It's a waste of energy to even type this because of the obvious...ness of it all.
But those music industry morons are beyond greedy. I think they are children that will end up being cast to the wayside as history gobbles them up.
The fools. It would be soooooooo funny if down the line Apple gets into a position where they would demand that the music industry start paying Apple for those 30 second previews.
It's called lobbying, and every group and industry does it. Although legal, it's basically asking the government to be your own protection racket.
There are times, and maybe those times are past when lobbying had a legitimate use to the average people, but we all know its all about money and or trading favors.
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Originally Posted by mac_dog
those who hate the government are the ones who fucked it up in the first place. they're also the ones who hate the government unless it suits them.
I don't recall saying I hate the government?
Quote "This really troubles me and it speaks to what has happened to real capitalism.
If you don't like something, get the Government to put there nose in it."
If that is what you get from this, well that just shows where you stand.
It might be a mute point.
I believe the government has a legitimate and real job, ie, National Defense, Protecting our Sovereignty, Protecting it citizens, you know the big things. - Most at which they have been failing at for over two decades. I don't see it as there job to jump in or get asked to be big mama in every little squabble.
The problem with much of media IP, is that different groups own different sets of rights. ASCAP/BMI/SESAC only have performance rights. So this flailing about seems redundant to us, but for them, it's trying to extend their only business into the technological age.
We saw something similar with the uproar over the Kindle Voice-to-Text feature and the companies who hold the audiobook rights. Sure, the publishers already negotiated once and didn't mind Amazon doing work to add value to their product. But the audiobook rights'-holders weren't party to those agreements and weren't too keen on something they saw as being a product that they paid for the exclusive right to sell.
So what seems like double dipping and back-tracking by a single group who already negotiated and signed a deal actually isn't. Not literally.
Sure, the record companies love the 30 second sample. It moves more product. They love the radio play too. But the groups that hold public performance rights aren't too happy to see someone else giving their product away.
Which really just underscores how nasty IP law has become, as technology has blurred and obviated so many of the distinctions that have been codified into law and business for generations.
A single sale of a single track to a single buyer is not a broadcast.
A single preview of 1/5th of a song to a single interested potential buyer is not a broadcast.
This kind of BS money grab is what makes the pirates feel justified.
Speaking of Pirates- Man I just love the way you can make ringtones from those free 30 second snippets using Garage Band. I made a slew of them over the weekend. ENJOY!
Speaking of Pirates- Man I just love the way you can make ringtones from those free 30 second snippets using Garage Band. I made a slew of them over the weekend. ENJOY!
That is one of the features I wish apple would add,
Allow you to use any any song or section of a song on your iphone as a ringtone.
It's not as crazy as the Appleinsider synopsis makes it seem. The goal is to make sure that as distribution moves away from TV to the internet, that artists continue to be fairly compensated.
You can't just say 'too bad you signed a crappy contract' because I can tell you that artists very rarely have the power to control those crappy contracts and are often forced to either sign them or simply not work at all.
The 30 second download thing is just a crazy distraction from what's really at stake here. It's not about punishing end users or trying bite the hand that feeds (Apple). This article is gas on flame but it's really missing the point and pissing people off for no reason.
That is one of the features I wish apple would add,
Allow you to use any any song or section of a song on your iphone as a ringtone.
Same with alarms
You can my friend. Use GarageBand. When it opens, it gives you a choice- choose create ringtone. Playback any song you want in iTunes- record the section you want in GarageBand- trim it, name it, then export it to iTunes where it shows up under ringtones. Plus in your iPhone and voila- there it is!
That is one of the features I wish apple would add,
Allow you to use any any song or section of a song on your iphone as a ringtone.
Same with alarms
That is how ringtones first came to iTunes. You get a nifty slider so you can create ringtones of your choice and length. I find it?s easier to open up in Quicktime, trim to selection, save as M4A, change extension to M4R, drag into iTunes.
You can my friend. Use GarageBand. When it opens, it gives you a choice- choose create ringtone. Playback any song you want in iTunes- record the section you want in GarageBand- trim it, name it, then export it to iTunes where it shows up under ringtones. Plus in your iPhone and voila- there it is!
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Originally Posted by solipsism
That is how ringtones first came to iTunes. You get a nifty slider so you can create ringtones of your choice and length. I find it’s easier to open up in Quicktime, trim to selection, save as M4A, change extension to M4R, drag into iTunes.
Ya, that is how I make them now.
I am more thinking it would be nice to do totally on the phone side.
I am more thinking it would be nice to do totally on the phone side.
Ah, I thought you just meant for your iPhone, not actually on the iPhone. That would be cool, but I can?t even see Get Info of songs like I can in iTunes or change any names while using the device so I think you are SoL for a long, long time on that front.
That is how ringtones first came to iTunes. You get a nifty slider so you can create ringtones of your choice and length. I find it?s easier to open up in Quicktime, trim to selection, save as M4A, change extension to M4R, drag into iTunes.
Off topic - how do you trim in the new Quicktime? I'm so used to the old mini markers where it was highlighted wherever you moved them,what was to be trim or copied. I can't figure it out with the new QT- especially trimming in the middle of the file.
Ah, I thought you just meant for your iPhone, not actually on the iPhone. That would be cool, but I can?t even see Get Info of songs like I can in iTunes or change any names while using the device so I think you are SoL for a long, long time on that front.
Maybe that's something too that actually exists but Apple hasn't yet turned on?
And people wonder why I don't want that OS on my new iTab?
Off topic - how do you trim in the new Quicktime? I'm so used to the old mini markers where it was highlighted wherever you moved them,what was to be trim or copied. I can't figure it out with the new QT- especially trimming in the middle of the file.
You go Edit » Trim or click the button in the player that gives you the Trim option. It?s a nice setup.
"Performance Compensation from iTunes", so if a song from a particular group is selling really well, what, they want iTunes to pay more? But what happens if the "b side" of that song from that same group is also hosted on iTunes and has dismal sales, does that mean iTunes can ask for it's money for "warehousing on it's server" a lousy song and thus iTunes deserves performance compensation from the group?
"If you watch a TV show on broadcast, cable or satellite TV there is a performance fee collected," David Israelite, president and CEO of the National Music Publishers Association, told CNet. "But if that same TV show is downloaded over iTunes, there's not. We're arguing that the law needs to be clarified that regardless of the method by which a consumer watches the show there is a performance right."
but if i buy cd and listen to it 150 times on my stereo, then they still only get paid once.
If i rent/buy a DVD and watch it 150 times at home they only get paid once.
How the hell can they think it should be different for itunes?
the law already makes a difference between broadcast and purchase. why do they need it to be clarified further?
they wont be happy until everyone is torrenting all their stuff.
You're all focusing on the 30-second samples, but the case also encompasses full downloads. The 30 second samples are long enough to be included in, for example, a television advertisement.
Are you suggesting that advertising professionals are recording 30-second samples of songs from iTunes and using them in commercials? That's ridiculous. If you knew anything about the process of buying the rights for music to put into commercials you'd laugh at the suggestion.
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A single preview of 1/5th of a song to a single interested potential buyer is not a broadcast.
This kind of BS money grab is what makes the pirates feel justified.
Remember Apple doesn't make any money off music it sells on iTunes!
But those music industry morons are beyond greedy. I think they are children that will end up being cast to the wayside as history gobbles them up.
The fools. It would be soooooooo funny if down the line Apple gets into a position where they would demand that the music industry start paying Apple for those 30 second previews.
It's called lobbying, and every group and industry does it. Although legal, it's basically asking the government to be your own protection racket.
There are times, and maybe those times are past when lobbying had a legitimate use to the average people, but we all know its all about money and or trading favors.
those who hate the government are the ones who fucked it up in the first place. they're also the ones who hate the government unless it suits them.
I don't recall saying I hate the government?
Quote "This really troubles me and it speaks to what has happened to real capitalism.
If you don't like something, get the Government to put there nose in it."
If that is what you get from this, well that just shows where you stand.
It might be a mute point.
I believe the government has a legitimate and real job, ie, National Defense, Protecting our Sovereignty, Protecting it citizens, you know the big things. - Most at which they have been failing at for over two decades. I don't see it as there job to jump in or get asked to be big mama in every little squabble.
We saw something similar with the uproar over the Kindle Voice-to-Text feature and the companies who hold the audiobook rights. Sure, the publishers already negotiated once and didn't mind Amazon doing work to add value to their product. But the audiobook rights'-holders weren't party to those agreements and weren't too keen on something they saw as being a product that they paid for the exclusive right to sell.
So what seems like double dipping and back-tracking by a single group who already negotiated and signed a deal actually isn't. Not literally.
Sure, the record companies love the 30 second sample. It moves more product. They love the radio play too. But the groups that hold public performance rights aren't too happy to see someone else giving their product away.
Which really just underscores how nasty IP law has become, as technology has blurred and obviated so many of the distinctions that have been codified into law and business for generations.
A single sale of a single track to a single buyer is not a broadcast.
A single preview of 1/5th of a song to a single interested potential buyer is not a broadcast.
This kind of BS money grab is what makes the pirates feel justified.
Speaking of Pirates- Man I just love the way you can make ringtones from those free 30 second snippets using Garage Band. I made a slew of them over the weekend. ENJOY!
Speaking of Pirates- Man I just love the way you can make ringtones from those free 30 second snippets using Garage Band. I made a slew of them over the weekend. ENJOY!
That is one of the features I wish apple would add,
Allow you to use any any song or section of a song on your iphone as a ringtone.
Same with alarms
It's not as crazy as the Appleinsider synopsis makes it seem. The goal is to make sure that as distribution moves away from TV to the internet, that artists continue to be fairly compensated.
You can't just say 'too bad you signed a crappy contract' because I can tell you that artists very rarely have the power to control those crappy contracts and are often forced to either sign them or simply not work at all.
The 30 second download thing is just a crazy distraction from what's really at stake here. It's not about punishing end users or trying bite the hand that feeds (Apple). This article is gas on flame but it's really missing the point and pissing people off for no reason.
That is one of the features I wish apple would add,
Allow you to use any any song or section of a song on your iphone as a ringtone.
Same with alarms
You can my friend. Use GarageBand. When it opens, it gives you a choice- choose create ringtone. Playback any song you want in iTunes- record the section you want in GarageBand- trim it, name it, then export it to iTunes where it shows up under ringtones. Plus in your iPhone and voila- there it is!
That is one of the features I wish apple would add,
Allow you to use any any song or section of a song on your iphone as a ringtone.
Same with alarms
That is how ringtones first came to iTunes. You get a nifty slider so you can create ringtones of your choice and length. I find it?s easier to open up in Quicktime, trim to selection, save as M4A, change extension to M4R, drag into iTunes.
You can my friend. Use GarageBand. When it opens, it gives you a choice- choose create ringtone. Playback any song you want in iTunes- record the section you want in GarageBand- trim it, name it, then export it to iTunes where it shows up under ringtones. Plus in your iPhone and voila- there it is!
That is how ringtones first came to iTunes. You get a nifty slider so you can create ringtones of your choice and length. I find it’s easier to open up in Quicktime, trim to selection, save as M4A, change extension to M4R, drag into iTunes.
Ya, that is how I make them now.
I am more thinking it would be nice to do totally on the phone side.
Ya, that is how I do now.
I am more thinking it would be nice to do totally on the phone side.
Ah, I thought you just meant for your iPhone, not actually on the iPhone. That would be cool, but I can?t even see Get Info of songs like I can in iTunes or change any names while using the device so I think you are SoL for a long, long time on that front.
That is how ringtones first came to iTunes. You get a nifty slider so you can create ringtones of your choice and length. I find it?s easier to open up in Quicktime, trim to selection, save as M4A, change extension to M4R, drag into iTunes.
Off topic - how do you trim in the new Quicktime? I'm so used to the old mini markers where it was highlighted wherever you moved them,what was to be trim or copied. I can't figure it out with the new QT- especially trimming in the middle of the file.
Ah, I thought you just meant for your iPhone, not actually on the iPhone. That would be cool, but I can?t even see Get Info of songs like I can in iTunes or change any names while using the device so I think you are SoL for a long, long time on that front.
Maybe that's something too that actually exists but Apple hasn't yet turned on?
And people wonder why I don't want that OS on my new iTab?
Off topic - how do you trim in the new Quicktime? I'm so used to the old mini markers where it was highlighted wherever you moved them,what was to be trim or copied. I can't figure it out with the new QT- especially trimming in the middle of the file.
You go Edit » Trim or click the button in the player that gives you the Trim option. It?s a nice setup.
but if i buy cd and listen to it 150 times on my stereo, then they still only get paid once.
If i rent/buy a DVD and watch it 150 times at home they only get paid once.
How the hell can they think it should be different for itunes?
the law already makes a difference between broadcast and purchase. why do they need it to be clarified further?
they wont be happy until everyone is torrenting all their stuff.
You're all focusing on the 30-second samples, but the case also encompasses full downloads. The 30 second samples are long enough to be included in, for example, a television advertisement.
Are you suggesting that advertising professionals are recording 30-second samples of songs from iTunes and using them in commercials? That's ridiculous. If you knew anything about the process of buying the rights for music to put into commercials you'd laugh at the suggestion.
I don't recall saying I hate the government?
Quote "This really troubles me and it speaks to what has happened to real capitalism.
If you don't like something, get the Government to put there nose in it."
If that is what you get from this, well that just shows where you stand.
That's just the attitude you get from being brainwashed by watching MSNBC!