Because the average person has been over-supplied with compute resources since before the end of the megahertz races. The vast majority of mini and iMac users wouldn't notice the difference between a dual, quad or hexacore processor.
True. About the only people using Mac Pros are video guys. And of those only a handful are doing anything longer than 1 minute duration pieces. Render time difference between a quad core and an 8 core on a typical 30 second TV spot is a maybe a couple seconds. So a 12 cores maybe will save you 1 or 2 more. People say it is too expensive but they don't need one really. I agree with Quadra, it is just the cost of doing business, the clients pay for it. A Mac Pro can generate several hundred thousand dollars worth of billable deliveries a year if fully utilized. Video guys have as much money invested in attached storage as they do in their computer.
Mac OS users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers. -- Paul Thurrott, winsupersite.com, December 06, 2004
That's a lot of processing power coming. Apple will certainly use them and with Grand Central Dispatch they have %50 more cores to work with now.
Of course I'd love to have a prosumer midtower and I believe there is demand but Apple's remaining firm on the distinction between the iMac and the Mac Pro.
I'd love to see Gulftown Mac Pro come with a redesigned case. Make it smaller and perhaps they should think about moving to 2.5" drives seeing as how SSD will be becoming more and more prominent in the next 5 years.
not so. i have a perfectly good mac pro with a high end card. it works great.
Of course it does.
Keep in mind the Windows trolls are out in force this month, and it'll only get worse as we approach the eve of the Windows 7 release. Remember, MS fans (though how you can be a "fan" of MS I'll never understand) ahve had to cope with over 8 years of lousy operating systems. And beyond that, all they had to keep them going was the Xbox franchise.
There's been a lot of suffering going on since then, not to mention an inferiority complex btought on by Apple's relentless anti-MS marketing that has done a superb job in terms of mindhsare, not to mention a steady stream of game-changing products. Apple has been moving from strength to strength since the Intel switch, while MS has witnessed a steady downward spiral with Ballmer at the helm.
You can have a top-end card in you Mac, but the Windows trolls campng this site will still remind you that you don't.
If you come on an Apple fansite to constantly provide dissenting opinion at every turn, you're a Windows troll. If you provide dissenting opinion at every turn just for the sake of it, you're even worse.
I'd love to see Gulftown Mac Pro come with a redesigned case. Make it smaller and perhaps they should think about moving to 2.5" drives seeing as how SSD will be becoming more and more prominent in the next 5 years.
You really only need 1 drive bay for video work because everything big is going to be on external SAN right?
Mac OS users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers. -- Paul Thurrott, winsupersite.com, December 06, 2004
That's hilarious! Add to that the XP and Vista fiascos?
not so. i have a perfectly good mac pro with a high end card. it works great.
Works vs performs are not the same things. Perhaps you should do some benchmarks in OS X and Windows on that Mac Pro to see a difference a well optimized video card driver makes to performance.
If you come on an Apple fansite to constantly provide dissenting opinion at every turn, you're a Windows troll. If you provide dissenting opinion at every turn just for the sake of it, you're even worse.
And that means you have no right to free will? God forbid you actually be able to voice your opinions on ways to make Apple and the platform better. But you're right, when have ideas fromt he community ever made Apple a cent. Not like anyone came up with the idea of putting Apps on the iPhone or anything. Please, grow up. Apple's got a good lineup for certain segments, it can be better.
Works vs performs are not the same things. Perhaps you should do some benchmarks in OS X and Windows on that Mac Pro to see a difference a well optimized video card driver makes to performance.
The stock video card in my Mac Pro works just fine for displaying the text output by compiling a software project in XCode.
The stock video card in the Mac Pro works just fine for most "pro" tasks (software development, graphic design, audio and video editing, 3D rendering, CAD, scientific simulations, etc). And 3D animators tend to require very specialized video cards (re. not consumer level).
So really, the only task which the Mac Pro video card falls short on is gaming -- but then, there are very few gamers in the world who can call themselves pros (i.e. they earn a living from gaming).
It's Apple. Why wouldn't I be? And this is an Apple fansite. My question is, why are Windows trolls camping an Apple fansite? Now THAT would be most amusing if it weren't so sad.
One theory is : they're a paid shill for "somebody" so they can spread fud.
Another theory is: they don't know how to find the elusive M$ fansite.
The more popular theory is: Rather than enjoy the wonder of Apple, they would like to "destroy" the experience for others. pathetic, when you stop to think about it.
The six-core exclusive is as close to an 'official' Apple leak as one can get.
With the iMacs and Minis set to be bumped within days, Apple needed to ensure their higher end consumers didn't move to the lesser models. So voila, news on the next Mac Pro automagically appears.
One theory is : they're a paid shill for "somebody" so they can spread fud.
Another theory is: they don't know how to find the elusive M$ fansite.
The more popular theory is: Rather than enjoy the wonder of Apple, they would like to "destroy" the experience for others. pathetic, when you stop to think about it.
The 'Pro' label has been demoted since the 'introduction' (read: rename) of the macbook pro 13".
That being said, I don't deny that the Mac Pro deserves its name, and is one of the most desirable pieces of hardware. For me, it is the quintessential mac (power, quality and design). I agree that if you run a small/medium business (especially in the graphic design field) you have no excuse for not using a Pro.
Well, $2699 going with the mandatory $200 increase. But look on the bright side, a laptop based dual core all in one with a 8GB ram ceiling (and only if you want to pay another $1000) is good enough because Apple says so. If you're doing anything beyond iLife, you obviously have an unlimited budget and spending under $5000 is just being cheap.
You know what I think the problem is? We all want the very best for the very least. What it comes down to is choices ... you do your research and make the best choice possible, given our budget constraints. What I don't understand is the constant bitching about not being able to get the impossible from Apple. It should be very simple ... if Apple can't satisfy you ... than walk away, but don't buy Apple and then complain you didn't get what you want ... that serves no purpose.
The more popular theory is: Rather than enjoy the wonder of Apple, they would like to "destroy" the experience for others. pathetic, when you stop to think about it.
Do you have your finger poked in your cheek as you write that?
I noticed this also in that teckstud is pretty much all about calling everyone "fanbois," judging them, categorising them, etc. but here he criticises people for doing just that.
IMO (and I've been on a lot of these forums or many years), the minute you call someone a "fanboi" in a post, you should go back and erase it and think of a more concrete criticism. It just shows that you don't have an argument when you resort to such name calling. It's juvenile, meaningless, and reflects more on the person using the term than it does on whomever they are accusing.
It's like saying "I don't actually have an argument, so I'm just going to assume that you are biased."
There are valid, logical reasons for liking or preferring one product over another, or one companies products over another. Just because someone is always or mostly in favour of a product or company doesn't necessarily mean there is any bias involved.
Ending an argument, (or trying to), by saying "oh well, your just a fanboi anyway" is just so childishly dumb (and lame). While most of us use may that term in extreme cases, IMO it's always a mistake. If that's all someone has for an argument, they just don't have one.
I've never used the term "fanboi"- fanbot maybe, but never fanboi- much too elementary.
At least I don't write these long whiney diatribes like you do. Eeeewwwww.
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Please direct us to the last pro-Apple comment you've had. Or for that matter, please point us to the last thread you haven't mentioned:
a) lack of matte screens on iMac's
b) the heat of the ATV and no on/off switch
c) the iPhone not running more than one app at a time
d) the iPhone not running flash
e) how stupid the LP format is
f) some mention of koolaid, fanbois, juice, etc
The list can go on and on.
you forgot the lack of Blu-Ray on macs
Because the average person has been over-supplied with compute resources since before the end of the megahertz races. The vast majority of mini and iMac users wouldn't notice the difference between a dual, quad or hexacore processor.
True. About the only people using Mac Pros are video guys. And of those only a handful are doing anything longer than 1 minute duration pieces. Render time difference between a quad core and an 8 core on a typical 30 second TV spot is a maybe a couple seconds. So a 12 cores maybe will save you 1 or 2 more. People say it is too expensive but they don't need one really. I agree with Quadra, it is just the cost of doing business, the clients pay for it. A Mac Pro can generate several hundred thousand dollars worth of billable deliveries a year if fully utilized. Video guys have as much money invested in attached storage as they do in their computer.
Here's Paul Thurrott Super Site for Windows home page. Good site and normally very good informative writing.
http://www.winsupersite.com/
Sure is!
Mac OS users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers. -- Paul Thurrott, winsupersite.com, December 06, 2004
Of course I'd love to have a prosumer midtower and I believe there is demand but Apple's remaining firm on the distinction between the iMac and the Mac Pro.
I'd love to see Gulftown Mac Pro come with a redesigned case. Make it smaller and perhaps they should think about moving to 2.5" drives seeing as how SSD will be becoming more and more prominent in the next 5 years.
not so. i have a perfectly good mac pro with a high end card. it works great.
Of course it does.
Keep in mind the Windows trolls are out in force this month, and it'll only get worse as we approach the eve of the Windows 7 release. Remember, MS fans (though how you can be a "fan" of MS I'll never understand) ahve had to cope with over 8 years of lousy operating systems. And beyond that, all they had to keep them going was the Xbox franchise.
There's been a lot of suffering going on since then, not to mention an inferiority complex btought on by Apple's relentless anti-MS marketing that has done a superb job in terms of mindhsare, not to mention a steady stream of game-changing products. Apple has been moving from strength to strength since the Intel switch, while MS has witnessed a steady downward spiral with Ballmer at the helm.
You can have a top-end card in you Mac, but the Windows trolls campng this site will still remind you that you don't.
If you come on an Apple fansite to constantly provide dissenting opinion at every turn, you're a Windows troll. If you provide dissenting opinion at every turn just for the sake of it, you're even worse.
We have a winner!
I'd love to see Gulftown Mac Pro come with a redesigned case. Make it smaller and perhaps they should think about moving to 2.5" drives seeing as how SSD will be becoming more and more prominent in the next 5 years.
You really only need 1 drive bay for video work because everything big is going to be on external SAN right?
Sure is!
Mac OS users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers. -- Paul Thurrott, winsupersite.com, December 06, 2004
That's hilarious! Add to that the XP and Vista fiascos?
Priceless.
not so. i have a perfectly good mac pro with a high end card. it works great.
Works vs performs are not the same things. Perhaps you should do some benchmarks in OS X and Windows on that Mac Pro to see a difference a well optimized video card driver makes to performance.
If you come on an Apple fansite to constantly provide dissenting opinion at every turn, you're a Windows troll. If you provide dissenting opinion at every turn just for the sake of it, you're even worse.
And that means you have no right to free will? God forbid you actually be able to voice your opinions on ways to make Apple and the platform better. But you're right, when have ideas fromt he community ever made Apple a cent. Not like anyone came up with the idea of putting Apps on the iPhone or anything. Please, grow up. Apple's got a good lineup for certain segments, it can be better.
so now the mac pro can start at $3000 with a carp video card
You might be "fishing" for the wrong word.
Works vs performs are not the same things. Perhaps you should do some benchmarks in OS X and Windows on that Mac Pro to see a difference a well optimized video card driver makes to performance.
The stock video card in my Mac Pro works just fine for displaying the text output by compiling a software project in XCode.
The stock video card in the Mac Pro works just fine for most "pro" tasks (software development, graphic design, audio and video editing, 3D rendering, CAD, scientific simulations, etc). And 3D animators tend to require very specialized video cards (re. not consumer level).
So really, the only task which the Mac Pro video card falls short on is gaming -- but then, there are very few gamers in the world who can call themselves pros (i.e. they earn a living from gaming).
It's Apple. Why wouldn't I be? And this is an Apple fansite. My question is, why are Windows trolls camping an Apple fansite? Now THAT would be most amusing if it weren't so sad.
One theory is : they're a paid shill for "somebody" so they can spread fud.
Another theory is: they don't know how to find the elusive M$ fansite.
The more popular theory is: Rather than enjoy the wonder of Apple, they would like to "destroy" the experience for others. pathetic, when you stop to think about it.
With the iMacs and Minis set to be bumped within days, Apple needed to ensure their higher end consumers didn't move to the lesser models. So voila, news on the next Mac Pro automagically appears.
And they say Apple hates the Mac rumour mill?
One theory is : they're a paid shill for "somebody" so they can spread fud.
Another theory is: they don't know how to find the elusive M$ fansite.
The more popular theory is: Rather than enjoy the wonder of Apple, they would like to "destroy" the experience for others. pathetic, when you stop to think about it.
The wonder of Apple? Did you really type that?
It's a computer company.
The 'Pro' label has been demoted since the 'introduction' (read: rename) of the macbook pro 13".
That being said, I don't deny that the Mac Pro deserves its name, and is one of the most desirable pieces of hardware. For me, it is the quintessential mac (power, quality and design). I agree that if you run a small/medium business (especially in the graphic design field) you have no excuse for not using a Pro.
Time for a 13" Mac Pro.
Well, $2699 going with the mandatory $200 increase. But look on the bright side, a laptop based dual core all in one with a 8GB ram ceiling (and only if you want to pay another $1000) is good enough because Apple says so. If you're doing anything beyond iLife, you obviously have an unlimited budget and spending under $5000 is just being cheap.
You know what I think the problem is? We all want the very best for the very least. What it comes down to is choices ... you do your research and make the best choice possible, given our budget constraints. What I don't understand is the constant bitching about not being able to get the impossible from Apple. It should be very simple ... if Apple can't satisfy you ... than walk away, but don't buy Apple and then complain you didn't get what you want ... that serves no purpose.
The more popular theory is: Rather than enjoy the wonder of Apple, they would like to "destroy" the experience for others. pathetic, when you stop to think about it.
Do you have your finger poked in your cheek as you write that?
Anyway... back on subject. I'm due an upgrade, but 128 mb of memory? $$$$
It means Apple Mac Pros will no longer be crippled and hold the standard 128GB capacity of typical Intel Server/Workstation boards.
Xeon systems have been ready to run 128GB for several years.
Nicely put!
I noticed this also in that teckstud is pretty much all about calling everyone "fanbois," judging them, categorising them, etc. but here he criticises people for doing just that.
IMO (and I've been on a lot of these forums or many years), the minute you call someone a "fanboi" in a post, you should go back and erase it and think of a more concrete criticism. It just shows that you don't have an argument when you resort to such name calling. It's juvenile, meaningless, and reflects more on the person using the term than it does on whomever they are accusing.
It's like saying "I don't actually have an argument, so I'm just going to assume that you are biased."
There are valid, logical reasons for liking or preferring one product over another, or one companies products over another. Just because someone is always or mostly in favour of a product or company doesn't necessarily mean there is any bias involved.
Ending an argument, (or trying to), by saying "oh well, your just a fanboi anyway" is just so childishly dumb (and lame). While most of us use may that term in extreme cases, IMO it's always a mistake. If that's all someone has for an argument, they just don't have one.
I've never used the term "fanboi"- fanbot maybe, but never fanboi- much too elementary.
At least I don't write these long whiney diatribes like you do. Eeeewwwww.