer Faulkner. While president of Philadelphia?s Association of Black Journalists, he received an award for his expose of police brutality.



    9. THE FRAME-UP: Philadelphia Mayor and former Police Commissioner, Frank Rizzo, at a 1978 news conference following the death of a policeman, vowed to hold the ?new breed of journalist? like Jamal responsible. The FBI?s COINTELPRO ?anti terrorist? program of the 70?s targeted Black Panthers and other black militants for frame-ups and assassinations. Police recognized Mumia, wounded at the crime scene, where they beat him. The sham trial and subsequent rejected appeals make a mockery of justice.



    10. Philadelphia courts have sentenced 126 people to death. All but 14 are people of color ? the highest racial disparity on death row in the nation. In an interview from death row a few years ago Mumia was asked about the fairness of capital punishment. He jokingly responded, ?Them that ain?t got the capital, get the punishment.? When asked this year by The Dispatcher why the U.S. alone of the modern industrialized countries uses this barbaric practice, he pointed to the history of slavery, ?... the American criminal (in)justice system is lineally descended from that horrific history. It taints the system, just like it taints consciousness.? For the first time ever the human rights group Amnesty International placed the United States on its list of human rights violators along with Turkey, Algeria and Cambodia, because of police brutality, violations against imprisoned people and increased numbers of executions.



    The judge in this case doesn't exactly seem like a shining example of US justice, to say the least:



    <a href="http://www.iacenter.org/maj_mcarter.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.iacenter.org/maj_mcarter.htm</a>;

    <a href="http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/045.html"; target="_blank">http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/045.html</a>;



    [ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: Samantha Joanne Ollendale ]</p>
  • Reply 17 of 49
    [quote]Originally posted by Samantha Joanne Ollendale:

    <strong>This case truly stinks. Those of an open mind may care to read the background, which can easily be checked with the court records:</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Could have guessed which side you would fall on. Pro cop killer.
  • Reply 18 of 49
    [quote]Could have guessed which side you would fall on. Pro cop killer. <hr></blockquote>



    Scott H, do you always resort to name-calling when the facts don't quite fit what your seemingly wannabe authoritarian nature demands? Or do you only want to believe what makes you comfortable within your own frame of reference? I was just presenting the other side of the story, which nobody has done as of yet, to give some balance to a most one-sided "discussion". Or can't you accept that cases always have 2 sides to them?



    It is disturbing that a case with so many irregularities can result in a death sentence. This fact obviously doesnt bother you in the least. Total and absolute shame on you. Maybe the way the American system of justice should work isn't good enough for you; perhaps you are more comfortable with kangaroo courts?



    Your accusation that I am a supporter of "cop-killers" is offensive, and troll-worthy, but whatever. I know I will not get much support on this forum for putting forward the case against the State of PA, but I do not care an iota if the angle I put forward in a discussion is unpopular because of it being nonmainstream, or politically incorrect.



    Scott H, do yourself a favor and put forward an argument worthy of debate, or a sensible rebuttal, instead of stamping your feet in the manner of a 5 year old and throwing cheap insults.



    Enough already.
  • Reply 19 of 49
    In my opinion the most likely explanation is that either Abu-Jamal or his brother killed Daniel Faulkner,but I also think the trial was a joke,partly caused by Abu-Jamal's own behavior,anyone who wanted to be represented by John Africa is clearly a moron.There is so much corruption and manipulation of the truth on both sides that it seems impossible to establish conclusively what happened.I used to work in the area where the shooting happened,it is basically the red light district of Philadelphia-not a very nice area-any witnesses to the shooting are not likely to be upstanding citizens.I also think Abu-Jamal's hero image among his supporters is a sham-MOVE and the Black Panthers are not very nice people,the reason the police were called in on Osage avenue was that MOVE was arming itself,harrassing and intimidating neighbors.Whether the police should have dropped a bomb and allowed a whole neighborhood to burn,well,that is another question.
  • Reply 20 of 49
    [quote]Originally posted by Samantha Joanne Ollendale:

    <strong>



    Scott H, do you always resort to name-calling when the facts don't quite fit what your seemingly wannabe authoritarian nature demands? Or do you only want to believe what makes you comfortable within your own frame of reference? I was just presenting the other side of the story, which nobody has done as of yet, to give some balance to a most one-sided "discussion". Or can't you accept that cases always have 2 sides to them?</strong><hr></blockquote>





    Oh my god you've deconstructed me so well. I have to go rock in the corner and cry with the lights off. Maybe I'll join the Taliban now like John Walker?



    [quote]Originally posted by Samantha Joanne Ollendale:

    <strong>It is disturbing that a case with so many irregularities can result in a death sentence. This fact obviously doesnt bother you in the least. Total and absolute shame on you. Maybe the way the American system of justice should work isn't good enough for you; perhaps you are more comfortable with kangaroo courts?</strong><hr></blockquote>





    What I find odd is that so many people support cop killer. Or as I heard on MSNBC tonight "police officer killer". I thought the PC movement went as far as it can go when terrorist were called "freedom fighters" but now the liberal media needs to reword "cop killer" so that it doesn't sound so bad after all.



    [quote]Originally posted by Samantha Joanne Ollendale:

    <strong>Your accusation that I am a supporter of "cop-killers" is offensive, and troll-worthy, but whatever. I know I will not get much support on this forum for putting forward the case against the State of PA, but I do not care an iota if the angle I put forward in a discussion is unpopular because of it being nonmainstream, or politically incorrect.</strong><hr></blockquote>





    Shoe fits wear it. If he gets out for your efforts then you helped a cop killer ooops I'm sorry didn't mean to offended "police officer" killer go free.



    [quote]Originally posted by Samantha Joanne Ollendale:

    <strong>Scott H, do yourself a favor and put forward an argument worthy of debate, or a sensible rebuttal, instead of stamping your feet in the manner of a 5 year old and throwing cheap insults.



    Enough already.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    <a href="http://www.danielfaulkner.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.danielfaulkner.com/</a>;
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